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    Fox RP23 tuning.......

    Guys,

    I've been getting to grips with my "Mojo'Dale", and have some questions about the RP23.

    As it stands I have absolutely no need for Propedal, and the shock does seem quite harsh on descents compared to the Fox RPL on my Carbon Rush 110. I'm not prepared to spend £400 on the DT Swiss XR carbon, just to save 90g (or whatever) and have a more comfortable ride. Should I get my RP23 tuned, so that I can actually use the Propedal ??

    Over here in the UK there is a highly thought mag called mbr (mountain bike rider). Last month they did a test on 4 air shocks, by testing on the same bike (an Orange 5). The shocks we're all interested in are the Fox RP23 and the DT Swiss EX200 (non carbon version of the XR). Below are the 2 pages........

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    The conclusions to the test was that the Compression damping was too light on the EX200, and overly firm on the RP23. They preferred the progression of the damping on the RP23 but would happily have the weight-saving of the EX200 (about 35g), and said it gave a far more comfortable ride than the RP23...........

    I noticed that the Compression tune on the test RP23 was "Maximum", as it is on my '08 one (The Compression & Rebound "tunes" are marked on the "cans" for the '08 model). In the article above they say to have the RP23 tuned to a "Light compression tune", so as to stop the harshness of the shock on descents, and to be actually be able to use the Propedal settings to fine-tune the Compression damping.

    Before I get on ther 'phone to Mojo suspension (the UK Fox tuners), I thought I'd ask for your useful comments ?? Do you think this would substantially improve the ride & ability to fine-tune the Compression damping. Will I notice any difference ? I mean why do Ibis spec RP23s with a Maximum Compression tune, if a Light tune is so much better.....

    Any useful suggestions appreciated.

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    My opinion

    In my opinion, the RP23's maximum compression tune is unsuitable to the Mojo.

    I feel that the "max compression" damper is too slow to allow the Mojo to react to high-piston-speed (or "square edged", referring to piston velocity v. time) hits.

    I had mine re-tuned by Push industries here in the US.

    The bike is much more ride-able now.

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    You probably have the High compression setting on the rp23. I swapped mine with Ibis for the Med. compression setting. Since you're in the UK, this may be a little more of a hassle but Ibis will do it for free.

    Actually, I just re-read your post....at 155 lbs, you should definitely get the Med. compression setting. There is a Low of course but I have never heard/seen anyone with that version of the rp23.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ddraewwg
    You probably have the High compression setting on the rp23. I swapped mine with Ibis for the Med. compression setting. Since you're in the UK, this may be a little more of a hassle but Ibis will do it for free.

    Actually, I just re-read your post....at 155 lbs, you should definitely get the Med. compression setting. There is a Low of course but I have never heard/seen anyone with that version of the rp23.

    All of Titus's bikes come with the low version. Do dw linked bikes need lots of compression dampening?

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    Quote Originally Posted by anand
    All of Titus's bikes come with the low version. Do dw linked bikes need lots of compression dampening?
    The HIGH was spec'd as "normal"....gotta be what Ibis and DW decided would be the "best" alternative. However, riders are all different so preferences will vary of course. DW did say that the Mojo was matched specifically to the rp23.

    Any Ibis owner that is worried about their setting should just call Ibis and swap the shock for their choice.....that's what I did.

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    Give TF Tuned a call and have a chat with them. They're always pretty helpful and should be able to help.

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    I have the medium dampening shock and weight 150 lbs. the shock needs a bit less of high speed
    dampening. did the fork mod posted a few months back and it is real nice. only
    took off 6mm of the compression rod and used 5 wt synthetic fork oil.
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    Thanks everyone. I'll get it done down to Medium.

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    sorry for late reply, but....

    Hi All,
    I have same issue w/ overly high comp damping on an RP23 (also high setting). I live in Australia and I don't think there is anyone who does tuning on these shocks here; is it something that can be done "at home"? I have custom valved my '08 marz fork, so not a total numbskull. Love to hear your suggestions, and also ride reports on post-tuning shocks. Cheers, Steve

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stevo the Devo
    Hi All,
    I have same issue w/ overly high comp damping on an RP23 (also high setting). I live in Australia and I don't think there is anyone who does tuning on these shocks here; is it something that can be done "at home"? I have custom valved my '08 marz fork, so not a total numbskull. Love to hear your suggestions, and also ride reports on post-tuning shocks. Cheers, Steve
    The "high" compression setting is a factory setting that can not be adjusted. You have to swap it to a "med" one. I would imagine that there is something internal that can be done to change it but I wouldn't try it.

