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    2014 GT Sensor and Force 27.5


    Nice product coming out of the GT camp for next year! 130mm Sensor and 150mm Force, both in carbon...get ready!

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    That is one strangest looking suspension designs. I've never seen anything like it.
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    Force might be my next bike.

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    2014 GT Sensor and Force 27.5

    Pretty slick!!

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    Supposedly there is a third bike as well, a 160mm bike that they aren't unveiling just yet which is their enduro bike. Anyone know any more about that one ?

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    I would like the 160 enduro. I'm wondering if there will be a frame only option for these bikes?

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    I am hoping that this is still coming out, probaly the 160 bike like a new Sanction?
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    It seemed too developed to be scrapped for what the new force is. Also has a lot of features the new force is missing like ISCG and piggyback shock room.

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    A 26" hardtail would be great........
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    They should re-name the new ones as RTS-I drive



    The would've just put the BB right in that link 18 years ago and it would have been a revolution! lol


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    2014 GT Sensor and Force 27.5

    Hope to see some rider impressions and reviews. Hopefully this design loses the stupid creaks and the constant loosening of the pivot bolts. They look sweet would love to test ride the carbon team force.


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    Videos on the new GT bike's suspension design...

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    I pray for zero creaks since my sanction always is in need of some love to keep it from sounding like hell.

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    The new suspension is intriguing. Not sure if I'll like the crank/pedals moving backwards that much under compression, but I bet it makes the bike manual like a hardtail.

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    Or a refined version of this in 27.5!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katz View Post
    The new suspension is intriguing. Not sure if I'll like the crank/pedals moving backwards that much under compression, but I bet it makes the bike manual like a hardtail.
    Yes, I noticed that as well. That looked like a crazy amount of crank movement! My knees would not like that...
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    You don't feel it one bit when riding it. My buddy has a current model Sensor 9r and it's stinking nice! The new one being lower and slacker will only make it better. the iDrive is wild when you're climbing because your mass actually shifts backwards a bit when the suspension compresses on technical stuff so the traction literally digs in. A normal bike, the rear wheel is left to it's own devices but the iDrive actually borrows your body weight to assist in climbing traction. Lots going on with that design and most of it's good Only draw backs to me about HIS bike is frame weight and it's pretty loud. Lots of squeaks from the pivots but that could be down to his maintenance, or lack thereof. If the new frame addresses those two issues I'd have to think about a 650b version pretty hard, UNLESS Knolly's secret bike is a carbon 650b. A plastic, 650b Knolly or GT could possibly be joining my Prime in the garage next summer

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    Quote Originally Posted by DFYFZX View Post
    You don't feel it one bit when riding it. My buddy has a current model Sensor 9r and it's stinking nice! The new one being lower and slacker will only make it better. the iDrive is wild when you're climbing because your mass actually shifts backwards a bit when the suspension compresses on technical stuff so the traction literally digs in. A normal bike, the rear wheel is left to it's own devices but the iDrive actually borrows your body weight to assist in climbing traction. Lots going on with that design and most of it's good Only draw backs to me about HIS bike is frame weight and it's pretty loud. Lots of squeaks from the pivots but that could be down to his maintenance, or lack thereof. If the new frame addresses those two issues I'd have to think about a 650b version pretty hard, UNLESS Knolly's secret bike is a carbon 650b. A plastic, 650b Knolly or GT could possibly be joining my Prime in the garage next summer
    I have ridden an old Sensor 26 and was blown away by the suspension performance. I don't remember it having any crank movement like that! I just can't believe that you could not feel that level of crank movement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vespasianus View Post
    I have ridden an old Sensor 26 and was blown away by the suspension performance. I don't remember it having any crank movement like that! I just can't believe that you could not feel that level of crank movement.
    I have a Distortion 1.0. The crank movement is about 3/8" throughout the suspension travel (112mm). I can't see it moving much more than 1/2" on longer-travel cousins (current Sanction/Force).

    With AOS, it looks like the crank moves back at least an inch and half on the CAD model shown in the video. Apparently it works well enough for Dan Atherton and Hans Rey so I'm not questioning its effectiveness. But I am speculating it's gonna feel a little weird until you get used to it.

