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    Asta Comp X7 vs. Ignition Super Pro

    I've been riding a hard tail for a while and want to upgrade to FS. I am likely to purchase an Ibex after the '09 models are available. I'm trying to decide between an Asta Comp X7 and an Ignition Super Pro. Besides the difference in the components, what are the riding differences? Which will fit my riding better?

    I suppose my riding style is XC. I ride in Southern California, a lot of climbing and single track descents. I don't jump or downhill. I am just looking for a faster better handling and more comfortable ride for my 42 year old body.

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    Quote Originally Posted by craiger951
    I've been riding a hard tail for a while and want to upgrade to FS. I am likely to purchase an Ibex after the '09 models are available. I'm trying to decide between an Asta Comp X7 and an Ignition Super Pro. Besides the difference in the components, what are the riding differences? Which will fit my riding better?

    I suppose my riding style is XC. I ride in Southern California, a lot of climbing and single track descents. I don't jump or downhill. I am just looking for a faster better handling and more comfortable ride for my 42 year old body.

    Thanks for your thoughts.

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    ASTA is a 4" travel XC design..Great climber and FAST..Also can handle some of the rougher stuff...

    IGGY is a 5" travel AM design..Takes the mid/big bumps and grinds like a champ but not the best in tha climbing department..

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    I have an '08 Iggy super and love it. I ride mostly XC because those are the trails I have access to and it does fine. I like the more upright riding position of an AM bike (I have back and shoulder issues).

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    Some of the trails I hit.




    That rock was pretty big. My friend hit it and went OTB and decided to walk. I told him to get out of the way and just let the suspension soak the rock up and rolled right over it. I know I could have gone around it but him calling me an a$$ as I rode by him was well worth it.

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    i concur with jake, the asta is way more Xcountryish compared to the allmountainish igniton, if your going to be jumping and dropping anything more than 3 feet then the iggy is the bike for you, but it sounds like your going to be sticking to fast single tracks, in which case you would probabley prefer the lighter and more agile asta instead of the igniton
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    another vote for the Asta

    I also rode a hardtail until this past year. I cared more about the climbing ability and didn't jump or drop off too much. The terrain in my area of PA is very rocky and I wanted something to soak up the bumps. The Asta was a great choice for me. THe riding position is more relaxed then my, more racer, hardtail. It is a confidence inspiring ride that has inspired me to take on more challenging terrain at much greater speeds then I would have on the hardtail. It has taken everything I have thrown at it, and it climbs great.
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    Asta is better suited for your XC needs and will handle the rough with ease.
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    Quote Originally Posted by murphy0421
    I also rode a hardtail until this past year. I cared more about the climbing ability and didn't jump or drop off too much. The terrain in my area of PA is very rocky and I wanted something to soak up the bumps. The Asta was a great choice for me. THe riding position is more relaxed then my, more racer, hardtail. It is a confidence inspiring ride that has inspired me to take on more challenging terrain at much greater speeds then I would have on the hardtail. It has taken everything I have thrown at it, and it climbs great.
    Thanks Murph,

    Which Asta do you have? What size? Can you give me the weight?

    I find it interesting that most of the riders on my trails ride AM bikes. However, I never see any of them jumping anything. Could I be missing something or are they?

    Thanks all for the support,

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    Quote Originally Posted by craiger951
    Thanks Murph,

    Which Asta do you have? What size? Can you give me the weight?

    I find it interesting that most of the riders on my trails ride AM bikes. However, I never see any of them jumping anything. Could I be missing something or are they?

    Thanks all for the support,

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    I feel the same exact way. Everyone around me seems to ride bikes in the standard 5-6" trail bike range or bigger. Sure, we have some nasty rough sections, but almost nothing in the way of jumps or drops over 1 to 2 ft.

    I think the biggest reason people do this is the slack angles and relaxed position of the bigger bikes. It does give you more confidence. I think they also tend to buy bikes around those handful of tricky spots that they want to do better on, or the trails they think they will ride, and end up riding a bike that is too big for 95% of what they do. But, that is a gross generalization and I don't think everyone does that

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    Quote Originally Posted by craiger951
    I find it interesting that most of the riders on my trails ride AM bikes. However, I never see any of them jumping anything. Could I be missing something or are they?
    Your idea of XC could be another rider's idea of AM. It's an interesting dynamic. It also could be that you prefer to pick a cleaner line than they do. Not enough data, but the HT kinda gives you away.

