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    IBIS Mojo build thread

    For those unfamiliar with the company, http://www.ibiscycles.com/

    Long story short, it's a brand new DW-link designed MTB with carbon frame on 5.5" of travel front and rear.

    These should start shipping July 15-30.

    How are you configuring your bike?

    The frame uses an IS headset (no CK!) and a 31.6 seatpost.

    I decided to go full-custom and am still deciding on some of the parts, but I think I almost have a plan of action...

    Currently planning:

    Still a work in progress.

    Currently planning on:
    Fox 32 Talas '07 RLC
    '06 SRAM X.0 trigger
    XTR '06 960/'07 970 crank + integrated BB
    XTR '06 M961/'07 M971 F. Derailleur
    XTR '06 M960/'07 M970 Casette...still considering SRAM.
    '06 SRAM X.0 R. Derailleur, long cage
    FSA Orbit IS Carbon headset
    Thompson Elite X4 oversize stem
    Monkeylite XC carbon oversize 31.8 bars
    ODI ruffian lockon grips
    A Thompson masterpiece post
    WTB Laser V Stealth seat
    SRAM PC-991...probably just the basic version here...
    Lizard Skin chainstay protection
    Nokon red shifter cables
    Kenda 2.35 BG DTC front / Kenda 2.1 Nevagal DTC rear
    Salsa skewers

    Waiting for:
    Juicy Ultimate '07 - nice one piece caliper, adjustment, etc...The Juicy 7's are already avail...I'm torn.
    '07 XTR? I just hate the idea of the '06 proprietary cranks, but they are on closeout and cheap.
    '07 SRAM X.0 ??? Not sure I need to wait on this.

    Already rec'd:
    Industry Nine Enduro Wheels on DT 5.1d's 3 degree, tape
    Frame

    -Mark
    Last edited by mdavis; 08-09-2006 at 05:45 PM.

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    Good thread Mark. I decided to go with the SL kit. I was going to go custom, but the spec really impressed me, as did the complete bike weight. (or maybe I'm just getting lazy!) Anyway, Tom Morgan emailed me the following specs a few months back (one major change is that they will ship with the 07 Fox RP23 and 07' Float!

    Rear Derailleur
    Shimano
    REAR DERAILLEUR, XTR(98N) RD-M952 SGS 9-SPEED DIRECT ATTACHMENT BULK

    Front Derailleur
    Shimano
    FRONT DERAILLEUR, XTR(02) FD-M961 DOWN-SWING DUAL-PULL 34.9MM BAND, CS-ANGLE: 66-69, BULK

    Headset
    FSA
    Orbit IS, ACB w/25mm Custom Cone Spacer Option (H2088D)

    Cranks
    Shimano
    FRONT CHAINWHEEL, XTR(02) FC-M960 TWO PIECE TYPE CRANK, INCLUDE BBPARTS, HOLLOWTECH 175MM 44X32X24T, W/O CG, W/TL-FC16 & FC32, BULK

    Brakes
    Hayes
    HFX 9 Carbon V6 rotor (160mm) Silver w/carbon (Int'l std or post mount)

    Brakes
    Hayes
    HFX 9 Carbon V6 rotor (160mm) Silver w/carbon (Int'l std or post mount)

    Shift Levers
    Shimano
    XT Shifter Pod Left

    Shift Levers
    Shimano
    XT Shifter Pod Right

    Cassette
    Shimano
    CASSETTE SPROCKET, XTR(02) CS-M960 9-SPEED TI/NI-P COATED 11-13-15-17-20-23-26-30-34T(AS), BULK

    Chain
    Shimano
    XT CN-HG93 9 spd

    H/Bar
    Easton
    MonkeyLite XC CNT 26" 660mm Lo UD 31.8

    Stem
    Ibis
    Stem 120mm Ext., 31.8 Bar/28.6 Steerer Clamps 124g 7075, SB BLK ANODIZED W/O Logo

