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    Hakkalügi Disc, my best bike ever

    I''m finally finished building my new one_bike_to replace_them_all_bike. Pictures is worth a thousand words: Ibis Hakkalügi Disc - a set on Flickr
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    Beautiful! This is the best looking CX bike ever made easily

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    Smokin' hot. I love my OG Hakka. Rides like a dream, so versatile.

    Sold my road bike mostly because I was doing so much road work on the Hakka.
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    Very sweet

    Want.

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    Yes, want.

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    I have been riding the crap out of mine and have been loving it! It just eats up dirt roads and smooth single track.

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    Been wanting one of those for years. Beautiful bike.

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    Thanks for sharing, it's an awesome bike. I've been thinking of replacing my road bike with one and now I am convinced.
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    Hakkalügi Disc, my best bike ever

    I like everything about those except that the bb86 limits you to road crank setups. Very sweet looking build though!

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    Hakkalügi Disc, my best bike ever

    Beautiful. Even if I never really understood the appeal of CX.


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    Disc brake recall

    I see you don't have Shimano brakes but if you do they have been recalled.

    Shimano announces voluntary disc caliper recall - VeloNews.com

    My shop is in the middle of swapping them out for a new set.

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    loving mine too, replaced my road bike with it, running it with 28c road tires currently...9/10mm thru axles and x9/force components make for a bomb proof ride at around 16.5 lbs

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    Is the thru-axle new for 2014? I got my Lugi disc in 2013 and it has standard quick releases. Also what's up with your seat?

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    that seat has to be a troll post.

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    haha, never noticed my seat was like that till i took the photos, though its been comfortable....need to check that out today
    the thru axles are just 9mm/10mm, fits standard dropouts
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    @mitch66 this is an amazing build - congrats. I am planning a similar build myself, and am looking at the rear tire clearance in one of your pics. Can I ask what size tire this is - would like to be able to fit a 700x35 studded tire for some winter fun.

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    I have put 700x37 on mine successfully.
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    Dirt Loving Hakkalugi

    Loving my Lugi Disc and thought I should share some pics. I have been riding some of my local mtb trails and have been loving it. Climbing is great, crushing some Strava KOMs, it is like cheating. Ok, it is cheating Disc brakes make a world of difference for me on the trail.
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    Hans- 37mm measured? On what rims?

    My only gripe with my Lugi disc is the lack of rear tire clearance due to the asymmetrical chain stay yolk, a real oversight by the Ibis engineers/designers IMO. By choosing to run a road width bb I assume the shell is too narrow to bulge at the tread location. But IMO it's the only negative with the bike. (Not Ibis bashing...I've owned a Mojo Sl and back in the day a Mojo ?? with the moron tubing- I'm a fan.). This bike truly would be a "quiver killer" if you could run up to a 1.8's on the rear. I've tried Ritchey's WCS Shield 35 on the stock Iron Cross rims that Ibis ships this with and it rubs the side of the chain-stay yolk. The Spesh Terra 33's don't have enough volume for the rougher gravel and trails I ride (weak sidewalls for gravel also) and I'm unwilling to spend the $$ running the experiment on what fits. Hans- what 37 widths are you running and on what rims?
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    I am running a Michelin Mud 2 tubeless on a Stans Crest 29er rim. Though the Mud 2 sidewall says 700x30, they always measure much bigger. On the wider Crest rim, mine measure 36.5 mm wide. I have enough clearance and don't rub anywhere. I probably have about 3mm clearance on each side down by the BB. I will post some pictures later.

    Check to make sure the rear wheel is in dish. I know it's a factory built wheel and it should be dished properly, but crazier things have happened. If you have a different rim you can try that tire on to make sure it fits, that may be an option to determine if the rim is out of dish. Also, you can put a caliper on the tire when it's inflated. Even though it says 35mm on the sidewall, it may actually measure bigger which may be the reason for the rubbing.

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    Thanks- The rim width obviously has an effect on tire width and most cross tires are larger than the stated width when run on wider mtb rims. I posted a request on this forum (or RBR can't remember) for Lugi disc owners to chime in with tire/rim combos that fit but no response. The real issue is that the bike is simply not designed for anything over (actual width- not stated) 38mm. If you look at the chain stay yolk you'll see it's not a symmetrical U shape. On the drive side (non drive side- can't remember) the arc is flatter reducing the width. I checked 2 others and it's the same, so it's not a mistake in the carbon layup on mine. I did some investigating when trying to run a larger rear tire on the Iron Cross rims. The wheel is correctly dished. However one of the two small screws for the derailleur hanger was not flush. The screw holes were not properly chased and the paint prevented the screw from countersinking so the wheel sat slightly askew. When fixed the problem remains that there is less clearance on the non drive side. I understand that this bike was designed as a race bike, but as I stated I think it was a mistake by the Ibis engineers/designer to limit the clearance to 38mm actual width tread. I know a new rear triangle is in the works to accommodate Shimano 11. If they increase the max tire width I'm going to be bummed! On the Michelin Muds- have you run them on a lot of gravel? How are the sidewalls for toughness?
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    Actually, I guess the Mud 2s measure about 37 mm wide (maybe 36.5 on a different part of the tire). I ride mine on gravel. I've done Gravel Worlds a couple times with them. It depends on what kind of gravel you have. Here we have mostly pea gravel but also have sections of chunky white rock that can be pretty rough. I've never had any sidewall issues with these tires. It probably depends on the type of gravel you have in your area though. I wouldn't run these at Dirty Kanzaa with all the flint on those roads, for instance.

