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    HD140 actual travel

    I've read in various places on here since the HD-R launch that the HD doesn't actually have 140mm travel, it's more like 130mm, is this true, cos I'll be pretty gutted if it is!

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    I guess if you've been riding it all this time and couldn't tell the difference it isn't a show stopper.

    I convert mine back and forth depending on the trails I'm going to be riding. at 140mm it's more XC'ish lots of climbing etc....
    Never noticed the 10mm of difference (if thats the case) proper setup, pressure and type of shock seem more critical.

    If you want more travel, get a 8.5 x 2.5 shock and some limbo chips.

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    It's a great bike, I've loved it for the 2 years I've had it, but suddenly being told it's actually only got 130mm travel is abit annoying! I'd have thought Ibis would have been honest with its customers, and after the so-called "new" HD-R, I've lost alot of faith in the brand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lawman1991 View Post
    but suddenly being told
    Quote Originally Posted by lawman1991 View Post
    I'd have thought Ibis would have been honest with its customers,

    I guess if they hadn't been honest, you would have never known and ridden it blissfully for several more years.

    See the irony there?

    You could probably get close to 10mm of travel playing with tire pressures.

    ever consider going the 160mm route if you're searching for more travel?

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    Where did you read that?

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    160mm would be overkill on the majority of my trails. My HD is a little small for me in all honesty, started to prefer longer bikes and was looking at replacements. Was looking at a Bronson or maybe even a Solo. I won't be having another Ibis, the HD-R is way too compromised, zero tyre clearance at 650b, short top tube, too steep... Basically with a works headset on a HD-R I'd have pretty much the same bike as I have now with the same problems, hardly an improvement if you ask me. Seriously disappointed and now they potentially sold me and many others bikes that aren't what they tell us... That's not good in anyones book. They've shot themselves in the foot and I hope they can sort it out.

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    I still love mine at 140. It feels bottomless to me off drops @ 130 or 140 or....whatever it is
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    Where did you read it's a 130mm bike and not 140mm?

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    a lot of shocks don't give you the last little bit of travel unless you hit something especially hard. Same with forks. My Marzocchi 55s are 160 and I have only bottomed them twice and that was when that last little bit saved my arse. My marzocchi shock is the same. I get about 50-58mm of stroke in 160mm setting depending on the trail as apposed to the stated 63 and I tend to run my bike a touch soft

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    Rick, pretty sure it was somewhere on here, can't remember where. I've never got the o-ring on the shock close to the end of the shaft, there's a good 10mm left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lawman1991 View Post
    Rick, pretty sure it was somewhere on here, can't remember where. I've never got the o-ring on the shock close to the end of the shaft, there's a good 10mm left.
    That shock at bottom out should come with in 1/4" of end of shaft and not off the shaft. The 140mm shock is a 2.25" with a .25" spacer to reduce travel. This is the way that shock is supposed to work on the 140mm HD. 1/4" from end of shaft is bottomed out on that setup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lawman1991 View Post
    Rick, pretty sure it was somewhere on here, can't remember where. I've never got the o-ring on the shock close to the end of the shaft, there's a good 10mm left.
    This is why you think the HD is a 130mm bike and not a 140mm bike? Really?

    Actually, the HD 140 is a 100mm bike. Really. Trust me.
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    If it's a cm of travel you're worried about, I hardly doubt you would fell that on the trail. Ibis has stated that the HD-R is 130 travel and I have read that being said about the HD-140.

    Just undo the shock from the rear triangle. This will allow you to measure the actual travel if you're concerned.

    I wouldn't worry about 1cm, if you want more travel go to 160.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vespasianus View Post
    This is why you think the HD is a 130mm bike and not a 140mm bike? Really?

    Actually, the HD 140 is a 100mm bike. Really. Trust me.
    Sorry, I read it in several places and this led to some confusion. No need to try and be smart about it. I'm going to be selling the bike soon as it's too small, so wanted to clear this up so I know for sure. No I haven't noticed the difference on the trail, its a good bike, just abit small and I want something a little different.

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    I believe this is what you are looking for. Can't blame the OP if he's a little unhappy.

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    Using the fact that the Average Leverage Ratio does not change a huge amount on the HD when the shock stroke is shortened, given all other parameters (linkage, pivot placement, etc.) stay the same.

