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    Brian Wins D.H. Race on Mojo

    For those of you who question the Mojos abilities on downhill!!!!



    What do you have to say now!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gonzo1034
    For those of you who question the Mojos abilities on downhill!!!!

    What do you have to say now!!!!!
    All I can say is I wish I had the bendy leg moves of the guy in the background with the camera!

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    Lopes' setup

    So, my question is what is Lopes' bike setup?

    That is: fork, shock, wheels, and tires?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Count Zero
    So, my question is what is Lopes' bike setup?

    That is: fork, shock, wheels, and tires?
    You can see the bike in closer detail at : http://www.flickr.com/photos/stikman...7604024598452/
    http://www.ridemonkey.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=197910

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    Quote Originally Posted by gonzo1034
    For those of you who question the Mojos abilities on downhill!!!! What do you have to say now!!!!!
    Is it the Mojo's ability or the rider?

    If it is the Mojo, dude I'm gettin one tomorrow and bomb down that trail just like my hero
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    Sh..t! Lopes wins downhill on Blue Ibis.

    Sh...t! I knew the Blue Ibis's were the fast ones!....Anyone wanna buy a clear carbon?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gonzo1034
    For those of you who question the Mojos abilities on downhill!!!!


    What do you have to say now!!!!!
    I say that with the right rider, and maybe a little luck the bike is capable of winning a downhill race. What else is there to say?
    When under pressure, your level of performance will sink to your level of preparation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zzsean
    That's a 66, right?
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    wizzler is a must. although then it consumes all your waking and sleeping thoughts until you can return.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ro.nin
    That's a 66, right?
    No, it is the Rock Shox Lyrik U-Turn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zzsean
    No, it is the Rock Shox Lyrik U-Turn.
    Oh no, I'm pretty familiar with the Rock Shox product

    Was asking about the fork on Brian's bike - the blue Moj.
    Don't think it's a 55, I think it's a 66 ATA. Which is crazy, cuz that's a 140 to 160mm travel, 38mm stanchions fork. BIG.

    Can't wait for my SL!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ro.nin
    Oh no, I'm pretty familiar with the Rock Shox product

    Was asking about the fork on Brian's bike - the blue Moj.
    Don't think it's a 55, I think it's a 66 ATA. Which is crazy, cuz that's a 140 to 160mm travel, 38mm stanchions fork. BIG.

    Can't wait for my SL!!!
    ahh... heh, you confused me by quoting my post - and I didn't read close enough. My bad.

    Wouldn't the 66 be unsuitable for a Mojo going up to 180mm unless you always run it reduced to 160mm? Unless Ibis has already made a personal version of the Mojo that can take a 66 happily.

    However, it certainly looks like a 66.



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    Quote Originally Posted by zzsean
    ahh... heh, you confused me by quoting my post - and I didn't read close enough. My bad.

    Wouldn't the 66 be unsuitable for a Mojo going up to 180mm unless you always run it reduced to 160mm? Unless Ibis has already made a personal version of the Mojo that can take a 66 happily.
    Yeah, and that looks like 160mm.
    You get the stiffness of the 66 (which is AWESOME) at 160mm.
    The course didn't look too bad, so I think the 5.5" in the back and 6 and a bit in the front were ok.

    I am SOOOO hoping this will spawn a 7inch IBIS freeride bike. 7-7.5" travel... woo-hooooo.
    (just slightly different geo than the Moj)

    Run it with a Roco (WC w/ Ti spring) and a 66ATA (or Totem Air), around 32-35 pounds... holy crap...
    It would slay Whistler and totally ruin my plans to get the new VP Free...

    I said it first! I'm the first in line Scot!!!


    (no better place to try that than the freeride heaven of Alberta and British Columbia, Canada...)
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    Amazing Mojo

    Quote Originally Posted by rkj__
    I say that with the right rider, and maybe a little luck the bike is capable of winning a downhill race. What else is there to say?
    not much ... hard to think about any other bike on the planet that climbs like a 3" XC and can win downhill in some capable hands

    The Mojo IS the ultimate allaround bike

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    Just for perspective

    You can bomb down "that trail" on a hard tail. Heck, I've seen people fly down on a fully rigid. There are smooth lines through the rough sections and it's mostly steep single track so it ain't all that and the Mojo certainly can handle it, no problem.

