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    Alpine 320K vs Specialized Hotrock

    Anyone have any experience?

    I'm buying for my 6 yo son. I had him try a 20" Hotrock at the local Specialized store and he fit and rode it fine.

    Things I liked about the Specialized:
    1. It was not overly heavy for a kids bike...in other words, it is a real bike for kids. They also had a Fisher the same size and it was probably 5 lbs heavier.
    2. The cranks are way short...127mm I think.

    Things I like about the Ibex:
    1. Has a triple in the front for the same price. We have big long hills out here, and I think he can use the gearing range. Specialized was 34 X 14-28.

    Otherwise I see little to differentiate the bikes. (RST vs Spinner fork?) Just let me know the Ibex is not obscenely heavy, and a quality product, and I might be sold. (I have no experience at all with the brand, but am not averse to mail order or self assemblage.)

    Anything else I should consider as well for a kids MTB?
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    Big IBEX fan here.

    Enel,

    Click> 07'Alpine 320K Weight: 23.5 lbs.*w/o pedals.

    Click> Hotrock Weight not listed.

    I pulled these up so everyone can see the bikes in question.
    Should help in getting a less bias opinion. IBEX IBEX IBEX

    Hope this gets you the help your looking for

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    cool... nice to get the kid started early... and yeah, you'd want a bike that will encourage him and not make him hate the sport for life... 23.5 lbs is pretty light though. I'm not too sure how much the hotrock weighs... get that lbs to weigh it for you. I'm sure they have a scale...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrpercussive
    I'm not too sure how much the hotrock weighs... get that lbs to weigh it for you. I'm sure they have a scale...
    Good idea. I called over and they weigh in at 25 lbs. This is with pedals so they are probably pretty close.

    I'm leaning towards the Ibex.
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    Just don't show the kid the bikes. My son picked the Haro V20 over the Ibex becuse the Haro came in Red, Blue or black (important to kids) vs. that horrible mint green Ibex chose.

    Overall the Ibex looks like a good kids bike but the Specialized has the cool flame paint job.
    Nothing to see here.

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    The V 20 looks nice, but the 40 X 28 gearing is not going to fly around these parts.
    Quote Originally Posted by buddhak
    And I thought I had a bike obsession. You are at once tragic and awesome.

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    Sorry Ibex

    I just couldn't pass up this deal, worse gearing or not:




    1/3 price.

    Still, considering his first two bikes were:

    1. free, found in the trash, rehabbed and still going strong, and
    2. $10 at a local garage sale,

    This is a big step up.

    For what it's worth, if I were buying new it would have been the Ibex.
    Quote Originally Posted by buddhak
    And I thought I had a bike obsession. You are at once tragic and awesome.

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    What a steal!

    Less than $110 shipped? That's a great price, and the bike probably still has a ton of life left in it. I'm sure your son is going to love it. Report back with some pics of him with the mile wide smile on his face.

    Bob
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    Quote Originally Posted by Call_me_Clyde
    Report back with some pics of him with the mile wide smile on his face.

    Bob
    Here are some teasers from last summer (this is the trash bike):


    Racing my 79 yo dad

    Trail a bike action (still the best way to get a great ride in with the kids)
    Quote Originally Posted by buddhak
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    Great deal Enel, and the pictures are priceless.

    Jake

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    Well, I went ahead and ordered the Ibex - so your off the hook Enel I did like the gearing a bit better and I promised my son he could go to the powder-coaters and pick his own custom color for it.

    My kids now have more bike related stuff than me: 2 16" haro BMXers, 1 12" Trek, a trail-a-bike, a trailer and a soon to come (I hope) Ibex 320K.
    Nothing to see here.

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    Not bad at all. I must say, I like that frame style a whole lot more than their new one for the 20" Hotrock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SSINGA
    Well, I went ahead and ordered the Ibex - so you're off the hook Enel
    HA...LOL.

    Quote Originally Posted by SSINGA
    My kids now have more bike related stuff than me: 2 16" haro BMXers, 1 12" Trek, a trail-a-bike, a trailer and a soon to come (I hope) Ibex 320K.
    The kids are up to:

    2 16" BMX
    1 12" BMX
    1 8" "push" bike (I always remove the training wheels and pedals on these little things to trail balance)
    Trail-a-bike

    I would call it a tie with me....the garage is getting full.

    I have four kids, however.

    I am really, really interested in getting a tandem trail-a-bike like Fo had. I was begging him to sell it to me when he was done with it, but he forgot and traded it for parts (for the RFX I think). They don't make them any more. If I could find one, I could take three kids at a time to ride since the oldest can really ride well. His sisters don't have nearly the interest, however and prefer to be towed along.
    Quote Originally Posted by buddhak
    And I thought I had a bike obsession. You are at once tragic and awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ibexbikes
    Not bad at all. I must say, I like that frame style a whole lot more than their new one for the 20" Hotrock.
    Me too, the new one is ugly.

