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    2012 GT Xizang

    Well, apparently she's making a return for 2012 in 29'er guise for us yanks and in the traditional 26" for the European market. I don't know anything about the model aside from this picture tweeted by Matt Phillips from Rodale:



    So, here are the questions:

    Since Forrest Yelverton finally left the company, who's behind this? And, more importantly, who's making the frame?

    According to Phillips, the price tag for the frame will be north of 2 G's, so a domestic manufacturer can't be ruled out. Lynskey seems to be getting most of the contract work these days for private label Ti frames.
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    According to GT its 29er and maybe 26 in S, XS... but I hope , hope the 26in for EU is true... cause then I'll sell up everything to get one...

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    I hope the medium is a 29er as I don't think I could justify another 26er at home.

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    talked to gt, they say most likely all 29ers, only maybe a 26 in the smaller sizes, and europe will be 29er too, and maybe (slight chance i think) of a 26in, yet to be decided.

    Makes it easy for me, the only way you would get me on a 29er is with one of these, and even then only if I got some super mega deal... I think it will be time to track down a late model original... or a Dean Colonel...

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    So, the basics on this Xizang rebirth:

    9R for USA - medium, large, XL
    26" for EU & Asia - XS, small, medium

    Sizing & geometry same as new Zaskar Carbons.

    Features & details:
    Geometry for 100mm fork
    Tapered headtube for integrated bearings
    Post mount disc brake
    Replaceable RD hanger
    31.6mm post/34.9mm clamp
    Polished finish

    Made in Taiwan at a well respected frame maker who has some old school roots with GT. One of Forrest's last projects with CSG was visiting this vendor and giving them the "thumbs up" to do Xizangs.

    -ska todd

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    woot... will have to source one from EU then...
    when do they come out... I have already told the GF that if there is a 26in, then I'll be trying to get one... only problem is... I currently earn zero dollars, at the start of next year, both my GF and I are moving interstate (from cold Tasmania, to hot Queensland) to start jobs... but till then I am broke as broke and about to incurre hefty relocation spending, so hopefully its mid next year... (and hopefully the australian dollar can keep its legend status, and not take a nose dive like the last time I had my finger on the trigger of a xizang)

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    Ignore them till they go away.It's corporate policy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ska todd View Post
    One of Forrest's last projects with CSG was visiting this vendor and giving them the "thumbs up" to do Xizangs.

    -ska todd
    Nice. I wonder where he'll turn up.

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    29er for sure in M/L/XL, suggested retail US$2,200. I'm guessing and hoping Titanium Sports (formerly Sandvik's frame shop) will be doing them. There is good history there between the companies. Notealso that TiSports their web site is in the process of a rebuild right now...what could this mean.
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    Wow never imagined this day would come again. I'd hope it's ebb compatible or something that makes the frame unique... Cheezy decals gotta go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hatake View Post
    Wow never imagined this day would come again. I'd hope it's ebb compatible or something that makes the frame unique... Cheezy decals gotta go.
    So let me get this right....you want what was the rockinest hardtail to be SS compatible?
    Yuk!...if it would sell....but only on one model that's steel.

    I'll say it again...ska todd, Peterman... you and a lot of other people in this industry are missing the boat. Many of the 45-55 somethings with decent jobs and funds don't want all this 100mm pogo adapted, dropped top tube, space flying big hit hardtails. They want the simple high quality bike they couldn't afford back in the late 80's to early 90's. Classy, rigid or 80mm max travel, light weight steel and Ti. Disc brakes would even be a question mark. I'm serious...if you do three models of "GT Classic" you will sell out. Shimano will make the parts if you ask, they need business should be easy to make happen.
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    Ha I was wondering and pondering over the last year (since there was some big lotto thing for ~100million) if i had those piles of money, how much would it take to do do what I was thinking (now that I had more money than I knew what to do with)
    - spec up a Xizang to the same spec at the Zaskar reissue, 100mm fork geo, disc tabs etc for a limited frame production
    -a super limited spec of the Xizang,e xactly the same as the 91, original geometry, get shimano to reissue M900 XTR parts and Rockshox to reissue a Mag 21 (SL)... maybe not totally period specific, depeneds, and call that the Xizang LE...

    anyway, don't ave that cash...yet

    Its like the Ritchey 29er frame, most of the people that lust after a Ritchey, or hell, even remember that they made frames, are the "retro" crowd who are all stuck in their ways and want the stuff they could have (or don't have any more) and are now all cashed up in mid life... hence the whole retro thing going on... so they give us the Ritchey 29er... er... eh? I can understand the 29er to crack in with this new hype thing, but at least give the 26in people (the people that actually want this stuff) something...

    Its the same here, I understand the 29er thing, its the big thing at the moment, but I am happy on my 26in bike, have been for 20 years and fail to see why I need a bike with big wheels to be able to ride any more... I have dreamed of the Xizang comming again, and dreaded it would be a 29er, and it is... I am one of those people where it doesn;t have to be cool carbon, or big wheels or 5in forks, the sort of person that this frame will conjure up emotions of the past for, but its a 29er...which is more the "must have newest, bestest" person (eg a specialised/trek)...

