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    disapointed with Mojo demo ride

    I'm a 185-190lbs rider from down under and was quite disappointed with my first demo of a Mojo last night. It is for sale and I was initially keen but now I'm not so sure. It is a 08 version with full XT build including XT wheels and tubeless tyres using a 100-140 Talas RLC and RP23 shock.

    I don't know if I was overly sensitive to rear end flex after reading several posts about it here but the first small drop off I went down I felt the rear end steer the bike slightly. Certainly not as stiff in the rear as a alloy 2010 StumpJumper FSR Expert I demo'ed the night before. Maybe the wheels or tyres could be partially to blame too although I was riding single track with fairly mild descents. The bike just didn't have quite the point and shoot nature of the Stumpy. The mojo doesn't have Lopes links but I'm wary as how much difference it could make.

    The mojo has been owned since new by the light weight female XC rider although she says she does ride descents aggressively. Do mojo frames fatigue?

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    I test rode a WTF build Mojo from Dirtworks a few weeks ago with Lopes link. After reading reports on here of rear end flex I was expecting a noodle like ride, after a few jumps and drops the bike felt solid with no detectable flex. The wheels on the bike were also stupidly light.

    There is a great video posted here (I will try to find the link) of before/after Lopes link and it does make a difference.

    I would try and see if you can try a Mojo w/ Lopes link and see what you think.

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    Was the suspension set up properly for your weight? I know my mojo feel less then spectacular when the suspension isn't set correctly.

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    Granted your test bike didn't have the lopes link, these threads pop up from time to time. It seems a good third of the mojo riders think the rear is flexy, and the rest don't. I guess you really have to demo one first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rip.
    Was the suspension set up properly for your weight? I know my mojo feel less then spectacular when the suspension isn't set correctly.

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    I suspect it was a tad too firm in the suspension. After my ride in dusty conditions I saw that I'd only used 2/3's to 3/4's of travel however the terrain wasn't severe either.

    On my quick set up the night before I guessed I had 25% rear shock sag and 15% in the front. I also used the Competitive Cycles web guide to set up the front compression and rebound.

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    Well, Mojo's arent for everyone. I actually didnt like the first few rides I had on a Mojo.
    My Coilair was the opposite, I test drove a deluxe a few times and just KNEW that the supreme would be a great bike, maybe it is, but I only enjoy it on urban stuff or fast steep downhills

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    In the dying days of last years riding I put a Lopes Link on my 07 and noticed right away that the bike was stiffer. Rear wheel seemed to track better, felt solid. I weight 160 with gear and like my rocks and roots with the occasional small drop. Now I'd like a 15 mil through axle fork to see how the ride would change.

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    Thanks straw. This is what concerns me... We have several people stating that they feel the big difference and a similar amount saying there was minor or insignificant improvement in stiffness.

    I'm starting to wonder (hoping) whether some people are incapable of feeling the flex whether it is there or not and they are the ones saying it doesn't make a difference. That's not a put down by the way, just an observation. I haven't ridden enough to tell a big difference from my old Marzocchi Bomber forks (without rebound) to current day forks but I could certainly feel the difference in flex between the 2 bikes I've demo'ed.

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    Just a thought but there may be a possibility that the frame is cracked...

    My '08 SL developed a crack in the BB area (hidden behind the link) within the first few rides. All I noticed was how sloppy the handling was and the crack was not diagnosed until the rear triangle was removed. My front frame was replaced under warranty and I later added the Lopez links and its now rock solid (for the last two years). I'm 200lbs plus loaded. It turns out my frame was one of a small batch with a manufacturing defect.

    I really wonder about all these claims about flex... it seems strange to me how there can be so divergent opinions?

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    I doubt the frame is cracked.

    Need to run %30 sag rear and %25-30 sag front, then make sure the tires have correct air in them and get a Mojo with a lopes link. Bike should feel much bettter then.

