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    Everything Gt Lts

    Please Post Everything You Have Related To The Gt Lts Bike From Old Ads To Articles To Specs , Tips, Stories About Bike. Manuals And Of Course All You Pics . I Am Building A 1996 New Old Stock Lts 1 Frame I Found With All Xtr And Saint Parts
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    Just picked this up yesterday, its a 98 18". My first downhill. I plan on doing lots of trail riding on this thing though. So far its awesome.I ended up paying 480 for it and it came with xt everything(literally), bomber forks, hydraulic disks, sun rims, azonic bars, and some kind of billet shorty neck. Lots of fun on my first ride yesterday.

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    whoa that's wild. crazy how technology has changed
    Former bike mechanic; current idiot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nato_the_greato
    whoa that's wild. crazy how technology has changed
    Is it? I've been out of the game for a while now. Do you think I paid too much for it?

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    as long as the drivetrain isn't totally blown out, it's not a bad price. it's so hard to say without actually seeing the bike.
    Former bike mechanic; current idiot.

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    I went through it and everything seems tight, even the linkages seem fine. Shifts good too. I put it through a slight beating yesterday with zero complaints.

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    Pics of my '97 LTS-2 at Palo Duro Canyon from last week.
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    And a few links for LTS/STS parts:

    http://www.benscycle.net - various suspension parts

    http://www.mountainbikecomponents.co.uk/ -suspension parts and bearing upgrades

    http://www.icyclesusa.com/ - still have a few trunion mount Rock shock coupe deluxe's around if you need a replacement rear shock.

    If I missed any other sources for spares/parts, please feel free to add them.

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    What version of LTS do I have? 1,2,3? Its a 98 model year.

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    Its either a LTS-1000 or LTS-2000. Both of them came with a Rock shox coupe deluxe rear shock. The 1000 was originally spec'ed with an XTR rear derailleur and XT everywhere else. Your bike has an XT on the rear, but that doesn't mean the previous owner broke it or put it on something else... Either way, I'd be pretty stoked to have it.

    http://www.bikepedia.com/QuickBike/B...0+DS&Type=bike

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    Cool. Its definitly a 1000ds then, Thanks for the help!

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    I would say you got yourself a bargain there, outdated (yes), but a bargain none the less. It looks like it is going to BOMB down trails though. Don't get me wrong, I love old GTs (my current XC race rig is built off a 94 Zaskar).

    Looks like a fun rig, especially for under 500 bux.......

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    Does your bike have the disc brake tabs on the rear swing arm or is there some sort of adapter there? Later model LTS models have the disc brake tabs, so you might have one of the more desired frames. On ebay, the last rear swingarm with disc brake tabs off of a 99 LTS sold for almost as much as what a used LTS (non-disc) mountain bike was going for! No kidding..I think it went for over $350....

    Here's more LTS porn for you guys.

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    Wow, that's a lot of LTS's John. I may get a hand me down from a buddy of mine. he couldn't find bushings for it so it is just sitting there unused. One of these days I'll talk him into getting rid of it and giving it to me. LOL! What a scammer huh? Nice pics from Palo Duro too John. I'm from Okc, Ok. and one of these days I'm planning on going there.
    Still loving my GT's!! find me on the "GT Bike Group" page on FB. I hardly ever hang out in here anymore.

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    Fortunately, they put me thru bike rehab and I've been clean for a couple of months now.

    Its sad to her that your buddy has one lying around unused. Parts are getting scarce for them but not yet impossible to find. I probably need to start looking and restocking my parts bin this summer as well! I bet you could wrangle that LTS from him if you kept at it... Just convince him that nobody rides those bikes anymore.

    Not pictured are the two STS bikes that are lurking around the corner. That brings the total of GT LTS/STS bikes up to eight. But out of those, only three of those I would even consider to be currently "trail-worthy". One is still just a roller, and the rest of them have varying degrees of problems that need to be addressed. They range from missing springs, blown damping cartridges, worn out bushings, and missing components. I hope to get them all fixed one day but nevertheless the LTS (especially the 1997 models) holds a special place in my heart and I still enjoy them greatly. I still have old mountain bike magazine reviews of the LTS and STS that if I can dig them up, I'll scan them and post them as well.

    Thanks for the compliments on the photos! Palo Duro Canyon is well worth the trip. I could spend all day there riding the trails. There's another state park at Quitique, TX called Caprock Canyons. It's just as beautiful, but the trails to me aren't quite as enjoyable as the ones at Palo Duro. If you do make a trip, I could arrange for you to have an LTS test ride if you would like one. (I think I have a extra LTS or two hanging around here... lol)

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    Hell I paid 300 for a brand new old stock 1996 frame. These are a piece of art nothing better looking than these frames all polished up. When I finish building mine it will be a head turner at the trail even more so than all the new bikes. Built by craftsmen not overseas

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    my fave.............................

    you can tell that is a really good bike,when the name is written on the end of the top tube.

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    Gt Lts

    Here is my 1998 GT LTS 4000.

    One shot with some long travel Indy's as per specifications for the cross country version of that year.

    An a second shot with some decent forks - Rockshox Psylo.

    In storage at the present time.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by johntheroadie
    Does your bike have the disc brake tabs on the rear swing arm or is there some sort of adapter there? Later model LTS models have the disc brake tabs, so you might have one of the more desired frames. On ebay, the last rear swingarm with disc brake tabs off of a 99 LTS sold for almost as much as what a used LTS (non-disc) mountain bike was going for! No kidding..I think it went for over $350....

    Here's more LTS porn for you guys.

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    1996 LTS-2
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    1997 LTS-2
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    1997 LTS-3
    Yes it does have a bracket or "tab" as you call it. I can take a close up shot tonight if you like. The wife offered to polish this thing up with some billet polish and wow is it blingy!