    I echo others here and hope a longer travel bike results in this collaboration. A 7" Mojo Big Brother would be cool. I was sooo close to getting a 6 Point but the build quality just wasn't up to par with boutique manufacturers like Ibis or Pivot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SCUBAPRO
    You can bomb down Telonics on a hard tail. Heck, I've seen people fly down on a fully rigid. There are smooth lines through the rough sections and it's mostly steep single track so it ain't all that and the Mojo certainly can handle it, no problem.
    You're right, and I think Lopes could win on any bike. That said, has there ever been a bike that excels at so many distinctly different disciplines as the Mojo? You could race cross county, downhill, and endurance on the same bike with slightly different set-ups!
    I'm unique, just like everyone else....

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    Quote Originally Posted by BunnV
    That said, has there ever been a bike that excels at so many distinctly different disciplines as the Mojo? You could race cross county, downhill, and endurance on the same bike with slightly different set-ups!
    You are also correct. I have not seen any other bike in the Ibis line up that is any more versatile but perhaps it is because the Mojo is the only full susser in the Ibis line of mtbs. If there were models with more travel, slacker angles, etc, I'm sure folks would use them accordingly.
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    Derby was right!!

    I have only been monitoring the forum for a few months, but as I recall Derby who is on the forum a lot....was the fellow who said the Ibis could be used for downhill racing...to the dismay of others who said "no way"....Good call Derby.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobAustin
    I have only been monitoring the forum for a few months, but as I recall Derby who is on the forum a lot....was the fellow who said the Ibis could be used for downhill racing...to the dismay of others who said "no way"....Good call Derby.

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    Trust me, Lopes would have won on pretty much any 5" travel bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivet
    Trust me, Lopes would have won on pretty much any 5" travel bike.
    Most likely, but no other 5.5" travel bike could have turned around and climbed to the top keeping pace with a hardtail

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivet
    Trust me, Lopes would have won on pretty much any 5" travel bike.
    Yeah... I guess he's supposed to be pretty good.
    **** censorship

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobAustin
    I have only been monitoring the forum for a few months, but as I recall Derby who is on the forum a lot....was the fellow who said the Ibis could be used for downhill racing...to the dismay of others who said "no way"....Good call Derby.

    bob.
    Good call Bob! derby is sure becoming The Ibis Icon around here! When you think Ibis; think derby.

    I vote derby for Ibis Forum President and Chief Marketing Director!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Davide
    Most likely, but no other 5.5" travel bike could have turned around and climbed to the top keeping pace with a hardtail
    Dunno. I don't think he rode it up the hill:
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    Just tell me why this does NOT surprize me! It was only a matter of time.

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    Would Brian be on a Mojo if it wasnt a great bike?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ibisrox
    Just tell me why this does NOT surprize me!.
    Because ibisrox

    Quote Originally Posted by miles wadsworth
    Would Brian be on a Mojo if it wasnt a great bike?
    Would he be on a Mojo if GT did not drop him? If he stayed with GT would that mean GT makes better bikes?
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    The Mojo is really the holy grail in Full Suspension bike and Carbon Bike.

    If you go through the Ibis forum history, you will find they are very few posts about cracks and if you are having a lot of free time, please go through those posts and you will realise that Ibis has one of the best Customer Service, go Hanssc!!.

    Mojo is a great bike cause its one of the only bike in the world that can be build as a lightweight XC rig and a heavy duty AM bike.

    I think we might see a beefed up Mojo (stronger frame + longer travel) in the near future, if Lopes demands it.

    Maybe its going to be called Mojo LT (Longer Travel), but then SC fans will say Ibis copied their product name. Hmm, Im going to think of a good name for a longer travel Mojo.
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    http://www.transcendmagazine.com/arc...wins-leap.html
    LAGUNA BEACH, California (transcendmagazine.com) -- 4x World Champion Brian Lopes rode his new 6" Ibis freeride bike to a win at the 20th annual Leaping Lizard downhill in Telonics, at Laguna Beach.

    What do you think? Is it posible to mount a longer shock on a standard mojo? or are they wrong?

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    Im amazed that he has a Easton EC90 seatpost on his bike, anyway guess we have to wait for official word from Ibis about Lopes 6" Mojo
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    He's damn good on any bike

    Brain is very good on any bike he rides.I do miss seeing him on the GT. I'm sure he will have a great season on the Ibis bikes

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    Well I still say its a improvement . I say the Mojo looks far better then the GT
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    I'm sure his choice of bike would have made little difference in the results.

