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    Riding on Oahu

    Well I just moved back to Oahu from San Diego. I'm currently saving up for a Kona Unit, almost there, and it has Maxxis Ikon tires. I'm not familiar with them as I have been running SB8s and occasionally a Nev up front on my stumpy HT. The guys at The Bike Shop recommended the Spec Ground Controls.

    So what do others use and recommend?

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    I am surprise you run SM8 at all for anything other than the months in the summer. One ride at Manawili or Miliani and you will want to throw them out.

    But since you are on single speed, it might be ok.

    Ground control worked pretty well for me. Nev. as well.

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    Well I have been avoiding going out to most trails until I got new tires. Which I did! I got a S-works 2.3 Ground control up front and a 2.1 Ground Control in the rear set up tubeless. So now I'm ready to go out and tackle some trails!

    The SB8's ran great in SD. I wasn't a fan of the Nev up front. The SB8s were fast and had great grip. They did great at Kaena Point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by worrptangl View Post

    The SB8's ran great in SD. I wasn't a fan of the Nev up front. The SB8s were fast and had great grip. They did great at Kaena Point.
    But I bet you didn't see much of this at Kaena Point.

    I love Nevs on the front.

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    Hell NO! That's why I wanted new tires. I remember that from my first tour here. I stuck with what I could ride using what I currently had. Now I' ready for the punishment to commence!

    What trail is that?

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    UH bike trail in Hilo (Big Island).

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    Nice I'd love to get over to the big island to ride!

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    Quote Originally Posted by worrptangl View Post
    Nice I'd love to get over to the big island to ride!
    If you ever make it here, let us know. We'll take you around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aikane View Post
    If you ever make it here, let us know. We'll take you around.
    Will do, Thanks!

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    Hey, I'm new to mountain bikes so forgive my lack of knowledge. I'm about to purchase a Sant Cruz heckler that comes with maxis high roller 2.35 wire(says the website), will that be a good enough tire for the trails around here? Or should I look to change them out when I get the bike?

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    Honestly I haven't heard too many bad things about those tires. Your best best to get out and ride to find out. They have enough tread and grip for most anything out here. I have not personally used them though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bumgilligan View Post
    ...heckler that comes with maxis high roller 2.35 wire(says the website), will that be a good enough tire for the trails around here?
    ...High Roller (F) and Crossmark (R) has been a pretty good recipe for predictability, traction, and rolling-resistance/pedalling-efficicency in all but the wettest conditions. Then again, when the rocks and roots are snot-slick, no tread design is going to save you anyway.

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    since the title seems appropriate for Oahu stuff, might as well recycle the thread.

    anyway, i have a question. is there any trail on Oahu that can be ridden despite the rain? don't want to damage trails when it's too wet but times like this long week of rain and i'm itching to ride... i kinda gave up riding on the street because i'm almost guaranteed punctures. the streets are littered with nails, broken glass etc. sad coz, on the other hand, i've never had flats on the trails. no budget for a tubeless setup yet and i'm thinking of saving up for a FS bike. slime tube and liners would make my bike heavier than it already is

    oh and the heckler is also my dream bike :P

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    Ride Karna point on northshore. Not much damage can be done if any.

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    hmm that is true. i'll go there for rainy weekends. how about the Old Pali Road trail?

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    Road is always ok, but dont do the dirt. Is always windy up there so it dries. But if u r going to do that, why not just ride up peakcock flats or do the fireroad by wheeler airforce base and the tunnel.

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    i was thinking Old Pali for short rides on weekdays after work plus it's closer

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    Alright guys, don't flame me, but figuring the thread says riding Oahu, I have a couple questions. Going to be there in December for two weeks, and I am bringing my bike. I'm staying over in Kapolei, I hope I spelt that right, at Disney Aulani resort, I know its like the very southwest corner of the island. So what I'm trying to do is help the misses plan out the family excursions, and she was asking how many days do I plan on full day rides. So, here is the questions, where and how many trails would be worth a full day effort. Also, are their "clubs" or guys to meet up with for some riding. DH and all mountain is the type of riding I like to do. I know its still pretty far out there for date, but before I know it, it will be Thanksgiving.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loll View Post
    Ride Karna point on northshore. Not much damage can be done if any.
    ...sorry to disagree but Kaena Point (and "Alan Davis"), during inclement-weather, has gritty/sandy mud that grinds mechs and scratches paint/clearcoat. A meticulous post-ride wash-down and relubing is protocol. Combine this fact with all the kiawe-thorns you'll be pulling from your tires and it's simply not worth it.