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    8716valver: nice bike! It really makes a difference when you polish them up. One thing about a nice ball burnished gt is that it may get dull from oxidation over time, but they WILL polish back to a mirror shine.

    I also found something interesting on youtube. It might come in handy for those who have yet experienced the joy of taking an LTS completely apart. At least now I know where those rubber o-rings were supposed to go... (and it isn't where they are now, either. )

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWW_D...eature=related

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtwuG...eature=related

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    My GT LTS 2000




    I'm looking for a Super Deluxe Shox. Let me know if you have a spare one or where to get them. Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by johntheroadie
    8716valver: nice bike! It really makes a difference when you polish them up. One thing about a nice ball burnished gt is that it may get dull from oxidation over time, but they WILL polish back to a mirror shine.

    I also found something interesting on youtube. It might come in handy for those who have yet experienced the joy of taking an LTS completely apart. At least now I know where those rubber o-rings were supposed to go... (and it isn't where they are now, either. )

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWW_D...eature=related

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtwuG...eature=related

    Thank for the info thats definitly helpful

    Dennis25 thats a sick setup you've got there!

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    Lts Manual

    does anyone have a owners manual they can post.

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    drool!
    i have always wanted an lts/sts i didn't know some of them came with disc mounts.
    now i definatly will start looking for one!
    does anyone know how much the frames of the sts weighed?

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    i've just sold my lts dh...after reading this, i wish i kept it!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by trailking
    does anyone have a owners manual they can post.
    I've been looking as well

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    My newest acquisition

    Well here it is....my newest used GT. I know it's an LTS but don't know what year. IT needs alot of tlc starting with some new bushings and maybe either a shiny buff job or a powdercoat. I'm leaning more towards buff shiny bare aluminum on this one. GM123.. I need your expertise on this serial number. It only has a small dent and a slight edge bent on the seat tube. I'll post pics as it progresses.
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    gt jorgito... it looks like a 1997 to me. My 1996 LTS has a gusset welded at the junction of the bottom of the seat tube and down tube. Also, the down tube is not ovalized toward the bottom bracket. Kinda hard to explain, but I can post a pic of it. 1998 or newer would have a curved seat tube. The S/N should shed more light onto it.

    Nice find! Good luck on the build!

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    I'd say it's a 96 LTS-2. In 97 they went with the trunion mount. The upper link looks to be aluminum (not Ti) and the shock looks like a deluxe (not super deluxe) making an LTS-2.

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    Sweet info guys. Thanks a million. I think I'm gonna polish this one up, and use some leftover parts to put it together.
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    I have one lying around, never been mounted. My STS is for sale on ebay so I will have no need for it. Make me an offer.

    Quote Originally Posted by dennis25
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    I'm looking for a Super Deluxe Shox. Let me know if you have a spare one or where to get them. Thanks

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    Here is my LTS-3

    This is embarrassing to say the least, and I can take the smart comments if necessary..........

    I am the original owner of this LTS-3 and when I say original I can sadly say original tires, grips, brakes and pedals. I have the manuals as well.....possibly the receipt somewhere.

    The only things I have upgraded are the seat and the seat clamp to a quick release. It just didn't get ridden much, mostly due to a Ducati problem I had.

    I was going to sell it recently until I discovered this thread in a google search of GT LTS's.

    I love this bike as much as the day I bought it. I think it is a 96 or 97, not quite sure, maybe someone could tell me.

    I also own a Iron Horse Warrior that a friend sold me for $400, it's a decent bike but not like the GT.
    Yesterday I demo-ed a Trek Fuel EX8 and that's a nice bike, super light as well but at $1899 I think my GT and Iron Horse are just fine.

    Anyway, glad to find this forum and looking forward to contributing, would love to hear about some upgrades you all have done to your LTS's

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    Hey LTS guys and gals,

    I'm in the process of getting together a bushing kit for the LTS's and I was wondering if anyone would be interested in this. The kits you can buy now are kind of expensive and include not only the bushings but the whole enchilada of bolts and other parts which I don't need. I only need the PTFE bushings and I'm assuming that is what most of us need to replace. I'm talking to a bushing maker that may be able to get those bushings for a fraction of the price. I'm gonna get some samples and see how they work. I want to know if anyone is interested in this because the more you order the cheaper they are. Let me know guys.
    Still loving my GT's!! find me on the "GT Bike Group" page on FB. I hardly ever hang out in here anymore.

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    Count me in. Not sure about how many, but I'd be interested. The BETD bearing kit is da bomb, but it gets expensive quick!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ducseven
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    I love this bike as much as the day I bought it. I think it is a 96 or 97, not quite sure, maybe someone could tell me.
    Rob - no need to be embarrassed. No sarcasm and abuse in this forum.
    From the decals, I'd say your bike is a 97 or newer, definitely not a 96.

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    My old LTS-1, I had to dust her off for the photo shoot. Someday I will wash, grease, and polish her down. Maybe



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    Quote Originally Posted by GT_guy
    I'd say it's a 96 LTS-2. In 97 they went with the trunion mount. The upper link looks to be aluminum (not Ti) and the shock looks like a deluxe (not super deluxe) making an LTS-2.



    I agree. I to have a 96 LTS 1. I purchased the LTS1 because I had waited for the LTS2 for over a month in late 95. The shop owner gave me the LTS1 for the price of The LTS2. $2100 out the door. The Lts 2 had aluminum upper links. 97 went to trunions.