    I've attached a couple pics for your reference. It's hard to tell the bottom clearance on the chainstay yoke, but it's about 3mm on both the drive and non-drive sides.

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    Thanks for the info and pics. I'll check the tire width tonight. The gravel roads in western NC are mainly sharp granite, 1" +with some large 3" +- diameter chucks thrown in for good measure. At speed I've had these puncture the sidewalls. Some Stan's and glitter got me back to the car but I'd love to find a tougher sidewall in a tubeless ready tire. My rides are often a mix of single track with hardback, thin mud and roots and gravel roads.

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    Hi Yerma,

    A few more pics in the daylight where you can get a better feel for the drive side clearance I have with a 37mm tire.

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    The Hakkalugi disc is a great bike, but I have a couple suggestions that I think would make it even better in its next iteration...

    The lower rear brake cable guide on the seat could be more centrally located on the seat stay. I know SRAM et al hadn't come out with their hydro brakes yet, but they put the hydro line towards the mid-line of the bike, rather than the outside. This causes a significant bend in the line if you want to use that guide. I noticed Mitch66 on the top of this thread just bypassed the lower guide.

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    The top tube could use another brake cable guide in the middle of the two that are already there. When riding over rough, I was getting some cable noise. I got a Jagwire stick on cable guide and installed that in the middle. All quiet now!

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    The small allen bolt that ties down the cables on the seatstay wishbone has pretty fine threads. Mine started to strip out the first time I secured my cables (and I barely snugged it down at all). When I installed hydro brakes and had to remove and re-tighten this bolt it was finished. I tapped mine out to the next larger size (M6 x 0.8 I think) and used a water bottle bolt. It is much more robust now.

    Other than that, great rig. I love the ride, handling, and fit of the bike.

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    I think if you could fit a 40mm Clement X'Plor MSO and or the new Surly Knard 41mm on it they probably couldn't make 'em fast enough. There is a lot of interest in light and fast in the long format gravel racing scene in the midwest right now.
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    Tire clearance

    telechnow- that's interesting. The Ritchey measures 38 at the widest and it rubs the non drive side stay. Ibis says max width is 38, yet it sure looks like you have more than .5mm clearance on each side. I'm not familiar with the alpha rim- I wonder if it is shallower than the iron Cross, and if the Muds are shorter also. That would effectively move the tread away from the narrow part of the yoke. Here are a few photos. Again- I had a local shop test for dish and it was spot on. Might reach out to Ibis on this. Look at the photos. Parellax is tough to keep the same but I braced the camera at the same spot on either side of the seat tube so it's pretty close for the second set of images. These are the Spesh Terra 33's and they measure 34mm at the widest.
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    A few more showing tire clearance

    You can see there is about a 3-4 mm difference, closer to the non drive side.
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    Quote Originally Posted by No_Roads View Post
    I think if you could fit a 40mm Clement X'Plor MSO and or the new Surly Knard 41mm on it they probably couldn't make 'em fast enough. There is a lot of interest in light and fast in the long format gravel racing scene in the midwest right now.
    +1.

    The X'Plor MSO, Knard, or Bruce Gordon Rock n' Road with this bike would be killer for gravel grinding or mixed surface exploring. Most other bikes that fit these tires have turdly touring tubing so feel piggish when unloaded. A bike with these tires that could be built up at well under 20 lbs would be amazing. And of course, extra clearance does not make it any slower for those that want to run 35s and actually race CX.

    While you are at it, use a BB standard that gives users better flexibility. Threaded BB would be the best, but even a BB30, as much as I dislike them, would at least give users the option of using either a road or MTB crank.

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    I am looking to buy me a cx bike to and this bike is high on my wishlist. I am 6.2 (1,89 metres), long legs normal upperbody and arm length for my size.. I have only MTB experience for almost 20 years.
    I am leaning towards the 58 cm because i do not like to be stretched out on a bike and the 61 looks so big. I am wondering if 57 CM top tube is not to short. What size should i go? I have no option to testride.

    Thank you for your input.

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    At your height, I would go with the 58cm. I am 6'4" (1.95 meters) and the 61cm fits me fine, but a couple inches shorter I would have to go with the 58cm. That is especially true if you don't want to be stretched out.

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    I'm about 1/2 inch taller than you and went with the 58 and a 110mm stem. Pretty upright, but I'm looking to ride it 6+ hours and 100+ miles.

