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    Any Updates on the Ripley?

    Anyone know more about potential availability? I heard this summer like around July/August.

    I have a Tallboy that I'm not unhappy with, but I tried the DW Link in the Pivot 429 and definitely prefer it to the VPP Suspension.
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    The new 29er from Ibis is the "Ripley", and it is supposed to be here in spring of 2012. I don't know when an order can be placed for them, but perhaps Ibis will ensure that they have plenty of bikes available and in the pipeline before taking orders. They didn't much like the SL-R debacle, I'll bet.

    BTW, I want one. But I want it with a Cannondale Lefty.
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    Probably won't be any time soon until they get all the SL-R orders under control.

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    They've had delivery issues with every bike they've made starting with the SL, then the Tranny, then the HD and HD 140, then the new style HD, now the SLR. So you can just expect it will take a year or so to smooth out the supply when the Ripley does come out. If its released this summer, you'll have to work to get one or otherwise wait until spring of 2013 when most dealers should have them.

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    It seems like this is an issue with most bikes. Too much demand in the beginning.
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    I doubt it will be a summer release from the news I'm getting. I'd give it a year from now before people start receiving their Ripleys. That's my guess.

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    the next mojo also will using the eccentric bushing instead on current mini link?

    Can't wait to see Ripley come to my local distributor store.

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    Niner or ibis? The wait will be well worth it-

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    Posted on the Ibis' Ripley page:

    Delivery Update: The Ripley 29 is currently in development, prototype testing is going extremely well. First deliveries will happen sometime in 2012. Right now, we don't know when that will be. We do know that it will not be in the first quarter of the year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anthonylokrn View Post
    Probably won't be any time soon until they get all the SL-R orders under control.
    And the Ripley is being produced at the same factory.

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    There's a good picture of one of the proto Ripley's on their website that looks like it's been given a good testing.

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    link?

    I can't find the picture?
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    Talked to folk. Hopefully June/July for me. I may ride it at the Crested Butte Alpine Odyssey 100 in Sept. if I can get it on time and get some miles on it first.

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    For me, the problem with the Ripley is that there is nothing distinctively "Ibis" about it, at least not at a glance. I can spot a Mojo from a mile away because of the design of the frame. Nothing else really looks like it.

    The Ripley looks great, but it looks like a lot of other 29ers out there, especially in that grey/black color. I know many people like stealth and "murdered out" looks these days, but I hope Ibis offers it in some traditionally bright colors like the original Mojo carbon so that it stands out from the herd.
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    Yeah, they should bring back Vicious Blue. It's much more unique than the Trans Blue color.

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    I agree on the Ripley not looking like a Mojo (obviously), and I would've liked if it did. But I think they could have made the Ripley with the Mojo-look if they wanted to (slightly lowering the damper mounting point).

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    At a quick glance it looks similar to my old 05 S-Works FSR Stumpy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simenf View Post
    I agree on the Ripley not looking like a Mojo (obviously), and I would've liked if it did. But I think they could have made the Ripley with the Mojo-look if they wanted to
    They could but then it wouldn't have a bottle mount on top tube, which I'm guessing is more important to the target audience. I hate cleaning my camelback tubes (which grows black stuff every couple weeks) and miss the simplicity of the 2 water bottles of my road bike... though cameback is much easier to drink out of especially on rough terrain.

    The mojo bottle mount is useless (get dirt on the mouth piece right away) other than for mounting the down tube protector on the HD....

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    a water bottle that has a covered mouthpiece will take care of the dirt, camelbak makes them for their podium bottles...you can store your camelbak bladder in the refrigerator or freezer to inhibit growth

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    Ibis Delivery Update: The Ripley 29 is currently in development, prototype testing is going extremely well. Our next announcement about the Ripley 29 will be when it is ready to ship. We anticipate that will be sometime in the second half of 2012. We'll release all the final details then: pricing, sizing, colors, geometry, components, etc.
    In the mean time, we're working very hard to get it in your hands as fast as we can.

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    Sounds like it will be a 2013 bike for most.

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    From a fellow mountainbiker who visited Ibis over the summer: The Ripley is in production and they seemed to be aiming for a late September release. However first batch is already sold out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simenf View Post
    From a fellow mountainbiker who visited Ibis over the summer: The Ripley is in production and they seemed to be aiming for a late September release. However first batch is already sold out.
    Is there a secret list that one needs to get on to receive this Ripley you speak of? Curious to know how they can be sold out when there is zero info on avaliability, gruppo, pricing etc. Do I need to call a dealer and give them some cash sight unseen?

