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    Do not use Maxle Lite axle with Hope Pro 2 12mm hub axle

    Hi!

    Seems that Hope Pro 2 12mm hub axle cannot handle the Maxle Lite.
    Snapped in two pieces last weekend.



    Nothing to do with HD directly. Seems also that I am not the only one

    Have to try older rear Maxle instead.
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    Thanks for the heads up.
    I've got an I9 hub, and Pro2 hub as a backup. Best bet might be to just get a fat axle and give the Maxle a rest for now.

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    OT: random jog down memory lane

    Quote Originally Posted by dan51
    Best bet might be to just get a fat axle.
    Haven't thought about this record in a loooong time: thanks for the reminder!

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    *****--just what I didn't wanna hear.

    Time to call SRAM.....

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    More detail on the problem with Hope hubs and 12mm axles....

    Rear hub for 12mm maxle (or maxle lite).

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    If you take the time to search, this is super common. I can't believe SRAM hasn't recalled them yet.
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    Hope the normal rear Maxle will hold up better. Does anyone know any better alternative than rear Maxle?

    New setup is normal rear maxle, steel pro 2 freehub ja xtr cassette
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    Quote Originally Posted by MPI
    Hope the normal rear Maxle will hold up better. Does anyone know any better alternative than rear Maxle?

    New setup is normal rear maxle, steel pro 2 freehub ja xtr cassette
    A solid axle (i.e. Intense) would probably be better. I've read of broken hubs even with the regular Maxle (which is what I'm running on my HD now), but I haven't seen any pictures to substantiate--only hearsay. The regular Maxle does give me a helluvalot more peace-of-mind though...

    I'll be in Whistler all next week shreddin', so I'll keep everyone posted as to how my rear hub (Pro2) and Maxle holds up.

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    Does the HD frame come with a Maxle Lite (or any other axle) from Ibis or do you have to order it separately?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hardboiled
    Does the HD frame come with a Maxle Lite (or any other axle) from Ibis or do you have to order it separately?
    comes with.

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    i was thinking of getting maxle for my wfo 9, im currently running bolt ons with hope pro2 but recently they got loose, i retightened them but im looking for something else just incase, what is better bolt thru?

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    Quote Originally Posted by david8613
    i was thinking of getting maxle for my wfo 9, im currently running bolt ons with hope pro2 but recently they got loose, i retightened them but im looking for something else just incase, what is better bolt thru?
    I am now running a normal maxle with hope pro 2 hubs. It is better and more secure than maxle lite option.
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    Actually it wont as I have broken 6 axles with the solid maxle axle!!! BETD GOLDTEC have designed a new axle which i am trying to destruct with a maxle lite squewer.

    So far it is holding up, they have elongated the shoulder that runs under the cassette hub inteface (weak area).

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    Great. I just ordered a regular Maxle to help alleviate this issue with my Pro2 12mm rear hub...

    Does anyone offer a stronger replacement axle for the Hope Pro2 12mm hub in stainless steel perhaps? (Hope, hello??)
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    maxle report please....

    Quote Originally Posted by Rb

    I'll be in Whistler all next week shreddin', so I'll keep everyone posted as to how my rear hub (Pro2) and Maxle holds up.
    Hey Rb....
    saw your action thread so I am thinking that the maxle is holding up A'OK?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chick n da woods
    Hey Rb....
    saw your action thread so I am thinking that the maxle is holding up A'OK?
    Yep!!

    Certainly don't wanna jinx it now, but I've had zero issues with my Pro2 + regular Maxle (came off my buddy's Corsair). It suffered through countless cased landings, crashes, motowhips that didn't get brought back, etc. etc. Perhaps I'm just lucky?

    For what it's worth, Hope is in fact working on a retooled axle which supports the external taper of the Maxle Light. For those of you out there with Pro2's, ya'll might wanna give Hope a ring and see what the ETA is on these.

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    I emailed them about two weeks ago about this issue and here is the reply I got (nothing about a real solution):

    "what you have been reading is correct and there is a possibility of the axle snapping when using the Maxle lite.It will be fine if you use the standard Maxle and would advise doing so before you use the Maxle lite.It may be posiible that Sram will be able to swap this over as they do recognise that it has had some issue's with snapping axles on a number of different manufacturer's hubs as it doesn't offer support where it is needed."

    Quote Originally Posted by Rb
    Yep!!

    Certainly don't wanna jinx it now, but I've had zero issues with my Pro2 + regular Maxle (came off my buddy's Corsair). It suffered through countless cased landings, crashes, motowhips that didn't get brought back, etc. etc. Perhaps I'm just lucky?

    For what it's worth, Hope is in fact working on a retooled axle which supports the external taper of the Maxle Light. For those of you out there with Pro2's, ya'll might wanna give Hope a ring and see what the ETA is on these.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dogvet
    Actually it wont as I have broken 6 axles with the solid maxle axle!!! BETD GOLDTEC have designed a new axle which i am trying to destruct with a maxle lite squewer.

