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    Asta Comp X7 pedaling

    I am considering buying my first FS bike to replace an aging hardtail. I got my first parking lot ride yesterday on a Specialized FSRxc that I am also considering, but the Asta X7 is a lot more bike for a similar price.

    As you can see I don't have much experience with shocks, but I have been trying to do my homework on this. The Ario 2.2 on the Asta just has rebound ajustment and lockout, correct? Will this bike still be an efficient pedaler without any platform?

    Testing the FSRxc on flat ground I could really feel it bobbing as I pedaled, but by adjusting the rebound lever (i think thats what it was) I could stiffen it up enough to stop this. Is this the same thing that I would have to do on the Asta? Or will I not notice this effect when pedaling on rough ground?

    Thanks in advance!

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    For what your getting into I wouldnt worry so much about the "BoB" factor at this time. There is a huge difference riding a bike on your local trails, entering a few races to riding the lot. Component wise you got it sorted out the Asta has the goods when we talk components. Im no shock expert either but their is no mention of a rebound adjustment on the Ario 2.2 only air & lock-out. There will be much less BoB with the Asta because of the rear pivot for the chain stay to seat stay setup. I had the 1st generation Asta with a shorter TT & it was amazing what it was capable of doing even some pretty gnar DH trail sections.
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    http://www.sram.com/en/rockshox/rear...ion/ario/#tab2

    Ario 2.2
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    Quote Originally Posted by dogonfr
    For what your getting into I wouldnt worry so much about the "BoB" factor at this time. There is a huge difference riding a bike on your local trails, entering a few races to riding the lot. Component wise you got it sorted out the Asta has the goods when we talk components. Im no shock expert either but their is no mention of a rebound adjustment on the Ario 2.2 only air & lock-out. There will be much less BoB with the Asta because of the rear pivot for the chain stay to seat stay setup. I had the 1st generation Asta with a shorter TT & it was amazing what it was capable of doing even some pretty gnar DH trail sections.
    Thanks. I probably put around 30miles a week on my bike right now, and I hope to do more this summer Still not a ton though. I did my first serious race this last weekend (Shasta Lemurian) and I am excited to do it again next year. I will probably be entering 2 other races this summer/fall.

    I can handle the rocky trails around here just fine on a hardtail, but the extra cush of a FS does sound nice. The Asta X7 would be stretching my budget, so I don't want to pay that much more and give up too much efficiency to get the comfort. The fact that the Ario has a lockout does calm my worries about smoother climbs. What I would be worried about is rocky, sustained climbs where I would want the rear suspension to help me stay seated and pedal better over choppy terrain. Should the Ario still perform well in these situations?

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    Im no XC guy so lock out is no advantage in my case which means in order for me to get to my destination of going down I have to go up. I found it to be very smooth without lockout letting the suspension do its thing & actually had energy once at the top, it took less energy for me to climb with it. Un locked seated climbing over roots & rough would be no problem. The items you would be considering upgrading on the other bike you would already have on the Asta giving you more time to play & money for beer in the long run, your still coming out ahead.
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    i own an 07 ASTA EXPERT...i put around 100 miles a week on her, and honestly, i never lockout my rear suspension...last time i tried it, the ASTA felt and handled very weird and extremely bumpy, so I said screw it....she will always climb unlocked from the rear and locked at the front...extremely nice...she handles smooooooth ...the FS is for you to keep both tires on the ground, plough through the trails without worrying much about picking the trail per se more technical rider, and the extra comfort (altough not its main purpose)...you will also have to setup your shock so that it is fit to your weight...i understand your budget issues, but you will not regret getting the ASTA...the COMP version is excellent for a weekend warrior because the components are rather excellent, but if you are planning on dedicating a bit more time to the sport you should probably think about getting the EXPERT...best of luck on your decision! oooohh btw you will get caught by UGI lol