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    I have all of the literature that came with my 96 LTS1 new in late 95. The owners manual that I recieved is fairly generic and only mentions the RTS. I also have all of the XT owner's manuals, the RockShox Judy xc manual and the Rock shox Deluxe tuning manual. I am not letting go of them but I can scan you specifics.
    The rear shock manual is just for rider set up. I am looking for oil quantity and pressure specs as I have new seals to rebiuld the shock. I have been unsuccessfull in finding this info.
    Let me know what you want.

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    In 97 they went with the trunion mount.
    Yes, in 1997, they introduced the trunion mounted shock, but In 1997, GT sold BOTH trunion mount and eye to eye mounts. The STS models and the LTS-1 were the only models that year that had them. The lower-end models, the LTS-2 and LTS-3 still kept the old style mounts. LTS-4 and LTS-5 had elastomer suspension. The following year in 1998, they went trunion mounted shocks 100%.

    I scanned the pages out of my catalog from 1997. I also have the 98-99 catalog as well if anyone else is interested, I'll post them as well.
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    I have a '97 LTS-4 frame that had been scavenged for parts when my friend had to put some new bolts in his LTS-2. Its been hanging on the wall for 8 years, but man, would I love to rebuild it and take it for a spin. I can replace the scavenged parts with the BETD kit, the problem is, I need a new elastomer and, if i remember correctly, a big screw that goes through the middle of the elastomer. Now, where on earth would one get something like that?

    Yeah, I didn't think so....But thanks anyway.

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    check out these guys.

    http://www.benscycle.net/index.php?m...ndex&cPath=224

    If you read the reviews on the green elastomer, one guy mentions that it comes with some nuts and washers. I've haven't looked at those LTS models closely to even know how they go together, but maybe whatever you need can be bought off the shelf. Pics would help if you have them. Good luck!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GT_guy
    Rob - no need to be embarrassed. No sarcasm and abuse in this forum.
    From the decals, I'd say your bike is a 97 or newer, definitely not a 96.
    Yep it's a '97 alright.

    The colours called Frost Grey.

    It actually mentions it in the the catalogue above as a colour option.

    That is an unreal LTS Ducseven!!! Awesome condition and original tyres!!!! Do they still have those little rubber spikey bits on em?????

    Deffinately a keeper that's for sure! Welcome to the forums!
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    Quote Originally Posted by gt jorgito
    Hey LTS guys and gals,

    I'm in the process of getting together a bushing kit for the LTS's and I was wondering if anyone would be interested in this. The kits you can buy now are kind of expensive and include not only the bushings but the whole enchilada of bolts and other parts which I don't need. I only need the PTFE bushings and I'm assuming that is what most of us need to replace. I'm talking to a bushing maker that may be able to get those bushings for a fraction of the price. I'm gonna get some samples and see how they work. I want to know if anyone is interested in this because the more you order the cheaper they are. Let me know guys.
    Interested

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    Bushing update

    I've got some bushings measured out and matched to the closest that they have to offer. I'm gonna e-mail the rep and see what can be done. If all goes well, we may be able to get all the bushings for around $20.00 bucks give or take a few dollars. I'll keep you posted.
    Still loving my GT's!! find me on the "GT Bike Group" page on FB. I hardly ever hang out in here anymore.

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    HI All.
    Awesome site for an Awesome bike. I purchased my Team LTS when they first came out. I picked the bike up in early January of 95, it may have been made in 94. I have put over 2000 miles on her, a lot for some, not for others. Unfortunately, last season I broke the chain stay portion of the frame and have been struggling to find the part necessary to get her back up and running. If anyone comes by a new piece please let me know, do not want to have to put her down. They do not make them like like they use to.

    Don

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    Hey guys,

    I have recently been trying to find a mountain bike to get started in the sport. A guy at work wants to sell me a GT LTS-3. It is black. It has different decals than DUCSEVEN's. My guess is that it is a 96? What would this be worth. I think this guy bought this bike and it just hung in his garage. The tires still have the little prickly things on them still. Anyways, it seems to be in great shape. What would you say it is worth?

    -McBain

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    Don; Sorry about the broken chainstay. your best bet would be to check ebay frequently and hope that some lists an old chainstay around. It might take a while, but I know I saw a bunch of parts posted many months ago...including the chainstay that you need.

    McBain; pics please! It would help id and evaluate the condition of the bike. The trunion mounted frames go for a bit more than other one. In my opinion, a fair price to shoot for is $300-$400. Is the bike all original and doesn't have a mark anywhere on it? Go for the high end. Does it look like it fell out of a tree and hit every branch on the way down? Go for less than $300...or better yet, stay away from it.

    This is just my 2 cents worth...not that it means much.

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    Thanks for the reply, the chain stays that were on ebay a few months ago were for the the trunion rear end which is slightly narrower then the 94-96. I was out bid on one I found in england, I was in a meeting when the sale ended and could not counter in time. Bummer. Anyway, I will keep looking, if anyone hears about one let me know.

    Don

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    1998 Manual Photos

    Some of you might find this helpful....

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    Part two...

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    Part 3....

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    Nice post Diesel.
    Still loving my GT's!! find me on the "GT Bike Group" page on FB. I hardly ever hang out in here anymore.

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    Nice post Diesel.
    Yup. Thanks Diesel...
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    And finally, 1999, the last year for the great LTS. While GT celebrated the arrival of it's new i-drive suspension, the LTS evolution ended with only two aluminum models that year. The STS name was put on the new themoplastic i-drives, so no thermoplastic LTS models that final year.
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    Maybe someone can help me out a bit.