    Quote Originally Posted by fatboy66 View Post
    I am looking to buy me a cx bike to and this bike is high on my wishlist. I am 6.2 (1,89 metres), long legs normal upperbody and arm length for my size.. I have only MTB experience for almost 20 years.
    I am leaning towards the 58 cm because i do not like to be stretched out on a bike and the 61 looks so big. I am wondering if 57 CM top tube is not to short. What size should i go? I have no option to testride.

    Thank you for your input.
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    Thank you for your reply tlechnow and no roads.
    Is a 100 to 110 mm common in cx? I know that in mtb the trend is for longer TT and shorter stems (50 to 70 mm.

    Sorry BTW to interrupt this thread.

    Thanks.

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    From what I've seen, most people in the 58-61cm range are running between 100-120mm stems on their cx bikes, depending on frame geometry and body dimensions. I run a 120mm stem on my 61cm Hakkalugi disc and it feels great. It is just slightly shorter a bit more upright than my road bike. I race cross, ride gravel, and ride on the road with it. Even a little light trail duty from time to time. Typically you only short stems on very small cx bikes.

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    I have my eye on a Lugi disc long term. A buddy is building me a steel SS with [really] similar numbers but a muuuuuuuuuuuuuch longer head tube [212 vs the Lugi 135]. I guess I can run a flipped stem on the Lugi if/when I get one. Awesome frame!
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    My Hakkalugi I built up last night. It's a size 55 with custom internal Shimano Ultegra 6770 Di2 and Mavic Crossmax SLR's. Coming in at 18.5 lbs, but hoping to pull off a bit more weight running the tires tubeless and swapping the seatpost/saddle.-hakk.jpg

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    Nice, can you provide some more details/pics on the internal di2? Seems like I remember calfee or someone able to mod frames to get a clean internal setup. Hydro di2 is something I plan to upgrade to down the road.

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    Here's how it turned out. The only thing I would have done differently is putting the upper hole for the front junction further back. Where I drilled mine it tends to pull the grommet out due to the heat shrink. I might just end up trimming the heat shrink back a bit or removing it all together.

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    awesome thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptCrunch View Post
    Here's how it turned out. The only thing I would have done differently is putting the upper hole for the front junction further back. Where I drilled mine it tends to pull the grommet out due to the heat shrink. I might just end up trimming the heat shrink back a bit or removing it all together.
    Very slick! Where do you get those stick-on cable housing guides?

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    It's the Shimano Di2 External Wire Cover kit. Usually it's around $10 and includes a number of pieces - probably ~20in all together. I also used it on the entire length of the chainstay for the rear derailleur wire.

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    Hans,
    Any plans for di2 routing in the near term?

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    Here's my new Hakkalugi Disc. Ultegra 6800 build. Road tires despite the snowpocalypse going on in the background

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    Whats the fattest tire people are fitting in the rear? Thinking about trying some Clement XPlor MSO 40c's out...they seem to measure in the 39-40 range. I know that 38 is the recommended max, but the MSO's arent really very knobby.

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    This is a Kenda Happy Medium 35mm. Its measuring 36.8mm on a 23mm rim with a tube. That little gap between the chain stay and the tire at the closest point is about 4.4mm. I don't think you're getting much more than 38mm.

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    Lovely looking bikes guys.

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    Re: Hakkalügi Disc, my best bike ever

    Quote Originally Posted by No_Roads View Post
    This is a Kenda Happy Medium 35mm. Its measuring 36.8mm on a 23mm rim with a tube. That little gap between the chain stay and the tire at the closest point is about 4.4mm. I don't think you're getting much more than 38mm.

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    As an update to this I mounted up some 40mm MSO's on it front and rear. After a day sitting at 50psi the rear measured 40.11 on 23mm rims. Fit was OK--probably about 1.5mm maybe 2 of chain stay clearance. Anyway it was a rainy and muddy gravel/trail ride today and it worked out fine. Never felt or heard a rub.
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    Hakkalügi Disc, my best bike ever

    Quote Originally Posted by No_Roads View Post
    As an update to this I mounted up some 40mm MSO's on it front and rear. After a day sitting at 50psi the rear measured 40.11 on 23mm rims. Fit was OK--probably about 1.5mm maybe 2 of chain stay clearance. Anyway it was a rainy and muddy gravel/trail ride today and it worked out fine. Never felt or heard a rub.
    That's a shame--not sure what is gained by building a bike with clearance that tight, but I know what is lost.

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    I like these bikes. I'd like to have one with some road tires on it.

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    Some with experience with "wide" tires on their Hakka?
    I'm realy close to by a set of Clement X'plor MSO 40mm, but fear they will rubb on the chain stays.

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    CONFIRMED: Clement MSO 40mm, on a Stan's Iron cross rim (20mm internal width) will rub the chainstays. A 15mm internal width rim, with a perfectly true wheel might seduce you into believing it will fit, but you're going to rub paint and carbon at some point...

    So>> enter the new MSO 36mm tubeless version. Fits tight but OK, plumped-up tubeless awesome ride, problem solved & the Hakka rocks.

    Anyone need some MSO 40's cheap?

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