    Based on the curve i'd seen for the HD, the leverage ratio change from 51mm to 63mm of shock stroke is relatively small. Will using the ALR based on 160mm of travel to determine the change in wheel travel with a 51mm stroke shock be mm perfect? No. Will be very close? Yes. Using those numbers and curve we'd be seeing 131-132mm of vertical and actual wheel travel which i believe is what hans stated previously.

    I'm still not sure what hans means in that post when he says "We had incorrectly assumed it would be the same as the SL and SLR, but not exactly due to changing the part of the wheel travel that we were using.".
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    Thanks for the help guys. As I say I've honestly never noticed it, but it gives me a better idea of what I've been riding the past 2 years and where to go from here Also means I won't con whoever buys into thinking its a 140mm frame, can't believe Ibis didn't actually measure the travel before releasing the frame though. Could almost call it, and imo the "new" HD-r as well lazy. Lost of respect for Ibis recently thats for sure

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    Quote Originally Posted by literally View Post
    Using the fact that the Average Leverage Ratio does not change when the shock stroke is shortened, given all other parameters (linkage, pivot placement, etc.) stay the same.
    You are starting with a wrong assumption, the rest of your calculations is therefore of not much practical use. The leverage ratio changes with the wheel travel, quite a bit. BicycleHeads: Ibis Mojo HD - suspension kinematics

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    Quote Originally Posted by StiHacka View Post
    You are starting with a wrong assumption, the rest of your calculations is therefore of not much practical use. The leverage ratio changes with the wheel travel, quite a bit. BicycleHeads: Ibis Mojo HD - suspension kinematics
    You are correct and i accidentally a few words...I'll correct my previous post and try to get it a bit more accurate for this audience.

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    Well at least all the people concerned about the HD-R being 130mm can rest assured that people have been riding the HD-140 at 130 for many years and have been quite happy.

    I still would let most of the air out of the shock, bottom it, and measure to verify.

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    Miss selling of goods IMHO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick Draper View Post
    Miss selling of goods IMHO.
    That may be, but to the OP I would suggest that you stop impugning people's integrity. How does an honest oversight, and an honest public explanation and correction of that make them dishonest?

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    I wonder if there would be grounds to return a frame on the basis that it is actually not what it was sold as? Either that or get a 160mm shock and chips for free? Unless of course the 160mm bike is actually a 150mm bike??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick Draper View Post
    I wonder if there would be grounds to return a frame on the basis that it is actually not what it was sold as? Either that or get a 160mm shock and chips for free? Unless of course the 160mm bike is actually a 150mm bike??
    Comical, they should give you money too for all your suffering, might as well throw in 40 virgins.

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    This is laughable. If Ibis hadn't said anything everyone would still be saying it is the best bike ever! Now everyone wants a refund. Using this logic I think a lot of the wives of members here would want a divorce too!

    Ever hear the joke about why women are so bad at math?

    Because every man has told them that this I<----------------------------------------------------------------------------->I is 8"!

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    Re: HD140 actual travel

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    might as well throw in 40 virgins.
    bugger that, give me two fire breathing whores, they'll be a lot more fun.
    always mad and usually drunk......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salespunk View Post
    This is laughable. If Ibis hadn't said anything everyone would still be saying it is the best bike ever! Now everyone wants a refund. Using this logic I think a lot of the wives of members here would want a divorce too!

    Ever hear the joke about why women are so bad at math?

    Because every man has told them that this I<----------------------------------------------------------------------------->I is 8"!
    I'm not doubting its a great bike. It's by far the best bike I've ever owned, plain and simple. I'm just disappointed that Ibis didn't do their research until recently, by which time they'd been selling a frame with false info for over 2 years. Yes the bike is very good, no I honestly haven't noticed it's only 130mm rather than 140mm (frankly, who the fark could, clearly Ibis didn't!!!), and no I don't want a refund, I've had nearly 3 years solid use out of a good bike, I just wanted to make sure I knew the correct info before I sell it on in the near future.

    More than anything I'm really disappointed with Ibis. I know they're a small company, but just chucking a shock on a bike and expecting it to work is abit wrong imo. There also appears to be alot of people disappointed the HD-r is just a rehashed HD that as far as I can see, is about 1/3 of lb lighter and thats about it. Forgive me for sounding negative, but they've lost my respect, and I dare say that of many others too. Along with a few small issues I have with the HD, which I won't go into, means my next bike won't be an Ibis for sure.