    Contact Ibis.

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    eep!
    I ordered my Mojo last weekend and am waiting for my LBS to receive it/build it up... I'm a mere 135/140 lbs and am concerned I need the medium or even low RP23... I'm sure the lbs realized how scrawny I am but nothing was ever said about getting the right shock for my weight. I just assumed all RP23's were the same and I could adjust it to suit my needs. Obviously that's the first thing I'll try but it sounds like I may need to swap mine as well.... damnit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by okay_player
    eep!
    I ordered my Mojo last weekend and am waiting for my LBS to receive it/build it up... I'm a mere 135/140 lbs and am concerned I need the medium or even low RP23... I'm sure the lbs realized how scrawny I am but nothing was ever said about getting the right shock for my weight. I just assumed all RP23's were the same and I could adjust it to suit my needs. Obviously that's the first thing I'll try but it sounds like I may need to swap mine as well.... damnit.
    You may get it with the Med compression already. I have never heard of anyone using the low setting. You might want to call Ibis and get their opinion though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stevo the Devo
    Hi All,
    I have same issue w/ overly high comp damping on an RP23 (also high setting). I live in Australia and I don't think there is anyone who does tuning on these shocks here; is it something that can be done "at home"? I have custom valved my '08 marz fork, so not a total numbskull. Love to hear your suggestions, and also ride reports on post-tuning shocks. Cheers, Steve
    Dirtworks will alter it for you for $100 I believe. Give them a call to see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stevo the Devo
    Hi All,
    I have same issue w/ overly high comp damping on an RP23 (also high setting). I live in Australia and I don't think there is anyone who does tuning on these shocks here; is it something that can be done "at home"? I have custom valved my '08 marz fork, so not a total numbskull. Love to hear your suggestions, and also ride reports on post-tuning shocks. Cheers, Steve
    I am based in New Zealand, and approached Push in the US about tuning my RP23. They won't do it for any non-residents, but they did say that they were very close to announcing an Australian Push agency. This was a month ago, and I haven't heard anything since.
    Still pretty keen to get the shock worked...

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    Quote Originally Posted by slysi
    I am based in New Zealand, and approached Push in the US about tuning my RP23. They won't do it for any non-residents, but they did say that they were very close to announcing an Australian Push agency. This was a month ago, and I haven't heard anything since.
    Still pretty keen to get the shock worked...
    Let us know when you hear about an Australian Push agency - I'd certainly be interested in tuning my RP23.

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    Here's something I don't think many people realize. The rebound adjustment definitely affects the compression. When I dial up the rebound, the compression also adjusts upward. With rebound all the way up, even in the 1 position, I'm too light for this medium shock. I'm riding the bike with rebound at the first or second notch, all the time except when flying and not wanting to nose dive off a mogul. In 3, it's like a hardtail. 3 with rebound set all the way up really is too much compression for someone my weight (135 pounds).

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    I don't know what all of this talk about high and medium compression is all about. For an RP23 on a Mojo, there is no reason to be running ANYTHING other than a low compression tune for the RP23. If you are on a medium or high compression shock then you are missing out on traction that you could have. Of course, its still going to be as good as any other bike running the medium and high tune, but don't you want to feel what its like to ride it as good as it can get?
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    Thanks! It's really nice to have you guys watching this forum.

    I'll be changing out my medium. With glee!

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    Quote Originally Posted by _dw
    I don't know what all of this talk about high and medium compression is all about. For an RP23 on a Mojo, there is no reason to be running ANYTHING other than a low compression tune for the RP23. If you are on a medium or high compression shock then you are missing out on traction that you could have. Of course, its still going to be as good as any other bike running the medium and high tune, but don't you want to feel what its like to ride it as good as it can get?
    I think that is the very first time I have heard someone say that it should be "low". Most bikes were spec'd with "high" and it was recommended that maybe "med" was better for lighter riders (~150ish). Of course, the recommendation didn't come from either Ibis specifically, but this is very curious because I'm pretty sure that you're the only person ever to recommend "low" and coming from the person who designed the suspension, I'm sure this will rattle a few cages. It definitely makes me think about swapping it out ASAP.