    Talk to the folks who share your trail and ask how their bikes climb, decend, pedal, etc.. Would they change anything about their choice in bikes, suspension travel, etc? I haven't met a single rider who didn't like to talk about their bike--good or bad.

    My personal experience is that no matter where you go, people have a different understanding of what they want versus what they need. I would rather have more than enough than not enough at all, but that's just me.

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    My son on the Asta 3 years ago, I dont recommend this though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dogonfr
    My son on the Asta 3 years ago, I dont recommend this though.
    If the Asta can handle action like that photo even occasionally, it will withstand anything I can throw at it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by craiger951
    Thanks Murph,

    Which Asta do you have? What size? Can you give me the weight?

    I find it interesting that most of the riders on my trails ride AM bikes. However, I never see any of them jumping anything. Could I be missing something or are they?

    Thanks all for the support,

    Craiger
    I have an Asta Pro medium frame size. I don't get into the whole weight thing too much. I try to but the lightest weight parts in my price range, but I don't go out and replace things just to save weight. I never got an exact weight on it. I can tell you that it doesn't feel heavy when you are riding it, and it climbs great. Overall, I am very happy with the purchase, and am kicking myself for not doing it sooner. It is so much more fun to ride than my hardtail!
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    Quote Originally Posted by craiger951
    If the Asta can handle action like that photo even occasionally, it will withstand anything I can throw at it.
    The poor Asta had no clue what it was in for since XC has been a weak strength of mine so it was built as a AM bike with spares. It's duties ended up being AM/FR and mild DH, the first generation Asta was over built so the '07's on were redesigned to be better fit it's intended XC niche. What we put the Asta through I do not recommend unless your like me and what ever happens happens, I wasnt worried about warranty because we were using it beyond it's intended design and I'm sure Jack was cringing everytime crazy pics were posted. The Asta went through almost 2 years of abuse and is now living life as a trail bike doing weekend duties with a new owner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by craiger951
    Thanks Murph,

    Which Asta do you have? What size? Can you give me the weight?

    I find it interesting that most of the riders on my trails ride AM bikes. However, I never see any of them jumping anything. Could I be missing something or are they?

    Thanks all for the support,

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    It's not always about jumping. There are people that don't get much air, but the terrain and tech features they ride will greatly reduce the life of many frames in a short amount of time. Then there's also such things as the axle path and leverage ratio that makes a difference on how something will handle a certain trail.

    In my case, I'm not big on air, but I ride extremely rocky, rough trails, with high speeds and roller drops. A 5 Spot would likely have been decent, although I needed a slacker head angle to help against getting stopped up on obstacles on the flat trails, along with helping out on technical descents and drops. The initial part of rear travel is slightly falling in rate and that helps with the rock crawling, then the leverage ramps at the end to prevent bottoming. I had to research closely into this. I could have done it on the 5 Spot, but the fact is I would have had a severely limited life, trading off a lot of fun for a mildly lighter frame, compared to my RFX. Pics in my gallery and examples outside of it in assorted threads.

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    My stock medium Asta Pro with pedals is 29lbs.

    My big advice is to rent or try out as many bikes as you can. What trails you ride is pretty important, but what geometry you like to ride is a huge piece of the puzzle. You won't know that until you have applied your butt to most everything out there.

    Maybe someone who has an IGGY can add, but the Asta geometry is pretty comperable (IMO) to riding a SC Blur XC, Epic, Yeti ASR. Maybe the Iggy is better compared to the Fuel, Stumpjumper?

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    It's also not all about the geometry exclusively. Lots of companies try to copy winning geometry numbers that simply don't work in the real world, due to different leverage curves, for instance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerk_Chicken
    It's also not all about the geometry exclusively. Lots of companies try to copy winning geometry numbers that simply don't work in the real world, due to different leverage curves, for instance.

    Not following you.

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    Lots of companies with different bikes think they can use the geometry from company A with best selling frame X. In reality, the geometry of the entire frame can't necessarily be applied to another bike with a completely different suspension or different leverage curve and a host of other changes. Bikes sit differently with sag, have different shocks, settle differently into travel, rider balance impacting suspension, different forks, etc. The geo and linkage should be designed together

    That's why one can't only rely on the static geometry when the bike is sitting in a shop window or in your garage.

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    Okay. Gotcha. So what is the OP to do?