    Seat Post
    Easton
    EC90 Zero CNT 31.6 300mm Weave

    Saddle
    fi'zi:k
    Aliante Gamma Black leather Titanium black

    Grips
    VELO
    PP+FIBER BLACK/GEL BLACK + ALUM CLAMP 130MM

    Wheels
    Easton
    XC1 Wheelset

    Tires
    Hutchinson
    BULLDOG AIR LIGHT-26x2.30/33 FB-Black

    Tires
    Hutchinson
    BULLDOG AIR LIGHT-26x2.30/33 FB-Black

    Tubes
    Maxxis
    Ultralight 26x1.90/2.125 Presta

    Tubes
    Maxxis
    Ultralight 26x1.90/2.125 Presta

    Fork
    Fox
    Float RLC

    Shock
    Fox
    Float RP3 **

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    Here are the specs I rec'd from Tom this week. He said he would update the specs on the website soon as well.

    MTB SL:

    Rear DerailleurShimano REAR DERAILLEUR, XTR(98N) RD-M952 SGS 9-SPEED DIRECT ATTACHMENT BULK
    Front Derailleur ShimanoFRONT DERAILLEUR, XTR(02) FD-M961 DOWN-SWING DUAL-PULL 34.9MM BAND
    Headset FSAOrbit IS, ACB w/25mm Custom Cone Spacer Option (H2088D)
    Cranks ShimanoFRONT CHAINWHEEL, XTR(02) FC-M960 INC. BB PARTS, HOLLOWTECH 175MM 44X32X24T,
    Brakes HayesHFX 9 Carbon V6 rotor (160mm) Silver w/carbon (Int'l std or post mount)
    Brakes HayesHFX 9 Carbon V6 rotor (160mm) Silver w/carbon (Int'l std or post mount)
    Shift LeversShimanoXT Shifter Pod Left
    Shift LeversShimanoXT Shifter Pod Right
    Cassette ShimanoCASSETTE SPROCKET, XTR(02) CS-M960 9-SPEED TI/NI-P COATED 11-13-15-17-20-23-26-30-34T(AS), BULK
    Chain ShimanoXT CN-HG93 9 spd
    H/Bar EastonMonkeyLite XC CNT 26" 660mm Lo UD 31.8StemIbis
    Stem 120mm Ext., 31.8 Bar/28.6 Steerer Clamps 7075, SB BLK ANODIZED W/O Logo
    Seat PostEastonEC90 Zero CNT 31.6 300mm Weave
    Saddle fi'zi:kAliante Gamma Black leather Titanium black
    Grips VELOPP+FIBER BLACK/GEL BLACK + ALUM CLAMP 130MM
    Wheels EastonXC1 Wheelset
    Tires KendaNevegal DTC - 26 x 2.1
    Tires KendaNevegal DTC - 26 x 2.1
    Tubes MaxxisUltralight 26x1.90/2.125Presta
    Tubes MaxxisUltralight 26x1.90/2.125Presta
    Fork FoxFloat RLCShockFoxFloat RP23 **

    MTB SX:

    Rear DerailleurSRAMX-9 Rear derailleur long cage
    Front Derailleur SRAMX-Gen Front derailleur / silver / diam 34.9 / top pull
    Cranks FSANew Afterburner MegaExo, Hollow Forged, Alloy Spider, 68/73mm BB 175mm Length x 104/64mm BCD x 44/32/22
    Headset FSAOrbit IS, ACB w/25mm Custom Cone Spacer Option (H2088D)
    'Brakes HayesHFX 9 V6 rotor (160mm) Black or Grey (Int'l std or Post mount)
    Brakes HayesHFX 9 V6 rotor (160mm) Black or Grey (Int'l std or Post mount)
    Shift Levers SRAMX-9 Trigger shifter front
    Shift Levers SRAMX-9 Trigger shifter 9-speed rear
    Cassette SRAMPG-970 MTB Cassette11-34
    Chain KMC1/2 X 11/128 X 110 LINKS SILVER/GRAY
    H/Bar IbisDH 31.8 AL-7075 T6 42mm Rise, 4 x 9 deg bend, 660 mm wide, SP Ano Blk, w/o Logo, 270g
    Stem Ibis Stem 120mm Ext., 31.8 Bar/28.6 Steerer Clamps 7075, SB BLK ANODIZED W/O Logo
    Seat Post Ibis31.6 x 350 L, 7075 SB BLK ANODIZED w/o Logo
    Saddle fi'zi:kAliante Gamma Black leather Titanium black
    WheelsMavicCROSSRIDE Silver, Pair - Int'l 6-Bolt
    Tires KendaNevegal DTC - 26 x 2.1
    Tires KendaNevegal DTC - 26 x 2.1
    Tubes Maxxis26x2.125Presta
    Tubes Maxxis26x2.125Presta
    GripsVELOPP+FIBER BLACK/GEL BLACK + ALUM CLAMP 130MM
    Fork FoxFloat RLShockFoxFloat RP23 **