    I also like that this older model does not have a suspension fork. I don't really know why a little kid should need one for the stuff they ride. Just added, nearly useless weight IMO.
    Quote Originally Posted by buddhak
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enel
    Me too, the new one is ugly.

    I also like that this older model does not have a suspension fork. I don't really know why a little kid should need one for the stuff they ride. Just added, nearly useless weight IMO.
    It depends on the fork. Nothing wrong with a rigid fork for most kids that age... it sure beats the hi-ten steel tube junk forks that come on department store bikes. A better grade alloy suspension fork like the Spinner Grind we use or the RST 200K on the newer Hotroack can be worthwhile, though. There is little else available for 20". In fact, the RST 200K is actually designed for recumbants w/ 20" wheels. It's OK for a kid bike application, but we find the Spinner a little more apropos. BTW, Spinner also shows up as the In-Sync brand, but they're now trying to get away from that and take a serious run at the US entry-level and mid-market under the Spinner brand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ibexbikes
    A better grade alloy suspension fork like the Spinner Grind we use or the RST 200K on the newer Hotroack can be worthwhile, though. There is little else available for 20". In fact, the RST 200K is actually designed for recumbants w/ 20" wheels. It's OK for a kid bike application, but we find the Spinner a little more apropos. BTW, Spinner also shows up as the In-Sync brand, but they're now trying to get away from that and take a serious run at the US entry-level and mid-market under the Spinner brand.

    JA
    Thanks for the info. Can these be found on the aftermarket?
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    nice pics... i see a trial rider in the near future...

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    Beautiful!

    Quote Originally Posted by Enel
    Here are some teasers from last summer (this is the trash bike):


    Racing my 79 yo dad

    Trail a bike action (still the best way to get a great ride in with the kids)
    Love the one racing grandpa! Looking forward to more of the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enel
    Thanks for the info. Can these be found on the aftermarket?
    Not vey likely. There is not much aftermarket demand for 20" forks.

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    Try ebay

    Quote Originally Posted by Enel
    Thanks for the info. Can these be found on the aftermarket?
    Occasionally you'll find 20" suspension forks. Look under Mountain Bikes as well as BMX. Just be sure of the steerer tube size on the Hotrock. Could be either 1" or 1 1/8". Right now, NYC bikes has a dual crown (yes, I said dual crown) suspension fork for a 20" bike up on ebay real cheap. It has a 1" threaded steerer tube.

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    Well, the sale fell through on the Hotrock. The seller did nothing for two weeks, then I got some lame excuse about them being in a car accident (maybe true), then they couldn't figure out how to ship the bike while avoiding oversized charges.

    In the end, I just got my money back. Pity because I would rather have had the bike.

    I went through the whole debate again. A buddy out here just got his kids a Scott Voltage, the ST is only 11 inches, and it has the 24" wheels. With the saddle slammed, the top is lower than the top of the wheels. Talk about stable.

    In the end, however, I decided to stay 20" since I have a lot of other kids coming up that can use the bike at a younger age when my son is ready for 24" bikes.

    Ibex 320K ordered. Clearly the best value/spec/gearing in the 20" world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enel
    Well, the sale fell through on the Hotrock. The seller did nothing for two weeks, then I got some lame excuse about them being in a car accident (maybe true), then they couldn't figure out how to ship the bike while avoiding oversized charges.

    In the end, I just got my money back. Pity because I would rather have had the bike.

    I went through the whole debate again. A buddy out here just got his kids a Scott Voltage, the ST is only 11 inches, and it has the 24" wheels. With the saddle slammed, the top is lower than the top of the wheels. Talk about stable.

    In the end, however, I decided to stay 20" since I have a lot of other kids coming up that can use the bike at a younger age when my son is ready for 24" bikes.

    Ibex 320K ordered. Clearly the best value/spec/gearing in the 20" world.
    That was a sweet frame on the Hotrock, sorry the seller bottomed out..

    I am glad you came back to IBEX..The C/S is the best and there bikes are even better

    Still gonna want pictures of the ride and rider..

    Jake

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    Are they on track for a Jan 20-25th ship date???
    Nothing to see here.

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    Please post here when the 320 and 440K's are shipping.

    Thanks,
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    Try sending IBEX an email (click>) info@ibexbikes.com
    When I corresponded 2or3 days ago, I was informed that there's more people manning the email to better serve the public..Jack also stated that they were up to their eye-ball in work and that his personal responses on this board would be limited, if at all for awhile..So if you need a quick answer, an email is most likely the best route..

    Jake

    PS>Up to their "eye-balls" is a good sign for people awaiting deliveries in the coming weeks
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