    Anyway enough meaningless, incoherent gibberish from me.

    (aka I agree with GM)

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    I was hoping for a re issue like the zaskar.Like the good old days,only with disc mounts and a modern geo to go with todays parts.This thing is a abomination just like the 26"performer.Let me guess,the small has the girls bike top tube to?The original xizang was one of the,if not the classiest hard tail mtb frames ever made.This..............this is just sad.
    PS fire the graphics guy.
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    Got one

    Just got one in australia, yes its a 29er, but way cool. Could not afford one back in the day.
    We all think its looks great, and yes I like 26" but thats all we got and its the only one in Australia. Mine is not for sale, but.....
    Taking orders.....
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    pics

    Check out our website on the news page in the morning.
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    pics or it didn't happen...

    when is the actual release date?
    how many? (eg zaskar was 500)
    so I am assuming that Oz is lumped in with US and getting the 29er So i'll have to try to get one out of EU... well at least if I miss out, I'll just pick up an old one...

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    Hi guys-

    Thanks for the input, especially from some of the longtime GT fans & "oldtimers". This 2012 Xizang is not in anyway meant to be a "reissue" like the Zaskar of a few years back was (heck, passing current CEN standards using straight up old designs might be tough!) This is a modern retake on the classic. The geometry is thoroughly modern and features are designed for popularly available highend parts (100mm tapered forks, 160mm PM disc brakes, integrated headsets, 2x drivetrains).

    aa & his team did their best to preserve some of the classic look of GT's heritage & heyday but also keeping the look completely relevant to today. As Hans dubbed the look when he saw the first samples of the 2011 Zaskar Carbon Team last year "retro future". We aren't trying to re-create the past but we certainly are giving a tip-of-the-cap and a big thumbs-up to it.

    -ska todd

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    Yeah, cheers, Must admit that from the one pic i've seen, I was under no illusuions it was a reissue (as much as I'd like it to be), and don't mind that its a new bike, where the xizang would ahve ended up anyway if it had never stopped being made... its just the 29er thing... don't mind it there is a 29er... so long as I can get a 26in
    which may be hard...

    still.. when are these due to be released? cause if its soon, then i'm stuffed, but some time next year (hopefully april,) or hopefully still available then... then i'll probably be tracking one down... don't make them too limited...

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    Right now it looks like a mid-late fall release for USA on the Xizang. Some markets might get them earlier/later depending where they fall in the production queue. The 26" vs 29" decision is made regionally by markets based on their particular needs and doesn't emanate directly from Bethel with an iron fist

    -ska todd

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    so thats... spring down here... so later this year... oh no's I'm gunna have no money.


    ** anyone want to buy a Yeti ARC, couple of old Diamond backs, a FS Manitou or a pile of old air jordans...

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    I'm with you on this one GM123. If I'm gonna own a Xizang or a Zaskar it is gonna be an old classic. I don't mind that GT is doing a 29er Xizang but I won't buy one. I am looking at their Zaskar 100 29er full susser, but that's just cuz I love the look of it and I might race it if it's light and quick enough. The only Zaskar esque frame that I have is Todd Wells's old alluminum race frame and it's displayed on my garage wall. Now GM123, if for some reason you wanna part with that two tone purple/chrome Zaskar frame you have, I'd like to be the proud owner of that sweet thing. Hahahaha!
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    Quote Originally Posted by gt jorgito View Post
    The only Zaskar esque frame that I have is Todd Wells's old alluminum (sic) race frame and it's displayed on my garage wall.
    Richard Long is spinning in his grave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jason745 View Post
    Richard Long is spinning in his grave.
    LOL! That's hilarious!
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    Yup...just scored a Ti Lightning, I won't buy anything from the new GT, even my 09 Peace 9R doesn't compare or is as nice as my older GT's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jason745 View Post
    Richard Long is spinning in his grave.
    C'mon now, doesn't she look purtty up there? LOL!
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    Quote Originally Posted by gt jorgito View Post
    Now GM123, if for some reason you wanna part with that two tone purple/chrome Zaskar frame you have, I'd like to be the proud owner of that sweet thing. Hahahaha!
    Not a chance

    There's a couple other nice ones down there that weren't there the last time you visited...must be about time for you to be headed up this way? Why no build on the Wells yet? Don't forget the stilts
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    http://kaoscustombikes.com.au
    Search "xizang" = Total: 0 results found.

    Good morning to you. Hello?

    Really, is it triple triangle? Top tube has 3 cable guides? Or...internal? Or maybe it is ss.

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    yep, nothin, been checking... bloody victorians, promise so much, deliver so little...