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    I'll have to agree with the OP about the flex. The first time I demo'ed a Mojo was with the two piece upper link. I had my brother ride along with my 04 FSR so I could swap bikes at any time. When going from the FSR to the Mojo for the first time, I had to stop to check to if something was loose. The rear felt pretty flexy to me.

    I think that some riders don't notice the flex, or confuse it with pedaling efficiency. Of all three Mojo's that I've ridden, those with the two-piece upper link are flexy. Those with the one-piece upper link is less flexy, but not as stiff as the FSR.

    Overall, I like the Mojo better than my FSR, but I do wish that the rear end was a little stiffer.

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    it IS confusing how a bunch of people notice it and others swear it's not there.

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    Well the girl who owns it can't feel it but I know why, she weighs 55kgs , I'm 85kgs. I returned the bike tonight and stood beside it leaning the bike away from me and pushed laterally down on the pedal and the BB moved at least an inch with a relatively gentle prod. She was stunned to say the least.

    As I said earlier too, I just think some people are more dialed into what is happening to the bike below them than others are. To some the bike feels different to other bikes they have ridden but they can't put a finger on why, just that they like it or they don't. Obviously the heavier a rider the more they should notice it too.

    I'm demoing a near new Pivot Mach 5 over the weekend so that should make for a good comparison taking the DW link on both into consideration. Also riding a Yeti 575 and trying to arrange an ASR-5 Alloy too.

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    So blybo, you're a brand new MTBR member, and your only posts so far are in this thread? Not saying you're a troll, but that is a typical indicator.
    "I thought you'd never love me without my Mojo." -Austin Powers

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    Oh come on, can't a person express his opinion without getting the troll bull **** thrown at him?

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    Quote Originally Posted by blybo
    I returned the bike tonight and stood beside it leaning the bike away from me and pushed laterally down on the pedal and the BB moved at least an inch with a relatively gentle prod.
    something sounds wrong there

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crossmaxx
    Oh come on, can't a person express his opinion without getting the troll bull **** thrown at him?
    Of course someone can express a dissenting or disparaging opinion without being suspected of trolling. That is a silly question.

    It's not the disparaging opinion by itself that is a troll flag, but such an opinion combined with an extremely low post count by a new MTBR member. That is a classic indicator of trolling.

    Such is obviously not conclusive by any means, and thus this is not an accusation, but it is understandably suspicious, that is all.
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    Blybo,
    I'd say that something is definitely wrong with that Mojo. Either a shot linkage bearing or a crack somewhere. I weigh similar to you and can't flex my frame like that. Try a new Mojo demo out if you can. Ultimately, you've got to find something that you like to ride. Keep demoing bikes until you find something that works for your riding style. Good luck in your bike search.

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    I agree...

    You should try another one. I have one of the first mojo frames and haven't gotten around to ordering a lopes link yet. There is flex, but not that bad. I run Havoc wheels and a 20mm thru axle fox 36 with nevegal 2.35's and compared to my Transition Blindside DH bike it feels a little flexy but I can no way move it an inch. I would say there is around 1 cm of flex in each direction. This should get better with the link. I am about 180-185 with gear and would classify myself as sensitive to flex and a hard rider. If another mojo doesn't work for you, try a transition covert-my brother just bought one and loves it. It is better for all mountain than a mach 5 if youa re looking for a more aggressive bike. It's cheaper too....

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    Let us know how you like the Pivot, I started running one(mach5) September of last year and love it. I did a fairly light build ~25.9lbs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blybo
    I'm demoing a near new Pivot Mach 5 over the weekend so that should make for a good comparison taking the DW link on both into consideration. Also riding a Yeti 575 and trying to arrange an ASR-5 Alloy too.
    You will definately think the Mach 5 is very stiff, though the DW feels quite a bit different as the bike is not nearly as plush. (The Mach 5 was in my final 2 before I bought my Mojo SL). I found the 575 to be noodle flexy is the rear end, but the geometry made downhills and drops more confident feeling than the Mojo. Oh, and the suspension is not nearly as efficient as DW link bikes.

