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    Anyone running a 150mm Pike on their Ripley?

    I just built up my new small Ripley last week with a 140mm Fox 34. I am extremely underwhelmed by the fork. It seems to be holding a great bike back. I'm thinking of selling it and getting a Pike. I would greatly appreciate feed back from those who have a Pike. If I don't sell the Fox, I will definitely be sending it off to Push.
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    I have the 140mm pike on my Ripley and its pretty good, it feels a bit "dead" at first but it maintains good tractionand its not really dead just composed. Its also a lot stiffer that the X fusion 34mm. The x fusion felt a bit shetchy, or popy as in not composed.

    If you want a more trailbike feel go for the 150mm as my Ripley is a tad nervous on rougher trails with the 140. Just a caveat Ibis does not recommend 150 on the Ripley.

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    Thanks motoguru.
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    I'm running a 150mm / 120mm dual air Pike on my Ripley and love it. Lighter than the Fox 24 and excellent damping. 120mm travel gives short C-A for steep pitches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark2c View Post
    I'm running a 150mm / 120mm dual air Pike on my Ripley and love it. Lighter than the Fox 24 and excellent damping. 120mm travel gives short C-A for steep pitches.
    I have the same Pike on my new small Ripley, but can't give any ride report yet. Will do my first ride tomorrow. I was going to get x-fusion Trace, but its still not available. I am actually happy for ending up with Pike. I don't do aggressive ride and jumps, but when riding Downieville, I bet 150mm will be really fun (going to Downie again in 2 weeks).

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    Quote Originally Posted by tortfeasor View Post
    I just built up my new small Ripley last week with a 140mm Fox 34. I am extremely underwhelmed by the fork. It seems to be holding a great bike back. I'm thinking of selling it and getting a Pike. I would greatly appreciate feed back from those who have a Pike. If I don't sell the Fox, I will definitely be sending it off to Push.
    Been running the 2014 TALAS 140 for over 2 months, and I like the fork a lot and think it complements the Ripley quite nicely. The new TALAS and updated CTD and air spring have dramatically improved the fork.

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    What year Fox, if it's not a 2014, you might want to look at getting the 2014 internals for around $70. Hell of a lot cheaper and all the reviews I've read say the 2014 internals are much better.
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    It's a 2013. That's a great idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tortfeasor View Post
    It's a 2013. That's a great idea.
    Get the new internals. Having ridden a 2014 TALAS and 2013 TALAS back to back several times, the 2014 is worlds ahead of the old one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pastajet View Post
    Get the new internals. Having ridden a 2014 TALAS and 2013 TALAS back to back several times, the 2014 is worlds ahead of the old one.
    You should really wait until 2016 and then get the internals.
    We've been hearing X year is better than Y year for 8 years now, and the TALAS still seems to be a POS.
    So, in 3 years from now the internals will be GALAXIES better instead of worlds better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by d-bug View Post
    You should really wait until 2016 and then get the internals.
    We've been hearing X year is better than Y year for 8 years now, and the TALAS still seems to be a POS.
    So, in 3 years from now the internals will be GALAXIES better instead of worlds better.
    Wow, harsh, sorry I used the word 'worlds'.

    Been riding forks since the RockShox RS-1, so I have ridden quite a few forks during my biking tenure. I have tested and used various iterations of the FOX TALAS, FLOAT and VAN forks over the years. While I have always liked the adjustable features of the TALAS, it always had some issues that I just accepted as minor compromises. Over the last several years FOX has been adding some small updates and changes which helped but did not solve those problems. They added better seals, Kashima coating, upgraded damper and internals, etc., and to me, doing back to back comparisons, the changes were discernible, though not in a drastic sense.

    The new TALAS is very FLOAT like. The travel is smooth and supple, without any of the drag issues of its predecessor, and has noticeably less stiction throughout the stroke.

    Sorry you consider the TALAS POS. I'll be the first to admit the pre-2014 TALAS had issues (not enough to be called a POS), but the 2014 TALAS is a substantial upgrade and overall great fork IMHO, and its been a great addition to my Ripley.

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    Sorry, my comments weren't meant to question your credibility.
    I've just seen year after year reviews say this year is better than last, and then frieds buy it and hate it, selling it for a RS or converting it to float. So I am way skeptical on any review on the talas.