    Didn't GT build a lightweight LTS in either 98 or 99? I remember because I had an issue of Mountain bike magazine in which they reviewed a full XTR speced LTS with Mavic crossmax wheels, Rock Shox SID, and Fox Alps rear shock. It was an aluminum modeled LTS that was a straight seat tube model and supposedly made out of an even lighter aluminum than the usual 6061 that they typically used (I remember because I think the reviewers said that they dented the top tubes when the brake levers accidentally hit them). It must have come out mid-season after all the catalogs went out, but from my sketchy memories, they called it something like "XCR-1000" or something like that... I can't find that old magazine because I probably threw it away, but the photos of the bike that I remember was that it had a blue rock shox SID on it and a bright green paint job. And it was a straight seat tubed bike, unlike the curved seat tubes that they started putting on the LTS models.

    I've never seen one in my life, nor have I ever heard about it since. If anyone knows anything about it, I'd really appreciate it. I was just wondering, did it ever made it into production, or was just a one-off prototype? I'd love to have that bike in my collection!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by johntheroadie
    Maybe someone can help me out a bit.

    Didn't GT build a lightweight LTS in either 98 or 99? I remember because I had an issue of Mountain bike magazine in which they reviewed a full XTR speced LTS with Mavic crossmax wheels, Rock Shox SID, and Fox Alps rear shock. It was an aluminum modeled LTS that was a straight seat tube model and supposedly made out of an even lighter aluminum than the usual 6061 that they typically used (I remember because I think the reviewers said that they dented the top tubes when the brake levers accidentally hit them). It must have come out mid-season after all the catalogs went out, but from my sketchy memories, they called it something like "XCR-1000" or something like that... I can't find that old magazine because I probably threw it away, but the photos of the bike that I remember was that it had a blue rock shox SID on it and a bright green paint job. And it was a straight seat tubed bike, unlike the curved seat tubes that they started putting on the LTS models.

    I've never seen one in my life, nor have I ever heard about it since. If anyone knows anything about it, I'd really appreciate it. I was just wondering, did it ever made it into production, or was just a one-off prototype? I'd love to have that bike in my collection!!
    ill check my old copies of mountain bike mag and mountain biker. i definately don't remember that bike in mountain bike action.

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    anybody know if the aluminum upper link weighs more or less than the ti. version on a 96' lts? also, where i could get ti. bolts for the upper and lower bushings?

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    Thanks loggerhead. I remember it being in Mountain Bike (back when Zap was the editor) and not in either Bike or Mountain Bike Action since it was the only one that I had a subscription to. It was a full review too, not just some blurb in the news or upcoming section. I think it's odd that I've never seen one for sale or heard anything mentioned about it, so it makes me believe that it never made it into production.

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    couldn't find the gt lts xcr anywhere. .

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    I guess it must've been my imagination or something... Thanks for checking that out for me!

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    94' Lts

    Here is one of the early ones, still kicking. Notice the different style "Dual Face" dropout, with the milled sides. Also note the rear chainstay posts are pre-V-Brakes, standing perpendicular to the tubing. The later slant-back posts, to accomidate the V-brakes, always looked funny to me. I think only the first 250 were made like this one. Yep, those are the original Cantis out back. Got a new Fox in back, with RS Recons in front. I have Travel Agent pully system on the front V-brakes, so I could use my original LX Group. Still rides like a champion.

    I know this is an LTS thread, but my wife's bike was just begging to be shown with her younger brother. This 14" RTS started as a thin-wall race special, but got sidetracked when the LTS came along for the team. Custom teal anodized front, set off by purple anodized parts and an unusual decal set. Remember the craze with all those purple parts in the late 80s/early 90s? Unusual color combo, but with the Ball Purnished rear, I think it works. Only problem is a blown Noleen.This is where my LTS's Mag21 forks went, after a faux ano-paint job. My brother really loves this one because he says it feels like a grown up BMX bike.
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    Hello everyone. I'm new to the forum and LTS, but this will be my second GT. I've been out of riding for several years due to joining the military and my old steed being in storage with family members. I just won an auction yesterday for a 96 LTS-1 frame and Judy XC fork. I'm (im)patiently awaiting it's arrival so I can strip all the parts off my old Cannondale and swap them over. I remember drooling over these bikes back when I was big into riding in my teens and they were new and the best thing going.
    I have a couple of questions while I wait....First off, for those with the polished frames, what do you use to polish them? The one I bought looks pretty well worn and I want to bring her back to her glory. Second, what size is the seat post on these? If I recall correctly, my old beer can bike used a 27.2mm post and the link to bikepedia.com as posted by johntheroadie at the top of this page lists the post for the 96 LTS at 27.0mm. I don't remember there being 27.0mm size seat posts back then, but I very well may be wrong. I guess if it is different size, it's time to start upgrading already! I can hear my wallet shaking in fear already. LOL.
    When I get everything all built up, my bike should be set up as follows(from the current parts I will be swapping over): Judy SL with White Bros. coils and upgraded longer travel cartridge (replaced by RS at the NORBA Nationals race in northern Michigan back in 96 when they selected the final US Olympic team members ), XT deraillers, XT (I think, or XTR) shifer pods, REAL red annodized brake levers, XT 8spd cassette, "vintage" 5 bolt XTR crank, XTR (pre-parallex) hubs with Mavic rims, XTR V-brakes, Titec TI handlebar, bear trap pedals (for now), and hopefully GORE cables all around. I'm not sure if I'll use my current Tioga stem or the one that comes with the frame set I bought. If it's a Kore and fits my needs, I'll probably go with that. I'll also probably put on a new saddle as my old ti-railed one from Performance looks pretty well worn. I was a bit of a weight-weenie back in the day. LOL.
    Anyways, enough of my babbling on. I will try to snag the pics of the frame from eBay and post them here in just a few. I'm SO excited to get this bike built up and go hammer it. I'm also considering a full round of bearing upgrades from BETD.....there goes my wallet again! And finally, I plan to do a fluorescent dye-penetrant inspection on all the welds for any cracks when I get it, as I'm a NDI technician by trade.