    FYI: I'm 6' and 190 w/gear

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    please post your comparison of the pivot mach5 as soon as you ride it (in this thread if you can!)

    screw the troll talk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clewttu
    something sounds wrong there
    I had a similar experience to the OP last year, including the flex when standing and pushing on the drive side pedal. The rear lower linkage bolt was loose.

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    kind of interesting. someone who is new to MTBR, but obviously not new to MTB'ing. first and only posts are here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtb143
    So blybo, you're a brand new MTBR member, and your only posts so far are in this thread? Not saying you're a troll, but that is a typical indicator.
    Pull your head in dude. I have to start somewhere. I've done a fair bit of research in my local forum in Melbourne where I have about 5000 posts over the last couple of years but there aren't enough Mojo owners there to get a broad spectrum of feedback. My usual forum is also more frequented by roadies which I still consider to be my primary bike use. I will be asking the owner to check the lower link btw, I would still love to buy the bike as I could save AUS$3000 on one compared to the others I'm looking at new.

    We get screwed on price btw compared to you guys. The Mojo XT costs around AUS$7000, similar for a Pivot or higher build spec Yeti. Thats a lot when you consider a AUS$ buys over 90 US cents

    I have also posted on my local forum asking any Mojo owners with a Lopes link if I could try it. So far 0 posts

    My usual forum is http://www.bv.com.au/forums/viewforum.php?f=27 and I have the same user name there too. Nothing to hide here...

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_owl
    kind of interesting. someone who is new to MTBR, but obviously not new to MTB'ing. first and only posts are here.
    You do understand there is a world outside of the good ol US of A right? And I am new to real mtb'ing actually but have a good general knowledge of bikes and have done plenty of research before coming here.

    I've been a semi serious roadie for 3 years, including road racing and crits, ridden bikes (bmx in my youth) on and off my whole life but my only mtb to date is a 2001 Giant ATX 860 which has been used 99% of the time as a commuting bike, couldn't get any mates interested in off road so gave the idea up before I found a club etc... And that was the days prior to internet forums... well for me anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blybo
    You do understand there is a world outside of the good ol US of A right? And I am new to real mtb'ing actually but have a good general knowledge of bikes and have done plenty of research before coming here.

    I've been a semi serious roadie for 3 years, including road racing and crits, ridden bikes (bmx in my youth) on and off my whole life but my only mtb to date is a 2001 Giant ATX 860 which has been used 99% of the time as a commuting bike, couldn't get any mates interested in off road so gave the idea up before I found a club etc... And that was the days prior to internet forums... well for me anyway.
    Funny, I would suggest the same to you, seeing as how assume everyone HERE is from the good ol US of A.. right?

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    This is not the foot I wanted to get off on... however you have insinuated I'm trolling just because I'm into mtb'ing (well the last month anyway) yet have never posted on a US site before like it is the only place to discuss mtb'ing on the web. dude, I'll always go to my local sources first.

    btw your web link does in fact suggest YOU are from the good ol US of A. My comment was directed at you, not the forum as a whole.

    This is a very good source of knowledge, hense why I posted after lurking for a couple of weeks, as I needed specific advise that I had not seen a thread on previously

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    not my weblink, just site I am building. Its also in French and Spanish
    I didnt insinuate you were trolling, someone else did.

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    I don't have any input re flex but will echo a post about the suspension setup - I rode a mojo which was set up (IMHO) too firm and it just didn't feel good - another similar mojo set up for my weight (a good % more sag) made a huge difference to how it felt.