    I rode a float for the first time yesterday in 5+ years while demoing a ripley. It was the first time in years that I had to come to a stop on my usual DH run because of hand fatigue. IMO, the OP is right by saying the fox is holding back the bike's potential.

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    Quote Originally Posted by d-bug View Post
    You should really wait until 2016 and then get the internals.
    We've been hearing X year is better than Y year for 8 years now, and the TALAS still seems to be a POS.
    So, in 3 years from now the internals will be GALAXIES better instead of worlds better.
    Where were you last year oh wise one? I read a ton of criticism of the 2013 Fox's. They tried something new with the CTD and got it wrong. Admitted and improved it.
    it's one reason I bought a 2012 used and sold my 2013.
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    The Pike's are butter butter butter -- when an option we are putting them on all our builds right now. Ask me how many brand new bikes I can't sell right now because they have a broken out of the box 2014 Talas. Actually don't ask me, I'm not happy about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaj View Post
    The Pike's are butter butter butter -- when an option we are putting them on all our builds right now. Ask me how many brand new bikes I can't sell right now because they have a broken out of the box 2014 Talas. Actually don't ask me, I'm not happy about it.
    Wow, bummer, first I have heard of that. Been hitting mine (2014 TALAS) hard for 2.5 months now, 3x a week, rock gardens, bike parks, etc., and it's still running fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaj View Post
    The Pike's are butter butter butter -- when an option we are putting them on all our builds right now. Ask me how many brand new bikes I can't sell right now because they have a broken out of the box 2014 Talas. Actually don't ask me, I'm not happy about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pastajet View Post
    Wow, bummer, first I have heard of that. Been hitting mine (2014 TALAS) hard for 2.5 months now, 3x a week, rock gardens, bike parks, etc., and it's still running fine.
    It's not 100% failure rate, closer to 5% I would guess. So 95% of people will have no issue with regular maintenance. But when you sell a lot of them like I do, I get to see the 5%... The fact they are broken is not even the issue. It's that Fox won't send me parts to fix them, I have to send the forks back to Fox. Rock Shox sends me parts. Why should bikes be unrideable for 2 to 3 weeks because they need a part that can be mailed out in 24 hours? Ask Fox.
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    Anyone running a 150mm Pike on their Ripley?

    I've ordered a Pike 150/120 for my XL.


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    had a talas on my mojo HD.. got rid of it. Had an rp23 too, got rid of it... I've slowly moved away from fox in general. I like the rock shox stuff, an I recently tried the trace 140 on my ripley.. feels just like my lyrik (only with a few mm less travel) I wanted a pike, but couldn't justify paying 1000 when the trace costs 580.. I have about 100 hard miles on my ripley an trace an I'm blowing all my descent times on my MOJO HD out of the water..
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    Anyone running a 150mm Pike on their Ripley?

    Had to wait three months for the Pike, then a 46mm offset model turned up... Sent it back but the is a 3,5 month delivery time for a 51mm offset around here right now. Bummer. Snow is falling.


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    Quote Originally Posted by simenf View Post
    Had to wait three months for the Pike, then a 46mm offset model turned up... Sent it back but the is a 3,5 month delivery time for a 51mm offset around here right now. Bummer. Snow is falling.


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    that seems really high. I've seen them go for hundreds cheaper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redmr2_man View Post
    that seems really high. I've seen them go for hundreds cheaper.
    It is for sale in the land of the free market & no one has to buy it.

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    Anyone running a 150mm Pike on their Ripley?