    But with that being said, if he didn't make it to the finish line due to equipment failure, I'm sure you'd see a 10 page thread regarding the failure of carbon fiber for less than ideal conditions.

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    I guess so, but the point is, if he is able to complete the season without cracking his Mojo, then this will make a very good example that the Mojo is capable of handling abuse. .

    In another words, Ibis just created the holy grail of All Mountain Bike category.
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    Mojo's frame strength

    I believe it was hanssc who posted a pix of one of their riders test riding the Mojo. The pix showed the rider catching some nice air, hanssc posted that photo to show how they do real trail testing of the Mojo's frame strength!!!!! Of course the Brian will take that testing to a different level. Maybe Brain can comment on his thoughts on his new bike??

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    Quote Originally Posted by sas2
    http://www.transcendmagazine.com/arc...wins-leap.html
    LAGUNA BEACH, California (transcendmagazine.com) -- 4x World Champion Brian Lopes rode his new 6" Ibis freeride bike to a win at the 20th annual Leaping Lizard downhill in Telonics, at Laguna Beach.

    What do you think? Is it posible to mount a longer shock on a standard mojo? or are they wrong?
    What rear shock is pictured here? I suppose it would be a 7.875 x 2.25 instead of the 7.875 x 2'? Would this seem feasible for an AM upgrade for the Std. Mojo?

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    Longer shock....

    Quote Originally Posted by buggymancan
    What rear shock is pictured here? I suppose it would be a 7.875 x 2.25 instead of the 7.875 x 2'? Would this seem feasible for an AM upgrade for the Std. Mojo?
    If I remember right I think Han's said a longer shock would cause rub of the back tire into the seat tube....does anyone else know for sure?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gonzo1034
    What do you have to say now!!!!!
    Its the rider, not the bike???

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    Quote Originally Posted by benja55
    Its the rider, not the bike???
    Not if you are riding the "Holy Grail" - it actually floats over the trail for a super smooth frictionless ride. I'm sure anyone who posted on this thread could beat BL if he was on a GT and you were on a Mojo.
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    Not if you are riding the "Holy Grail" - it actually floats over the trail for a super smooth frictionless ride. I'm sure anyone who posted on this thread could beat BL if he was on a GT and you were on a Mojo.
    Haha, now you are just over exaggerating.
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    Nice air? Here's some, with no less...

    Quote Originally Posted by gonzo1034
    I believe it was hanssc who posted a pix of one of their riders test riding the Mojo. The pix showed the rider catching some nice air, hanssc posted that photo to show how they do real trail testing of the Mojo's frame strength!!!!! Of course the Brian will take that testing to a different level. Maybe Brain can comment on his thoughts on his new bike??

    Got these from Scot some time ago. Said they were taken by Mr. Lopes senior.

    Actually posted these on another thread, but who cares...It's just nice to spread the news...
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    All of the sudden we're focused on the rider and not the Mojo's carbon frame strength!! For the longest time all I heard was how the Mojo's carbon frame will fail if ridden hard on downhill !!! As you can see that's not the case. Having said that lets not get crazy and do Red Bull Rampage on a Mojo, as that takes a very specific bike to due.

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    Wake up

    Don't be so sure you know how many frames that pros ride in a season. Carbon, aluminum or steel. They can break em.

    The real truth will lie in how many Mojos it takes to last Lopes a season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duzitall
    Don't be so sure you know how many frames that pros ride in a season. Carbon, aluminum or steel. They can break em.

    The real truth will lie in how many Mojos it takes to last Lopes a season.
    I would be willing to put money on a number - One.
    (Unless of course Ibis ends up also getting him a custom frame part way through the season)

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    Quote Originally Posted by zzsean
    I would be willing to put money on a number - One.
    (Unless of course Ibis ends up also getting him a custom frame part way through the season)
    I would take you up on that bet IF we had that "Imperical Evidence" that scubapro and derby keep taking about

    I would be surprised if Lopes doesn't get custom frames. The R&D testing that he will provide will be great for the Mojo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duzitall
    I would take you up on that bet IF we had that "Imperical Evidence" that scubapro and derby keep taking about

    I would be surprised if Lopes doesn't get custom frames. The R&D testing that he will provide will be great for the Mojo
    Yeah, we a screwed unless Ibis can provide the "imperical stuff".