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    I was answering your same question last summer because I built up a relatively light XC hardtail that I would ride and race on. My hardtail was so fast that on any down hill section I would have to use my brakes because more experienced riders on FS bikes were just to slow. Now with the Asta I'm going even faster on these downhill sections and actually passing these riders, it's unbelievable how much comfort and control you'll gain with a decent FS bike. The Asta is a little heavier than my HT and gives up a little due to bob when climbing but over my 10 mile course I'm about 2-5 minutes faster on the Asta. When I first got the Asta I decided I would keep the HT for races because it was lighter, I haven't had it on the trails since delivery of the Asta. I just keep it hooked up to me trainer in the basement.

    Component and cost wise you're far better off with the Asta versus the FSR.
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    Quote Originally Posted by doctorholguin
    i own an 07 ASTA EXPERT...i put around 100 miles a week on her, and honestly, i never lockout my rear suspension...last time i tried it, the ASTA felt and handled very weird and extremely bumpy, so I said screw it....she will always climb unlocked from the rear and locked at the front...extremely nice...she handles smooooooth ...the FS is for you to keep both tires on the ground, plough through the trails without worrying much about picking the trail per se more technical rider, and the extra comfort (altough not its main purpose)...you will also have to setup your shock so that it is fit to your weight...i understand your budget issues, but you will not regret getting the ASTA...the COMP version is excellent for a weekend warrior because the components are rather excellent, but if you are planning on dedicating a bit more time to the sport you should probably think about getting the EXPERT...best of luck on your decision! oooohh btw you will get caught by UGI lol
    Thanks.

    The Expert is absolute top end of my budget right now. I really would like an FS and the Asta looks like an amazing bike

    To clarify my original question, the only thing I am worried about anymore is that the shock doesn't have any platform and I am used to the pedaling of my hardtail. I don't know what shock your Expert came with, but I'm sure it has some sort of platform.

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    boomn,

    i dunno what to answer about my rear shock...all i know is that it is the Rock Shock MC 3.3 Air...but no worries cause Jake will chip in soon with his wisdom...the new rear shock on the expert does state platform...mine might be pretty similar but i just cant tell...all i can say that it performs flawlessly, and i dont feel much pedal bob or i am probably very used to the feel of the ASTA...i am telling you bro i put around 100 miles or more a week on my baby and at fast speeds!now, the only time i really do feel some bob is when my chain reaches 50-70 % of its life...nothing i am that worried about cause my chain gets replaced soon after that...about the expert, we understand the budget issue, but it was only a comment i made for you...it is something that i see every day on the track...there are some folks who have badarzzz bikes (we are talking about 2k and up) but they use them twice or once a week...and i know they are happy because they can buy one of those or several more but bottom end is that they have a lot of money sitting around rather than abusing it hehehe....again thats what makes them happy so its alright isnt it?...however, in cases like yours and mine, we cant afford such thing, so like i was saying if you are planning on dedicating yourself to the sport, you will definitely be regretting not getting a better bike later on...you can always wait to save up more money...lol thats what i ended up doing, and you should see the grim on my face right now, and i got caught by UGI thanks to Jake, Poh, Dog, savageman, duck, and all the other ibex brothers lol...well, if you end up getting the comp still a great bike no questions asked...

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    boomn,
    Post your questions in regards to the RS Ario 2.2 in this MTBR board..
    CLICK> http://forums.mtbr.com/shocks-suspension/
    Keep it simple and about the shock in question
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    The Asta is a very capable frame. The one i rode was setup more 4X applications, but it shreded the dh pretty well and took all the abuse i gave it and more. Though not bob free, pedaling is pretty effiecient with the lockout off. With lockout, it should be almost like a hardtail. I never use lockout though. Like dogonfr, i'm a DH fool and most of the times, i forget to unlock the suspension when going down... lols. Besides, i find climbing with an active suspension is actually easier on the technical ups then it is with a hardtail. Keeps the wheel planted.