    Oh and ignore the troll trolls...:-)

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    I have a nude 09 mojo sx. It came with a 09 float 140 qr, and the split upper link. I weigh 240 with gear. Itís great bike out of the box, I love how the mojo climbs and itís pedal efficiency as well as itís plush ride and light weight. In the past year and a half I have put $1000 in upgrades to stiffen the bike which where offset by selling the old fork and wheel set for $500. Out are the crossrides, float 140qr and the split upper link. In itís place a black Magura Thor 140mm with 20m thru axle $550, the new hoops with red hope pro2s on Stanís Flow $350 and a Lopes link $100. The hope pro II rear hub has 10mm bolts instead of a QR. These changes made a great bike even better. It is now stiffer, tracks better, rides very plush, around 27 pounds as sexy as hell.

    I ride this bike hard with reckless abandonment in Utah. It is scarred up like me. I love the carbon if I was riding a alum or ti bike I would have dented it up pretty good by now. If I was going buy a bike today I would I might end up with a Pivot Mach 429 or Mach 5 or a SC tall boy but I have a hard time thinking I could be happier than I am with the mojo. The Mojo is not the best bike at every thing but it might be the best all round bike today. If the mojo is your size, in good shape and a good deal I would pull the trigger you can certainly do a lot worse.

    For me the rider is the weakest link in my current setup. Iím focused on addressing that this year. Happy Trails

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    Quote Originally Posted by blybo
    I returned the bike tonight and stood beside it leaning the bike away from me and pushed laterally down on the pedal and the BB moved at least an inch with a relatively gentle prod.
    A fair amount of the flex from that test may be the tires flexing sideways. The test I use is to put the chain on the small ring in front and the middle cog (5th) in the back. Put on the rear brakes firmly and then mash on the pedals without letting the rear wheel turn. You will see the rear triangle flex sideways. BTW, this will "activate" some of the anti-squat geometry, so take that into consideration. Visually, it looks like my rear triangle is flexing almost 3/8" (9.5mm for those non-USA peeps) sideways.

    The SL rear triangle is stiffer than the regular rear triangle (one reason why I upgraded to the SL rear end). I don't know if it makes a difference when riding, since I also upgraded to the one-piece link at the same time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LuckySomer
    ..... If I was going buy a bike today I might end up with a Pivot Mach 429 or Mach 5 or a SC tall boy but I have a hard time thinking I could be happier than I am with the mojo. The Mojo is not the best bike at every thing but it might be the best all round bike today. ...
    Somer, if considering a 29'er have a look good look at 650b wheels for your Mojo. I've got a few posts in the 650b forum on my Mojo conversion. I've ridden the 429 (my favorite 29'er), DWL Sultan, Rip9, and an early year Fisher FS 29'er, and prefer the longer travel, and better 26" fork options, lighter weight, better pedaling clearance, and more nimble handling with the converted 650b Mojo.

    BTW, I made similar changes to my Mojo for improved handling stiffness. At my 200+ lbs, it was very much improved from the ho-hum just average light weight bike flex with the original '06 links, wheels, and fork.

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    My bike flexed in the bottom bracket and it was a bonding issue with the main pivot tube. The bike is a bit flexie and the people who deny it are dilusional. Just grab the rear wheel and push it to the side, the whole triangle flexes, it's hard to deny that. My Epic is much much stiffer and dare I say that I am much faster on it, at least untill the trail turns to a rock fest then the Mojo kicks it all over the place. The one piece link helps a great deal in my opinion. Overall the Mojo is a great bike and I have no regrets about buying it. If you run big tires on small rims that will add a great deal of flex. I went to 2.2 Purgatory tires on XC One wheels and that added to it for sure but at the same time it sure made the bike feel more plush. One reason I think I'm slower is that I just want to play around all the time on the mojo, It's just funner. I know more fun. I do have negitive opinions expressed and some say I look a bit Troll like but I feel more like a dwarf.