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    hmmmmm...so low is best. Good to know. I always thought low compression RP23 made more technical sense with DW Link and was always puzzled why Mojos ship with "high". I did switch to a medium compression when Hans offered. The biggest noticeable difference it made was using all the travel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by _dw
    I don't know what all of this talk about high and medium compression is all about. For an RP23 on a Mojo, there is no reason to be running ANYTHING other than a low compression tune for the RP23. If you are on a medium or high compression shock then you are missing out on traction that you could have. Of course, its still going to be as good as any other bike running the medium and high tune, but don't you want to feel what its like to ride it as good as it can get?
    Unfortunately this is what came with the bike. If this is the case, then either Ibis or Fox dropped the ball. Mine was a medium. Perhaps the 09 RP23 will be a better shock for the Mojo, as it is rumored to be improved and works better on the Mojo. I had some problems with mine, that a high volume sleeve and more air pressure, made it suitable for me(heavier rider).
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    Hmmmm...

    There does not seem to be a low compression RP23. I searched and called Fox and Ibis.

    Supposedly there might be one in 2009.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gregg K
    Hmmmm...

    There does not seem to be a low compression RP23. I searched and called Fox and Ibis.

    Supposedly there might be one in 2009.

    That is weird since the markings on the RP23 would imply that there is/should be a "low". Leave it up to FOX to make a "fictional" product

    In reality...I guess we have "low"....as compared to the only other option, "high". I guess for '09, there should be new markings: High, Low, and "New for '09...LOWER!!!".

    But I swore that my buddies '08 Spot has a "low" compression RP23HV. Seems like Titus has Low compression shocks too. But I do know that FOX has custom designed shocks for certain brands.....maybe that's why there are some lurking around. Just can't get them for the Mojo?

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    Just to throw this out there again.....
    PUSH can do pretty much whatever you want to the shock.... and have a custom tune for the Mojo (DW-specific) with specifically adjusted compression damping. Works great. Love it.
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    Keyword- OEM. Fox makes these for their clients. Not for customers.

    I think Ventana also uses the low RP23.

    Push. That's the easiest solution. A hundred bucks. But in all actuality, I'm very happy with my shock. I just want the normal riding adjustments to be in it's midrange.

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    Quote Originally Posted by _dw
    I don't know what all of this talk about high and medium compression is all about. For an RP23 on a Mojo, there is no reason to be running ANYTHING other than a low compression tune for the RP23. If you are on a medium or high compression shock then you are missing out on traction that you could have. Of course, its still going to be as good as any other bike running the medium and high tune, but don't you want to feel what its like to ride it as good as it can get?
    thanks dw 4 clearing this up... hey, the cat is out of the bag... now i have 2 have a low compression rp23 4 my mojo...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tread Mark
    thanks dw 4 clearing this up... hey, the cat is out of the bag... now i have 2 have a low compression rp23 4 my mojo...
    So tell us how you got a low compression tune on your rp23....did you buy it that way or did you have an aftermarket company retune it???