    I am still interested in trying it, though. If I'm seeing it right, the motion of your legs will be much more efficiently transferred to the bike when you do bunnyhops and manuals.

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    These 2 bikes cannot be released soon enough for me. Does anyone know if these are coming out this year , or are they being released in 2014?

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    2014 GT Sensor and Force 27.5

    Ya I second that release date and prices?


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    that black/white/gold paint job on the Sensor Carbon Team makes that bike gorgeous. I know getting a bike for the paint job/looks is silly but come on, it's so damn pretty!!

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    I can't get over the resurgence GT is making. I first fell in love with GT back int he LTS days, but the past couple of years have been...well not so impressive. But you can see them gearing up and kick ass, and its about time. I think the Distortion was the first signs of it, but they're going full tilt now. That blue and white Sensor looks just amazing, and I have no doubts it will ride even better than it looks.
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    That Sensor looks like a serious contender to join my Xizang 9r. That or the Santacruz Solo. The Sensor will be available from september onward, the Force from january.
    I've been on the Sensor 9r for a couple of rides and that bike was awesome. Only drawback : it's big as a truck. Once you riding it you don't feel it but you need a ladder to get on it. With the medium wheelsize that should be better.
    Now I need to go and see my friend Mark M., maybe he already has one of the new Sensors in his truck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DFYFZX View Post
    You don't feel it one bit when riding it. My buddy has a current model Sensor 9r and it's stinking nice! The new one being lower and slacker will only make it better. the iDrive is wild when you're climbing because your mass actually shifts backwards a bit when the suspension compresses on technical stuff so the traction literally digs in. A normal bike, the rear wheel is left to it's own devices but the iDrive actually borrows your body weight to assist in climbing traction. Lots going on with that design and most of it's good Only draw backs to me about HIS bike is frame weight and it's pretty loud. Lots of squeaks from the pivots but that could be down to his maintenance, or lack thereof. If the new frame addresses those two issues I'd have to think about a 650b version pretty hard, UNLESS Knolly's secret bike is a carbon 650b. A plastic, 650b Knolly or GT could possibly be joining my Prime in the garage next summer
    Agreed on the I-drive rear suspension. I just took my Sensor 9r to Colorado in May and got to do some really chunky climbs. Rear shock is an x-fusion which is super-plush and has almost zero platform. I was blown away at how well it pedaled over large rocks and obstacles. I wanted to lean forward, but I found that if I kept my weight back, I had plenty of support from the rear suspension, yet somehow it remained plush.

    How does the Prime pedal in comparison? I love my Sensor, but have been looking at the Prime because I want something slacker and with a lower BB, and a longer TT would be nice for me. But I would hate to give up my I-drive.

    If GT updates the Sensor 9r like they are doing with the 26er, I'd be all over that!

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    2014 GT Sensor and Force 27.5

    The Prime is sheer excellence. My buddy rides a Yeti SB95 and we swapped bikes for a ride the other day. He was blown away by the pedaling efficiency and yet he also couldn't believe the downhill prowess. He didn't say he was ready to give up his SB but he was very surprised by the Prime. He said he always assumed his bike was superior due to the switch pivot and all the chit chat about the SB but now he's not so convinced. He wasn't expecting the slap in the face...

    As far as my ride on the SB??? Meh...

    The one caveat to the Prime is it's pretty heavy. It doesn't feel like it when you're riding it, and I have mine built to 29.9lbs(with lots of carbon AND carbon wheels), but it is most definitely an AM bike! A few guys XC race them but they're not expecting to be competitive. It's just for fun.

    I believe GT is updating the Sensor 9r to the new AOS system. I thought I read that somewhere...

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    Thanks, that's good to hear about the Prime. I live in Texas, so if I buy one I probably won't be able to demo it. I'm not too concerned about the weight - I weigh 225 and can't seem to tell a difference between bikes that are 2-4 lbs different. I put a much higher premium on pedaling efficiency.

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    2014 GT Sensor and Force 27.5

    Seriously January? For the force Crom! Well guess the piggy bank will swell by then. Any word on frame only options?


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    I called GT and no frame only option which I think is just stupid. Release dates and pricing will be released next week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by socalMX View Post
    I called GT and no frame only option which I think is just stupid.
    +1

    One thing I noticed is the lack of available space around the shock area. Makes me wonder if anything more than a CTD or the like would fit. Hopefully that's not the case.