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    Been a small company it's even more important to check things over before selling things.

    Now all HD140 owners have is basically a overweight for the category 130mm bike. Pretty shit really.

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    All I've seen is Hans saying it turned out the HD140 was closer to 130. For the sake of argument it could be 134.9mm, making all the statements about it being only 130mm only slightly less incorrect than Ibis's labeling. Does it ride differently now that the it's "only" an HD130+?

    I'm only partially into the Ibis fold so far, waiting for my HD-R to ship, but I did a ton of research to figure out the best way to spend my money and never did I see any complaints about the HD140 needing just a few mm more travel.

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    Of course the 140 version was requested by a inbetween group of people who wanted a slightly shorter travel or more XC type Ibis HD that was tougher than most of us weekend warriors. Having inbetween trails here, with a little of everything,I believe my 140 was right on the money for what I was looking for. A damn sexy frame that could take more abuse than my lightweight XC frame. If I wanted a SL I would have gotten one.

    "Now all HD140 owners have is basically a overweight for the category 130mm bike."

    hmmmm....no not true
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    this is the most retarded thread, I'm amazed at the number of people who were previously happy with their bike, then once they find out something that doesn't change anything about how the bike rides or handles are suddenly upset. Get over it. Ibis is a top notch company who make stellar bikes.

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    Fuktarded thread

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    Quote Originally Posted by nzl62 View Post
    Fuktarded thread
    It sure is. He says something like "it's the best bike I have ever owned" and " I have lost faith in the brand" and " I have never really noticed". I am not sure why he feels so burned.

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    HD140 actual travel

    Quote Originally Posted by nzl62 View Post
    Fuktarded thread
    Truly. Possibly one of the greats, if it has legs.

    I'm not sure how you get from "the best bike I've ever ridden" to losing faith in the brand... When that very brand had the decency to communicate to their customers. Ibis doesn't have to say shite, let alone answer questions on public forums. Would it have been better if they said nothing?!
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    Well I sure as hell didn't feel it only had 130mm of travel that said semantics who gives a rats!

    I will say this guys don't bother with 140mode, Im sure those wanting 140mode wont listen!

    But 160 mode with a real shock slays the 140mm mode so bad its laughable, if you want to be pissed, be pissed you are riding it in 140/130 what ever, 160 is quicker everywhere.

    For mine ( an Aussie term) 140mode chokes the bike, the shock feels choked, but you don't know this until you release its potential, 160mm chips and a real shock!

    Simple go 160mm or go home, sell that POS Fox on ebay, just the wrong shock for this bike, not a bad shock but not a good shock on the HD.

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    For the life of me I don't know why Ibis don't partner with XFusion, probably because everyone is sucked in by marketing and think big name brand must be best, you should have seen the heckling I got when my XF swapped out my Kashima Fox, one ride wiped that out, muppets don't know better! They buy into the marketing!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maverick005 View Post
    Well I sure as hell didn't feel it only had 130mm of travel that said semantics who gives a rats!

    I will say this guys don't bother with 140mode, Im sure those wanting 140mode wont listen!

    But 160 mode with a real shock slays the 140mm mode so bad its laughable, if you want to be pissed, be pissed you are riding it in 140/130 what ever, 160 is quicker everywhere.

    For mine ( an Aussie term) 140mode chokes the bike, the shock feels choked, but you don't know this until you release its potential, 160mm chips and a real shock!

    Simple go 160mm or go home, sell that POS Fox on ebay, just the wrong shock for this bike, not a bad shock but not a good shock on the HD.

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    For the life of me I don't know why Ibis don't partner with XFusion, probably because everyone is sucked in by marketing and think big name brand must be best, you should have seen the heckling I got when my XF swapped out my Kashima Fox, one ride wiped that out, muppets don't know better! They buy into the marketing!


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    Quote Originally Posted by nzl62 View Post
    Fuktarded thread
    The most useful post of this entire thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabrielus View Post
    Let us know when you win the next World Championship Mav!!!
    You sound like an expert to me. The thread that keeps on giving!
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