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    Not that there's anything wrong with that.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by subliminalshiver
    Just to throw this out there again.....
    PUSH can do pretty much whatever you want to the shock.... and have a custom tune for the Mojo (DW-specific) with specifically adjusted compression damping. Works great. Love it.
    subliminalshiver- are you getting a plush ride and full travel out of your PUSH-tuned RP23? I do feel the stock RP23s (older RP3s as well) are over-damped and I'm surprised that Fox has not addressed this over the years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cmanser
    So tell us how you got a low compression tune on your rp23....did you buy it that way or did you have an aftermarket company retune it???
    i don't have 1 but from what dw is saying the mojo is designed and works best with the fox low compression rp23 shock... so there must have been stock fox low compression rp23's around during the design phase of the mojo... so where r they today i don't know but i want 1...or... i'm thinking a simple solution 4 the medium compression shocked mojo's out there would b a high volume air can swap which in effect would help 2 lower the compression... has anybody tried this that can chime in with results..?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueMountain
    subliminalshiver- are you getting a plush ride and full travel out of your PUSH-tuned RP23?
    Yes. Super plush yet maintains pedaling efficiency. The biggest change I have noticed is that it seems able to handle a counterintuitive range of impacts. It has excellent small bump compliance while fending off pedal input, yet still has the damping to handle big hits. I find that post tune that I feel faster. Darren from push laughed when I told him that... but it's true.
    For example (this is how it was illustrated to me). If I crank the rebound control all the way firm (I know no one rides like this but this is for illustrative purposes)and just sort of bounce on the saddle it feels just as you would expect- like there was peanut butter in there. Firm. Not much motion. But... if you quickly jab the bike down the heavy damping disappears and the suspension is able to compress. So when you're just cruising around it remains supple and helps a ton with traction..... but when you point it down or dip into and out of a g-out it remains controlled. No bucking. It seems to let me use more damping where I need it while maintaining light damping (for max DW-magic) during most everywhere else.
    In other words....
    It does exactly what you would want it to....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tread Mark
    from what dw is saying the mojo is designed and works best with the fox low compression rp23 shock... so there must have been stock fox low compression rp23's around during the design phase of the mojo... so where r they today i don't know but i want 1...or... i'm thinking a simple solution 4 the medium compression shocked mojo's out there would b a high volume air can swap which in effect would help 2 lower the compression... has anybody tried this that can chime in with results..?
    I don't think it would work like that. The HV sleeve wll flatten out the spring rate of the shock, might make it feel more plush.. but will decrease bottom-out resistance as well.
    I'm not expert, but I think that might even make your problems worse... with the stock sleeve the deeper into travel you get the higher the spring rate. I think this means that at these higher forces earlier in the travel the damping oil puts up less of a fight and is moved easier, sooner. With a HV sleeve the spring rate doesn't get high until later in the travel, meaning that the piston is still moving the oil around but now there's less force behind it. As the damping medium has a constant viscosity at a given temperature I think the effect of all this is a perceived increase in compression damping vs. a decrease.
    But like I said... I'm no suspension genius. That's just a hair-brained theory. We're gonna need Derby or DW to check that.
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    Originally Posted by _dw
    I don't know what all of this talk about high and medium compression is all about. For an RP23 on a Mojo, there is no reason to be running ANYTHING other than a low compression tune for the RP23. If you are on a medium or high compression shock then you are missing out on traction that you could have. Of course, its still going to be as good as any other bike running the medium and high tune, but don't you want to feel what its like to ride it as good as it can get?

    Quote:Originally Posted by Tread Mark
    thanks dw 4 clearing this up... hey, the cat is out of the bag... now i have 2 have a low compression rp23 4 my mojo...

    Quote:So tell us how you got a low compression tune on your rp23....did you buy it that way or did you have an aftermarket company retune it???
    Actually, the standard medium compression tuned Moj specific RP23's shipped with them is really good for all-mountain marathon out of saddle guys like me that ride uphill with platform on. Quite an improvement from the original stock RP23 I tried on the 2007 Moj. I can't imagine a soft compression tuned shock I guess for downhillers maybe. Heck if I wanted that much motion climbing I would have gone with a 4/bar.
    I can't wait to see what the Push Moj specific tune does to this shock. It worked wonders with my last one for my Blur.
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    Sorry to sound silly here but Im assuming the way to find out what compression your shock has you look at the symbol with the 3 bars and the one thats shaded corresponds to the compression, ie the middle bar is medium compression?

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    Quote Originally Posted by james beaumont
    Sorry to sound silly here but Im assuming the way to find out what compression your shock has you look at the symbol with the 3 bars and the one thats shaded corresponds to the compression, ie the middle bar is medium compression?
    Yes.....you're silly.

    Yeah. Middle bar means medium compression.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ddraewwg
    Yes.....you're silly.