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    I called GT today about release dates on the Sensor and Force

    The girl who answered did not seem sure of the answers she was giving me, so take with a grain of salt. She said the Sensor will be released starting in August and go into September. My thinking is maybe the carbons first followed by aluminum second or vice versa. She said the Force would also be released in September.

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    Carbon frames will be available seperately (in Europe at least ) : 3,299 Euro for the Sensor Carbon ; 3,399 for the Force Carbon, both with Kashima shocks

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    Quote Originally Posted by socalMX View Post
    I called GT and no frame only option which I think is just stupid. Release dates and pricing will be released next week.
    What?? No frame only?? I was seriously waiting in the wings to see when this would be available, and also to see what Yeti ends up doing with 650B... I have a 575 that I'm super happy with - no sold on SB... but I've yet to ride one. But GT sure has my attention as of late with their resurgence and solid design. No frame only could be a complete deal breaker. I build my own bikes, I don't want an overpriced pre-built bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmx1 View Post
    Carbon frames will be available seperately (in Europe at least ) : 3,299 Euro for the Sensor Carbon ; 3,399 for the Force Carbon, both with Kashima shocks

    ouch! 3400 Euro is almost 4500 USD at today's exchange... for just a frame and shock (even for carbon - that is insanely expensive)

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    All this news is discouraging for me. I was willing to spend $2700 max for the Force carbon pro frame. If they don't offer a frame only option at a competative pricepoint, GT doesn't get my money, its that simple. Bad business move if this is the case.

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    Yup, unless they get the frame price closer to what else is out there, they will be off my list real quick.

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    Next time you are on the phone with GT.Tell them bloghogs still needs that xizang....
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    Hmm, I'm interested in the prices, anyone have a ballpark guess of what the force carbon expert would be around? I just started riding again, was thinking a sensor carbon, but I already have a well eqipped idrive 5 so no use in another 5 inch bike, hell $2-3k for ANY carbon frame seems redic when most of them are made in taiwain anyways.

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    According to this there will be a frame only. I'm also interested in that as my current Sanction makes me pretty happy with the build I have on it. I would just need to update the stan's rims. Fingers crossed that the price point is competitive with other brands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmx1 View Post
    Carbon frames will be available seperately (in Europe at least ) : 3,299 Euro for the Sensor Carbon ; 3,399 for the Force Carbon, both with Kashima shocks
    If those figures are correct they are carrying a very significant premium in price over the likes of Ibis, Yeti, etc.
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    Re: 2014 GT Sensor and Force 27.5

    Quote Originally Posted by Whip Chop! View Post
    According to this there will be a frame only. I'm also interested in that as my current Sanction makes me pretty happy with the build I have on it. I would just need to update the stan's rims. Fingers crossed that the price point is competitive with other brands.

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    So I was searching dealers in Canada and the only place that carries GT is a large sporting goods store called sport check? seriously ? I'm nervous at the idea of dropping 4500+ dollars at a store where I know more about bikes then the sales dude.....

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    I get the feeling GT is focusing on getting some complete bikes out, and getting their early adopters happy - and once they get a better feel on reviews and demand they'll adjust the price and release frame/rear shock kits at that point. I don't think Cannondale group are that allergic to money.

    My pricing worry on these are that the Carbon frames made in Taiwan aren't super unique, the shock location may make some buyers want to go with remotes on the rear shock, and for weight conscious buyers, even the 150mm Force with less competition in that amount of travel, the iDrive isn't a super light system.

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    So are we ever gonna see real world pricing and actual delivery dates? Seems like GT had a huge jump in creating excitement and has now just about lost all of it. I haven't heard much about these recently and they seem to be falling off the radar quick!

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    been doing some digging on these bikes and guess what I found?! Demo day in Temecula, if you are around the area of Temecula, Ca in socal on the 4th of August...

    I posted a thread in the socal forum about the demo day but this popped up on my facebook this afternoon.

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    there was a GT demo day at el prieto here in LA. i went and road the new force. i am not lying why i say its the best all mountain bike or best all around socal bike that a rider could ask for. its my next bike.

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    I'm really wondering how well the Sensor climbs.