    I've already ordered a new one. Thanks


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    I'm running the Pike 140 coming from a Fox Talas 140/110. Huge improvement going with the Pike IMO. Lighter, Stiffer, Superior Performance. Been riding it for a few months. I actually just shimmed mine down 7mm to 133mm and really like it where it's at now. I felt like the front end was almost a little too high at 140mm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RiverSurfer View Post
    I'm running the Pike 140 coming from a Fox Talas 140/110. Huge improvement going with the Pike IMO. Lighter, Stiffer, Superior Performance. Been riding it for a few months. I actually just shimmed mine down 7mm to 133mm and really like it where it's at now. I felt like the front end was almost a little too high at 140mm.
    was your fox talas a 2013 or 2014? I ended up going with the new talas 2014 which has a completely different damper, seal, compression rates then the much hated 2013's. I'd much rather have the dual air 150mm and be able to adjust to 120mm with xc racing and have an extra 10mm for bombing the downhills, but worry about that giant 'lever' on my new rip's head tube flexing alway. Does the ibis warranty state a specific fork for warranty? I've been reading that the new 2014 fox damper is leaps and bounds ahead of the older versions and compete with the rockshox.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RiverSurfer View Post
    I'm running the Pike 140 coming from a Fox Talas 140/110. Huge improvement going with the Pike IMO. Lighter, Stiffer, Superior Performance. Been riding it for a few months. I actually just shimmed mine down 7mm to 133mm and really like it where it's at now. I felt like the front end was almost a little too high at 140mm.
    How did you shim down the Pike? I thought it would interfere with the ports? Would be useful to know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pastajet View Post
    Get the new internals. Having ridden a 2014 TALAS and 2013 TALAS back to back several times, the 2014 is worlds ahead of the old one.
    Super dumb question here, but are the 2014 internals easy to find? I do my own fork maintenance and would like to just order the internals and drop them into my 2013 Float.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neilether View Post
    Super dumb question here, but are the 2014 internals easy to find? I do my own fork maintenance and would like to just order the internals and drop them into my 2013 Float.
    call fox and you get an upgrade for less than $100 and will be set! its all plug and play if you have the old talas, the float versions I don't think are compatible

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    Quote Originally Posted by simenf View Post
    How did you shim down the Pike? I thought it would interfere with the ports? Would be useful to know.
    Same question. Everything I have heard is that the pike is not shimmable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thorkild View Post
    Same question. Everything I have heard is that the pike is not shimmable.
    [QUOTE]Two air spring Pikes are available, the Solo Air which is featured here, or the Dual Position Solo Air. The Dual Position gives 30mm of adjustability, to help climbing by lowering the height of the front end of the bike when inclines get steep. The Solo Air fork is also supplied with a pair of red plastic spacers named ‘Bottomless Tokens’ that are for installing into the air chamber (a very simple process) which reduces the size of air volume for a more progressive feel. We didn’t feel the need to use them.[/QUOTE


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    [QUOTE=alias33;10780136]
    Two air spring Pikes are available, the Solo Air which is featured here, or the Dual Position Solo Air. The Dual Position gives 30mm of adjustability, to help climbing by lowering the height of the front end of the bike when inclines get steep. The Solo Air fork is also supplied with a pair of red plastic spacers named ‘Bottomless Tokens’ that are for installing into the air chamber (a very simple process) which reduces the size of air volume for a more progressive feel. We didn’t feel the need to use them.[/QUOTE


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    I don't think that using the 'Bottomless Tokens' actually reduces the axle to crown height. From reading that, installing those tokens makes the spring more progressive due to reduced air volume, but the fork is still a 140mm fork. Reading the OP this is referring to, it sounds as though he was able to reduce the actual travel and axle to crown height by 7mm, effectively lowering the front end 7mm. They are wondering how he accomplished this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alias33 View Post
    call fox and you get an upgrade for less than $100 and will be set! its all plug and play if you have the old talas, the float versions I don't think are compatible
    Bummer. I do have a 2013 Float.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simenf View Post
    How did you shim down the Pike? I thought it would interfere with the ports? Would be useful to know.
    Part number is 11.4018.026.000 - Its actually the air shaft assembly. Part list says its for 2014 26" 160mm and 27.5 150mm. It definitely works with the 2014 Pike 140mm 29. Dropped it down approx. 7mm.

    Update: After 2 rides on the new air shaft assembly the fork has settled to approximately 130mm, not 133mm as originally measured.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RiverSurfer View Post
    Part number is 11.4018.026.000 - Its actually the air shaft assembly. Part list says its for 2014 26" 160mm and 27.5 150mm. It definitely works with the 2014 Pike 140mm 29. Dropped it down approx. 7mm.

    Update: After 2 rides on the new air shaft assembly the fork has settled to approximately 130mm, not 133mm as originally measured.
    Thanks - useful info!
    Not what I'd call shimming in my book when you have to change the shaft, but a handy option to shorten the travel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RiverSurfer View Post
    Part number is 11.4018.026.000 - Its actually the air shaft assembly. Part list says its for 2014 26" 160mm and 27.5 150mm. It definitely works with the 2014 Pike 140mm 29. Dropped it down approx. 7mm.

