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    GG Smash 140mm 29er

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    VitalMTB is releasing a First Ride on The Smash today as well.

    North Shore Mountain Bike also posted the press release, verbatim: https://nsmb.com/articles/guerrilla-...aunches-smash/

    There's also a press release here on mtbr: Guerrilla Gravity The Smash 29er launched - Mtbr.com

    Folks had been asking us for a 29er Megatrail, and that's what The Smash is. Ask away with questions.

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    What does flipping between crush and plush do to the geometry numbers, like HA and BB height? Also are the geo numbers on the chart in crush or plush mode??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apolonios View Post
    What does flipping between crush and plush do to the geometry numbers, like HA and BB height? Also are the geo numbers on the chart in crush or plush mode??
    Geometry numbers are listed for Crush Mode. In Plush Mode, the BB is 2mm taller, but the top stroke is a little softer and rides at about the same height in both.

    The key difference is in ride feel from the leverage curve. Vital tested both configurations with an air shock, and coil shock at two different spring rates, so they should be posting that soon. One setup that I like is Crush for most trail rides, and switch to Plush for bike park riding.

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    Cool thanks, the bike looks solid.

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    The geo #'s look pretty similar to the Pistola. If I threw a 150mm fork on my Pistola, would it basically be a slightly slacker version of the Smash with 10mm less rear travel, or are is the ride and suspension quality different?

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    Cool bike.

    Why the long seat tube on the medium? Droppers are getting longer but my legs aren't.

    Why a head tube with an external lower headset cup? Seems to needlessly increase the stack, especially on the small, and medium sizes.
    I got some bad ideas in my head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mdc View Post
    The geo #'s look pretty similar to the Pistola. If I threw a 150mm fork on my Pistola, would it basically be a slightly slacker version of the Smash with 10mm less rear travel, or are is the ride and suspension quality different?
    You'd be close, and that's a ripping setup. The Smash is softer in the top stroke, but the aggressive Pistol setup is still pretty awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis Bickle View Post
    Cool bike.

    Why the long seat tube on the medium? Droppers are getting longer but my legs aren't.

    Why a head tube with an external lower headset cup? Seems to needlessly increase the stack, especially on the small, and medium sizes.
    I think you might be comparing seat tube lengths to bikes made for shorter people. In other words, our medium is made for folks around 5'8" to 6'1", whereas most size mediums are made for folks around 5'6" to 5'10".

    The seat tube length is optimized based on our experience for riders in that height range and fits the vast majority of folks well. However, if you wanted a shorter than normal seat tube, that can be done for an extra charge. We've done that a handful of times, for example, a size medium frame with a size small seat tube.

    Headset stack: it's included in the front end height that's designed in. The current front end heights were determined from rider feedback on previous bikes, plus taking note of how people were setting up demo bikes, getting people to try multiple stack heights and reporting back. Headtube heights were adjusted such that the folks that liked the lowest front end for a given frame size run the stem slammed, and folks that like a taller front end don't have to run BMX handlebars.

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    The reach and top tube are good but, a 150mm dropper will just fit. I'm 5'9.5". I owned a Mondraker Vantage frame that has the reach, but a shorter seat tube. Lots of large frames come with your medium seat tube.
    I got some bad ideas in my head.

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    My point was that our size medium overlaps with some size large frames. But, it doesn't matter too much since we can do a shorter seat tube. You wouldn't be the first person to get that. 5'9.5" with a 150mm dropper probably fits with the standard geo, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtg7aa View Post
    My point was that our size medium overlaps with some size large frames. But, it doesn't matter too much since we can do a shorter seat tube. You wouldn't be the first person to get that. 5'9.5" with a 150mm dropper probably fits with the standard geo, though.
    Not that it matters in my case, but that's quite remarkable that a customer can get that level of frame customization. Very impressive!
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    Singletracks.com has a first ride review posted: https://www.singletracks.com/blog/mt...g-travel-29er/

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtg7aa View Post
    My point was that our size medium overlaps with some size large frames. But, it doesn't matter too much since we can do a shorter seat tube. You wouldn't be the first person to get that. 5'9.5" with a 150mm dropper probably fits with the standard geo, though.
    I'm 5'10" with a 30" (jeans) inseam. A medium Smash/MegaTrail fit me with a 150 dropper with almost 2 fingers of post exposed above the seat collar. I could've maybe even squeezed a 170 dropper.

    Consider the 'medium' a Large and you're good.
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    Sick. GG now has two bikes on my short list, and my list keeps getting shorter.

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    You guys need an east coast demo tour. While I keep reading great things about your bikes, I 'd have to ride one before buying.