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    Well I can't get the pics right now, but I'll snap some as soon as I get the frame. BTW, I paid under $200 shipped for her I'm stoked!

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    I use Mother's mag and aluminum polish. You can get it any autozone in the car care section.
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    Quote Originally Posted by johntheroadie
    Does your bike have the disc brake tabs on the rear swing arm or is there some sort of adapter there? Later model LTS models have the disc brake tabs, so you might have one of the more desired frames. On ebay, the last rear swingarm with disc brake tabs off of a 99 LTS sold for almost as much as what a used LTS (non-disc) mountain bike was going for! No kidding..I think it went for over $350....

    Here's more LTS porn for you guys.

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    And just so you all know it.... John just couldn't get enough of my Zaskar porn so he did the same in LTS's Just kidding bro.
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    Quote Originally Posted by johntheroadie
    8716valver: nice bike! It really makes a difference when you polish them up. One thing about a nice ball burnished gt is that it may get dull from oxidation over time, but they WILL polish back to a mirror shine.

    I also found something interesting on youtube. It might come in handy for those who have yet experienced the joy of taking an LTS completely apart. At least now I know where those rubber o-rings were supposed to go... (and it isn't where they are now, either. )

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWW_D...eature=related

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    Just a couple of quick questions about the videos.....First off, the LTS-1 in the first video appears to be a 97 at least due to the trunion mounts. I just bought a 96 LTS-1, is the ride height adjustable on the pre-97's? Also, will the Super Deluxe shock fit on my 96? How many people have changed out their rear shocks to something different, and what are you using/what are your opinions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by miataeric1
    Just a couple of quick questions about the videos.....First off, the LTS-1 in the first video appears to be a 97 at least due to the trunion mounts. I just bought a 96 LTS-1, is the ride height adjustable on the pre-97's? Also, will the Super Deluxe shock fit on my 96? How many people have changed out their rear shocks to something different, and what are you using/what are your opinions?
    No ride height adjustment on a 96.

    The Team LTS and LTS-1 came with the Super Deluxe, lower models came with the Deluxe. The only difference is a rebound adjustment knob, that doesn't really do much from my experience.

    You'll get better performance by making sure you have the right coil for your weight. Stock coil was 700 lbs, which is good if you weigh less than about 170-175. A 750# spring is good for a rider up to ~200lbs.

    The seatpost size is 27.0.

    Kore stems were OE on the 96. My 16" came with a 120mm x 6 deg.

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    LTS 95, not 94

    Oops, my mistake. Although I got the LTS in 94, but it was techically a 1995. I think on the books, all that was available that first year was the full-on XTR-spec'ed "Team LTS". This one might be considered a pre-production prototype. The 95's had Fox Alps-4 air shocks, which were changed to Rock Shox coil-overs the following years. Fortunately, Fox can still make their new shocks fit the old ti-links.

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    Question......why is it that every one feels their GT is a "PRE-PRODUCTION" prototype?

    If it were it never would have been allowed into the market for someone to ride. The only reason I can think of people saying this is to try and create demand for something they are about to sell...hoping it will drive up the price. If it's got a serial number, it's a production run bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by johntheroadie
    Thanks loggerhead. I remember it being in Mountain Bike (back when Zap was the editor) and not in either Bike or Mountain Bike Action since it was the only one that I had a subscription to. It was a full review too, not just some blurb in the news or upcoming section. I think it's odd that I've never seen one for sale or heard anything mentioned about it, so it makes me believe that it never made it into production.
    There is a review on it in the october 1998 issue of mountain bike. It was called the XR1000, had the same build as the 98 zaskar LE except it had answer protaper riser bars. MB mag had the weight at 24.8 pounds from memory. Mainframe was made from the same easton tubeset as the Zaskar LE and looked the same as a 97 LTS-1 front end. Also had the fox air shock with the trunnion mount. Was introduced towards the end of 98 and was a limited production model. Available in frosy green anodized with BB rear end, with IS dis brake mount. I think that just about cvers it

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    sounds great with the new ride. i have 3 lts' and they all take 27.2 posts. they all have the same ti. upper llinkage in the rear so they are the first gen. model. not sure of the post when they changed the rear to allow the rider to adjust the rear travel.

    p.s. don't get frustrated, i posted pics once on this site and find it nearly impossible to post anymore.

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    Pre-production for a fact.

    I understand your point. Everyone want's to think their bike is special. But, I would NEVER part with either of these bikes, for any price. Contractually, I shouldn't, because neither one has a serial number. You see, I'm not a typical consumer. I tacked welded my frame together myself in the LTS jig that I made, but I let the professional welders do the rest. You'll note that the RTS's chainstay is not bent the same as any other, because this was the FIRST prototype aluminum rear end. I left GT right after the first LTS production run started, so improvements to later LTS's was not by me (and I'm not Jim). I would love to be able to discuss and show all sorts of cool prototype designs, and get into techical suspension discussions, but I can't. But I can't hold back my enthusiasum for my "baby", and I love the fact that the bike still has such a following.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackal5
    There is a review on it in the october 1998 issue of mountain bike. It was called the XR1000, had the same build as the 98 zaskar LE except it had answer protaper riser bars. MB mag had the weight at 24.8 pounds from memory. Mainframe was made from the same easton tubeset as the Zaskar LE and looked the same as a 97 LTS-1 front end. Also had the fox air shock with the trunnion mount. Was introduced towards the end of 98 and was a limited production model. Available in frosy green anodized with BB rear end, with IS dis brake mount. I think that just about cvers it

    Awesome. Thanks, I found some user reviews on it on mtbr today. Thanks a million jackal5. Now I just need to find one so I can buy it....