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    Thanks everyone. I just posted my question in the Suspension board, but you guys have done a lot to make me feel better about the Asta X7. At this point my decision is honestly more likely to come down to a budget decision than suspension design.

    That, and I would feel bad leaving such a beautiful, expensive bike outside under a tarp Living in a 1 bedroom apartment stinks. I hope to have a house by the time I am in the market for a bike again, but I don't want to sell myself short right now

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    I even think if you asked the "S" guys they would steer you away from the FSRxc and towards the Stumpy solely because of the better components...

    I just went from a hardtail to an Ignition frame (lighter XC build) and I use the lockout to climb and it feels pretty close to my former hardtail, maybe even a bit better on the way up... on the way down it is siiiiiiiiiick!!!

    go w/ the Asta and you'll get better components (as well as non-proprietary) right off the bat!
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    I think I have come to grips with the trade offs of an FS bike, even without an expensive platform shock. But now I am still confused because I just found a 2007 Trek Fuel EX 6 on closeout at my LBS for $999.

    Trek Fuel EX
    RS Tora 318 air
    RS Monarch 3.1
    SRAM X.7
    Bontrager GXP crankset
    Hayes MX-1 discs
    Bontrager Superstock wheelset

    Asta X7
    RS Recon SL
    RS Ario 2.2
    SRAM X.7
    FSA Moto crankset
    Juicy 5
    Novatec/Sun EQ23 wheelset

    $999 was the original upper limits of my budget, and my wife gets uncomfortable when I discuss any more than that. But I keep thinking about some of the better specs on the Asta for only ~$150 more considering tax and shipping for each option. The Asta is probably lighter as well. I did like the feel of the Fuel. It pedaled very nicely as both the Tora 318 and the Monarch feature Motion Control, which the Asta lacks on both ends. I am not so worried about platform for off road riding anymore, but it would be a nice feature. So would LBS support, but I do almost all my own maintenance and enjoy it, so the only thing they have to offer me is warranty support and troubleshooting on tricky issues. And they have a reputation for being super busy.

    Also, the Asta is by far the sexiest of the two

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    Arghh, the temptation

    To make matters worse, I am being tempted by the hot, young Super Iggy. The majority of my riding is not races, but rocky trails and fun. For the same price as the Fuel I am considering, I could get an extra inch of suspension front and back, better brakes(?), and a bike that might even be lighter than the Fuel.

    One of my only hesitations for this bike would be climbing with a 130mm fork. I am used to 80mm, haha. But all the guys I ride with seem to be doing just find on their Hecklers, Nomads, etc.

    My only conclusion is that there are too many kinds of bikes

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    There are allot of really nice bikes out there to pick from that will definitely make your head spin. The Asta X7 is a excellent bike when comparing the components for the price. LBS support should not be a issue because the components on a bike are warrantied by there manufacture not the bike company, Trek warranties the frame & Trek branded items only RS is responsible for their products & so on.
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    Which way do I go............

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    I'd go with the Asta. Lately I've been doing 4-5 foot drops with down the side of some local hills and so far I think I might have just barely bottomed it out last night, but it was so minor I just barely felt it. So what I'm saying is that yes you can beat the heck of the Asta and it'll take it and you will not suffer. And what you gain in pedaling/climbing performance makes it the clear winner.
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    I think I will be going for the Asta. The Trek was nice, but had some definite negatives in the components

    Next month I hope to be putting my money down on a Asta X7, or maybe even an X9!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by boomn
    I think I will be going for the Asta. The Trek was nice, but had some definite negatives in the components

    Next month I hope to be putting my money down on a Asta X7, or maybe even an X9!!
    Good call

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    Quote Originally Posted by boomn
    I think I will be going for the Asta. The Trek was nice, but had some definite negatives in the components

    Next month I hope to be putting my money down on a Asta X7, or maybe even an X9!!
    sounds like you're thinking right... XD

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