    Based on my Specialized experience I have doubts about horst link bikes.
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    Can you talk about the decision to go with a relatively high BB with the current trend going lower and lower? FWIW I'm not complaining I live somewhere really rooty and rocky! Just wondering what made you guys buck the industry trend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoTone View Post
    You guys need an east coast demo tour. While I keep reading great things about your bikes, I 'd have to ride one before buying.

    Based on my Specialized experience I have doubts about horst link bikes.
    I had similar doubts about Horst link based on past Spec. experience. However, I've tried bikes from Transition, Norco, and GG and they are worlds better than the old Spec. bikes. They've really developed the design into something that really works much better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoTone View Post
    You guys need an east coast demo tour. While I keep reading great things about your bikes, I 'd have to ride one before buying.

    Based on my Specialized experience I have doubts about horst link bikes.
    We made it out to the South East this year for the first time, and East/North East is in the plans for next season. There are some BAMF's, plus at least one Outpost out that way, though. If you know of a shop that would be a good candidate to bring in GG demo bikes, send them our way.

    Suspension platform: that's less important than the implementation. It's the actual kinematics graphs that matter, which any given platform can produce a huge array of performance characteristics. For example, ride a GG/DH, and then a Megatrail, one using a monopivot, and the other using a Horst link, and they have similar DNA. There are certainly some differences from platform to platform, but again, the implementation is the biggest factor. Some inherent platform differences are leverage curve details. For example, a top mounted shock rocker link cannot produce the same leverage curve that's on the Trail Pistol, Megatrail, Shred Dogg, or The Smash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    Can you talk about the decision to go with a relatively high BB with the current trend going lower and lower? FWIW I'm not complaining I live somewhere really rooty and rocky! Just wondering what made you guys buck the industry trend.
    Yep. We pushed as low as possible on BB heights back in 2014 with the first generation Megatrail, 13.2" Trail Mode, 12.7" Gravity Mode. While it absolutely murders corners, overall, riders asked us to raise it up a bit. Hence, the second gen Megatrail is a little taller.
    The current lineup of GG bikes is most definitely still on the low side of the spectrum, and when designing The Smash, it is intended for chunky terrain, and hence made sense to go with a little more pedal clearance. For comparison, it's still lower or no taller than some other longer travel 29ers out there.

    So, we've already "been there, done that" with super low BB heights and have come back to a happier medium based on what riders have asked for.

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    What's in common with Mega and Surface?

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    VitalMTB is releasing a First Ride on The Smash today as well.

    North Shore Mountain Bike also posted the press release, verbatim: https://nsmb.com/articles/guerrilla-...aunches-smash/

    There's also a press release here on mtbr: Guerrilla Gravity The Smash 29er launched - Mtbr.com

    Folks had been asking us for a 29er Megatrail, and that's what The Smash is. Ask away with questions.

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    Couple of questions:

    1 - How much of the Smash, if any, is in common with the MegaTrail? I love that the Mega can be converted to a Shred Dog, of vice versa, with a shock swap. Wondering if any such relationship exists between the Smash and those bikes, as they look awfully similar (only number I can see a difference in is the chainstay, with Smash being 2mm longer). The reason I even ask this question, is this year I bought a 2017 Chromag Surface as my second bike and I'm really digging the steep seat angle*, long reach and 29er wheels. Switching back to the HD3 now feels awkward and I'm thinking a GG bike, with really similar numbers, would be a better combo with the Surface. The easiest way for me to get onto a GG is to buy a MegaTrail and move parts over from the HD3, but eventually I think I'd like to have both bikes be 29ers, hence the question. ie - if I buy a Mega or Shred Dog now, can I switch it to a Smash in the future with a new shock or link or...?

    2 - Second question is about the steep seat tube (hence the asterisk in the above paragraph). I have to say it was a hard adjustment going to the steeper angle on the Surface, and I'm not sure I'm there yet as I had to put the setback option on my 9point8 dropper or my knees just couldn't take it. Do you find some people just can't ride with the super steep seat tube angles? Are there other adjustments that need to be made to make it work? I found raising the seat higher than on the HD3 helped as well.

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by phat_tony View Post
    2 - Second question is about the steep seat tube (hence the asterisk in the above paragraph). I have to say it was a hard adjustment going to the steeper angle on the Surface, and I'm not sure I'm there yet as I had to put the setback option on my 9point8 dropper or my knees just couldn't take it. Do you find some people just can't ride with the super steep seat tube angles?
    I had to do the same thing with my 9.8 to get an efficient pedalling position for my body. I can always slide forward on the saddle for a few minutes on a steep climb, but I can't slide back off the saddle to pedal on the flats or when things are less steep.
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    What kind of fork offset do you use for the smash.
    Is shipping to germany possible?
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    Quote Originally Posted by phat_tony View Post
    Couple of questions:

    1 - How much of the Smash, if any, is in common with the MegaTrail? I love that the Mega can be converted to a Shred Dog, of vice versa, with a shock swap. Wondering if any such relationship exists between the Smash and those bikes, as they look awfully similar (only number I can see a difference in is the chainstay, with Smash being 2mm longer). The reason I even ask this question, is this year I bought a 2017 Chromag Surface as my second bike and I'm really digging the steep seat angle*, long reach and 29er wheels. Switching back to the HD3 now feels awkward and I'm thinking a GG bike, with really similar numbers, would be a better combo with the Surface. The easiest way for me to get onto a GG is to buy a MegaTrail and move parts over from the HD3, but eventually I think I'd like to have both bikes be 29ers, hence the question. ie - if I buy a Mega or Shred Dog now, can I switch it to a Smash in the future with a new shock or link or...?