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    Re: 2014 GT Sensor and Force 27.5

    Quote Originally Posted by jazclrint View Post
    I'm really wondering how well the Sensor climbs.
    I dont doubt it'll climb just as well or better then previous sensors (I drive bikes in general).
    Still awaiting pricing though. Looking at a new rig and the yeyi 575 and ibis mojo SL/r are looking good right now

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    I rode the Sensor this past weekend, and had a blast on it. This was my first ride on a 650b, so I don't have anything to compare it to - but I liked the bike. Unlike a 29er, I didn't notice much difference between it and my current bike, a 2008 5.Spot. However, I cleaned a few technical climbs that I struggle with (and usually fail) on my 5.Spot. Once I got done with the climbing, it got really fun - it was much more confidence inspiring, and more fun, to ride on jumps, flowy trail sections, and on the chunk. It put a real nice grin on my face. That said, I thought the suspension looks pretty crazy, and I'd hesitate to pay top dollar for a design that I don't know much about - my fear would be creaking, more than anything else, as well as limited dealer/mechanic support.

    Again though, super fun.

    Also, I thought the wheel graphics were clever - thought they were Enve on first sight.

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    They will be at In Cycle in San Dimas Ca. on the 24th.

    Ok, I have a good 650b wheel/tire combo, 2014 Pike, XX1 drive, XT brakes etc... It would cost me thousands extra to own this bike swapping & selling parts if buying the complete. To top it off, the team colorway (black/gold) will not be available in the US! BUMMER.

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    Quote Originally Posted by socalMX View Post
    They will be at In Cycle in San Dimas Ca. on the 24th.

    Ok, I have a good 650b wheel/tire combo, 2014 Pike, XX1 drive, XT brakes etc... It would cost me thousands extra to own this bike swapping & selling parts if buying the complete. To top it off, the team colorway (black/gold) will not be available in the US! BUMMER.
    If you are referring to the Sensor Team, I am curious where you heard that because it is in our dealer book.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jazclrint View Post
    If you are referring to the Sensor Team, I am curious where you heard that because it is in our dealer book.
    No, the Force is the one. I really do not understand either.

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    Pricing and spec details:

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    hmm...

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    Are they gonna offer 29'ers like this?
    Ok,seems they are not and re going mainly 27.5.I have always enjoyed the small bump compliance of a high pivot.I will be watching these closely.I can see adding one of these to the fleet.It will probably eliminate a few of the other bikes.

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    Re: 2014 GT Sensor and Force 27.5

    Nice bike and all (force) but after seeing the prices... PASS. GT just comes out of no where and wants to charge a crazy amount for the force? Love my GT but my next bike won't be a new force...ibis mojo SLR I guess it is

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    Quote Originally Posted by mxer View Post
    Are they gonna offer 29'ers like this?
    Ok,seems they are not and re going mainly 27.5.I have always enjoyed the small bump compliance of a high pivot.I will be watching these closely.I can see adding one of these to the fleet.It will probably eliminate a few of the other bikes.
    I really hope so. I was able to check out the Force in Park City UT and do a parking-lot ride. Very stout bike with a beefy rear suspension. Pedaled as awesome as my Sensor even with the shock in Decend mode. Guy at the LBS rides enduro, has access to a lot of different bikes, and was raving about how well it crushed the downhills.

    If GT would build a 29er like this, I'd be all over it. Just looking for a frame though, do not want or need a complete bike.

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    I think if GT would sell frame-only options, they'd have more success. As said above, their early hype has all but fizzled. Not helped by Dan Atherton's early out of the Enduro season.

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    Any ride reviews of either bike? I am particularly interested in the Sensor. Thanks.

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    Re: 2014 GT Sensor and Force 27.5

    Tons. Google. Friend owns a GT dealer. I need to go talk numbers on a sensor.

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    Couple quick things here.

    To those that are worried about fitting in a different shock, heres a bit of a reality check. I would be willing to bet a large sum that not a single person on this board rides hard enough to outdo even the base CTD shock from Fox, myself definitely included. Take the CTD, send it to a qualified tuner, get it done up, and you'll be fine. I am by no means a lover of Fox Shox, but they do work pretty damn well. Not a fan of the forx though...