    Regards, Mark
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    I'm glad to find this thread. I am interested to see people's builds and impressions when their frames arrive.

    I have a small Mojo coming (hopefully August).

    I like the Ibis SL build but decided I would go custom mainly because I want adjustable travel like the Talas (I do alot of climbing) and don't want an XTR crankset. Also I wasn't sure about the Easton wheelset. It's light, but is it good and can it be converted to tubeless? I don't know. I considered going with the Maverick DUC32 fork, but I contacted Maverick and they say it won't work as it needs a minimum 130mm headtube/headset stack height. So it may work on a large or x-large Mojo.

    I have a question about the FSA Orbit IS headset that is included with complete builds. The headset is readily available but not the 25mm Custom Cone Spacer. Will the Orbit IS work (or maybe Orbit Carbon IS with a 15mm spacer), or is there a unique installation requirement with the Mojo frame?

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    Quote Originally Posted by noshortcuts
    I'm glad to find this thread. I am interested to see people's builds and impressions when their frames arrive.

    I have a small Mojo coming (hopefully August).

    I like the Ibis SL build but decided I would go custom mainly because I want adjustable travel like the Talas (I do alot of climbing) and don't want an XTR crankset. Also I wasn't sure about the Easton wheelset. It's light, but is it good and can it be converted to tubeless? I don't know. I considered going with the Maverick DUC32 fork, but I contacted Maverick and they say it won't work as it needs a minimum 130mm headtube/headset stack height. So it may work on a large or x-large Mojo.

    I have a question about the FSA Orbit IS headset that is included with complete builds. The headset is readily available but not the 25mm Custom Cone Spacer. Will the Orbit IS work (or maybe Orbit Carbon IS with a 15mm spacer), or is there a unique installation requirement with the Mojo frame?
    What is this custom cone spacer? Is it just a top headset cup with a taller lip? So you don't have to use a spacer? My friend's cheapy Diamondback has this kind of headset, and I was planning on using an integrated headset for my Mojo.

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    Another question I have is what size bottom bracket? 68 or 73??

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    Quote Originally Posted by noshortcuts
    Another question I have is what size bottom bracket? 68 or 73??
    I don't know. Guess it never mattered since my bb/crank fits both 68 and 73mm (xt 760) via shell spacers.

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    from Scot

    Frame does not come with a headset.
    One is available for $50
    It will be either the FSA Orbit IS or the Cane Creek HSS0247- IS-2i
    So the Mojo uses the Integrated Standard.
    No special spacer or cup needed. The stock headset will work.
    Scot

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    OK, so it uses the Integrated Standard, but is it Campagnolo or Cane Creek Worldwide

    Maybe it is because I am new to integrated headsets, but Westin's answer from Scot confuses me more.

    Doesn't the designation IS-2i on the Cane Creek model signify the Campagnolo integrated standard http://www.canecreek.com/is-2.html and isn't that standard different than the "Cane Creek IS worldwide standard" used on the Cane Creek IS-2 (without an "i") and on the FSA Orbit IS headset. According to the Park Tool website, the two standards are not interchangable. http://www.parktool.com/repair/readhowto.asp?id=68

    I hope I am missing something here and it is not so complicated to understand the answer Scot gave.