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    Well today I tested the Mach 5 and we have a winner folks. It doesn't have a plush feel like the Mojo, the compliance is still there but it just gobbles up obstacles and even with one of the worst rain storms in living memory half way through the ride I was still amazed at how well it climbed. I guess it helped that I had to do nothing to the suspension set up of the demo bike on the trail, it just worked and had very little bob and the rebound, what rebound, it was perfect. We had to back right off due to a slick trail but what fun, I haven't been that wet and dirty since high school football.

    Doing the same test I did to the mojo also inflicted a lot of flex so as suggested above it must be more a fault of the tyres and wheels as it is frame because the Mach 5 tracked SO MUCH better than the Mojo although I only had a few brief minutes before the heavens opened. Sure it will be a little heavier but I'm not buying it for XC, but it still does most things very very well. And I think I've found a run out of last years model for a good price. As far as I'm aware they haven't changed this year.

    I also tested a 575 however even with a too soft rear shock and one click too little of rebound I didn't like the overly plush feel and high front end. It's a very nice bike though that I suspect could blow the Mach 5 and Mojo away on some more extreme downhills, it just felt like too much bike for the type of riding I'll be doing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blybo
    I also tested a 575 however even with a too soft rear shock and one click too little of rebound I didn't like the overly plush feel and high front end. It's a very nice bike though that I suspect could blow the Mach 5 and Mojo away on some more extreme downhills, it just felt like too much bike for the type of riding I'll be doing.
    Stoked to hear you found your bike! Now ride it like you stole it!

    But that last paragraph really confused me

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    Quote Originally Posted by shiny
    There is a great video posted here (I will try to find the link) of before/after Lopes link and it does make a difference.
    This might be that video. I put it together when installing the LL.
    Take a look at the gap between the rear triangle and seatpost and you can see a significant change. Also take a look more towards the rear of the bike and compare how the rear triangle moves compared to the cranks/pedals. Even with the LL on there, there is still a little flex. I'm really cranking hard on the wheel though. It just about touches the rear triangle from all the wheel flex. I'd be surprised to see any bike NOT flex a little.

    Bike is an XL
    Wheels are Dt 5.1d with Hope Pro2 hubs built by Universal Cycles with 10mm RWS through bolt.
    I'm grabbing the frame just below the seatpost collar, and the top of the rear wheel.

    What does this movie prove? I have no idea, just thought it would be interesting to do.

    <object width="640" height="480"><param name="allowfullscreen" value="true" /><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always" /><param name="movie" value="http://vimeo.com/moogaloop.swf?clip_id=9968146&amp;server=vimeo.com &amp;show_title=1&amp;show_byline=1&amp;show_portr ait=0&amp;color=00ADEF&amp;fullscreen=1" /><embed src="http://vimeo.com/moogaloop.swf?clip_id=9968146&amp;server=vimeo.com &amp;show_title=1&amp;show_byline=1&amp;show_portr ait=0&amp;color=00ADEF&amp;fullscreen=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" allowscriptaccess="always" width="640" height="480"></embed></object><p><a href="http://vimeo.com/9968146">Mojo Lopes Link</a> from <a href="http://vimeo.com/user2957784">foodandbikes</a> on <a href="http://vimeo.com">Vimeo</a>.</p>

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    Thats the video! I think it proves the LL makes a difference

    To the OP congrats on finding a bike! I did a car park test ride of a Pivot and it was nice, would be good to try out on the trails as well, but the RRP $ in Australia is insane!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by shiny
    Thats the video! I think it proves the LL makes a difference

    To the OP congrats on finding a bike! I did a car park test ride of a Pivot and it was nice, would be good to try out on the trails as well, but the RRP $ in Australia is insane!!

    Not if you're lucky enough to grab one the last bikes in stock of last years model . Hoping to pick up a grey one with XT build for $5000, if the shop will negotiate a little . This year the only difference is they put a booster valve in the rear shock and most here in the Pivot forum seem to think it was a step backwards anyway so getting a better build for more than a $2000 saving... if it works out that is.

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