    Update: After 2 rides on the new air shaft assembly the fork has settled to approximately 130mm, not 133mm as originally measured.
    Riversurfer, I'd like your opinion. I'm "stuck" with two bikes I love: a hardtail 29er and 2005 Spec' Enduro. I'm pushing 20 mile single track loops on my hardtail but there are several great areas along the loop where the bike is overwhelmed. My Enduro is awesome on these areas but too much bike for me to lug around the long loop. The areas include short steep out of the saddle lunges up technical rocky/rooty climbs up boulders, then it's behind the saddle on the backsides with lot's of compression on the transition. Lot's of slow technical stuff, some slow 3' drops. I don't take much air. I'm looking at the Ripley as a "do-all" replace both bike. But I'm concerned I'll feel like I"m going over the bars at the bottom of the short descents. I test rode a large (all they had) Ripley with a Fox 120 and felt too far over the front wheel - I'd definitely go with the XL.

    Sounds like you've dialed your suspension in just were you like it. You're liking the Pike 140 and have further tweaked the bar height by decreasing the axle to crown on the 140 by making it ultametly a 130mm travel fork.

    Would you recommend I try the Ripley starting with the Pike 140? Or is this bike just not meant for behind the saddle steeps? I think I'll like the stiffness of the 35mm stanchion and may not need the full 140mm. I'm thinking I could follow what you did by lowering the front end If I'm wondering on the ups...

    Just looking for an informed opinion before dropping the cake. Any other taller riders (simenf?) have an opinion on the Ripley feeling small on the steeps?

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    Oaktree,

    I just got back from riding my Ripley all weekend in Southern Utah near Zion's and St. George. I just switched my drive train over to xx1 and am really liking it coming from xx. I think xx1 is the way to go. I'm 6', 195lbs, and ride a large with a 75mm stem and wide handle bars. I am also using a KHS dropper which I like for the steeps. I haven't had any issues going over the front end on ledge type steeps with the bike. I did endo hard yesterday though trying to go up a 2.5 foot ledge step up at the bottom of a slope where I gained speed and didn't pull up at the right time...I flipped so fast I barely got my hand out and avoided giving myself a texas smile on the ledge at least but smashed my chin up. Clearly only rider error to blame there.

    The Ripley is relatively light, very stiff, and has a short wheel base which is nice for negotiating tight and or techy switchbacks. I also really enjoy the bike at speed on chunk and going up and down ledges and drops. It handles the tech stuff great and has enough travel to take what you throw at it while still being a very nice xc frame. I think it bridges xc and all mountain nicely. All you really have to do is change the tires around depending on what you are going to be riding. I'm running a 2.35 Hans Dampf in the front and a Nobby Nick 2.25 in the back at the moment. I could speed the bike up going to a smaller tire in the front for sure but I like the Hans Dampf for the kind of riding I do and don't mind the extra weight penalty it carries on the uphills. I also haven't been able to destroy the tire yet.

    I don't know if the Ripley is a good replacement for a xc hard tail for serious xc racing on smooth and fast trails but for endurance racing it might be a good option. It is definitely an amazing and versatile bike. I am also a huge fan of the DW linkage. I think it works amazingly well on the ups and downs. I typically run my fox shock in the fully open position as it performs so well going up I hardly ever mess with the lockout or trail positions on the damper.

    The Pike will probably help a bit on the front end if you felt like you were going over the top on slow drops. I have never tried the Ripley with a 120mm fork so I can't really provide a good comparison. I do love the Pike fork and would recommend trying it at 140 before you drop it down just to see how you like it.

    I also have 2 bikes like you but my other bike is a 27.5 Turner Burner. They are both built up with exactly the same components and to be honest I tend to have more fun on the Burner than my Ripley on Southern Utah trails (Moab and St. George) even though it has a longer wheel base and is heavier. 27.5 feels more flickable in the air to me so depending on what kind of riding you are doing it can be a lot of fun. In contrast however I live in Northern Utah and therefore spend more time riding in the mountains and usually favor the Ripley on mountain trails with longer, prolonged climbs etc.

    Sorry for the ramble. I would find a Ripley with a 140 fork on it and see if you like it or demo an xl frame but I really don't think you can go wrong with the Ripley.

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    RiverSurfer, I once had a 26" hardtail that love tipping me ass over tea kettle so your experience with the Pike is reassuring.