    Part of the disconnect, is that when I say geometry I mean: bike class (XC), body position (real geometry, sag, etc) and feel (ride, response), not just the numbers. These are the things that are so difficult to advise others on. Will this bike work for these trails? Well, yeah.... but will you love it? It is the KIND of bike you want or feel most comfortable on?
    We are in agreement, but I think it is even more important for those of us that have IBEXes to know what bikes at LBS's are comperable (in class, fit and feel). For those that are seriously considering buying direct, usually the wrenching and LBS service components are not as important, so that means that the one major obstacle to overcome is fit.
    The last thing I would want is to have someone buy an IBEX and say the thing is a POS because it wasn't the geomentry they wanted, needed, expected. In order to combat that, they need to know what they can ride that will give them an approximation of fit. DYKWIM?

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    Any reason you capitalize the letters in the brand name? I guess you don't know the origins of why others here do that, do you?

    And I "DKWYM", but at the same time you are being completely foolish in assuming you can approximate a comparison with brand X in an effort to put ibex on a podium. There are too many factors to decide on, and I wholly challenge the notion that the posters on this forum have experience with many bike shop brands to be able to offer advice. Hell, most of the posts here don't address the actual technical things that decide the ride, nor can proper evaluations be provided that allow some degree of comparability with other brands. Usually, we just have the "psick" and "awesome" reviews, but little one can compare outside of subjectiveness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerk_Chicken
    Any reason you capitalize the letters in the brand name? I guess you don't know the origins of why others here do that, do you?

    And I "DKWYM", but at the same time you are being completely foolish in assuming you can approximate a comparison with brand X in an effort to put ibex on a podium. There are too many factors to decide on, and I wholly challenge the notion that the posters on this forum have experience with many bike shop brands to be able to offer advice. Hell, most of the posts here don't address the actual technical things that decide the ride, nor can proper evaluations be provided that allow some degree of comparability with other brands. Usually, we just have the "psick" and "awesome" reviews, but little one can compare outside of subjectiveness.
    Name some of the top posters in the Ibex section that don't have experience on other bikes please.
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    Read my wording more carefully and find the word: "many" in there, not "ALL".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerk_Chicken
    Any reason you capitalize the letters in the brand name? I guess you don't know the origins of why others here do that, do you?

    And I "DKWYM", but at the same time you are being completely foolish in assuming you can approximate a comparison with brand X in an effort to put ibex on a podium. There are too many factors to decide on, and I wholly challenge the notion that the posters on this forum have experience with many bike shop brands to be able to offer advice. Hell, most of the posts here don't address the actual technical things that decide the ride, nor can proper evaluations be provided that allow some degree of comparability with other brands. Usually, we just have the "psick" and "awesome" reviews, but little one can compare outside of subjectiveness.
    There is truth in what you say.

    ...But do you see anything else in the other boards here with discussions on leverage ratios and linkage sizes and so on? I don't think the Ibex board is much different than most other manufacturers forums here, except maybe with a bit more enthusiasm at times. Go ask about a Hifi or a Fuel, and you will get the same kind of responses: "it rides awesome" and "best bike evar" except with an occasional mention of ABP thrown in for good measure. If you ask specific questions about these bike I don't doubt this forum's ability to provide specific answers, but the context of this thread is an OP without FS experience asking about the big picture difference between two specific Ibex models

    The exceptions to this are of course boards like Turner, Ellsworth and Titus; the kind of bikes that people buy when they know exactly what they want and want to discuss the engineering details. I would too if I was going to invest in a bike like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerk_Chicken
    Any reason you capitalize the letters in the brand name? I guess you don't know the origins of why others here do that, do you?

    And I "DKWYM", but at the same time you are being completely foolish in assuming you can approximate a comparison with brand X in an effort to put ibex on a podium. There are too many factors to decide on, and I wholly challenge the notion that the posters on this forum have experience with many bike shop brands to be able to offer advice. Hell, most of the posts here don't address the actual technical things that decide the ride, nor can proper evaluations be provided that allow some degree of comparability with other brands. Usually, we just have the "psick" and "awesome" reviews, but little one can compare outside of subjectiveness.
    Careful, Jerk, you are shooting the messenger. The reason I even post about this is because there are so many "awesome" and "just buy it, dude" responses. I find those to be encouragement in advising others to buy IBEX, not education. (and no, I don't know why it is capitalized... and I don't really give a hoot. It is capitalized on my bike, it is capitalized on the website and nearly all publications. I was respecting the brand identity. I am sure that IBEX will respect me back! )

    I take offense that you call me foolish in approximating fit and feel in order to help people fill out their decision matrix. I rented and rode multiple bikes before purchasing the Asta this summer. I know what bikes it FEELS the most like. I did NOT say that they were equal in weight, quality of components, aesthetics, or "technical things". What I said is that it FELT similar. They are of the same CLASS, similar geometries, and responsiveness. My point has always been that you should apply your butt to as many bikes as you need to in order to determine the CLASS of bike you want first, then compare brands and components against your budget.