    If he gets custom frames throughout the season that would not count the thing I think we are both interested in counting - how many frames he breaks!

    So I'll clarify my guess a little - the number of bikes Lopes uses that he doesn't replace because he breaks or damages so that he needs to or chooses to replace - One

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    Quote Originally Posted by zzsean
    Yeah, we a screwed unless Ibis can provide the "imperical stuff".

    If he gets custom frames throughout the season that would not count the thing I think we are both interested in counting - how many frames he breaks!

    So I'll clarify my guess a little - the number of bikes Lopes uses that he doesn't replace because he breaks or damages so that he needs to or chooses to replace - One
    You'll be wrong. You have absolutely no idea how hard pros ride bikes.
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    I would have to think that a bike strong enough to last a full season under a pro downhill rider would be over built, and thus unnecessarily heavy for the rest of us.

    With a composite construction, it would be really easy for them to add a few extra layers of UHM carbon in a few key areas on his bike and really toughen it up.

    Of course, that is a real stock XT build on those pictures above airing it out.



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    I could well be wrong - But beer is on me at the end of the season if you happen to be in Colorado at one of the mountain states races.

    We can knock back a few in a parking lot sometime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duzitall
    The real truth will lie in how many Mojos it takes to last Lopes a season.
    Now that would be some empirical data derby would be proud of

    But my guess would be just about the same number of GT frames from years past. How many GT bikes did he go through last year? Though I do not think that is public info anyway so no point in discussing that. I do agree that BL's use of the frame should result in future models being better/stronger.
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    Free beers from Sean! I am going to try my hand or is the butt at a couple of Mountain States races this year, of course never raced so I can be a beginner!

    In regards to Custom bikes, perhaps later in the season Brian might get a custom frame but he is going to have what we have for a quite bit, you have to remember is not like that just tack weld a frame together, any kind of design changes take a lot of computer changes, that costs time and money, plus they need to make a new mold, again more time and money, but they may end up having him race a Tranny! So I am pretty sure that he will ride what we ride and of course he is going to have a few extra frames, hell its not he has to buy the frames like us! And if he does tweak some frames then they can make some minor changes to the existing model and we get a better frame, call it evolution of the Mojo.

    Wait he and I share the same name, Brian! Does that mean I ride like him...

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    Quote Originally Posted by pastajet
    Free beers from Sean! I am going to try my hand or is the butt at a couple of Mountain States races this year, of course never raced so I can be a beginner!
    Ahh crap! how can I win at Super D now just because I am on the same bike as Lopes if you are also racing? Now stuff like superior fitness and skill will come into play (and when it comes to fitness I expect to be screwed, as far as skills that will entail some debates over beers after the race )

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    Quote Originally Posted by zzsean
    Ahh crap! how can I win at Super D now just because I am on the same bike as Lopes if you are also racing? Now stuff like superior fitness and skill will come into play (and when it comes to fitness I expect to be screwed, as far as skills that will entail some debates over beers after the race )
    Simple: It should be illegal to race with The Holy Grail-Mojo. It's kinda like doping.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bobAustin
    I have only been monitoring the forum for a few months, but as I recall Derby who is on the forum a lot....was the fellow who said the Ibis could be used for downhill racing...to the dismay of others who said "no way"....Good call Derby.

    bob.
    Yeah....but that would depend on what DH course it is. This has been discussed before . Mojo's are NOT DH bikes....everyone knows that.

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    But but Holy-Grail Mojo doping is sooooooo good!!! I can't live without it ;-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by mordor
    But but Holy-Grail Mojo doping is sooooooo good!!! I can't live without it ;-)
    You must resist or risk enquiry from the congressional doping committee and criticism from Lemond
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    To compare a GT to a Mojo is like comparing a hemerroid to a beautiful womans breasts!
    My buddies GT I-Drive frame broke on a ride in the backcountry and left him with nothing because they wouldn't cover a two year warranty after only 18 months! He now rides a Kona!
    I'm sure Brian likes the Ibis waaaay better anyway, so he probably thinks GT did him a huge favor!

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    I may be wrong but...

    I don't think Lopes GT frames came from the Tiawan factory like the ones they sell and I don't believe his Mojo frames will come from China like the ones Ibis sells.