    Anywayz, I understand SabooZZ's and GM's point. The problem that I see is that there are some regular production bikes that has been modified or had parts changed and to the unknowning buyers or owners, they're just different enough that they don't seem like the common run-of-the-mill production bike, so they get labeled as pre-production or something like that. Only a few insiders or the select group who where in the know, actually can verify the vailidity of these claims. Just because it doesn't match what it was in the catalog, or has a different _____________(insert you favorite bike part here....ex: rear triangle, rear shock, seatpost mount..) doesn't make it a one-off design. I'm not saying that SabooZZ's ride isn't, because both of his bikes are wicked (and I really wish I could find a Fox like that for one of my bikes). And also, I'm not smart enough to spot a pre-production bike anyway....

    I think its part ignorance and partly advertising. You can see it all the time on ebay...all those auctions for "RARE" and "Vintage" in the descriptions are only there to get you to look. To the unknowing buyer, you could slap a cool paintjob on an old LTS, say it was a GT TEAM frame, used only once by Ruthie Matthis, blah, blah, blah... If they can drag a few more bucks from a gullible buyer, then it was worth it. And all they sold was just a regular LTS frame...proudly made in Taiwan. And then when that buyer shows it here and repeats the claim to us, someone's BS meter goes into the red. It's very easy to get carried away with enthusiam with your bike. I love my bikes, but the actual value of them are very low...because they are just your regular run-of-the-mill production bikes. But the value of the memories that they hold are priceless. Keep posting those LTS's. I never get tired of looking at them.

    BTW, GM, I do have Zaskar envy, but I try to not to show it.

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    Why all the wory about period correctness?

    What I don't understand is, throughout these forums (not just GT), there is all this interest in period correctness. And figuring out the code to the serial numbers (which GM knows like the back of his hand), to get period correct bikes, is a big part of that. I understand that some rare and valuable bikes should be stashed away, with the decals protected, Armor-all on the tires, etc... And there is a collector market (I know a lot of GT's I would like to have been able to get my hands on and frame on a wall). But it seems this is predominately a "HotRod" community, with everyone personalizing their ride.

    I've never seen any true 95' LTSs on the internet. I thought it would be interesting for all those aficionados here to see what was so different about the first year, which there were less than 250 made.The unique dropouts, non-V-brake studs, and a Fox shock (I wish I has the original gold one, but like I said, Fox can still hook you up with their latest, for the right price). And I thougt it useful to point out non-period correct details.

    I see I can get NOS decals to replace mine, but I kinda like the young guys at the LBS scratching there head at what the hell it is, while trying to sell me one of those new-age multi-link designs. Steath. But they a throw a leg over it, and see the new frame technology hasn't really come that for, with lots of hype. But these new components? SWEET! There was no way I was going to keep that old Mag-21 when I tried out those Recons.

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    Well, you basically said what drives "period-correctness" for me. Just as you said, the bicycling community is full of riders who customize their bikes, including this poster as well. Whether is for fashion, personal preferences, repair, or for performance, invariably some parts get swapped out for others. With this in mind, there eventually becomes a point where an all original bike becomes a rarity, and definately in the minority. Yeah those old OEM components may be worth more for a collector, but to me its about seeing a bike as the manufacturer made in back in the day. You get to see that bike again and in the same condition as it would've sat in the showroom 15 years ago. Besides, that WAS the bike that you drooled over, read countless reviews on, and was dying to buy. Mid life crisis maybe? lol But anyway, that's what drives me. Thanks for posting pics of your bike SabooZZ. It's nice to see what has changed on the LTS and what hasn't.

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    SabooZZ, I'm pretty sure the LTS front triangle I have is indeed a 95. It looks Identical to yours. I also have a seat stay from the same frame (bought it a couple years back as a complete frame minus the chainstay, the frame has never been built up). I will check it when I get home to see if the brake bosses are angled or perpendicular. I can tell you the blades on the seat stay are solid and plain looking, not bent like the 96 and newer LTSs. There are two stickers on the bottom bracket near the SN. The first reads 'Built by: Antonio' and the second reads 'Inspected by: Troy'. This leads me to believe this frame was hand built by the artisans @ GT in California. Is this correct?

    Tom

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    Well put

    You got a good way with words. I see your point. I personnally like to see old unmolested classic cars, rather than some customs, but resto-mods I like., Unfortunately, my bikes were destined to be bastards from the beginning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SabooZZ
    Unfortunately, my bikes were destined to be bastards from the beginning.
    Well...none of my bikes are museum quality either. The good thing about those bastard bikes is that they're on the trail and not in a dark corner somewhere collecting dust.

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    there is somebody selling a lts frame on ebay where the frame was hand drilled on the seatstays for disc setup. has anybody tried this before and if they have, do you need to get the disc adaptor from betd?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackal5
    There is a review on it in the october 1998 issue of mountain bike. It was called the XR1000, had the same build as the 98 zaskar LE except it had answer protaper riser bars. MB mag had the weight at 24.8 pounds from memory. Mainframe was made from the same easton tubeset as the Zaskar LE and looked the same as a 97 LTS-1 front end. Also had the fox air shock with the trunnion mount. Was introduced towards the end of 98 and was a limited production model. Available in frosy green anodized with BB rear end, with IS dis brake mount. I think that just about cvers it
    I actually bought one of the XR 1000's new back in the summer of '98. My local shop got 2 of these. The green anodized color actually ended up getting canned for the ball burnished finish as it turned out. GT spec'd a custom BLACK RockShox SID; whereas, the regular color that year was SID Blue. This bike was super light for it's time and had every ultra light part that could be found. I'm trying to dig up a photo of it, I'll post it when I find it.