    2 - Second question is about the steep seat tube (hence the asterisk in the above paragraph). I have to say it was a hard adjustment going to the steeper angle on the Surface, and I'm not sure I'm there yet as I had to put the setback option on my 9point8 dropper or my knees just couldn't take it. Do you find some people just can't ride with the super steep seat tube angles? Are there other adjustments that need to be made to make it work? I found raising the seat higher than on the HD3 helped as well.

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    1. Yep, you can get a conversion kit to go from Megatrail/Shred Dog to The Smash if you wanted to do so after the fact.

    2. If you want your saddle position further behind the BB, an offset head dropper post is the solution, and 9point8 is a good one, as they have a 25mm offset option. Then, you still get the benefit of the saddle traveling in a steeper path for a more consistent cockpit length on rolling terrain, it's just further behind the BB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Igetyou1982 View Post
    What kind of fork offset do you use for the smash.
    Is shipping to germany possible?
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    We have 51mm offset forks in stock, but can get lower offset if you want. The lead time will be higher.

    Being in Germany, we suggest you go through Shorelines Distribution in the UK. https://www.shore-lines.co.uk/

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    This is the first bike I've seen in a long time that has me wanting to build up another full suspension rig. Good job, Guerrilla Gravity guys!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtg7aa View Post
    We have 51mm offset forks in stock, but can get lower offset if you want. The lead time will be higher.

    Being in Germany, we suggest you go through Shorelines Distribution in the UK. https://www.shore-lines.co.uk/

    Thanks for your quick reply.

    What would you say going with a 46mm offest to get more grip on the frontwheel and more stability.

    Or would you still recommend 51mm Offset

    How is the BB Drop?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtg7aa View Post
    1. Yep, you can get a conversion kit to go from Megatrail/Shred Dog to The Smash if you wanted to do so after the fact.

    2. If you want your saddle position further behind the BB, an offset head dropper post is the solution, and 9point8 is a good one, as they have a 25mm offset option. Then, you still get the benefit of the saddle traveling in a steeper path for a more consistent cockpit length on rolling terrain, it's just further behind the BB.
    Can one get a Smash rear end to fit the v1 MT?

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    "1. Yep, you can get a conversion kit to go from Megatrail/Shred Dog to The Smash if you wanted to do so after the fact."

    Could you do something similar with a TPistola to get the added travel of the Smash? REplace the rear end and swap out shocks perhaps?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Igetyou1982 View Post
    Thanks for your quick reply.

    What would you say going with a 46mm offest to get more grip on the frontwheel and more stability.

    Or would you still recommend 51mm Offset

    How is the BB Drop?
    I've ridden both 46mm offset and 51mm offset 29er forks, albeit with a time gap in between. I don't think there's a difference in grip, but you have more trail, ie self centering, with the 46mm offset. The steering isn't quite as light with the shorter offset, but a little more stable. Either works well.

    BB drop is 30mm on The Smash.

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    kragu and mdc:

    The Smash rear end does not fit on the first gen Megatrail, but it does fit on the 2nd gen Megatrail

    You can't convert a Trail Pistol into The Smash. However, the 55mm stroke coil shock with 140 or 150 travel fork on the Trail Pistol is super capable. I believe yours is set up that way, right?

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    Currently have the RS Super Deluxe Air at 130, and an MRP Stage at 140. Might swap the fork out for either a 150 MRP Ribbon or Fox 36.

    I'm finding that the Pistola setup with 30% sag and 3 volume spacers in Crush mode is pretty perfect. I rarely bottom the shock, but do with the fork. I'll probably change the travel on the Stage to 150 and give it a go at the bike park before pulling the trigger on a new longer travel fork. I don't want the front end to get weird on climbs etc. etc.

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    Not a alloy fan or HL fan but being basically the ONLY new bike with a decent-height BB, I'd definitely look at this and try to demo one to see how the geo and suspension work. If not too long on the trail, it could be on the next shortlist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flyer View Post
    Not a alloy fan or HL fan ....
    Why is that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flyer View Post
    Not a alloy fan or HL fan but being basically the ONLY new bike with a decent-height BB, I'd definitely look at this and try to demo one to see how the geo and suspension work. If not too long on the trail, it could be on the next shortlist.
    FWIW, I came from a carbon frame to an alloy GG bike and don't notice the weight difference at all. Also, their implementation of the HL doesn't seem to give up anything versus other designs. My GG bike climbs like a rocket.