    But I don't know anything for sure
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    I guess uphill/climbing isn't the bike's strongest asset Just teasing folks...that's a pretty steep trail and I have not seen anyone climb it on a bike.
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    Just to let you know, there is absolutely no bike superior to the Mojo when it comes to Super D....9 SD's on a Mojo and more than a dozen on a 5.5 Intense and a Turner 5 Spot...neither comes close to the handling and ride of the Mojo....it's almost an unfair advantage.

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    Got my attention Mike

    Can you please tell me your SD setup for Mojo? I'm interested in such a build.
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    Current SL
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    I'm waiting on DT's new carbon wheelset & FSA's new K-Force Light 2*9 crankset to replace the XTR's
    As it sits now, with pedals, it weighs an honest 23.3lbs and is plenty tough to run all the MSC Super D's as well as anything the NMBS throws our way.
    With the new wheels and cranks, I expect to approach 22lbs even.
    The old Mojo was essentially the same build with a Fox Float RLC 140 and RP23, it came in at just under 25lbs

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeyp
    Just to let you know, there is absolutely no bike superior to the Mojo when it comes to Super D....9 SD's on a Mojo and more than a dozen on a 5.5 Intense and a Turner 5 Spot...neither comes close to the handling and ride of the Mojo....it's almost an unfair advantage.
    That statement is relative to the course. Super D's are not created equal. Have you done and won the Bootleg Canyon Super D on it?
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    I have not, but.....the Angel Fire MSC Super D last year was commonly referred to as "the toughest course yet", guys were running full blown DH bikes on it, with full pads. That course was labeled "light dh", and I won that on my Mojo....no mods.

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    Thanks Mike

    Carbon parts and carbon bits on a carbon frame has occupied too many of my thoughts lately. Those FSA carbon cranks really look good. My financial future got a little brighter today so it my be my turn soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeyp
    I have not, but.....the Angel Fire MSC Super D last year was commonly referred to as "the toughest course yet", guys were running full blown DH bikes on it, with full pads. That course was labeled "light dh", and I won that on my Mojo....no mods.
    Good for you, congrats on your success! What category did you race in? Maybe you can get Ibis to sponsor you one of these days.
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    30-39 class, my time would have placed me 4th in the open/pro mens class out of 32 racers....and it is ALL the Mojo, trust me.

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    (X-threading here with the 2008 XT Wheelset thread)

    I really don't know what I'm more impressed with, if it's the XT wheels or the Ibis Mojo, because Brian is always impressive, although I always thought the XT wheels were bomb-proof, after this I'm having a totally different concept about them! Man, they are STRONG! Suddenly I'm even more in love with my XTR wheelset... But I'm sure I'm gonna go XT on my next spec'ing. And maybe a Mojo too...

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    Wow

    Quote Originally Posted by ibisrox
    To compare a GT to a Mojo is like comparing a hemerroid to a beautiful womans breasts!
    My buddies GT I-Drive frame broke on a ride in the backcountry and left him with nothing because they wouldn't cover a two year warranty after only 18 months! He now rides a Kona!
    I'm sure Brian likes the Ibis waaaay better anyway, so he probably thinks GT did him a huge favor!

    You are totally correct . When he rode for GT he must have been forced to sign the contract. I'm sure Ibis frames have never broke? Jill is pretty good too. That's right she rides one of those crappy GT's. Maybe she was also forced to sign with GT?

    You should have talked your friend into a IBIS not a Kona.He needs to sell that Kona and get him self a real bike

    I have to say the MOJO is a sweet looking bike.

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    Ibisrox lighten up, Just having a bit of fun. I think what ever bike a person feels the most comfortable on and it's in his or hers price range should be the bike they purchase.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeyp
    30-39 class, my time would have placed me 4th in the open/pro mens class out of 32 racers....and it is ALL the Mojo, trust me.
    Mikey, perhaps you are being a bit modest? It sounds like you have been racing SuperD for a while and it could very well be that you are getting better and a much better rider than when you were on your previous bikes with outdated components. Otherwise, anybody who buys a Mojo and races SuperD will automatically win. In that case, the Mojo should be illegal as it gives too much advantage to the rider.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wheelhot
    Go Mojo! Go Mojo! Its your birthday..... Hahahahahah
    wheelhot, which Mojo do you own again? Just wondering what the spec is on yours. Post a pic when you get a chance.
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    That's my story and I'm sticking to it.....buy a Mojo, race Super D...and win!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeyp
    That's my story and I'm sticking to it.....buy a Mojo, race Super D...and win!
    I believe your story!