    If the Cane Creek IS worldwide standard is what we want, then we should be able to use Cane Creek Solos IS, IS-2, IS-6, or IS-8..........RIGHT???

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    Howdy Boys: Yes you are right, the Mojo uses the Cane Creek IS Standard. And yes, any of those headsets will work.
    I gave Westin bad part number info on that Cane Creek headset, sorry about that. We were changing some spec and I made a boo boo. The actual part number is Cane Creek HSS0243- IS-2. No "i" at the end.
    Also note that the Ibis Road bike-the Silk Carbon-uses the Campy standard (which does have an "i" at the end.
    Also, to clarify one of the specs that Tom sent to someone above, the "custom cone spacer" we send out with the FSA is not really custom, that's just the word FSA used in their description.

    Thanks for the thread any for paying attention. We're redoing the website right now, and the new launch will have all this spec info, sorry it's not up there yet.

    Oh yes to answer the inevitable question of why we use two different headset standards, the Campy standard on the road bike allows those who want to build the bike up with a full Campy group to do so. And on the mountain bike, the IS headsets are a little more widely available.

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    now for bottom bracket dimensions

    Whew!,

    Finally, headsets on Mojos, clear as a bell. Thanks .


    Still going to need bottom bracket size: 68 or 73mm, 108 or 113mm?

    Scot? Anyone?
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    Talus Upgrade

    Noshortscuts,

    Tom from Ibis writing you. I wanted to note a couple of things for you:

    First, we plan on offering the Talus fork as an upgrade for roughly $100 retail.

    Second, I have been using the Easton wheels personly for a few months and have found them very reliable. It should be noted that I am on the north side of 200 lbs and ride with all the finesse of an elephant. The XC-1 wheels are not tubeless ready, but they should work with a Stan's kit. I haven't tried that yet, so I don't know for sure.

    Finally, the tooling for the small Mojo was the last to be completed - had some problems with the file transfer to the factory, and as a result will be the last size produced. Right now I would say September for the first delivery of the smalls.

    Thanks for supporting the new Ibis. I know that you're going to love Mojo when you get it.

    -Tom[/LIST]
    Quote Originally Posted by noshortcuts
    I'm glad to find this thread. I am interested to see people's builds and impressions when their frames arrive.

    I have a small Mojo coming (hopefully August).

    I like the Ibis SL build but decided I would go custom mainly because I want adjustable travel like the Talas (I do alot of climbing) and don't want an XTR crankset. Also I wasn't sure about the Easton wheelset. It's light, but is it good and can it be converted to tubeless? I don't know. I considered going with the Maverick DUC32 fork, but I contacted Maverick and they say it won't work as it needs a minimum 130mm headtube/headset stack height. So it may work on a large or x-large Mojo.

    I have a question about the FSA Orbit IS headset that is included with complete builds. The headset is readily available but not the 25mm Custom Cone Spacer. Will the Orbit IS work (or maybe Orbit Carbon IS with a 15mm spacer), or is there a unique installation requirement with the Mojo frame?

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    The bb is 68.
    The crank length depends on the crankset, XTR doesn't even spell out a length for us, as the spindle is attached to the arm.
    scot

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    Mojo in the house yet?

    Scott or Tom,
    Have the first batch of Mojos (medium or large) arrived from customs yet? Inquiring minds want to know.

    Thanks

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    They are en route, that's what we know now. Could be any second now, but we're at their mercy...

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    Dear Scoot,

    Quote Originally Posted by Scot Nicol
    They are en route, that's what we know now. Could be any second now, but we're at their mercy...
    Will my new Ibis Ti Alibi Recumbent 29'er be coming with this shipment as well? I paid you my sheckles so long ago...



    Love,
    Quiggly Down Under

    ps: Can't wait to see the new rigs!
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    Guys, let's try to keep this thread on topic. We need a separate thread titled "Where is my Mojo?" :-)

    How are you configuring your IBIS Mojo?

    We've learned the BB is 68mm, the headset is the Cane Creek IS Std, great...