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    Quote Originally Posted by simenf View Post
    From a fellow mountainbiker who visited Ibis over the summer: The Ripley is in production and they seemed to be aiming for a late September release. However first batch is already sold out.
    Sorry, none of this is true.
    We'll announce all the details and start shipping when we have them in stock.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hanssc View Post
    Sorry, none of this is true.
    We'll announce all the details and start shipping when we have them in stock.
    Thanks everyone,
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    Is it still 120mm rear travel?

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    Quote Originally Posted by simenf View Post
    From a fellow mountainbiker who visited Ibis over the summer: The Ripley is in production and they seemed to be aiming for a late September release. However first batch is already sold out.
    This didn't make you look stupid at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simenf View Post
    Ibis Delivery Update: The Ripley 29 is currently in development, prototype testing is going extremely well. Our next announcement about the Ripley 29 will be when it is ready to ship. We anticipate that will be sometime in the second half of 2012. We'll release all the final details then: pricing, sizing, colors, geometry, components, etc.
    In the mean time, we're working very hard to get it in your hands as fast as we can.
    Not sure if you work there or worked there, but it sounds like you don't. You should not be posting stuff like this. Hans will post when they are ready, not someone who thinks they have inside knowledge of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mazspeed View Post
    Not sure if you work there or worked there, but it sounds like you don't. You should not be posting stuff like this. Hans will post when they are ready, not someone who thinks they have inside knowledge of.
    No kidding... that first sounds like someone who works there.

    Edit: didn't realized he quoted from ibis website (first post) - made it look like it came from him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by adumesny View Post
    No kidding... that first sounds like someone who works there (from norway, yeah right), then an outsider in the know a few months later. what a douch...like Ibis was gonna have someone announce this for them.
    Yeah, that's not a good idea to do for sure.

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    Yeah, looks like the info he recieved when he visited in SC was not correct or that he misunderstood. I have no reason to not trust him. It is a bit difficult to verify this info when Ibis has decided to say nothing before they are ready to ship...

    Sorry for misleading you. I guess I'm just as excited as everyone else who has decided on the Ripley.

    The "list" is pretty unofficial, I guess. I have signed up for a waiting list at my Ibis importer, but no money has changed hands yet. It's their internal customer waiting list, but may be used to communicate to Ibis the number and sizes of bikes that they want. That allocations to countries and dealers are being made is probable. When reffering to "sold out", it could mean that the first batch has been allocated. Or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mazspeed View Post
    Not sure if you work there or worked there, but it sounds like you don't. You should not be posting stuff like this. Hans will post when they are ready, not someone who thinks they have inside knowledge of.
    that one you quoted from him is actually straight from the Ibis website...but the one about the first batch being sold out was obviously BS

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    Quote Originally Posted by clewttu View Post
    that one you quoted from him is actually straight from the Ibis website...but the one about the first batch being sold out was obviously BS
    Yep saw that, the other BS was obviously his.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mazspeed View Post
    What business is it of yours to "verify" anyways? It's not your company, it's not your info, it's not your duty to tell everyone what Ibis or any other company is doing with products that aren't YOURS. You and your idiot friend should keep your pie holes shut. Tell me you understand what I am telling you?
    Yeah definitely no one on this forum should talk about bikes that haven't been released. Calm down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mazspeed View Post
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    little too much there....

    please keep the name calling to a minimum please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CHUM View Post


    little too much there....

    please keep the name calling to a minimum please.

    kthnxbye





    and yes, i would like to see the new Ripley when it's released
    You're right, I should have worded it better. But still, leaking false info is potentially very bad. People begin to believe it, and then you have people who have to come in and answer for this like Hans had too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mazspeed View Post
    You're right, I should have worded it better. But still, leaking false info is potentially very bad. People begin to believe it, and then you have people who have to come in and answer for this like Hans had too.
    I'm in favor of any action that results in Hans posting here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hillharman View Post
    I'm in favor of any action that results in Hans posting here.
    Well I don't think he or anyone else from Ibis or any other bike company should have to use the forums to squash false talk about release dates or anything else. It's not fair to them. It also gets people to start asking that person questions, and as it did, started to make stuff up. You can have big problems when this kind of thing happens, mostly from angry customers.