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    wheelhot, which Mojo do you own again? Just wondering what the spec is on yours. Post a pic when you get a chance.
    Hahahaha, its funny right that Im acting like a Mojo Fanboy although I haven even own the bike yet . Im loving the Mojo community in MTBR and I just simply betting all my assets (literally) that the Mojo is the bike closest to the holy-grail of all-mountain bike category.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wheelhot
    Hahahaha, its funny right that Im acting like a Mojo Fanboy although I haven even own the bike yet . Im loving the Mojo community in MTBR and I just simply betting all my assets (literally) that the Mojo is the bike closest to the holy-grail of all-mountain bike category.
    Have you at least ridden one? (not flaming, just asking)
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    Well if I see one, I will ride one thats for sure.

    I own a Anthem which uses Maestro (another variant of DW-Link) so I got the general idea of how good the Mojo can be, since many riders say DW-Link and Maestro perform almost the same except for a few differences.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wheelhot
    Well if I see one, I will ride one thats for sure.

    I own a Anthem which uses Maestro (another variant of DW-Link) so I got the general idea of how good the Mojo can be, since many riders say DW-Link and Maestro perform almost the same except for a few differences.
    Cool! Sounds like you really like your Giant.
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    Cool! Sounds like you really like your Giant.
    I like my Giant but I like the Ibis even more .

    Some of my reasons are cuz of the great CS and a bike that can do almost everything (LightXC to Heavy AM).

    Hmm, thats the only 2 reasons I can find right now but I know I got more . Oh yeah and the great community riders in this forum
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    http://bikemag.com/features/onlineex...s_quiver_ibis/
    Just tell me to shut up if someone has already posted this, but I donít have time to look through all the threads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EGF168
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    Just tell me to shut up if someone has already posted this, but I donít have time to look through all the threads.
    Oh no you just did it...everyone will now be getting rid of their big ring and sport a carbon bash and a chain guide. Oh and maybe a custom Roco air.
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    Knew that was a bad idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wheelhot

    Mojo is a great bike cause its one of the only bike in the world that can be build as a lightweight XC rig and a heavy duty AM bike.

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    Should I keep going?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Universe

    Should I keep going?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Universe
    Norco Fluid LT
    Norco Fluid
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    Should I keep going?
    I don't normally get into these arguments as there is hardly ever a correct answer, and there isn't in this case. I do agree there are a few bikes on your list and the 575 mentioned that can be a 25lbs XC rig and 32lbs AM bike and work really well in both modes. You also missed off a Nicolai Helius, great bike!

    As for the Mojo, you will find many examples here ranging from 22lbs to 32lbs and the bike handles them all amazingly well!

    However I can not see how you could ever say that a Nomad or Enduro (both great bike for their application) could be built up as a light weight XC bike??
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    Well its possible with Spesh Enduro SL, but I dont see possible for Nomad, a lightweight build will make it unrideable because of the geometry.
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    rubbish tyres and light wheels will bring the nomads weigh down. Most end up about 32lb with a build thats sensible for the travel. Build some of the above bikes lighter and it then defeats the purpose.

    I had an Intense Tracer (old vsn) buil it two ways at 25lb and about 29.Want to guess which build rode the best? Just because you can doesn't mean you should

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    Yeah, the issue about light weight defeats its purpose is true, but as you see, in the Mojo case this bike has a very neutral geometry, it is good in either build (lightweight vs heavy), the Enduro SL, Nomad or other Aggressive All Mountain bikes (esp those with aggressive geometry or odd geometry) cannot be made lighter because it will ruin its geometry which will make the bike unrideable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wheelhot
    Well its possible with Spesh Enduro SL, but I dont see possible for Nomad, a lightweight build will make it unrideable because of the geometry.
    <sarc> Yea that's totally what Mark Weir told me </sarc>

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    Whatever your take on Lopes, Ibis, the Mojo and its DH or non-DH worthiness, there's a great new DVD that was just released over in the UK titled 3Focus with an entire chapter of Lopes racing both the Mojo and Tranny in World Cup events. It also has a bit of a short trail riding session with him ripping the Mojo as well as footage later in the film winning the Air DH at Whistler.

    The DVD as a whole is one of the better ones that has covered the '08 WC DH season so far and the cinematography rivals that of anything Clay Porter or The Earthed duo's been putting out. Great stoke for the snow months.