    Yeah. Middle bar means medium compression.
    Just checking

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    Quote Originally Posted by subliminalshiver
    I don't think it would work like that. The HV sleeve wll flatten out the spring rate of the shock, might make it feel more plush.. but will decrease bottom-out resistance as well.
    I'm not expert, but I think that might even make your problems worse... with the stock sleeve the deeper into travel you get the higher the spring rate. I think this means that at these higher forces earlier in the travel the damping oil puts up less of a fight and is moved easier, sooner. With a HV sleeve the spring rate doesn't get high until later in the travel, meaning that the piston is still moving the oil around but now there's less force behind it. As the damping medium has a constant viscosity at a given temperature I think the effect of all this is a perceived increase in compression damping vs. a decrease.
    But like I said... I'm no suspension genius. That's just a hair-brained theory. We're gonna need Derby or DW to check that.
    let me put this another way...i was thinking a quick fix 2 this general mojo/dw situation of getting more from our mojo's like what dw said we should, is try a simple modification 2 your rp23... 4 a couple of hundred bucks push can fix it, that's a given... i personally have not done this but think this may work... 4 those of us that have not gone the push route yet there is still hope by swapping out your stock air can 4 a hv can which will add more travel at same air pressure... this in turn will have a direct effect on softening compression and rebound settings... u can manage bottom out with a combination of increased air pressure and adjust the air volume down by adding mass directly into the air chamber with a couple of 50mm x 2mm O rings... what i have read is that swapped out air cans just take 10 minutes and cost less than most other options... this may work 4 a while till u need 2 rebuild your shock at which time u may than go 4 the push tune at your leasure... food 4 thought...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tread Mark
    i don't have 1 but from what dw is saying the mojo is designed and works best with the fox low compression rp23 shock... so there must have been stock fox low compression rp23's around during the design phase of the mojo... so where r they today i don't know but i want 1...or... i'm thinking a simple solution 4 the medium compression shocked mojo's out there would b a high volume air can swap which in effect would help 2 lower the compression... has anybody tried this that can chime in with results..?
    I did it on mine for a couple of reasons. I'm at 185 lbs. The stock shock, at the proper sag, would not get the full stroke, no matter how rough the trail was(1/4 in. short). The other thing was that, at the proper sag, the shock would blow through mid travel, then ramp up quickly. This led to pedal hits in any kind of the least bit technical terrain. This was most annoying. Push recommended a HV sleeve. I experimented with pressure and sag. The odd thing was there was a range of pressure that was about 15 lbs that could get the proper sag, but the stroke and feel could be adjusted. I settled in at a slightly higher pressure. It took care of the mid travel blow thru and the pedal hits(somewhat). I got the full stroke in rough DH terrain and the shock ramped up at the end to protect the bike and shock. I'm also getting that magic climbing feel the DW suspension gets at the right setup.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quattro
    I did it on mine for a couple of reasons. I'm at 185 lbs. The stock shock, at the proper sag, would not get the full stroke, no matter how rough the trail was(1/4 in. short). The other thing was that, at the proper sag, the shock would blow through mid travel, then ramp up quickly. This led to pedal hits in any kind of the least bit technical terrain. This was most annoying. Push recommended a HV sleeve. I experimented with pressure and sag. The odd thing was there was a range of pressure that was about 15 lbs that could get the proper sag, but the stroke and feel could be adjusted. I settled in at a slightly higher pressure. It took care of the mid travel blow thru and the pedal hits(somewhat). I got the full stroke in rough DH terrain and the shock ramped up at the end to protect the bike and shock. I'm also getting that magic climbing feel the DW suspension gets at the right setup.

    hey don, thanks man, this is great 2 know.!! please clarify a couple of hanging questions in your response 4 all of us who r in this same situation as you described... which compression tune rp23 shock r u using with these results and what air pressure works best 4 u at what sag ratio..?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tread Mark
    hey don, thanks man, this is great 2 know.!! please clarify a couple of hanging questions in your response 4 all of us who r in this same situation as you described... which compression tune rp23 shock r u using with these results and what air pressure works best 4 u at what sag ratio..?
    Medium compression. Before HV sleeve;179 lb., with the sleeve 183 lb. at 25% sag. I played around with the pressure a little and tried it on familiar trails. This works well with my riding gear, for me.
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    There have been a few posts here by riders who got their Mojo’s delivered with the Firm tuned RP23. Production mistakes can happen, but I’d guess these were special orders by the dealers thinking their strong riders would prefer a firmer suspenion..

    The Soft factory tune RP23 can also be special ordered with the Mojo by those knowing they want it. The Soft has almost no difference in compression feel whether "off" or in all three “on” settings and has the least platform available from Fox without special OEM design for less.

    XC/AM riders who prefer soft suspension are in a very small minority. Most full suspension riders don't like the added wallow, brake dive, and standing pedal bob allowed by the mediocre Fox damping quality with soft full bottom out use of 5.5 inch travel.

    I think the Medium factory tune RP23 is still the most appropriate Mojo specification unless the Soft or Firm factory tuned RP23 is special ordered.

    The DT Carbon shock has some mild low speed compression but no platform, and is smoother than the Soft RP23.

    The PUSH or TFTuned RP23 can be made as smooth as the DT shock with platform turned off, plus the propedal settings tuned to have a wider range of low speed compression or platform. And the PUSH/TFTuned shocks have higher quality mid-stroke (high speed) compression and more usable bottom travel, without using a larger volume air can for most riders.

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    I'm glad you added that, Derby. Because after riding the medium on every terrain from steep climbing to three or more foot jumps, I can't imagine improving on it. I can't think of how this setup could possibly be improved. I would like to have my riding adjustments midway between endpoints. But I haven't complained once. It's just that when the designer mentions a soft, it does rattle some cages.