    Quote Originally Posted by db_8 View Post
    i was thinking Old Pali for short rides on weekdays after work plus it's closer
    Old Pali (Nu'uanu) would be kind of boring; Old Pali (windward) would be a good climb but the moss would make for a sketchy descent. That'd mean riding back down the (current) Pali or tempting fate on Maunawili Trail.

    Quote Originally Posted by Frosted Flakes View Post
    how many days do I plan on full day rides... where and how many trails would be worth a full day effort. Also, are their "clubs" or guys to meet up with for some riding. DH and all mountain is the type of riding I like to do.
    December can be hit-or-miss weather-wise; el-nino/la-nina factors hugely here. A full day translates to maybe a total commute time of 2 1/2 hrs, 3 hrs actually riding, +/- 1 hr B.S.-time on the trails and maybe having some suds post-ride (time varies here) for a total of about 8 hrs.

    Sunset Hills - easily 20+ miles of loops; some steeps and nice downhill-sections; maintained and buffed-out; guide suggested.
    Mililani - 25-30 miles of dirt-bike trails and jeep-roads; technical in "valleys"; good DH-sections but must pay dues; guide required.
    Maunawili - 10.5 miles one way; tech river-bed crossings; sketch cliff-sections; nice vistas; route is pretty self-explanatory
    Cambodia to Kahuku moto-x - ~25 miles total; roller-coaster up & downs; Cambodia is pretty technical; ride to Kahuku moto-x for additional miles of dirt-bike trails

    That covers the "AM/enduro" stuff.

    St Louis - lots of different routes down the hill; shuttle-happy DHer's can probably fit 5-6 runs before fore-arm cramps set in
    Kuliou'ou Ridge - 2 miles steep uphill to the bench = 2 miles of technical DH back to the start
    Peacock to Kealia - starts with 4 mile steep paved climb; add rolling jeep-road "across-the-ridge" to 19 technical switchbacks down Kealia (this probably quals as more AM but Kealia is so gnarly it fits the DH-category)

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    Emptybe_er, I from the Midwest, la nino, el Nino doesn't matter to much to me, unless its monsooning! I like riding in 40 degree weather, don't sweat as much! Okay now heres is the real question, how much beer is it going to cost me for your expertise in guidance amoungst the multitude of trail selection. I also need someone who knows the island and has a car.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frosted Flakes View Post
    Emptybe_er, , la nino, el Nino doesn't matter to much to me
    ohhhh...it will if you want to ride on O'ahu. I think a lot of riders put their bikes away during the wet season as the dirt out here tends to either turn to thick sticky mud or hard packed, slick clay.

    Good luck with the trip.

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    Oni, your squashing my epic dream of riding Hawaii!!!!!! Is christmas time the wet season?
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    rain rain go away!

    Quote Originally Posted by Frosted Flakes View Post
    Oni, your squashing my epic dream of riding Hawaii!!!!!! Is christmas time the wet season?
    Sorry, just call me dream killer.

    Can be. Can be extremely wet to dry, really depends on the season, hence the el nino/la nina comment earlier. I ended up hiking more this winter then riding, because it always seemed to work out that when I wanted to ride, it had been raining. We've had some nasty weather around Christmas/new years many times in the past.

    Where you're staying is on the dry part of the island. Off the top of my head, not a lot of riding out there. Could be wrong, not my 'hood so...Some crazy good hikes though. So long as you don't mind exposure.

    Many of the rides are in the mountains, which also tend to be the wettest part of the island. Rain clouds rise against the mountains, then dump rain or something weather sounded like that.

    Keep us in mind, drop a line when you get closer to coming out and we'll see what's ridable.

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    Ride-fees are expensive in the "Urban 808"; present-circumstances dictate a 6 of Newcastle, a 6 of Guinness Extra Stout, a 6 of Oni's fav and 6 of whatever your flavor might fancy for starters.

    A list of spots have been provided. If you ride in 40-degree weather, you should be fine in 75*/70% humidity conditions - obviously, my "expertise" has little credibility here....

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    Oni is right about the wet conditions. The mud is either so thick it will stop your wheel from turning or so slick it's like someone poured oil on the trail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by emptybe_er View Post
    obviously, my "expertise" has little credibility here....
    Sorry emptybe_er, didn't mean to question your expertise. You've been doing this a long time where I've only recently started riding again and can't really speak to any rides other than how crappy pedaling up St. Louis is.

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    If you don't mind riding in the rain there are plenty of trails to ride all year round, and emptybe_er knows them all. He doesn't put his bike away in the winter time. As long as you can keep him hydrated with the list of beverages he mentioned above, you couldn't find a better all mountain guide on O'ahu. Unless of course you don't like short, smelly obnoxious people, then you're out of luck...