    Now, regarding Sportchek in Canada. Not a fan of them either. Yes, some locations have decent mechanics working there. Yes, some locations have sales people that know what they are talking about. And yes, for the most part, they are kind of rubbish with everything else. Consider this though. You can you buy a Mercedes S-class from Walmart, and that doesnt' make it any less of a Mercedes. Buying from Sportchek means dealing with half-assed salesguys and mechanics (who in all fairness have to know a lot of things about a whole range of products, so theres that) but at the end of the day you still end up with a bike that looks like it will be one hell of a long-term trail shredding solution.

    For me, saving has started so I can rock a Sensor Carbon Pro next year. Trails, you're in trouble.
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    I would argue that GT hasn't actually come out of nowhere. We sold one of the last 2012 Force Carbons. They were alloy only in 2013. I got to built it and test ride it. It was the first bike I climbed the alley out back in the big ring (2X10), and felt like it wanted to.

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    Tons. Google. Friend owns a GT dealer. I need to go talk numbers on a sensor.
    Haha. yeah, I've read all those. I was looking for your guys impressions. Thank you, though.

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    Haha. yeah, I've read all those. I was looking for your guys impressions. Thank you, though.
    Waiting for those too. Such sexy bikes. I hope they ride 1/2 as good as they look.

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    Looks like GT's website was updated with the 2014 models. Sadly the blue aluminum Sensor doesn't appear to be available to Americans. But it's listed on the Canadian website version, where they also sell the frame and a special Hans Rey edition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pacific View Post
    Looks like GT's website was updated with the 2014 models. Sadly the blue aluminum Sensor doesn't appear to be available to Americans. But it's listed on the Canadian website version, where they also sell the frame and a special Hans Rey edition.

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    The Blue Aluminum Sensor was the one that interested me the most, I hope GT ends up releasing that one in the US. Am I the only one that thinks the American models are not that appealing from a price/ group set point? The entry level Sensor elite is comparable to a Heckler/ Bantam but the higher price models seem lackluster. There's a huge jump in price from the Sensor Expert to the Carbon Pro price wise that the Canadian model Sensor Pro would slide nicely in between them.
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    Saw the 2014 Sensor Carbon Pro yesterday. My LBS has one as his personal bike. Very impressive, 12.5 kg (size L) ready to roll including pedals and dropper post. Next week he has a medium available for testing

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    Did a quick spin around the block on the Large. The Large is way too tall for me, even with a 50 mm stem my LBS had mounted. He has the bars in a weird angle so that doesn't help either. The frame feels incredibly stiff, power transfer is direct but the steering felt strange. Have to wait and test the medium...

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    Thank you for the update!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmx1 View Post
    Did a quick spin around the block on the Large. The Large is way too tall for me, even with a 50 mm stem my LBS had mounted. He has the bars in a weird angle so that doesn't help either. The frame feels incredibly stiff, power transfer is direct but the steering felt strange. Have to wait and test the medium...
    How tall are you? How tall is he? And is it worth the $7050 MSRP?

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    Noob question to the GT world here - anyone explain why GT doesn't offer just the framesets in the US? I just can't understand why a company would build products for the biking world but then refuse to sell only certain items to the #1 economy in the world.... :/

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisingrassia View Post
    Noob question to the GT world here - anyone explain why GT doesn't offer just the framesets in the US? I just can't understand why a company would build products for the biking world but then refuse to sell only certain items to the #1 economy in the world.... :/
    I have been digging and digging for months with excitement and nothing. Calling & speaking to several reps & even the guys at a demo. I wanted a Force team frame and learned that frame is only available in Europe! WTF!? Ok so I settled on a Pro & no go...WHY they would not simply sell me a frame for $2800+ (current market for carbon frames) is beyond me. Its the customer first, its the customer that keeps you in business!!! Taking my money elsewhere, screw em...

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    I can't say for sure as I don't work for GT (but man I wish), but i have a guess.