    Before writing these bikes off because of the material or suspension design, I'd highly recommend riding one first. I'd bet that you'd be very surprised.
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    I'm fine with alloy and even more fine with a bike that's built in the USA.

    Last weekend at Mountain Bike Oregon my riding buddy demo'd a very popular, world cup winning brand that shall remain nameless, anyway carbon frame with a press-fit BB. It creaked like an old wooden bed on wedding night. I'll take a thread-in BB, thanks very much. I know some carbon frames have them but so do all of GG's frames.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparticus View Post
    It creaked like an old wooden bed on wedding night. =sParty
    LOL! That's one of the best analogies that I've read in a long time!
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    Damn... I just got a Snabb Plus which is a great bike but I would have loved to get The Smash. Maybe I'll swap out frames next year.

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    The only thing I don't get is why GG named their tube/whatnot holder "NUTS" (Necessities Under The Saddle). It's not under the saddle. Nope. Traditional tube holder bags strap under the saddle.

    GG should have called theirs the NOBB -- Necessities Over the Bottom Bracket.

    A nitpick I admit, but accuracy is a thing.
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    Looks like the bike is actually reasonably affordable. Surprising since it is welded up in the USA. I'm not currently in the market, but this bike does appear to check all my boxes. I see that the XL is definitely clyde-worthy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparticus View Post
    The only thing I don't get is why GG named their tube/whatnot holder "NUTS" (Necessities Under The Saddle). It's not under the saddle. Nope. Traditional tube holder bags strap under the saddle.

    GG should have called theirs the NOBB -- Necessities Over the Bottom Bracket.

    A nitpick I admit, but accuracy is a thing.
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    Well, it is technically under the saddle. It's just not immediately under the saddle

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    Please stick with NUTS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtg7aa View Post
    Well, it is technically under the saddle. It's just not immediately under the saddle
    LOL, just poking the bear.
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    when is an 11-6 going to be available?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Streetdoctor View Post
    when is an 11-6 going to be available?
    I've hit up Darren, probably will be taking The Smash up to Push soon.

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    Can it accept a bigger fork? I am currently shopping for a riot replacement (cannot use more then 140 and is underforked for my style) , so if so when can I drive up the rode and ride one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hitechredneck View Post
    Can it accept a bigger fork? I am currently shopping for a riot replacement (cannot use more then 140 and is underforked for my style) , so if so when can I drive up the rode and ride one?
    Yes, The Smash accepts fork travels of 140 - 160mm, so yeah it can take a longer fork.

    And, yes, you can come check out a demo. Email or call the shop to reserve a demo. 303-955-4163, Bikes@RideGG.com

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    Would there be clearance for running a longer stroke shock? Say a 230x60 or 65?

    It takes half a joule more to accelerate Brass Nipples over Alloy Nipples on a 29er to 30kph.

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    This may be my next ride. I do not like to switch out too often, but seems to check the boxes, anxious to sit on one and see if it fits, I got to be comfortable......on the short list of choices for sure.

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    I'm 5'9" fairly normal proportions. My experience with long wheelbase bikes has not been great. I typically prefer a smaller size bike. Thoughts on going with a small vs the medium recommended by GG. Would the 23" top tube length on the small suck for seated climbing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldHouseMan View Post
    I'm 5'9" fairly normal proportions. My experience with long wheelbase bikes has not been great. I typically prefer a smaller size bike. Thoughts on going with a small vs the medium recommended by GG. Would the 23" top tube length on the small suck for seated climbing?
    My concern would be having to use a longer than optimal stem, so you are not cramped. The long top tube, and reach are what I like about this bike
    I got some bad ideas in my head.

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    What size water bottle fits in the medium frame?
    I got some bad ideas in my head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by softbatch View Post
    Would there be clearance for running a longer stroke shock? Say a 230x60 or 65?

    Nope, the reason The Smash has 140mm rear travel is that when you go more travel with 29" wheels (on a non DH bike), geometry sacrifices have to be made. Most common is the bent nail seat tube, which can produce an eff STA that sounds good, but makes for odd saddle positions over different saddle heights. Other than that, the BB height gets too tall, or the chainstays get long, or a combination of the above.
    With that, The Smash was designed to maximize the travel via fine tuning the kinematics. Great traction and small bump compliance, and enough bottom out support to smash into the rough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldHouseMan View Post
    I'm 5'9" fairly normal proportions. My experience with long wheelbase bikes has not been great. I typically prefer a smaller size bike. Thoughts on going with a small vs the medium recommended by GG. Would the 23" top tube length on the small suck for seated climbing?
    That sounds like the small would be best. And if you need more cockpit room, slide the saddle back on the rails, and a stem length of 50-60mm.
    If you want more specifics, email us, Bikes@RideGG.com. Helping folks figure out which size will fit perfectly is very common.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis Bickle View Post
    What size water bottle fits in the medium frame?
    There are no standards for bottles and cages, other than the OD of the bottle, so there is no hard rule on exactly what fits.
    However, the water bottle included in the Frame Storage Kit available with the frame/bike holds 21 oz.