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    i think you are overreacting mazspeed, its pretty much how the internet works

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    Quote Originally Posted by hillharman View Post
    I'm in favor of any action that results in Hans posting here.
    You rang?

    We want to keep it positive and I'll chime in if there something inaccurate, but basically, we're not going to say much of anything until we're full on with the official intro and shipping etc.

    Thanks and Cheers all,
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    Quote Originally Posted by hanssc View Post
    You rang?

    We want to keep it positive and I'll chime in if there something inaccurate, but basically, we're not going to say much of anything until we're full on with the official intro and shipping etc.

    Thanks and Cheers all,
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    As long as the info on the website is still accurate, I'm happy. Would love to know if those plans have changed at all, i.e. if the bike isn't going to make it in 2012 or if the travel/geo has changed significantly. I've managed to talk myself in to waiting on a long travel 29er, so I'm hoping to get the chance to consider the Ripley before I talk myself back in to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hillharman View Post
    i.e. if the bike isn't going to make it in 2012
    ...it's August 1st. 2012 still has some legs. When they're ready to ship I suspect we'll be the first to know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hanssc View Post
    You rang?

    We want to keep it positive and I'll chime in if there something inaccurate, but basically, we're not going to say much of anything until we're full on with the official intro and shipping etc.

    Thanks and Cheers all,
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    Please make it :

    -compatible with a reverb stealth by being able to exit the hose trough the window to access the excentric
    -compatible with the specialized 142+ standard (even if you don't say so)
    -with a front derailleur fixation that goes down LOW for use planning to use only 2 small rings (20-33 for me)
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    Hans/Ibis:

    Will there be a Ripley at your booth at Interbike for viewing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CactusJackSlade View Post
    Hans/Ibis:

    Will there be a Ripley at your booth at Interbike for viewing?
    We have skipped Interbike the last couple of years and will continue to do so. It's withering and is also a huge shake down if you know what I mean.

    It cost 1K to hang our sign, 1K to get an extension cord, etc.etc. x 20 They've abused their customers a bit more than we can put up with any more. (I'd been to every one since 1980!) There are so many other ways to communicate now, that Interbike is not as essential as it was in the past. We will be at Eurobike, but will not be putting out any more info on the Ripley until we are ready to ship.

    It's tough to keep things under wraps for an extended time when we're so excited about it, but we think it's probably the best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hanssc View Post
    We have skipped Interbike the last couple of years and will continue to do so. It's withering and is also a huge shake down if you know what I mean.
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    I know EXACTLY what you mean... I used to have my own product and booth at IB.... they need to be very careful, there may not be an Interbike someday... at least as we have known it...

    You have a good product, word of mouth sells very well. Myself, like many others are just a bit crazy with the wait

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    does anyone know if the DW link 2xc suspension will trickle down to the Mojo's or is it only for the Ripley 29er? Just wondering is all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 20.100 FR View Post
    Please make it :

    -compatible with a reverb stealth by being able to exit the hose trough the window to access the excentric
    -compatible with the specialized 142+ standard (even if you don't say so)
    -with a front derailleur fixation that goes down LOW for use planning to use only 2 small rings (20-33 for me)

    142x12 is not a specialized standard, it's industry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by snowdrifter View Post
    142x12 is not a specialized standard, it's industry.
    True, but the 142+ is proprietary to Specialized. The "+" refers to the hub having the driveside spoke holes, freehub/cassette being 2mm wider from center. They claim wider spoke placement = stiffer wheel. However that is also 2mm less clearance the cogs have with the frame on a normal 142 dropout. I know on my Ibis Mojo HD there is no way to get the 142+ hub to work in that frame.

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    Nice pics of Lopes and the guys at Ibis riding at Thanksgiving on the Ibis website. Looks like Brian is having a good time on his X-Fusion equipped Ripley.


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    It would be nice if they offered a Ripley "Special Blend" build with the X-Fusion stuff...hint, hint

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    Agree!