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    Quote Originally Posted by emptybe_er View Post
    Ride-fees are expensive in the "Urban 808"; present-circumstances dictate a 6 of Newcastle, a 6 of Guinness Extra Stout, a 6 of Oni's fav and 6 of whatever your flavor might fancy for starters.

    A list of spots have been provided. If you ride in 40-degree weather, you should be fine in 75*/70% humidity conditions - obviously, my "expertise" has little credibility here....
    Is this a per ride fee or will that get me a couple of tours? Are all these beverage available on the island or do need to have a special shipment flown in?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pahikua View Post
    If you don't mind riding in the rain there are plenty of trails to ride all year round, and emptybe_er knows them all. He doesn't put his bike away in the winter time. As long as you can keep him hydrated with the list of beverages he mentioned above, you couldn't find a better all mountain guide on O'ahu. Unless of course you don't like short, smelly obnoxious people, then you're out of luck...
    Obnoxious and smelly, I will fit right in, short not sure about, unless 6' is considered short?
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    ...um, yeah, okay....

    Oni - read between the lines, man. Your choice of brew is listed after the "Extra Stouts" and "Newcastles".

    Pahi - take it easy Shawn Bradley (google that, F***er!); no more Mountain Dew for you!

    F-Flakes - lots of riding on this rock; take a peek at mtbhawaii(dot)com for a nice preview of trails; employ yourself chipping slate coated with KY-jelly with a jack-hammer in a sauna for a few hours per day and you'll be set come late autumn when you visit.

    Finally, remember, "...my 'expertise' has little credibility here."

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    Quote Originally Posted by emptybe_er View Post
    ...um, yeah, okay....

    Oni - read between the lines, man. Your choice of brew is listed after the "Extra Stouts" and "Newcastles".
    My interneting consists of when I can squeeze in me time after being Dad, so let's just say reading comprehension levels are low!

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    Is this an open invite?

    My daughter and I are headed there early second week of June. We'd love to get on mountain bikes for a day!

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    anyone going out for a ride this coming Saturday or Sunday? hit me up if there's an open invite for newbs. thanks!

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    Don't forget, their is a toll charge for local guidance! Thinking of ya emptybe_er!
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    ...Happy Thanksgiving!

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    Bontrager??

    Hey all,

    I am a displaced Washintonian, but I will be moving your way in October and I am so stocked about the new trails. Currently I am stationed in Oklahoma and from what I can tell the riding out in Oahu is a little different. I called the Trek Dealer and confirmed that the FR4 Bontrager tires I have are going to do nothing but soak up the mud. Any of you use Bontrager Tires, I have a remedy and I am thinking about running a xr3 front 2.35 with a Xr2 rear in a 2.2 any thoughts? At first I will be ridding near pearl harbor area, and then I will stretch out from there.

    I dont mind paying the beer toll to show me the local trails, and I am a big Guinness guy, but Rouge and Red Hook are my go to beers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by castle878 View Post
    Hey all,

    I am a displaced Washintonian, but I will be moving your way in October and I am so stocked about the new trails. At first I will be ridding near pearl harbor area, and then I will stretch out from there.

    I dont mind paying the beer toll to show me the local trails, and I am a big Guinness guy, but Rouge and Red Hook are my go to beers.
    Displaced Washingtonian,

    Moving our way won't necessarily leave you 'stocked' with a lot of new-trails. Ridding is 'limited' beyond the bounds of Pearl Harbor; especially since most of us are "small Guinness-guys" then again, some of us are stoked that you're a fan of Rogue & Red-Hook - damn-good Pacific NW brews....

    Ch-cheers!
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    I've been looking at a map of mtb Hawaii and it looks like pupukea might be the most fun. I'm fairly used to driving an hour plus to ride out here in Oklahoma, but the traffic is going to be an adjustment. I can see what your saying about there not being much on the Pearl Harbor part of the island. I did Durango Colorado this year and Moab Utah last year. So your right this will be a change. What island do you find has the best ridding?

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    Displaced Washingtonian,

    For most mainlander coming to ride Hawaii, Pupukea (Peacock Flat) is actually about as "mainland" trail like as you can get, with wide fireroad climbs, sandy and dry single tracks and double tracks. Most other places are infested with wet roots and mud, not to mention narrow trails that drops thousand feet straight down.

    Assuming you are with the military, hence Pearl Harbor, you should try some of the trails near where you are. Royal Summit is filled with jumps and mellower slopes.