    And I contacted Ibis and they were literally starting to gear up their demo touring van, sounds like they plan to include the XLs and hope to have both shock options to boot.

    I'll be checking the schedule again next month, I'm outside of Boston and the local dealers don't tend to stock XLs. I'm 6'2" 215lbs.

    I hope your chin feels better. I'm working on integrating an airbag system into the mtn bike stem cause that's my favorite place to jam my knee when I take a header (just kidding)

    Per the original thread, I asked Ibis about the 150 to 120 Pike on the Ripley and they don't recommend it. And regarding adjusting the dual air down to their 140 recommendation they said its likely not as easy as adjusting the travel in the solo air.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oaktree View Post
    RiverSurfer, I once had a 26" hardtail that love tipping me ass over tea kettle so your experience with the Pike is reassuring.

    And I contacted Ibis and they were literally starting to gear up their demo touring van, sounds like they plan to include the XLs and hope to have both shock options to boot.

    I'll be checking the schedule again next month, I'm outside of Boston and the local dealers don't tend to stock XLs. I'm 6'2" 215lbs.

    I hope your chin feels better. I'm working on integrating an airbag system into the mtn bike stem cause that's my favorite place to jam my knee when I take a header (just kidding)

    Per the original thread, I asked Ibis about the 150 to 120 Pike on the Ripley and they don't recommend it. And regarding adjusting the dual air down to their 140 recommendation they said its likely not as easy as adjusting the travel in the solo air.
    I'm surprised by this, the Pike is known to have a shorter AC measurement, from everything I read it's within a few mm of a 140 Fox and since that's whats speced on the Ripley I can't see why the 150 Pike wouldn't work just fine.

    Did they tell you why?
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    I've called them twice in the last few months, they actually pick up the phone and are friendly. Drop them a line...and let us know what they said!
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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoTone View Post
    I'm surprised by this, the Pike is known to have a shorter AC measurement, from everything I read it's within a few mm of a 140 Fox and since that's whats speced on the Ripley I can't see why the 150 Pike wouldn't work just fine.

    Did they tell you why?
    Why would I? I was looking at a Ripley but I'm going in a different direction. Bottom line a bike is designed around a certain AC measurement. There are many people posting about their experiences running a 150 Pike vs. a 140 Fox with no ill effects. The frame doesn't care what the travel is, it cares what the AC measurement is.
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    Idea!

    Any more experiences with Pike Dual Air?

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    I've got a pike solo air 140 on order for my ripley, its more than enough for the riding I do and I can still rip some xc races on it without feeling like the travel is sucking up my energy up hills and still be able to keep the front end low and responsive. Plus I like the more simple design of solo air. Plus no one has answered the question if shortening the travel via dual air ramps up the spring rate or not on the pikes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by alias33 View Post
    I've got a pike solo air 140 on order for my ripley, its more than enough for the riding I do and I can still rip some xc races on it without feeling like the travel is sucking up my energy up hills and still be able to keep the front end low and responsive. Plus I like the more simple design of solo air. Plus no one has answered the question if shortening the travel via dual air ramps up the spring rate or not on the pikes?
    I believe I read it close to the same at the lower position, but keep in mind the lower position is a climb only.
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    Pike dual air on my Ripley XL is a sweet fork and the dual travel is very nice to have for climbs and steep descents.

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    Just noticed that mine needed about two months of riding before loosing the rough inital feel and excessive stiction.

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    I wanted to revive this thread and see if there are any more recent opinions/info on this... I love the 140 Pike I'm currently running but would like a bit more travel if a 150 is not to unbalanced with the 120mm rear...
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    I've had a dual air Pike 120/150mm long term in Wellington, New Zealand. Love it. Spends most of its time in 150 despite the steep uphills. Highly recommened by me.

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    Anyone running a 150mm Pike on their Ripley?

    I am very happy with my DPA, but I would not choose a Solo Air 150. Even if it climbs ok and the geometry difference from the 120-setting is not massive, it would compromise the climbing too much for me. A 130 or 140 is a much better allround option. Besides, the difference from a 140 would be minimal. I got the DPA to have the best of both, and it works. Running 120 psi for my 76-77kg ready to ride.


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    Agreed, Simen. 120mm is bliss when you need it and is a massive difference from 150mm.

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