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    Quote Originally Posted by gm1230126 View Post
    Not a chance

    There's a couple other nice ones down there that weren't there the last time you visited...must be about time for you to be headed up this way? Why no build on the Wells yet? Don't forget the stilts

    I'm waiting on some money for top level parts for the Wells frame. I want to get it as light as possible. I have an SDG saddle from the GT Team waiting to go on it. Man, I wish I was visiting up there right now. It's a furnace here in OKlahoma, but I'm done with training for now so no Wisco visits for me. Maybe next year I can get a Cath Lab training class. So what else have you gotten now? Seems like every time we talk in here you have something new to show me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ska todd View Post
    Hi guys-

    This 2012 Xizang is not in anyway meant to be a "reissue" like the Zaskar of a few years back was...

    -ska todd
    The Zaskar re-issue was not a re-issue in fact it was modern geometry for up to 100mm forks, disc brakes and had an integrated headset. Just like this Xizang. The only thing re-issue about it were the decals and the name.
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    but... it didn't have a bendy down tube, a tapered head tube (i still don't understand the purpose of this, were old bikes so floppy, or is this to make me not reuse an old fork) and it sure as hell wasn't a 29er...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mik_git View Post
    but... it didn't have a bendy down tube, a tapered head tube (i still don't understand the purpose of this, were old bikes so floppy, or is this to make me not reuse an old fork) and it sure as hell wasn't a 29er...
    Having the down tube go parrallel before angling down gives room for the bigger wheel...The re-issue Zaskars were 26 so didn't need that.
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    yet another reason 29ers are the spam of the devil... you gotta bend the frame to make the wheels fit...!!

    so...gm you going to have any oldies coming through in the next year or so...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ska todd View Post
    This 2012 Xizang is not in anyway meant to be a "reissue" like the Zaskar of a few years back was (heck, passing current CEN standards using straight up old designs might be tough!) This is a modern retake on the classic.
    Then call it something else. Don't try to trade on past glory that's 3 corporations removed from the current company.

    GM123 is absolutely correct. There are enough of us "old timers" out here who know the difference.

    Take a look at the resurgent Eastern Woods Research. They are building new bikes as close to their early 90's roots as possible with some modifications for current forks and disc brakes. Their frames are not inexpensive and yet they can't build them fast enough to meet the demand.

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    it is peeerdy...even if it is a 29er with a bendy noodle downtube...



    Gallery: 2012 GT Xizang 9'r Titanium 29er – First Look - BikeRadar

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    I really want to see a size small 26".
    Ignore them till they go away.It's corporate policy.

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    Well very good, beautiful looking frame. Top tube ovalized looks like? Darn, I have to run EBB again.

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    I really want to see a medium 26in frame...

    I am really torn... next yeat, to I buy an original one, or do I see if they make a 26 and maybe get that... or will i have enough money for anything...?

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    Start putting the money into a piggie bank. Better return than equity investment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hatake View Post
    Well very good, beautiful looking frame. Top tube ovalized looks like?
    You mean just like it is on the original 90-99 Xizang's. Looks a tad more pronounced on this frame because the tubing is larger diameter. Massive seat tube on this one compared to Gen 1 Xizang's
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    Quote Originally Posted by hatake View Post
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    Good morning to you. Hello?

    Really, is it triple triangle? Top tube has 3 cable guides? Or...internal? Or maybe it is ss.
    seems in the morning is a week in vic

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    Grrrr, it will be hard deciding between a Zaskar Carbon 9r and this fine baby....

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    its funny, I was going through some old mags (mostly that oracle MBA) and aprt from the old adds from 99 for $900 xizangs and $400 zaskar teams, $800 STS's, found an article where they too two er fishers, same spec, but one 26 other 29 and their conclusion- 26 beat 29er, that was 2005, how times change

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    But to be fair, Fisher went through so many 29er experiments for years and finally found "the" geometry in the last couple of years. I wouldn't be surprised if all early 2000 29ers were all poor performers.

    29er is not a new thing any more, that I'll be damned if Xizang is a poor performer. I'd be looking for a review that focus on the handling from 29er perspective, not another 26 vs. 29 comparison (that gets old quick).

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    Quote Originally Posted by mik_git View Post
    its funny, I was going through some old mags (mostly that oracle MBA) and aprt from the old adds from 99 for $900 xizangs and $400 zaskar teams, $800 STS's, found an article where they too two er fishers, same spec, but one 26 other 29 and their conclusion- 26 beat 29er, that was 2005, how times change
    No that's how the industry through marketing and forcing racers to ride 29ers shoves them down the markets throat. innovate or die whether it makes sense or not
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    ^ yeah well that's my opinion of it too...

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    Hey the Victorian does have it, just kept it under the rug it looks like... Mik_git, perhaps your winter getaway trip is in order?

    GT Xizang

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    sheez! a few post above^^^

    they don't officially arrive in oz till feb, and only in large (apparently, don't really care as that is for 29er)

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    Bump, any news in the states?? Denver dealers have no word on the ETA...

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    there is a guy in the UK with one in a 26in (damn him, damn him to hell!!!) to test for a mag...

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