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    Loving how this bike looks on paper. What's the lead time on orders right now? Say, for a raw Smash frame with white stickers in XL, no rear shock? I'm 6'7" 250lbs (34" inseam) and it looks like a clyde worthy ride! PS...not quite apples to apples but I'm down to this or a new Hightower LT XXL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fishrising View Post
    Loving how this bike looks on paper. What's the lead time on orders right now? Say, for a raw Smash frame with white stickers in XL, no rear shock? I'm 6'7" 250lbs (34" inseam) and it looks like a clyde worthy ride! PS...not quite apples to apples but I'm down to this or a new Hightower LT XXL.
    Call or email the shredquarters, 303-955-4163 or Bikes@RideGG.com to get the most accurate answer on lead times.
    At 6'7", the steep actual seat tube angle on The Smash is going to be a game changer for climbing. 250lbs is no issue.

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    I've been shopping for new ride for over a year, and The Smash has jumped right towards the top of the list.

    The fact that you say no issue to 250 pounds really interests me. What do you think about 6'3" and 290lbs all geared up, including water? I had a bike shop tell me they could set a stumpjumper up to suit me, but the rear shock had so much air in it that I knew it didn't feel the way it was supposed to. I've never ridden a bike with anywhere close to the leverage numbers of The Smash or Trail Pistol (going by travel divided by shock stroke)... can a big dude like me really set up The Smash to ride at least close to how it would ride for a normal sized person?

    I want to pull the trigger so bad lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IceBuerg View Post
    I've been shopping for new ride for over a year, and The Smash has jumped right towards the top of the list.

    The fact that you say no issue to 250 pounds really interests me. What do you think about 6'3" and 290lbs all geared up, including water? I had a bike shop tell me they could set a stumpjumper up to suit me, but the rear shock had so much air in it that I knew it didn't feel the way it was supposed to. I've never ridden a bike with anywhere close to the leverage numbers of The Smash or Trail Pistol (going by travel divided by shock stroke)... can a big dude like me really set up The Smash to ride at least close to how it would ride for a normal sized person?

    I want to pull the trigger so bad lol.
    290 geared up is also fine. I was running numbers earlier today for somebody that's 300lbs. Over the past several years, coil sprung shocks have seen a resurgence, which we are fans of, and air springs have evolved to larger negative air volumes. Both of those are a good thing, and work better at lower overall leverage ratios. Additionally, more folks are going back to a one bike quiver and riding bike parks on their "one bike". Lower leverage ratios help the shock run cooler when pounding park laps as well.
    So, when designing new/updating frames, the leverage ratios were all set fairly low for those reasons.
    At 290lbs geared up, you'll probably be on a 650lb/in coil spring, for example.

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    That is all music to my ears! Thank you for your fast response. If my wife new how many hours I've spent on your bike builder, well, it wouldn't be good. As of now, it's looking like the Ride 1 build with Zee brakes and the Super Deluxe RC3 Coil, and maybe the e13 cassette. Maybe the GX Eagle group will be an option at some point, but not having it wouldn't keep me from buying.

    Thanks again for your help!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtg7aa View Post
    Call or email the shredquarters, 303-955-4163 or Bikes@RideGG.com to get the most accurate answer on lead times.
    At 6'7", the steep actual seat tube angle on The Smash is going to be a game changer for climbing. 250lbs is no issue.
    Not sure who is behind this userid at GG, but thanks! I've emailed/spoken to both Allison and Will. Awesome people to deal with! I ordered a XL Smash!!!!! XL raw finish, white decals...coming to my bike shop here in Connecticut!

    So once built, if anyone wants to see it and are local, maybe we can meet up...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtg7aa View Post
    At 6'7", the steep actual seat tube angle on The Smash is going to be a game changer for climbing.
    I'll attest to this and I'm "only" 6'3" tall.

    Steep seat tube angles became de rigueur for me back in 1994 when I had a custom frame built around 200mm cranks -- the steep SA was needed to achieve some degree of KOPS. Since those days my crank choice has shifted to shorter (currently 185mm) but in any case for me the steep SA was an awakening to amazing climbing ability. That was over two decades ago yet to this day my choice remains a 76-77 degree SA. The steep SA that GG employs in their frames is a key reason I decided to get one of their Trail Pistols six months ago.