    I'm willing to bet it has something to do with how silly the US cycling community is as a whole when they buy stuff. I'm better that even with the Athertons, the advertising and all the press they are getting, they still aren't in demand enough in the US to warrant bringing in just the frames. I'd bet that people that buy just frames and build from there are very few compared to people that buy as a whole. I'm further willing to bet that of those that do buy just frames, most are the typical consumer muppet that buy whatevers popular, instead of paying attention to the real details and numbers on a bike. For example, I've seen a whole bunch of Pivot bikes with out of spec seat tubes, and some with sloppy pivots (ha) right out of the box. They still sell. I can think of a few "hand made" US companies that send out crooked bikes, with sloppy welds and crap alignment. They still sell. Hell Crank Brothers makes some terrible stuff, and it still sells. Quite a bit of it sells too. It all sells on hype and manufactured cool factor.

    Point is (and again, this is all just a guess) that GT is on an upward arc right now. They're coming back to what they used to be in the late 90s/ early 2000s. The guys at GT aren't stupid, and wouldn't deprive you of a frameset without a hell of a good reason. Let GT get some momentum back under them, and I bet you see framesets available again. They aren't there yet, but you can clearly see them coming.


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    Quote Originally Posted by dropmachine.com View Post
    I can't say for sure as I don't work for GT (but man I wish), but i have a guess.

    I'm willing to bet it has something to do with how silly the US cycling community is as a whole when they buy stuff. I'm better that even with the Athertons, the advertising and all the press they are getting, they still aren't in demand enough in the US to warrant bringing in just the frames. I'd bet that people that buy just frames and build from there are very few compared to people that buy as a whole. I'm further willing to bet that of those that do buy just frames, most are the typical consumer muppet that buy whatevers popular, instead of paying attention to the real details and numbers on a bike. For example, I've seen a whole bunch of Pivot bikes with out of spec seat tubes, and some with sloppy pivots (ha) right out of the box. They still sell. I can think of a few "hand made" US companies that send out crooked bikes, with sloppy welds and crap alignment. They still sell. Hell Crank Brothers makes some terrible stuff, and it still sells. Quite a bit of it sells too. It all sells on hype and manufactured cool factor.

    Point is (and again, this is all just a guess) that GT is on an upward arc right now. They're coming back to what they used to be in the late 90s/ early 2000s. The guys at GT aren't stupid, and wouldn't deprive you of a frameset without a hell of a good reason. Let GT get some momentum back under them, and I bet you see framesets available again. They aren't there yet, but you can clearly see them coming.


    again, all just a guess.
    That is a complex theory, and perhaps you're on to something. But the frame-only is also sold in Canada too....not just Europe. I realize that the high price of these bikes is also due to the huge redesign and related R&D. But depriving the US market of a frame-only option won't make US consumers spend $7-10K for the complete bike when there are cheaper and better alternatives currently available in the US now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pacific View Post
    How tall are you? How tall is he? And is it worth the $7050 MSRP?
    I'm 178 cm, he's 183. That would be 5'10 and 6'.
    To judge on the price, I have to ride for a couple of times .

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    You have to remember though that MSRP is still a suggestion, so I wouldn't go too hard on that.

    I don't know why Canada gets the frame option. Or why we have the distortion (which is an INCREDIBLE bike) and the US doesn't. No idea. As with the rubbish I posted above, I can only guess. At the end of the day though, you have to know that they have their reasons.

    I know myself, I'd love to build it from a fame only as well. I have a lovely plan for one. That said, the spec on them is hardly anything to laugh at, so even having to go with a full build would hardly be a burden.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dropmachine.com View Post
    You have to remember though that MSRP is still a suggestion, so I wouldn't go too hard on that.

    I don't know why Canada gets the frame option. Or why we have the distortion (which is an INCREDIBLE bike) and the US doesn't. No idea. As with the rubbish I posted above, I can only guess. At the end of the day though, you have to know that they have their reasons.

    I know myself, I'd love to build it from a fame only as well. I have a lovely plan for one. That said, the spec on them is hardly anything to laugh at, so even having to go with a full build would hardly be a burden.
    I called GT & asked about the frame only option in Canada because I was going to have a friend buy and ship one down and was told they made a mistake on the Canadian website and frame only is NOT an option in Canada...

    Bottom line is, no matter the reason they have, like I said, customers keep you in business, customers come first!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dropmachine.com View Post
    they still aren't in demand enough in the US to warrant bringing in just the frames.
    Fine. Don't bring them in then. Just sell them online and ship them to us as ordered.