    As you can see from my build, there were a few changes I wanted to make vs. SL:

    1. Talas...which I guess we can now get in a build...
    2. Avid ultimate brakes...
    3. I9 wheels
    4. SRAM trigger + XTR combo
    5. Saddle
    6. Post/Stem/Bar differences

    I'm still torn on Al post/bar vs. Carbon...Also, in the waiting game on the '07 XTR...may have to go with '06.

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    Cool-blue Rhythm REVISED (again) planned build, now complete me thinks

    Rear Derailleur: X.0
    Front Derailleur: FD-M961
    Headset: Cane Creek Solos CHANGE to: Token Carbon Omega C1, 20mm spacer
    Cranks: FSA Pro Team Carbon
    Bottom Bracket: FSA Platinum Pro MegaQuad Ti
    Brakes: Magura Marta SL
    Shift Levers: X.0 gripshift
    Cassette: XTR
    Chain: 991 hollowpin
    Pedals: PD-M540
    H/Bar: CHANGE to: Salsa Pro Moto Carbon Riser Handlebar 31.8
    Stem: Thomson X4
    Seat Post: Thomson setback
    Saddle: Fizik Nisene Ti
    Grips: Ruffian lockon gripshift length
    Wheels: CHANGE to: ZTR 355 with King ISO rear and Hope front and CXray spokes
    Tires: Kenda DTC Karma 2.0 rear and 2.2 front
    Tubes: NOT (Stan's)
    Fork: Pace RC41 Fighter
    Last edited by noshortcuts; 09-13-2006 at 11:02 AM. Reason: Plan has changed a bit

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    noshortcuts-

    1. Why Magura Marta SL vs. Avid Carbon / '07 Ultimate?
    2. Why Race Face Next SL vs. Monkey XC Carbon?
    3. Fizik Nisene vs. WTB Stealth ?
    4. FSA Pro Team Carbon vs. XTR...I assume it's the proprietary nonsense with Shimano? I'm also still considering FSA.
    5. How much weight do you save with the hollowpin? I was told the durability suffers...

    -Mark

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    Mark-

    1. Marta SL because I got a good deal (400) and they are very good and light brakes.
    2. Race Face because the SL is exremely light and strong and feels good.... and because the last Easton I bought was too large on one end. It took weeks of efforts to get Easton to reply as a warranty issue. (the Alpha Q is considered because it can be cut and take barends)
    3. fizik because I have one, it's held up, it's fairly light and it's comfortable for me.
    4. No XTR crank because rings are fairly soft and replacement rings are sooo expensive.... plus I got a new FSA for $190 and it gets good reviews.
    5. I don't know the weight savings on the hollowpin and don't have enough miles on one to have an opinion on durability.

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    I'm going with the Ibis designer SX build at first (with a shorter 80 to 90mm stem). I want to first see how Ibis wants the bike to ride and then swap some parts I have.

    I'll buy a new coil rear shock, probably a PUSH platform-removed Vanilla-R, or DHX 5.0 Coil, or Rocco to compare, and then sell the RP23. I've got lighter high end wheels (Mavix x3.1 UST) with better hubs (Hope Bulbs), and a Nixon Elite coil fork w/ rapid wind down 115 - 145mm travel with firm spring for my ~200+ weight.

    I plan to run coil front and rear unless the bike is just as smooth and very low maintenance with the stock air spring spec (unlikely). Iíve always found that coil is well worth the weight, but I havenít ridden the RP23 or í07 Float-R or Talas forks yet, maybe the choppy suspension feeling from platform and stiction of the í06 Fox air versions is removed now (but I doubt it). All my Tracer's XTR, Raceface, Tompson, Mavic, and Koski parts will fit (except headset, seat collar, and shorter rear coil Vanilla-R shock). Planning on keeping my Tracer with swapped out lesser parts to allow others to test ride my Mojo and still have a top quality bike to ride (and cover down time for any warrantee or repair issues).