    Other factors include creak-free threaded BB in a metal frame built right here in the USA. GG's bikes are quite capable. The more I ride mine, the more I love it.
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    This /\ - 3 bikes in one basically (well w some extra's to make happen) - w diff ride characteristics, wheel size etc... so intriguing the new design/direction here! Im not "looking" for a different bike, but still feeling a need to ride a version and see how i feel after!! Pretty cool that they are a short 20 mins from home! Have demoed some stuff in the past and all was pretty dang impressive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtg7aa View Post
    290 geared up is also fine. I was running numbers earlier today for somebody that's 300lbs. Over the past several years, coil sprung shocks have seen a resurgence, which we are fans of, and air springs have evolved to larger negative air volumes. Both of those are a good thing, and work better at lower overall leverage ratios. Additionally, more folks are going back to a one bike quiver and riding bike parks on their "one bike". Lower leverage ratios help the shock run cooler when pounding park laps as well.
    So, when designing new/updating frames, the leverage ratios were all set fairly low for those reasons.
    At 290lbs geared up, you'll probably be on a 650lb/in coil spring, for example.

    The trigger is located here: Guerrilla Gravity | The Smash | 2017 Build Kits
    I have a Trail Pistol and have settled on a pretty decent setting using the stock RS RC3 Super Deluxe air shock. I am pretty much the same size and run it in Plush Mode which is a higher LR than Crush Mode. 3 Air Can spacers and 270PSI which gets me 30% sag on the money. Seems pretty supple over the braking chop and I have yet to even get close to bottoming out, although jumping is not my thing as gravity is not my friend.

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    After building 100% all Shimano XTR/XT stuff for my entire life of riding 30+ years. I bought into the hype of Eagle X01. I will never go back. Simply superior shifting. Still running Saint brakes though. You definitely need 203's and Zees or Saints.

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    Hey Matt, Good looking bike. Ticks a lot of boxes.

    Curious as to why you spec the 140 fork as standard. Seems like in order to get more separation from the Trail Pistol (and Pistola) you'd design it around 150-160mm fork as standard. Did it ride better with the 140 during your testing? Wanted to keep the bb height down in a more acceptable range? Does the turning get too slow or front end start wandering/flopping on steep climbs too much with the longer options?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtg7aa View Post
    Well, it is technically under the saddle. It's just not immediately under the saddle
    How abut TITT= Tube in the Taint

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    Quote Originally Posted by KRob View Post
    Hey Matt, Good looking bike. Ticks a lot of boxes.

    Curious as to why you spec the 140 fork as standard. Seems like in order to get more separation from the Trail Pistol (and Pistola) you'd design it around 150-160mm fork as standard. Did it ride better with the 140 during your testing? Wanted to keep the bb height down in a more acceptable range? Does the turning get too slow or front end start wandering/flopping on steep climbs too much with the longer options?
    This is a great question. Seems Vital's review preferred a 150 fork.
    I like 'em long, low, slack and playful

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    Quote Originally Posted by KRob View Post
    Hey Matt, Good looking bike. Ticks a lot of boxes.

    Curious as to why you spec the 140 fork as standard. Seems like in order to get more separation from the Trail Pistol (and Pistola) you'd design it around 150-160mm fork as standard. Did it ride better with the 140 during your testing? Wanted to keep the bb height down in a more acceptable range? Does the turning get too slow or front end start wandering/flopping on steep climbs too much with the longer options?
    Thanks.

    The default fork travel isn't terribly important due to the builds allowing customization. Anybody that wants 150 or 160 can easily do so. However, part of why 140 is the default comes down to the riders we've noticed that tend to prefer the longer forked, more aggressive setups also tend to be the riders more likely to customize the build, whereas the folks that tend to do less customizing tend to prefer the aggro knob on 9, not necessarily 11. Hence 140 by default.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtg7aa View Post
    Thanks.

    The default fork travel isn't terribly important due to the builds allowing customization. Anybody that wants 150 or 160 can easily do so. However, part of why 140 is the default comes down to the riders we've noticed that tend to prefer the longer forked, more aggressive setups also tend to be the riders more likely to customize the build, whereas the folks that tend to do less customizing tend to prefer the aggro knob on 9, not necessarily 11. Hence 140 by default.
    I'm riding my Pistola at 160 currently waiting for a 140mm shaft for my 36. Handles great but I could see that dropping the front 20mm would benefit climbing wheel flop a bit. For that reason I will try it out and report back.