    Quote Originally Posted by dropmachine.com View Post
    I'd bet that people that buy just frames and build from there are very few compared to people that buy as a whole. I'm further willing to bet that of those that do buy just frames, most are the typical consumer muppet that buy whatevers popular, instead of paying attention to the real details and numbers on a bike.
    I'm not so sure I agree with this. Don't you have this backwards? I'd bet my ridiculous gov't salary that folks buying just a frameset know exactly the specs and dimensions they want/need, but want to customize all their other parts and not buy a complete.

    No? I'm just very discouraged that I found a bike that fits exactly what I would need....but they won't sell it to me because I'm in America. Hogwash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by socalMX View Post
    I called GT & asked about the frame only option in Canada because I was going to have a friend buy and ship one down and was told they made a mistake on the Canadian website and frame only is NOT an option in Canada...

    Bottom line is, no matter the reason they have, like I said, customers keep you in business, customers come first!
    Thanks for calling and sharing with us. More bad news :-(
    I guess this means that the gorgeous blue aluminum Sensor Pro on the Canadian website is also a mistake. C'mon GT!

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    Canada is a european country in NA. The same thing happened in Honda motorcycles before the US and Canadian distributors combined. In Canada you could get every colored VFR Honda offered in Europe. In the US, you got red. And while the VFR was niche bike in the US, the shere volume compared to Canada didn't make sense why the US market couldn't have more than red. I think a very similar thing is happening here. I'd call GT Canada and ask them directly whether they sell framesets only, and if you can get the blue Pro.

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    I called GT and Sport Chek is the ONLY current Canadian distributor/retailer so I called them direct and they told me they can only get what they stock in store which is lower level bikes, they are a big box store like Sportmart/Sport Chalet. Joke!

    I guess our best chance is through Chain Reaction as they usually offer free shipping to the US...I just sent them an email

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    That blows. I say order away. If Chain Reaction get s a ton of frame only sales and dealers complain then guess what frame only options for the US. Only it'll be too late because evryone will have bought them from Chain reaction already.

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    Anyone have one of these yet? I'm trying to get my hands on the 27.5 Trail King's and hoping there'd be some take-offs laying around somewhere!

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    Re: 2014 GT Sensor and Force 27.5

    Waiting on reviews from end users before ordering a force expert.

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    Some trim levels of the 2014 Sensors are on Performance Bike's website. They're discounted from MSRP already but prices are ridiculous anyway (Carbon starts at $6.5K). Local shop said it can be ordered but sizing is limited.

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    There is a link to the Force but it shows no products when you click on it.
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    Stopped in my local Performance shop and checked out a fully assembled Sensor Elite model this weekend. This particular bike was a small size, which seemed to fit my 5'7 frame just right according to the mechanic. He weighed it for me and it came out to a surprising 32 lbs. Granted this is the lower end model of the Sensor lineup. This bike was also broken for some reason and I wasn't able to ride it. Must be early production bugs. I asked if they could order the blue aluminum Sensor Pro for me as it's only available in Europe apparently. They'll check with GT tomorrow they said.
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    I test rode that exact bike on the trails yesterday. Immediate thoughts was wow this is heavy.
    As far as the suspension goes I had no problems with it, solid when climbing, but descending it felt very stiff aswell. Other bikes I have and have ridden seem to soak hits up. The GT sort of smashed into the ground instead of soaking it up. The suspension was set up correctly. Other things to note, BB is low, kept striking my pedals all the time.
    In all I cannot fault the suspension design, however I cannot praise it anymore then the Giant Maestro system I am currently riding. When you consider they are asking top dollar I really don't see the value over anything else. I didn't jump on it and think 'holy sh1t this is great' I jumped on it and felt like any other modern suspension system.
    Nice looking bike, if you have the money for a decent spec'd one then I wouldn't try and talk someone out of buying one.

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    Thank you for that. Thing is Giant is asking top dollar for their stuff now as well. At least that's what my customers are telling me.

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    Yeah luckily in Australia the prices for Giants are cheap for now.

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    Re: 2014 GT Sensor and Force 27.5

    Can't wait to get some more real world reviews.

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    Well my dealer finally heard from GT today. Sadly they confirmed that the aluminum blue Sensor Pro is only available in Europe. I don't get it, but what can I do?