    Found one. Poor quality though, sorry, looking for others.
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    Hey GM123 - Help clear something up.

    I know you got your finger on the production facts. I just did then engineering, and didn't keep up with product variations. I'd originally considered my ride a 94', but convinced myself with old catalogs that indeed the LTS hit the trails in 95'. I think our original run was for only 250 bikes, so that the RTS could continue its strong run. I know some of this for sure because I placed the order from the machine shops for the CNC parts, like those early dual-level dropout plates. I seem to recall all the 95' bikes were high end TEAM LTS, with XTR. I then left the company after production got going, so things get fuzzy. It was also at this time that Shimano introduced their V-brakes, screwing up the whole seatstay design.

    I know demand was high, and I wonder if production was ramped up beyond 250, this time using the flat "curved" dropout? (FYI, part of the reason for the curve was to clear the derailer in high cross-over gears..also to save cost). Jim then improved the design at the dropout plate by zig-zagging the effective chainstay into a more straightened structural member, reducing flex. But I thought the bent design was implemented on the 96' model? Now I see "Florida_LTS" says he has flat yet straight dropouts. Know anything about that?

    And I thought Rock Shox got the nod over the Fox from 96' on. But I think I saw a Fox equipped rear end with a flat dropout plate. Are my facts wrong?

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    hi all

    do you all think the lts 4OOO is worth buying? the condition is about 6.5/10. is 140 usd too much to pay for it? this is a cro mo lower end version like seen in post 56

    thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by stonez
    do you all think the lts 4OOO is worth buying?

    In my opinion, if it's only in fair condition, nope. I wouldn't bother messing with it, primarily because of the condition you described it. There are other LTS's out there that are better for just a bit more money.

    trauma-md: thanks for posting that picture of your XR. It saddens me to find out that GT didn't go with the anodized green. I thought that made that bike stand out, but still what a sweet ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johntheroadie
    In my opinion, if it's only in fair condition, nope. I wouldn't bother messing with it, primarily because of the condition you described it. There are other LTS's out there that are better for just a bit more money.
    thank you for your advice。 i will pass then

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    Disc mount

    I emailed BETD and they said they have done several of there brackets on the GT, I ordered the A2Z DM UNI to try on my LTS 2000, don't want to drill my drop outs, I ordered it from EBAY along with Avid BB7's and KORE wheels



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    Good job!

    Quote Originally Posted by Dnebe
    I emailed BETD and they said they have done several of there brackets on the GT, I ordered the A2Z DM UNI to try on my LTS 2000, don't want to drill my drop outs, I ordered it from EBAY along with Avid BB7's and KORE wheels



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    sounds good. being that the rear triangle is sooo overbuilt anyway, especially in the dropouts, i might try to drill it myself to see if it works. i have already drilled a 3/4 inch hole on the non-drive dropout and it has lasted about 10 years now of riding technical singletrack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johntheroadie
    Maybe someone can help me out a bit.

    Didn't GT build a lightweight LTS in either 98 or 99? I remember because I had an issue of Mountain bike magazine in which they reviewed a full XTR speced LTS with Mavic crossmax wheels, Rock Shox SID, and Fox Alps rear shock. It was an aluminum modeled LTS that was a straight seat tube model and supposedly made out of an even lighter aluminum than the usual 6061 that they typically used (I remember because I think the reviewers said that they dented the top tubes when the brake levers accidentally hit them). It must have come out mid-season after all the catalogs went out, but from my sketchy memories, they called it something like "XCR-1000" or something like that... I can't find that old magazine because I probably threw it away, but the photos of the bike that I remember was that it had a blue rock shox SID on it and a bright green paint job. And it was a straight seat tubed bike, unlike the curved seat tubes that they started putting on the LTS models.

    I've never seen one in my life, nor have I ever heard about it since. If anyone knows anything about it, I'd really appreciate it. I was just wondering, did it ever made it into production, or was just a one-off prototype? I'd love to have that bike in my collection!!
    Yes, you're right. It was a full XC - spec LTS with full XTR, Cross Max wheels, a SID fork and specially made, trunion mounted Fox FLOAT rear shock.

    The bike came in a 24 lbs, complete.

    They went even further with the maching, removing more material from the under side of the upper linkage, and they used full easton tubing. It was a sick bike!
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    I was hoping that y'all could help me out. I am trying to get the year of my newly aquired LTS. I think it's a 97 DH version. I have the Rock Shok Judy DHO and super deluxe on the rear. I am sending those to Hippie Tech for a full rebuild. It does not have the cable stays on the bottom of the crank but they are routed behind the seat tube.

    Serial # 001964142 LTS 18
    and for some reason the file will not upload.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uh1medic
    I was hoping that y'all could help me out. I am trying to get the year of my newly aquired LTS. I think it's a 97 DH version. I have the Rock Shok Judy DHO and super deluxe on the rear. I am sending those to Hippie Tech for a full rebuild. It does not have the cable stays on the bottom of the crank but they are routed behind the seat tube.

    Serial # 001964142 LTS 18
    and for some reason the file will not upload.

    Yours sounds very similar to mine that I just got yesterday, but from what I understand from the serial numbers (which mine is only about 90 lower that yours, 001964054LTS18) is that our frames were made in Jan. of 96. I could very well be wrong, but I think that's what I've read in this thread. Mine is a LTS-1 with the stock Judy XC up front, for now anyways, and the super deluxe out back. Does it have the trunion mounts on the top rear, or is the top of the shock mounted to one fixed location? Never heard of Hippie Tech before, but will have to look them up as I'm sure my shock will need some TLC judging by the amount of abuse and grime apparent all over the frame. I'm considering just switching to the Risse.