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    Sooper important question here for anyone who has a black GG bike... how black is it? Glossy and covered in the fingerprints of al it's admirers? Flat to the point that it always looks a little dirty? It's tough to tell from the pictures...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott2MTB View Post
    Sooper important question here for anyone who has a black GG bike... how black is it? Glossy and covered in the fingerprints of al it's admirers? Flat to the point that it always looks a little dirty? It's tough to tell from the pictures...
    More like in between Flat and Glossy. Satin actually. PC is not thick and almost looks like my anodized Turner frame. But the Turner is media blasted prior so it has a slightly different texture. I cannot attest to the durability as I have only had it a month or so.
    Seems like most get raw. No thanks. As cool as that looks , there is a constant desire to polish it that I never resolve until I actually do it and then I am buffing or scotch padding it all the time as it will oxidize and repeat that cycle forever.
    I'll take PC or Ano everytime. Low maintenance, ride rinse and repeat.

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    I need some smash porn. Where are the pics?

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    I need some smash porn. Where are the pics?

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    Quote Originally Posted by letsgo View Post
    I need some smash porn. Where are the pics?
    GG's Instagram feed has had some Smash pics.
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    seen those, but there has to be more out there. need something to hold me over till I get mine. oh and I check Instagram 5, 6 times a day

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    Quote Originally Posted by letsgo View Post
    seen those, but there has to be more out there. need something to hold me over till I get mine. oh and I check Instagram 5, 6 times a day
    might not be a smash but might help hold you over till you get yours.


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    man that purple really pops. nice looking ride. How do you like the 11-6?

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    Quote Originally Posted by letsgo View Post
    man that purple really pops. nice looking ride. How do you like the 11-6?
    the purple really sold me when I saw it in person. and the 11-6 is incredible I think it is worth every penny. but that is just my opinion im sure others will say it is over priced and over hyped.

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    Deeeaaamn that is sweet lookin

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldHouseMan View Post
    I'm 5'9" fairly normal proportions...Thoughts on going with a small vs the medium
    I'm the same height and have a small Pistola w/ a 50mm stem. The bike is a blast in the tight & twisty stuff as well as high-speed open trails around SW Idaho. I demo'd a few mediums and fit fine on those. The medium is roomier and more stable at speed. I think it depends on your trails and riding style.

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    Most people at 5'9" prefer the medium, but that's not always the case, per Wayndar. Email us and we can help guide you to the best size for your riding and terrain.

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    Is it true that the only coil shock currently made (in 230x57.5) to fit this frame is the OEM Rock Shox Super Deluxe RCT coil? I've tried to do some research across Fox, DVO, Cane Creek, etc and I can't find another. Even among Rock Shox, it seems to only be the OEM version. Can anyone shed some light on this? Or maybe I'm just misunderstanding something or searching for the wrong thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fishrising View Post
    Is it true that the only coil shock currently made (in 230x57.5) to fit this frame is the OEM Rock Shox Super Deluxe RCT coil? I've tried to do some research across Fox, DVO, Cane Creek, etc and I can't find another. Even among Rock Shox, it seems to only be the OEM version. Can anyone shed some light on this? Or maybe I'm just misunderstanding something or searching for the wrong thing.
    If you contact DVO they put together one for you. Just get the frame without a shock.
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    Shock sizing: RockShox has a coil in 230x57.5. We've been talking to DVO about adding their shocks and forks as options in the build kits. I believe somebody just recently ordered a DVO shock with The Smash.
    Push is also going to do an ELEVENSIX for The Smash, I've been working on scheduling a time for Darren to borrow a bike.
    Cane Creek should have either a DB coil or Inline coil in 230x57.5 as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtg7aa View Post
    Shock sizing: RockShox has a coil in 230x57.5. We've been talking to DVO about adding their shocks and forks as options in the build kits. I believe somebody just recently ordered a DVO shock with The Smash.
    Push is also going to do an ELEVENSIX for The Smash, I've been working on scheduling a time for Darren to borrow a bike.
    Cane Creek should have either a DB coil or Inline coil in 230x57.5 as well.
    Thanks @mtg7aa! My bike shop ordered me a xl Smash a couple of weeks ago and have a call into you guys to talk about shocks before the frame ships. Hopefully you guys connect before it ships. We may need an OEM super deluxe rct coil added to the frame. I wanted to get a DVO Jade coil for it but I from what I'm hearing they don't have the tooling to build one yet.

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    Alright you private riders. How are you liking or not liking The Smash. Give us your reviews? Issue with the longer wheelbase?

    Me, 6'3", north of 50, and 210 lbs. I have been riding a kona process 111dl and looking for a bit more travel. Love the bike......but want a bit more travel. Bikes I am considering: Banshee Prime, YT Jeffsy and maybe the Smash. Ride in the eastern sierra (Mammoth, and a bit of Tahoe).

    Read the e-magazine reviews, want the average girl/guy feedback.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoTone View Post
    You guys need an east coast demo tour. While I keep reading great things about your bikes, I 'd have to ride one before buying.