    I don't have an Iggy. That is why I merely guessed as to the models that might FEEL similar. I rely on someone who was as researched as I in buying one in order to fill in the blanks on the other side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boomn
    There is truth in what you say.

    ...But do you see anything else in the other boards here with discussions on leverage ratios and linkage sizes and so on? I don't think the Ibex board is much different than most other manufacturers forums here, except maybe with a bit more enthusiasm at times. Go ask about a Hifi or a Fuel, and you will get the same kind of responses: "it rides awesome" and "best bike evar" except with an occasional mention of ABP thrown in for good measure. If you ask specific questions about these bike I don't doubt this forum's ability to provide specific answers, but the context of this thread is an OP without FS experience asking about the big picture difference between two specific Ibex models

    The exceptions to this are of course boards like Turner, Ellsworth and Titus; the kind of bikes that people buy when they know exactly what they want and want to discuss the engineering details. I would too if I was going to invest in a bike like that.
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    Thread Cliff-notes

    Either bike is a great deal for the money
    Asta is less AM more XC
    Iggy is more AM less XC
    Pick based on your trail conditions. And either way you'll end up with a great bike!
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    Quote Originally Posted by skim1040
    Thread Cliff-notes

    Either bike is a great deal for the money
    Asta is less AM more XC
    Iggy is more AM less XC
    Pick based on your trail conditions. And either way you'll end up with a great bike!

    Respectfully, Skim, I am actually disagreeing with this. Trail conditions cannot be ignored, I totally agree... so I say look around, talk to people, find out why they ride what they ride on the trails you do. Absolutely.

    However, I think that these bikes (true XC vs AM) feel very different on the open trail. If I had not actively tried both types, I might have bought an AM bike and always felt uncomfortable on it. I personally have never sat on a AM bike that spoke to me. I love the body position and feel of a true XC rig.

    Maybe others are different, and they are not as picky as I am. Maybe there isn't much difference between an Asta and an Iggy as say between a Blur XC and a Superlight... I don't know. I just think that it would be a shame if someone bought a bike based solely on the perceived trail conditions and then didn't like the ride and blamed it on the brand, when really it was the wrong class bike for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerk_Chicken
    Read my wording more carefully and find the word: "many" in there, not "ALL".
    So you said MOST not ALL.
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    Some people get all wound up in the geo, head angle, seat tube angle TT length, then there are the people that want a bike that they can ride. Me personally dont give a darn about the number/angle carp as much as how it feels when I ride it. Some people feel the numbers are the world others want to ride. I have ridden and own Name Brand Bikes as well as Non Name Brand Bikes, I have a friggin Motive in the garage, JC I'll sell it to you for a sweet deal only because I care about you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MiniTrail
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    Sorry but I think you tend to get a little carried away at times. I appreciate your contributions but you can't seem to stop at that.

    Perhaps we should all just have you right the reviews for us. Seems that's what it would take to make you happy. Good luck with your crusade.
    yes but what JC mentioned makes 100% sense.
    If a Santa Cruz Hecker for instance has a head angle of 68 degrees, and it is an "award winning" geometry, then lets say Jamis puts a 68 degree headangle on a frame based the same as heckler... theres probably a 70% chance it wil not be like riding the heckler, even if you strip the heckler and use the components on the jamis frame... as JC said, the suspension design/axle ratio etc is different. ..i'm sur you know what he's talking about . ONe thing about JC he might come off as a prick at times but he know's his shite about bikes