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    I like the GT's but the Ibis is a Sweeeeet bike.

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    Facts at long last

    Somehow no-one has linked this entry from another thread. It comes from Brian Lope's suspension guru. It is the best entry of any thread about the Mojo. Read and enjoy:

    Well here's the real story, since I build all Brians suspension personally. The shocks are stock length, 200 x 50mm. He has roughly 6 bikes at any given time and everyone is built up a little different, all colors.

    One bike is his "dh" bike. It has a LL damping, coil rear shock, 55 ATA fork with RC3 damper (160mm, 5.9lb). He has had this bike custom made with off-set headset cups in the frame to get the 67 headangle. This bike is not availible. He runs the same size tires front and rear, El Moco front, Small block (trimmed) rear. 29lbs! (this is the bike he won A-Line on). It is simpily sick how fast he descends on this bike.

    He has has a few frames with extra carbon wrap on the rear ends but is going back to stock frames...since he's a wieght freak and has had no frame issues all year even with the stock wrap.

    He has an SL built up with a 140mm (15mm axle) fork that's weighes a nice lively 26lbs and small change last time I checked. I'm sure he is working on making it lighter some how...he loves his bikes! He has a ROCO LO shock on it.

    No custom shock mounts, all standard geometery except for one frame.

    Then there's his Tranny, rediculously light for a Slalom bike / BMX bike. Incredible ride!! It has a stock 44 ATA 15mm fork.



    I also have a Mojo, 29.2lbs, all air, ROCO TST Air, and 55ATA, RC3 (not availible), Gravity dropper seatpost, XTR drivetrain, XT tubeless wheels. It has to be the nicest bike I have ever ridden in this catagory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ridnparadise
    Somehow no-one has linked this entry from another thread. It comes from Brian Lope's suspension guru. It is the best entry of any thread about the Mojo. Read and enjoy:
    Ridn,

    That's some great insight.

    I think the point of the Mojo as a trailbike vs. DH bike comes down to the person employed to race it in such a manner. Obviously, 99.99% of the people out there can't ride like Brian Lopes, read: smooth. But that's what gets everyone stoked to ride and push themselves, which I think is great.

    Pretty much any bike can be ridden as such, but I think you're taking a huge gamble as to whether or not it will hold up in the long run. A good friend of mine works at one of the local Ibis dealers and supposedly there's some guy dirt jumping his Mojo SL, which subsequently broke on him. I don't know the guy who broke his frame or the history behind his bike, but I know the DJ park where he was getting his jump on and I really wouldn't want to take a mountainbike there, let alone my Mojo. Of course, he's trying to get it warrantied. Is he justified to do so? Maybe.

    I think I've written this before, but I think that if Ibis is going to publish images of Lopes ripping it up on his Mojo and Tranny they're going to have to come up with a good plan to handle all the Average Joe riders having potential problems with their bikes when they go out and try to copy him. The drawback to all of this for the rest of us could potentially be higher prices. Right now the Mojo is priced at the max amount (IMO) for a boutique, made in taiwan carbon frame and is a bit cheaper than some of the other boutique frame prices for '09. If Ibis starts dealing with a huge influx of broken frames to warranty (or not) they'll have to make up for it somewhere.

    Again, this is just my opinion and speculation.

    Having said all that, it would be nice if they upped the ante and put out a Mojo or similar with carbon reinforcement wrap, slacker HA, what-have-you as another burlier option. Maybe something spec'd with a Cane Creek Double Barrel. Right now (IMO) the numbers, with the exception of the steep HA, are spot on for a decent light DH-ish bike. The low BB and how well the bike corners would translate into a great endurance DH bike if it had a few tweaks. Running a TALAS 150mm 15QR slackened the HA out a bit, and still kept the BB well below 14inches. I can only imagine how nice this bike would feel with a 67 degree HA along with the super low front end the Mojo offers.

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    uhm, not so impressive considering that Lopes lives at the top of that trail. And being that he is usually one of the only true top pros to race that race, should win it on a hardtail really..... Not trying to stir the pot, just giving that facts.

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    uhm, not so impressive considering that Lopes lives at the top of that trail. And being that he is usually one of the only true top pros to race that race, should win it on a hardtail really..... Not trying to stir the pot, just giving that facts.
    Here's some facts rockit, not one:
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    It appears than Brian Lopes has had a more busy year than most realise, although probably less busy than in th past. His bikes are described in the previous link and are pretty much stock and intact by the sound of things.