    Until you get your root riding skills up to par, you can also try some of the easier trails at Mililani (somewhat close to where you live), and Kahuku motocross track. There are also some mainland~ish trails near wheeler airforce base.

    Empty Beer is a good guide for sure. Sometimes I am surprised to see him actively in the CA board and also in the HI board. Lucky guy... There are a few downhill and jump spots if you are into those things. They might not necessary be listed on mtbr.

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    Are there any trail maps of sunset hills besides whats on mtb Hawaii? I've ridden there twice but the mtb Hawaii map doesn't seem accurate.

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    Thanks for the advice. So as you pointed out roots are going to be a new experience for me. Besides getting use to them are there any good tricks for ridding over them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by castle878 View Post
    Thanks for the advice. So as you pointed out roots are going to be a new experience for me. Besides getting use to them are there any good tricks for ridding over them.
    Back then when Aiea Loop was still open to bikes, I would practice trialsin with a bmx there at the trail entrance. So, trialsin skills help.

    Otherwise, keep up your speed, and sometimes the line right next to the ledge is actually the line that is ridable. Also, I used to ride it with the granny gear and spin til I pass out hoping to clear as many roots as possible. But I was just starting out back then and that might not have been the best technique if you have leg power. Knowing track stand really helps.

    Oh, another trail closed to you is Mañana up at Pearl City Pacific Palisade. Very ridable from where you are at. Long climb on the road to the trail head though.

    Trails are not only rooty and wet, but also very narrow with straight down plunges. Be careful. My buddy felt close to a 100 foot down. Good thing there is alway thick brushes to cling on to.

    You will see this on part of Mañana trail.

    Nostayhome, when you say Sunset hills, do you mean Makakilo? Sorry man, no help if that is what you are referring to. i moved away from HI before that place got popular. Pretty sure Empty Beer knows it though.

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    Attitude has a lot to do with clearing root-sections. Look at the section with your chin up, shoulders squared and stay focused on where you intend to go. Remember that momentum is your friend, keep your weight slightly biased toward the rear while staying 'loose' on the bike.

    The same 'rules' apply in wet-conditions. In addition to the above, stay light on the front-brake (if you have to use it) and try to approach roots at a 90-degree angle.

    *Sunset Hills and Makakilo are totally different - various routes (of S.H.) can be seen on Strava but optimum direction(s) are hard to figure out; just gotta ride it, man!

    *"Empty Beer" and "emptybe_er" are two different people with similar mentalities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by emptybe_er View Post
    *Sunset Hills and Makakilo are totally different - various routes (of S.H.) can be seen on Strava but optimum direction(s) are hard to figure out; just gotta ride it, man!

    *"Empty Beer" and "emptybe_er" are two different people with similar mentalities.
    Thanks man. I kind of ditched the mtb Hawaii map when I was lost in the lilikoi grove. Maybe next time I'll take a friend since it's always better to be lost with a partner. lol

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    Hey emptybe_er,

    You seem to be the man with the local knowledge, and a serious thirst. I'll be on island early in Aug, bringing the Yeti, and need some advice. I'll have 3-4 days available to ride and really want to make the most of it. I've ridden the motor cross area on the noshore several years ago (rode up from Foodland to the end of the road, hopped the gate and kept going, ended up god only knows where. Great ride). Anyway, I've got respectable skills and don't mind a challenge. Love to climb. Them roots ain't my favorite, but there definitely something different than here in Colorado. What do you suggest? And where can a guy get a Red Hook ESB afterward?

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    Early August is typically warm & humid (88-degrees/60%-humidity). Leave your yeti at home; he/she won't enjoy this type of weather no matter how much Red Hook is available. For riding, try Pupukea-Paumalu which is near the moto-x area you fondly remember. That is my suggestion.
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    Funny. Sounds like I'm headed back to the north shore. I'll be on that ride first thing the morning of the 8th.

    More more question. I'll probably put some new treads on before leaving Colorado. Obviously way different terrain. What tire do you guys find works well for your conditions?

    Thanks.

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    I've only been on "that ride" the eighth-thing on the afternoon of the 1st so I might not be the best counsel regarding the matter. "Conditions" and "terrain" shouldn't differ much [between CO & HI (on the 1st or 8th of August] assuming the discussion is about dirt, roots, rocks, etc. Tires made of rubber and inflated to about 2.5-bars with a decent knobby-tread pattern shoud suffice. Worry more about hydration...
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    Good call on the hydration. Thanks. I'll just go with the Nevegal, I suppose.

    Cheers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jamesbond3 View Post
    Would it be better to rent a motorcycle in Oahu than a car?
    If you're coming to Oahu on vacation, a car; to commit suicide, a motorcycle.
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