    I guess the fruity bike colors are only popular in Europe. The bike already seems overpriced, so getting it shipped from Europe seems a bit irrational. What pisses me off is that they keep advertising the blue Sensor Pro in Mountain Bike Action magazine.

    GT...if you're reading this.....WTF!!??

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    Is it available in Canada? If it is, phone Sportchek and see if you can order one. I'll help get it sent up to you, wherever you are. Shipping costs on you, of course.
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    Gt's not the only one. Giant has some models the US guys decided not to carry. We only get one Anthem 27.5 in Alum.

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    I have a 2011 GT Sensor 9r Pro and a 2011 Giant Anthem X 29er 2 and like both rear suspension designs. Naturally in looking into a 27.5 bike, I naturally narrowed my choices to GT or Giant. Based on component specs on my current bikes, to get equal or close components on a 27.5 GT/Giant, I'd have to go with the GT Sensor Expert ($3800 retail US) or the Giant 27.5 1 ($3500 retail US). I was fortunate to be able to ride the Giant at a demo day and put 1.5 hours on it on a nasty trail. Worked great and weighed 30.25lbs (size XL) with pedals. The shop hosting the demo also sold GT and they had a GT Elite size XL they built for me to try in the parking lot (they didn't have an Expert). The Elite weighed 34lbs with pedals (ouch!)..I'm guessing the Expert would be around 32. I know it was the $2800 retail US Elite I tried, but the fork/brakes/shifters felt sub-par. Also the rear hub freewheel gave out after 10 minutes of just riding in the parking lot. (the dealer told me another freewheel broke on them too).

    Performance is discounting the GT $300 bringing the price equal to retail of the Giant, but the Giant has much better components (Fox TALAS fork, fox shock, XT crank, XT derailleur, SLX brakes) for equal $. Add in the estimated 2 lb weight saving on the Giant and the fact that Giant offered a 15% discount if you bought a bike the day of the demo...I had to go with the Giant 27.5 1 while pocketing $600 after taxes in savings over the discounted GT Sensor Expert!

    I still think the new GT rear suspension looks cool and would like to eventually get a 2014 Sensor, but may have to wait a year or so via the used bike market to buy.

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    Which Giant 27.5? The make a bunch of them. Trance? Anthem? XTC hardtail?

    Thank you for the review!

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    Sorry! Trance 27.5 1

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    Same thoughts as I had Whitedog. I think GT will struggle to sell high volumes of these bikes. The price difference is even higher in Aus/NZ.

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    Flow finally did a full review. Hopefully more to come.

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    I would love to see a comparison between the Sensor, Trance, and Intense.

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    I'm alwaysa GT fanboy.
    However the price of GT is always not so friendly, and this year, the price is going up again, which let the "performance/value" is getting lower and lower.

    For sure, I really really love the design of Sensor in this year! It looks like a mini DH frame suspension!!
    And it solves all the short-come from last model.
    It has the slacker headtube angle, longer top-tube, F15mm+R142X12mm thur axis, very popular 27.5er, low BB + low center of gravity; WHAT A NICE SPEC!!

    But somewhat, it is still heavier than the same type of trail bike, like Giant Trance, however it looks stronger and like a heavy duty bike (The buffering in Giant is really thin, comparing to GT).

    Senosr is MUCH MUCH expensive than Trance, by the way.

    In here, we could use under US$2300 to buy the Trance 27.5 2, with Fox Float 32 140mm, Deore+SLX gearset, which is US$500 cheaper than Sensor Elite, but Trance has 1 class higher than Sensor. And not saying it is 1Kg lighter, and 1.5 degree slacker in HT angle than Sensor too.

    When comparing to the suspension system, I think both of Maestro and AOS are great design. While Maestro tends to plush, and absorb the pump very nice, but AOS/i-Drive tends to "hit hard", and push you to go (the characteristic of single pivot), you would ride faster and actively during the pumps.

    They perform in totally different way when riding it.
    I used to play in the i-drive, and I have to learn to use the Maestro system now.

    Intense is out of my budget totally.
    The similar model should be Tracer 275, but it has more travel (150-160mm), and so the rival is GT Force, not Sensor.
    So I'm not going to comparing in here.
    And as it is a AM bike, the weight should be the heaviest with 3 models

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