    It would seem that apart from isolated cases, the body of evidence supports the Mojo and SL as soundly engineered.

    slc it is hard to argue with what you are saying, but you are representing a very 2000's notion that the potential liabilities (read claims not yet incurred but implied) whether in terms of physical issues with the frame, or intended use are more important than available fact.

    No-one can stop people riding beyond the limit and it is just as likely on an intermediate single track with a really light setup as letting it rip on a UCI DH course. "Talent" vrs circumstance is more often than not a significant contribution to disaster involving component failure.

    Add that to our collective, positive experiences on this forum, Ibis' statement that they do not recommend the bike for DH and the fact that all forms of MTB are potentially dangerous and may not be realistically insurable anytime anyway and isn't this whole pissing contest a bit of a joke.

    The bike is cool even with the current geometry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockit
    uhm, not so impressive considering that Lopes lives at the top of that trail. And being that he is usually one of the only true top pros to race that race, should win it on a hardtail really..... Not trying to stir the pot, just giving that facts.
    Well, you don't know what the phuck you are talking about.

    Kevin Aiello, Yeti sponsored, probably the fastest junior in the country.
    Joe Lawill recent Masters Downhill world champion and still fast against pros in Fontana.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ridnparadise
    slc it is hard to argue with what you are saying, but you are representing a very 2000's notion that the potential liabilities (read claims not yet incurred but implied) whether in terms of physical issues with the frame, or intended use are more important than available fact.

    No-one can stop people riding beyond the limit and it is just as likely on an intermediate single track with a really light setup as letting it rip on a UCI DH course. "Talent" vrs circumstance is more often than not a significant contribution to disaster involving component failure.

    Add that to our collective, positive experiences on this forum, Ibis' statement that they do not recommend the bike for DH and the fact that all forms of MTB are potentially dangerous and may not be realistically insurable anytime anyway and isn't this whole pissing contest a bit of a joke.

    The bike is cool even with the current geometry.
    Ridn,

    Well I do agree with you. What I was trying to get at with all that text, particularly in my last paragraph, was simply that it would be nice if Ibis released another version of the Mojo that followed the geo of what they had built up special for BL. I think that would clear up some of the misconceptions, mainly perceived, about the ability or inability of Mojo you and I have access to.
    I really like the feel and handling of my current Mojo but it has a bit slacker HA than most due to my using a slightly taller fork. In a perfect world it would be nice to have an option with a 68 or even a 67 degree HA and some more carbon reinforcements where Ibis felt it necessary. I just really prefer the stability of a slacker HA, but that just boils down to personal preference. I also prefer a low BB which the Mojo already has and adds to it's stability IMO.
    Again this is just all a big wish on my part. Right now there isn't a decent 5.5in bike made with a slack HA (that I'm aware of) unless you start getting into slope style frames and super short seat tubes which aren't good trail bikes for tall guys unless you want to use a mile of seat post.
    I actually do think what Ibis and Lopes are doing with all of this is great. The idea of racing light DH on a trail bike is obviously the wave of the future given the popularity of Downieville, the Avalanche series over in Europe, etc. Again, just a wish, with Lopes pimping the Mojo in this way it would be nice to see Ibis build on what he's doing and put out another frame option with a couple minor tweaks.

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    I'd bet money that Ibis are doing their 'homework' with BL on the frames and angles, personally. After all, it would be crazy not to get input from the worlds best on development of the Ibis, that's what R&D is all about.
    For me, i'm very happy with the current setup as far as the angles go, it's hard to imagine a sweeter handling AM frame....but I just bet Ibis have some developments up their sleeve...


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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeyp
    That's my story and I'm sticking to it.....buy a Mojo, race Super D...and win!
    I'm new to the forums, so call me a newb, but maybe you can quantify this for me. It sounds to me like you need to step out of the Ibis Kool Aid spaceship... Universe provided a substantial list of other very capable bikes, all of which could be argued to be just as good, if not BETTER than the Ibis.

    Based on your logic a pair of Nike Air Jordans will make you win at basketball since Michael Jordan wears them. I'm guessing you also drink PowerThirst (if you don't know what I'm talking about click on this link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRuNxHqwazs)

    Seriously, you lose all credibility in my mind for making statements like that.
    Get Up You Woman!

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