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    Hans,
    The Ripley......Ibis is doing something bold & new, why not throw in something old and beloved? Give us the Ripley in Guinness foam color option. Also, for that color option only, put a beer bottle opener on the rear end of the derailleur hanger. JP

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    Quote Originally Posted by KyMtnBiker View Post
    Hans,
    The Ripley......Ibis is doing something bold & new, why not throw in something old and beloved? Give us the Ripley in Guinness foam color option. Also, for that color option only, put a beer bottle opener on the rear end of the derailleur hanger. JP
    ...and make the bottle opener a carbon fiber Hand Job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 20.100 FR View Post
    There's a picture at ibis instagram of the excentrics

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    Have they posted the geometry yet? Hopefully Lopes influenced the numbers again and we see something around a 68 HA.

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    i doubt it will be that drastic. it started with 71 deg hta with angleset compatibility. Lopes may have convinced them to go a degree slacker (which would be nice), but I can't see it going beyond that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KyMtnBiker View Post
    Hans,
    The Ripley......Ibis is doing something bold & new, why not throw in something old and beloved? Give us the Ripley in Guinness foam color option. Also, for that color option only, put a beer bottle opener on the rear end of the derailleur hanger. JP
    Forget the fluff, just get the thing out there.

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    So.

    The world has ended.

    And it still ain't here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salespunk View Post
    Have they posted the geometry yet? Hopefully Lopes influenced the numbers again and we see something around a 68 HA.
    Yep, sounds as if he may influence the numbers alright, shrinking the wheels about 3" or so:
    @BrianLopes: Oh & rode my 26"mojo slr today & it was a nice reminder that 26" wheels r just more fun to ride. Much more lively, flickable, & snappier👍
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    Quote Originally Posted by budgie View Post
    Yep, sounds as if he may influence the numbers alright, shrinking the wheels about 3" or so:
    @BrianLopes: Oh & rode my 26"mojo slr today & it was a nice reminder that 26" wheels r just more fun to ride. Much more lively, flickable, & snappier👍
    Saw that, plus hes not a fan of 27.5 wheels on the HD at all.

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    No but the Pivot is. Will the Ripley be here soon?

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    "Delivery not in the first half of 2012"

    The ol' website could use some updating now that it's 2013.

    Believe it or not.

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    I'm sure the Ripley is going to be an awesome bike...someday.

    I don't regret for one minute for cancelling my order back in February and picking up a Spesh S-Works FSR 29er. At least I was able to get in a full season of riding instead of STILL waiting for the Ripley.

    This bike is taking waaaaaaaay too long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mazspeed View Post
    Why is it you poison every thread you're in?
    Skateboard bearings used in a mtb pivot is poison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mazspeed View Post
    Why is it you poison every thread you're in?
    And how is the average user going to remove those anyways(after a handful of rides)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by freebiker View Post
    Skateboard bearings used in a mtb pivot is poison.
    Skateboard bearings huh?
    They are no different than any other bike pivot bearings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freebiker View Post
    And how is the average user going to remove those anyways(after a handful of rides)?
    Wow. Ok you don't know much about this kind of thing do you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by D_Man View Post
    "Delivery not in the first half of 2012"

    The ol' website could use some updating now that it's 2013.

    Believe it or not.
    Fixed. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hanssc View Post
    Fixed. Thanks.
    Fixed but no big announcement, I was hoping that you REALLY fixed it and I would be rolling on big wheels in a matter of days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hanssc View Post
    Fixed. Thanks.
    Dang, I thought you were going to put up the release date!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Martin6 View Post
    I'm sure the Ripley is going to be an awesome bike...someday.

    I don't regret for one minute for cancelling my order back in February and picking up a Spesh S-Works FSR 29er. At least I was able to get in a full season of riding instead of STILL waiting for the Ripley.

    This bike is taking waaaaaaaay too long.

    Patience...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Howling Dogs Bike and Ski View Post
    Patience...
    This is getting like waiting for Home Brewed Components...

    I wonder which will show up first, my HBC chainring or the Ripley?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Martin6 View Post
    This is getting like waiting for Home Brewed Components...

    I wonder which will show up first, my HBC chainring or the Ripley?
    Look on the sunny side, you did not put a 100% deposit for your ripley!

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    Tick-tock

    I, as one of the patient potensial customers who have put our names down for the Ripley a long time ago, hope to see some more info on the bike and delivery soon. If the bike will not be delivered before the 2013 season starts (meaning for me some time in April), I think it is fair to let people know so that they can evaluate their options in good time. While I understand the policy of not disclosing info before the launch, I really hope to see some info soon.

    Thanks.