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    As the proud new owner of a VERY well worn '96 LTS-1 frame, and a complete NOOB to full suspension (these were all the hype when I got out of regular biking back in the late 90's), could someone please tell me which bushings I need to look into replacing. Any pics would help as well, as I've seen lots listed on eBay. I can see the top tube/seat tube main mount of the horst has bushings, as well as down by the front derailler (??), and I've seen listings for the bushings at the rear of the chainstays. I took the two bolts out there and can see what looks like black bushings pressed into the insert part (please excuse my lack of technical jargin....it's been too many years). What are all the correct terms for these locations, and are there any other bushings that I should look into replacing for a fresh start? What am I missing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by miataeric1
    As the proud new owner of a VERY well worn '96 LTS-1 frame, and a complete NOOB to full suspension (these were all the hype when I got out of regular biking back in the late 90's), could someone please tell me which bushings I need to look into replacing. Any pics would help as well, as I've seen lots listed on eBay. I can see the top tube/seat tube main mount of the horst has bushings, as well as down by the front derailler (??), and I've seen listings for the bushings at the rear of the chainstays. I took the two bolts out there and can see what looks like black bushings pressed into the insert part (please excuse my lack of technical jargin....it's been too many years). What are all the correct terms for these locations, and are there any other bushings that I should look into replacing for a fresh start? What am I missing?
    If you're not experiencing any slop in the pivots, you could get a away with just rebuilding the pivots as is. Just take the bike apart, clean and grease everything.

    If you can find them, the blue colored bushings are a slight upgrade over the white ones - less prone to squeeks and creaks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iheartbicycles
    If you're not experiencing any slop in the pivots, you could get a away with just rebuilding the pivots as is. Just take the bike apart, clean and grease everything.

    If you can find them, the blue colored bushings are a slight upgrade over the white ones - less prone to squeeks and creaks.

    Well so far I just have the frame sitting in my living room while I work on bringing the finish back to a "nice" polish (if you ignore the multiple scratches abound) while I wait to get the money to take it to the shop to get all the parts swapped from my old bike and everything tuned up.

    Is there a way to tell while it sits here on the floor if I've got any excessive play in the pivots? Should I just pick it up and wiggle the whole thing around feeling for any slop? What should I look for for grease for everything?

    So far I've taken the shock off to clean it and all the hardware, cleaned up around the lower frame pivot and bottom bracket, and taken out the bolts at the rear of the chain stay on both sides and cleaned the old nasty grime off them. How hard is it to remove the entire rear triangle after I undo the allen bolt/nut on each? I really don't have any tools aside from an set of metric allen wrenches, a few metric sockets, and vice grips and screwdrivers.

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    I replaced the bushings in one my newly-aquired LTS when the rear derailleur would try to ghost-shift while climbing a very steep climb in low gear. No amount of adjusting would correct the problem and all my cables were not binding or anything. It was odd because I didn't have any problems on the flat sections, downhill sections or shallow climbs...only on the steep, steep climbs. And it didn't matter in which gear combo, either.

    So, from my perspective, it seemed to me that with the whole rear triangle assembled it, the bike was fairly stiff and it really didn't seem like there was a problem, but I thought I would isolate each pivot and check them individually. I removed the bolts in the horst link and checked the amount of play with the chainstay still mounted. I found that the lower main pivots (referred to in the manual as bottom bracket chainstay pivots) had a bunch of play in it. I did the same with the upper with the shock removed, and even though upper pivot was better, it was still not good. I ordered and entire upper, lower, and horst bearing kit from BETD. It was expensive but the problem went away. I didn't use the horst link bearing kit, but the upper and lower pivots have been awesome. It's quieter, smoother, and worry-free (as long as you use a little blue locktite). I'm just guessing that with all that slop in the pivots, the action of pedaling pulled or twisted the chainstay just enough to cause the rear derailleur to become misaligned a little bit? Anybody else had that problem? Anyway, that's why I had to replace the bushings in my LTS.

    Since your bike isn't fully assembed yet for a test ride, what I would do is leave the shock off and undo your linkage either at the horst link (if you have a chainring tool that fits the nut on the inside of the triangle) or undo your rear linkage where the seatstay meets the shock linkage. Give your chainstays a tug to the left and right to see how much lateral movement you get out of them. If you have a lot, you could probably have the same problem I had with mine. I solved mine with a upper and lower bearing kit, but I'm sure new bushings would take care of it as well.

    It's not hard to undo the whole rear triangle. Just follow the instructions in reverse as posted by Diesel in post # 50, figure 6. The upper pivot is slightly different but the basic principle is still the same. Just remember the order in which the parts come out and keep everything organized. The pivot cones may need a little encouragement to come out, just be careful with them (right or wrong, I used a small screwdriver inserted into the opposite end and a hammer to tap both of them out). Once those cones are out of the upper frameand lower BB pivots, the whole rear triangle will come off. Good luck with the build....
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    Quote Originally Posted by miataeric1
    please excuse my lack of technical jargin....it's been too many years

    Yeah I got that problem too. I use too many non technical descriptions... I referenced Diesel's manual that he posted earlier and labeled the areas...hopefully this'll help clarify what we're talking about...
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    This thread makes me miss my 98 LTS3000. I bought it brand new in 98 and sold it in 2008... original everything and needed nothing. I would buy it back if I had the chance.

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    This all helps make me feel sick about selling my '98 STS frame for 50 bucks.
    A friend of mine is riding my old '96 LTS.He needs lower main bushings/cones and that hour glass shaped thing,ie the whole lower main everything.Never mind the whole bike is falling apart.It was at the beach a few years.If he gets a new bike I might end up with the old LTS and would like to fix it.

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