    So far it is holding up, they have elongated the shoulder that runs under the cassette hub inteface (weak area).
    Thanks for info! I noticed that in my case it looked like the spacer between the freehub and the hub has helped to cut the axle. So I rounded the edges of spacer with Dremel too.

    dogvet ! has BETD that type axle in their website. They have only this
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    Hadley makes a really nice one for $28 if you are not adamant on the QR feature - http://www.balleracing.com/Hadley/Hadley12mmIntense.htm. Balle Racing and Universal Cycles are both sold out but Balle is expecting a bunch more Hadley stuff in the next week.
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    No it is so new that it has only just come out of their CAD machine tool shop, I am the first to get both my hubs fitted with the new internal axles to test.
    But looks good so far, basically the profile is as a full down hill internal axle providing almost double the thickness of material at the critical point.
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    SRAM answer

    This is the reply just got from SRAM - see the attached pdf file.
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    Still may not help as i have broken hubs with maxle lite, makle normal profile and also a hadley style non QR squewer!

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    I love that the release says it is not a safety issue. Then what is it?

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    I think the problem is mostly with the some of the hub axles and not the ML. I have a mate who rides pretty hard and has two bikes with ML + DT 240 hubs and hasn't had a problem. he's been running those for over a year now.

    I will still relay the info to him about the newly redesign ML axles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dogvet
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    Still may not help as i have broken hubs with maxle lite, makle normal profile and also a hadley style non QR squewer!
    That's a real bummer... I really don't know what to do - ordered an HD with the XT kit (wheel included), but also got myself an additional set of wheel which have the Hope Pro 2 hubs... I guess I will use the wheels that comes with the kit and wait until this problem is really solved before installing the Hope wheels.

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    Betd goltec new longer shouldered internal axle has had no problems so far with a maxle lite squewer and had a serious work out so far. All is good

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    Quote Originally Posted by MPI View Post
    Hi!

    Seems that Hope Pro 2 12mm hub axle cannot handle the Maxle Lite.
    Snapped in two pieces last weekend.



    Nothing to do with HD directly. Seems also that I am not the only one

    Have to try older rear Maxle instead.
    This is exactly what my rear wheel is looking like at the moment. I wish I had seen this thread a while back.

    Any suggestions? My regular mechanic said it's still rideable for the time being, but I need to get it replaced.

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    If it looks like the above then it is NOT "still rideable". Same thing happened to me with half my ride left to get back. Fortunately I did make it back but that freewheel got more and more sticky and chainslap worse as the ride progressed and had to be very aware not to get it sucked into the wheel. I've had the axle break twice in the hub over two seasons.

    You should be able to get a new hub axle and then get yourself a regular Maxle, not a Maxle Lite.

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    Which version is straight? I have a tapered and a straight Maxle (2).

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    This is the old one (old straight version of Maxle, bit heavier but stronger) which I used with Hope Pro 2 succesfully.



    This is the lightened one (Maxle Lite) which I do not recommend to use. (This broke my Hope Pro 2 Axle and came stock with 2010 XL frame)

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    I got my HD in Jan 2011, and it had the normal one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by robnow View Post
    If it looks like the above then it is NOT "still rideable". Same thing happened to me with half my ride left to get back. Fortunately I did make it back but that freewheel got more and more sticky and chainslap worse as the ride progressed and had to be very aware not to get it sucked into the wheel. I've had the axle break twice in the hub over two seasons.

    You should be able to get a new hub axle and then get yourself a regular Maxle, not a Maxle Lite.
    My axle is actually the regular Maxle. I don't think I realized the difference between that and the light one last night when I posted. Has anyone had issues with the regular Maxle? The Ibis website actually mentions that there have been problems with it if you go to the For Sale section.

    Right now my free wheel works fine. All of the force is on the Maxle, so I'm not exactly sure why it would be a major issue to ride it like that. [Ignorance is bliss]

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    Oh and does anyone know where I could pick up a new axle FAST? I'm getting ready to hit the road next Thurs for a big adventure. I need that wheel fixed ASAP!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lev View Post
    Oh and does anyone know where I could pick up a new axle FAST? I'm getting ready to hit the road next Thurs for a big adventure. I need that wheel fixed ASAP!
    Contact Phil Dean at phil@hopetech.com

    Send him a picture of the broken spindle and ask if warranty covers. If not, that's cheap and they ship FAST.

    If you want a definitive solution, upgrade to a Pro2 Evo that has a 17mm OP spindle instead of a 15mm OD spindle used in the old Pro2. Pro2 will be still falwless with a 10mm or a QR spindle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bati View Post
    Contact Phil Dean at phil@hopetech.com

    Send him a picture of the broken spindle and ask if warranty covers. If not, that's cheap and they ship FAST.

    If you want a definitive solution, upgrade to a Pro2 Evo that has a 17mm OP spindle instead of a 15mm OD spindle used in the old Pro2. Pro2 will be still falwless with a 10mm or a QR spindle.
    Thanks dude

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