    Rear DerailleurSRAMX-9 Rear derailleur long cage
    Front Derailleur SRAMX-Gen Front derailleur / silver / diam 34.9 / top pull
    Cranks FSANew Afterburner MegaExo, Hollow Forged, Alloy Spider, 68/73mm BB 175mm Length x 104/64mm BCD x 44/32/22
    Headset FSAOrbit IS, ACB w/25mm Custom Cone Spacer Option (H2088D)
    'Brakes HayesHFX 9 V6 rotor (160mm) Black or Grey (Int'l std or Post mount)
    Brakes HayesHFX 9 V6 rotor (160mm) Black or Grey (Int'l std or Post mount)
    Shift Levers SRAMX-9 Trigger shifter front
    Shift Levers SRAMX-9 Trigger shifter 9-speed rear
    Cassette SRAMPG-970 MTB Cassette11-34
    Chain KMC1/2 X 11/128 X 110 LINKS SILVER/GRAY
    H/Bar IbisDH 31.8 AL-7075 T6 42mm Rise, 4 x 9 deg bend, 660 mm wide, SP Ano Blk, w/o Logo, 270g
    Stem Ibis Stem 120mm Ext., 31.8 Bar/28.6 Steerer Clamps 7075, SB BLK ANODIZED W/O Logo
    Seat Post Ibis31.6 x 350 L, 7075 SB BLK ANODIZED w/o Logo
    Saddle fi'zi:kAliante Gamma Black leather Titanium black
    WheelsMavicCROSSRIDE Silver, Pair - Int'l 6-Bolt
    Tires KendaNevegal DTC - 26 x 2.1
    Tires KendaNevegal DTC - 26 x 2.1
    Tubes Maxxis26x2.125Presta
    Tubes Maxxis26x2.125Presta
    GripsVELOPP+FIBER BLACK/GEL BLACK + ALUM CLAMP 130MM
    Fork FoxFloat RLShockFoxFloat RP23 **

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    Considering Pace RC41.... 130mm or 150mm?

    There are so many long travel forks to consider for the Mojo, and more coming all the time. Lately I am considering Pace. Pace is now distributing their light and strong forks in the USA.

    The Pace RC41 comes in 130mm / 5.1" Xcam version OR the 150mm / 5.9" Fighter version. Each is near 3.5 lbs.

    For an extra 0.8" of travel the Fighter is 0.6" longer (509mm -v- 524mm).

    I imagine either length would work well with the Mojo's 5.5" rear suspension but am not sure if one would be a better fit. Since I will be on a small frame and 130mm has worked for me in the past, that may be my route.

    Anybody else going 150mm or bigger. Any thoughts on fork length considerations for the Mojo.

    -EDIT-, add:
    After looking closer, I see these forks have lockout but not adjustable travel. Since I do alot of hill work and appreciate adjustable travel, I might better look at the Pace RC40-Xcam. It is coil sprung, adjustabl travel 130 to 100mm, and still a hair under 4lbs.
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    any pics?

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    Medium Mojo
    Fox 32 140mm Talas RLC (3 clicks - love it)
    Fox RP23 rear (very effective)
    Syntace 90 mm 5 deg. stem
    EC50 Riser MonkeyBar
    X-Gen front Derailleur
    X.9 rear w/ long cage
    SRAM 991 rear cassette
    SRAM 991 chain
    Avid Juicy 7s w/ 180 rotors front and back
    Shimano XT Hollowtech w/ Phill Wood rebuild Bottom Bracket
    Race Face Team chain rings (22,32,44)
    Toothfairy chainring Bashguard
    SRAM X-0 trigger shifters
    Mavic CrossMAX XL wheels and hubs
    Kenda 2.35 Blur Groove up front and 2.1 Navegal rear (with tubes)
    Gravity Dropper Seatpost w/ 4"/3"/0" three position drop
    Specialized BG Avatar saddle
    Pedals switch between Time Attak Carbon and Welgo Magnesium Platforms
    Avid Flak Jacket cables (all cables trimmed after this photo).

    With all this heavy equiment, comes in just under 29 bls.

    However, even at this weight, it climbs so much better then my 30 lbs Blur. Much better suspension design. I love the DW-Link. Also go down like a Nomad. I am in love with this bike. Only one ride under my belt so far, but love at first ride.



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    Interesting.

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