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    That's a fair question..We are on track for launch and shipment for the 2013 season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hanssc View Post
    That's a fair question..We are on track for launch and shipment for the 2013 season.

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    Nice. I'm on track for buying one then!

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    I have never waited this long for a bike.....
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    (coming from someone very unfamiliar with ibis) will these frames be nearly impossible to get this year? as in are most of them already spoken for/pre-ordered?

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    Sasquatch, Loch Ness Monster and Ibis Ripley.

    Gave up long ago and got a Santa Cruz Tallboy LTc and love it. Ibis screwed the pooch on the Ripley.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zeppman View Post
    (coming from someone very unfamiliar with ibis) will these frames be nearly impossible to get this year? as in are most of them already spoken for/pre-ordered?
    I'd be curious to know the answer to this as well.

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    According to Ibis, they are not taking orders until they have bikes ready to fulfill the orders. Shops may be lining up folks though. I think that that is up to them. A reputable shop should probably not take any money though until the order can go to Ibis.

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    Anyone know if Ibis will sell to an LBS that is not an official dealer? I do have a official dealer in town, but am ridiculously loyal to my LBS since they take care of me when it counts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hanssc View Post
    That's a fair question..We are on track for launch and shipment for the 2013 season.

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    1st qtr-ish 2013 or later? Wes @ Competitive Cyclist is telling me the release has been pushed back to Summer when I just called now

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    Quote Originally Posted by MSH View Post
    1st qtr-ish 2013 or later? Wes @ Competitive Cyclist is telling me the release has been pushed back to Summer when I just called now
    I think they are probably trying to "under promise and over deliver".

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    Quote Originally Posted by hanssc View Post
    I think they are probably trying to "under promise and over deliver".

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    I think they know something you don't!

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    I'm beginning to think that the Ripley is just a genius marketing exercise to get everyone to look at their website & forum for 2yrs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hypokondriak View Post
    I think they know something you don't!
    oh snap!

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    Quote Originally Posted by hypokondriak View Post
    I think they know something you don't!
    I very much doubt that.

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    The tallboy LTc looks good but...

    Quote Originally Posted by dkestar View Post
    Sasquatch, Loch Ness Monster and Ibis Ripley.

    Gave up long ago and got a Santa Cruz Tallboy LTc and love it. Ibis screwed the pooch on the Ripley.
    I love my DW bike (sultan) and I wish the tallboy was a little slacker like 68.5. The geometry on the yeti SB95 looks perfect. It will be hard decision between the SB95 carbon and the Ripley---if it ever comes out. Agree with you on Ibis screwing the pooch. They had ripley at Interbike in 2011 and still no release date.
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    Better to under promise and over deliver then to promise and never deliver. Every bike has been a waiting game and after time that becomes too much to take. I have an original carbon "Flexable Flyer" which I am over at this point,to many chain drops, chain suck, bent chains etc. Sent a note to them about getting a chain guide, told then I did not want to spend a lot of money. They wrote back that a new clutch derailleur which would require a new shifter etc... Never really answered my question and ignored the fact I said I have no money, kids in college and all. Was thinking about the Ripley but I give up. By the time this bike comes out it will be lost in a sea of 120 29ers, the only saving grace may be the eccentric pivots but unless they are beyond compare it will end up being a so what moment. My local shop is frustrated as are many of the customers. Sorry Ibis but the same game on every release is OLD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SMT42 View Post
    By the time this bike comes out it will be lost in a sea of 120 29ers, the only saving grace may be the eccentric pivots but unless they are beyond compare it will end up being a so what moment. My local shop is frustrated as are many of the customers. Sorry Ibis but the same game on every release is OLD.
    I still have high hopes for the Ripley, but on the whole release business, it was interesting to read an interview with Scott Nichol in the latest issue of Switchback magazine where he said that he planned to start running Ibis more like Apple, meaning that customers are not likely to hear much about new bikes until right before the actual release.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D_Man View Post
    .... but on the whole release business, it was interesting to read an interview with Scott Nichol in the latest issue of Switchback magazine where he said that he planned to start running Ibis more like Apple, meaning that customers are not likely to hear much about new bikes until right before the actual release.
    You mean like with Santa Cruz and the Tallboy LTc?

    I'm still waiting for the Ripley.... at least for now.

    Hopefully Ibis has learned this lesson for the last time...
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