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    Quote Originally Posted by dogonfr
    Some people get all wound up in the geo, head angle, seat tube angle TT length, then there are the people that want a bike that they can ride. Me personally dont give a darn about the number/angle carp as much as how it feels when I ride it. Some people feel the numbers are the world others want to ride. I have ridden and own Name Brand Bikes as well as Non Name Brand Bikes, I have a friggin Motive in the garage, JC I'll sell it to you for a sweet deal only because I care about you.
    ETT and headangle are super important to me... both of these is a yay or nay to buy the frame or said bike... if you have a xc bike with a 5 inch fork, which it is startring to happen,. the bike does not steer properly it feels like it istoppling over abit making it harsh on corners.
    effective top tube length for me is another huge number for me, because i have a long torso i need to longest top tube with shortest stand over because i was built with stubbz and a tree trunk

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    One can test ride bikes till there blue in the face and feel a slight difference in ride while others can feel a major difference then there are people that can feel every angle. I'm sure it can be narrowed down even tighter. I suggested to a Pro DH Rider the Galfer rotors and the reply was, hahaha when your a pro it doesnt matter if their round or square, this makes allot of sense if you think about it. Here we are in the Merry Go Round season watching Pro Riders swap sponcers, gee why change if it works, money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wickerman1
    as JC said, the suspension design/axle ratio etc is different. ..i'm sur you know what he's talking about . ONe thing about JC he might come off as a prick at times but he know's his shite about bikes

    That is all important to some but others want a bike that rides for them not a crazy pile of numbers and angles, heck why not factor in the wheel offset, fork offset, etc offset's and lets not forget stem angle, bar rise, etc again. It's about the ride and the rider.
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    Dang forgot tire size and actual rim diameter, did I miss a measurement or angle??
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    Smile Hey, remember me the OP???

    Hey, remember me the OP???

    First, I want to thank everybody that has responded on this forum as well as those that I have PM'd. You have increased my knowledge not only on these two models (which are two of many including LBS models) I am considering, but on the classes as well. I appreciate the facts and the opinions and even the enthusiastic "these rock, just buy one" comments.

    I will process all of this and more, including demo rides in making my final choice which won't be for several months.

    Ironically, I just found out that the Asta Comp X7 won't even be available in '09. Which means, I will either have to eliminate the Asta from the mix or increase my budget to include the Asta X9 which means including additional makes and models at the higher cost.

    Yes, being a noob makes all of this more difficult. However, I will ultimately choose the bike that I feel has the best combination of fit, components, performance and value.

    And in the words of Metalica, Nothing else matters.

    Thanks again,

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    I have posts from 2 hours ago before posts from 10 hours ago...its all over the place
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    Quote Originally Posted by skim1040
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    does anyone else get a scrambled post order with this forum?

    I have posts from 2 hours ago before posts from 10 hours ago...its all over the place
    just above the first post on the page on the right side --> display mode

    change to linear mode, otherwise it will group posts based on which are replies to which

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    You, sir, are amazing!


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    Quote Originally Posted by skim1040
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    Hey, any Yay Area riders out there? I think I've met Mr. Percussive riding in Oakland a while back. If that's you, thanks for showing me Cinderella man
    Up to now I've just been learning the basics on how to really ride i.e positioning, cornering, bunny hopping, etc. My little hardrock has done me well with some upgrades, but I'm afraid it's just not cutting it anymore, I need some squish. I've been looking at Marin's Mt. Vision and I'm really impressed, but as a student who works little hours I just don't have $2000+ to spend on a bike right now. So, I've been looking at Ibex. Mainly the Iggy and the Asta. So for any Bay folks, what would be your choice? Could the Asta handle some rocks and drops? I'm not really an aggressive rider, but it would be nice to know my bike can deal with an occasional 3 or so ft. drop. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ouroboros
    Hey, any Yay Area riders out there? I think I've met Mr. Percussive riding in Oakland a while back. If that's you, thanks for showing me Cinderella man
    Mainly the Iggy and the Asta. So for any Bay folks, what would be your choice? Could the Asta handle some rocks and drops? I'm not really an aggressive rider, but it would be nice to know my bike can deal with an occasional 3 or so ft. drop. Thanks.
    Ya that sounds like mrperc, was that about 2 months ago??

    If you are going to be riding trails like Cindy then the Asta is awesome but if you plan on stepping it up and railing Chap then the Ignition would be your better choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dogonfr
    Ya that sounds like mrperc, was that about 2 months ago??

    If you are going to be riding trails like Cindy then the Asta is awesome but if you plan on stepping it up and railing Chap then the Ignition would be your better choice.
    About half ayear ago. but yeah, Chap is pretty I'm thinking the Asta's the way to go.
    When that happens I'll definetly post her up

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