    For now I'll just keep saving my pennies for the Synesso Cyncra.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quattro
    Medium compression. Before HV sleeve;179 lb., with the sleeve 183 lb. at 25% sag. I played around with the pressure a little and tried it on familiar trails. This works well with my riding gear, for me.
    hey don, there seems 2 b a difference of opinions hear but your experience with the HV air can works 4 me as we r of similar weights and when u purchase a fox rp23 shock from push it comes with a HV can...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tread Mark
    hey don, there seems 2 b a difference of opinions hear but your experience with the HV air can works 4 me as we r of similar weights and when u purchase a fox rp23 shock from push it comes with a HV can...
    But that shock from PUSH isn't tuned or specifically meant for the mojo, or DW_link bikes necessarily. That's just how they sell it, and their site states the HV can is included "for a more coil-like feel" ie more linear.
    A linear shock might be what you're looking for.
    Then again... maybe not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gregg K
    I'm glad you added that, Derby. Because after riding the medium on every terrain from steep climbing to three or more foot jumps, I can't imagine improving on it. I can't think of how this setup could possibly be improved. I would like to have my riding adjustments midway between endpoints. But I haven't complained once. It's just that when the designer mentions a soft, it does rattle some cages.

    For now I'll just keep saving my pennies for the Synesso Cyncra.
    I agree with _dw that the Soft factory tune RP23 (one short bar marked) is optimum for the Mojo to maximize traction and full travel use.

    But I’ve recently come to realize that by far most riders like firmer suspension than is possible to fully use when riding bikes with more than 4 inch travel. Most riders utilize no more than 4 to 4.5 inches of travel on 5+ inch bikes of any design except for an occasional mistake or landing an extra huge jump where near full travel is used. Firmer suspension, shorter travel use, is more stable and reacts quicker.

    For XC and AM riding a firmer suspension is faster and more efficient over most situations. 5+ inches is too much travel for high performance for most XC and AM riding, using any more than 4 – 4.5 inches is slower even with a dw-link except for high speed downhill, which is a minority of time and effort for XC and AM riding.

    I’ll qualify that by saying that I’ve observed this performance advantage of firm suspension by watching James Stewart who is arguably the fastest dirt motorcycle rider ever in history, and he runs noticeably firmer suspension than most of the competitors. The difference is he is riding so hard and he’s so talented he uses all his firmer travel. His competitors usually ride softer suspension using full travel but ride slower, mostly due to having less strength and talent to handle firmer suspension.

    I think beginner and intermediate full suspension mountain bikers like shorter travel or firmer longer travel (longer than 4.5 inches) XC/AM bikes simply because firm travel is more stable. Very strong AM advanced riders utilize firm 5.5 inch travel because they are stronge and skilled enough to push more than 4 inches of firm travel with good control. More casual AM advanced riders like softer suspension because we ride slower and are not as strong as some riders, but have the skill to use all the suspension at lower speeds. Very strong XC riders/racers don’t want more than a firm 4 inch travel for efficient pedaling and quick handling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by subliminalshiver
    But that shock from PUSH isn't tuned or specifically meant for the mojo, or DW_link bikes necessarily. That's just how they sell it, and their site states the HV can is included "for a more coil-like feel" ie more linear.
    A linear shock might be what you're looking for.
    Then again... maybe not.

    hey ss, linear is good with tuning options...
    Quote Originally Posted by Tread Mark
    u can manage bottom out with a combination of increased air pressure and adjust the air volume down by adding mass directly into the air chamber with a couple of 50mm x 2mm O rings...
    i believe that a pushed dw specific tuned shock is the best performance option 4 a mojo...but 4 a small investment of $60 and 10 minute of my time a HV can swap 2 my rp23 i hope 2 feel the magic that Quattro talks about above... this is a practical exercise in restraint until i need 2 rebuild it down the road at which time i will send it off 2 b pushed...
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    Ok man.... I really wish you the best of luck with all of it...... I just hope the HV can does what you're hoping it does. Personally... I don't think it will and I'm concerned that the $60 is a major dent in the PUSH tuning fund, as that might actually get you what you're looking for. A rebuild kit would cost you about $15 and about 10 minutes of your time to do yourself.
    And you're talking about putting a HV can on but then reducing the volume with some O rings... aren't you defeating the purpose?
    No ball bust intended... but your $60 might be better spent elsewhere
    Oh well. I hope I am proven wrong and it works out very well for you. Cheers!
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