    Based on my Specialized experience I have doubts about horst link bikes.
    Where are you on the east coast? I am outside of Philly and have a trail pistol, shred dog and pedalhead you could try

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    Where are you on the east coast? I am outside of Philly and have a trail pistol, shred dog and pedalhead you could try
    Washington DC area.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fishrising View Post
    Thanks @mtg7aa! My bike shop ordered me a xl Smash a couple of weeks ago and have a call into you guys to talk about shocks before the frame ships. Hopefully you guys connect before it ships. We may need an OEM super deluxe rct coil added to the frame. I wanted to get a DVO Jade coil for it but I from what I'm hearing they don't have the tooling to build one yet.
    Excellent. If there's a TBD on the shock, you'll definitely hear from us before it ships.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtg7aa View Post
    Shock sizing: RockShox has a coil in 230x57.5. We've been talking to DVO about adding their shocks and forks as options in the build kits. I believe somebody just recently ordered a DVO shock with The Smash.
    Push is also going to do an ELEVENSIX for The Smash, I've been working on scheduling a time for Darren to borrow a bike.
    Cane Creek should have either a DB coil or Inline coil in 230x57.5 as well.
    GG + DVO is a match made in heaven, probably 2nd to MRP, given the CO connection. The service and communication I've received with DVO (I live 15 minutes from them) is very much like that of GG. Of course , the performance of their products is well documented. I hope it works out for future GG/DVO riders!

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    Is GG going to be at the CycloFest demo days in Charlotte in October?

    I am guessing not, but it would be fun to demo a smash if y'all are there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AOK View Post
    Is GG going to be at the CycloFest demo days in Charlotte in October?

    I am guessing not, but it would be fun to demo a smash if y'all are there.
    We won't be there, but we have been expanding our reach out to the East. That started with the first demo tour out to the South East (which included NC) in the Spring. There's at least one of those trips planned again for the spring next season.

    Also, keep an eye on this page: Guerrilla Gravity | Megatrail, Pedalhead, The Smash, Trail Pistol Mountain Bike Demos

    It's kept up to date as more demo locations become available.

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    @mtg7aa, is the MRP Raze compatible with the GG Smash and other bikes? If yes why is it not an option on the spec sheets?
    It takes half a joule more to accelerate Brass Nipples over Alloy Nipples on a 29er to 30kph.

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    Quote Originally Posted by softbatch View Post
    @mtg7aa, is the MRP Raze compatible with the GG Smash and other bikes? If yes why is it not an option on the spec sheets?
    They don't make the Raze in a 230mm eye to eye size

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    I came across this thread while looking for info on Deluxe volume spacers, for whatever reason.

    Then I read that the Megatrail, Smash, and Shred Dogg all utilize the same front triangle. As someone who believes the industry needs more multi-use versatile frames, especially as folks are doing more carry-over of parts between 275/275+/29 builds, the fact that GG is accommodating to this is awesome. I kinda wish I would've considered a GG prior to buying my Commencal (which, mind you, doesn't have that kind of versatility).

    I also really dig the attention to weight on the new GG frames. The Smash and Trail Pistol, even in size large could probably be built to weigh 28lbs? Lighter fork (34 or Pike), Carbon cockpit, lighter trail-duty tires.

    Here's my question: could the Smash be ran a 275x2.6 bike?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PHeller View Post
    I came across this thread while looking for info on Deluxe volume spacers, for whatever reason.

    Then I read that the Megatrail, Smash, and Shred Dogg all utilize the same front triangle. As someone who believes the industry needs more multi-use versatile frames, especially as folks are doing more carry-over of parts between 275/275+/29 builds, the fact that GG is accommodating to this is awesome. I kinda wish I would've considered a GG prior to buying my Commencal (which, mind you, doesn't have that kind of versatility).

    I also really dig the attention to weight on the new GG frames. The Smash and Trail Pistol, even in size large could probably be built to weigh 28lbs? Lighter fork (34 or Pike), Carbon cockpit, lighter trail-duty tires.

    Here's my question: could the Smash be ran a 275x2.6 bike?
    Thanks PHeller, and yeah, one of our goals is to not make bikes any more expensive than they need to be. We know they cost a lot, and keeping the frames versatile with different suspension modes and lots of tire clearance, for example, increases the flexibility for the riders.

    Regards to your question about The Smash with 27.5x2.6: it's a two part answer.

    The Smash was optimized for 29", specifically with how Plush Mode and Crush Mode were designed as leverage curve tuning options, and not geometry/kinematics tuning like the Trail Pistol. In that sense, 27.5x2.6" was not designed into the usage.

    However, if you have The Smash, and want to put a 27.5x2.6" wheel/tire set on, it'll definitely fit, and the OD of those tires is around 28.3", so the BB height will still be reasonable (approx. 13.1"). From that sense, it's not a problem.

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