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    Hills of Hell 2010

    The Hills of Hell 2010 is scheduled for Saturday, 6 March and Sunday, 7 March 2010 at Lake Elmer Thomas Recreation Area (LETRA), Fort Sill, OK.

    We appreciate and thank all who participated in the Hills of Hell 2009.

    Shane Dunlevy, point of contact, 580-442-3269

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    Thanks for the information Shane. I will be back for sure because I'm a glutton for punishment.

    Also, no matter what else came from this race...my racing buddy got beat by the unicycler!

    I don't care how many tires he "claims" to have blown. No one can verify that, but we can verify the time order.

    Would you post the final results here?

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    Shane,

    Awesome! I commend you on already having a date for next years event and getting the ball rolling right out of the gate. I can already see that next year will be much better than this year, let's get the people out there excited about this race!

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    Hey Guys,

    Shane here. We are going to start planning next year's event in early to mid May. I've posted info on the Lawton Ride 3/8/09 thread. Once we get started with the planning and keeping you guys updated, I'm going to use this thread (Hills of Hell 2010) exclusively, in case you get some folks asking about it.

    Once we get on with the planning, we'll keep you informed on where we are and what we're looking at. We'll certainly take any input you may offer.

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    Shane, Good luck with the planning, the old 12MoH was a 17mile event, and I have thought that in recent years a two lap event on the 17 mile course would be a nice adition to the days racing. 34 miles on those trails would be acceptional, think about adding a two lapper to the event during planning, If the two lappers started with the pack, and turned off at the finish to go around again, it would allow for fitter, faster riders to get a longer event in while the one lappers were finishing, and for most expert riders it would be a better test of fitness, and riding skills. non-expert riders may want to have a bigger challenge as well.

    Don't hesitate to call on this forum with questions and comments while you are nailing down the details for this event, I'm sure I speak for everyone when I say that we would like to see this event get back to the same status it once held as Oklahoma's biggest MTB event.

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    i agree

    I have done the race for 15 years in a row and always felt like it was to short. 25-35 miles would be great. At least make it as long as the old race 15-17 miles. 8 is not worth getting out of bed.

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    This was the second time I've done this race. I did for the first time back in 05. I think that year there was roughly a 14 mile course. While I agree that this year was short (though I'm thankful cause I was really out of shape), I think it's important to keep in mind that there will be a wide variety of skill levels present. You want to challenge the experts while not killing off the beginners. I can tell you that when I started riding, trying to do 20+ miles of that terrain would have had me sittin on some rock a tearful and broken young man. I'm honestly not sure I could have finished...I say that because I know it would have me exhausted to my wits end now as a young 23 year old intermediate level rider. I personally think the course should be between 13 and 16 miles. Thats plenty long enough to allow the experts to get their heart rates up, and short enough that a beginner can finish after a few hours and really feel like they've accomplished something and be challenged to come back the next year and do something better.

    For those wanting more distance, one option I think would be to have some sort of a "marathon" event perhaps. Say you have a 15 mile loop. You can sign up for 1 lap or a 3 lap (marathon) event. Though personally I'll be staying with one. Endurance stuff isn't my thing.

    Shane, I really liked some of the stuff you guys did this year. The electronic timing, blow up start/finish line, the geax booth (get more companies for next year!!), and the awesome burger feed afterwards were definite thumbs up for me. Keep those things around for sure! Lengthen the course, throw in a couple of longer but shallower climbs, and smooth things out with signup and registration (I early registered and didn't get a 09 shirt cause they ran out of Larges, had to go with an 08...I was a little peeved, but I got over it a little when I got the geax pint glass in my goodie bag! Definite plus!!) and promote the crap out of it and I'll think you'll have a killer event (tell the course distance in your ads, that will probably help. And more importantly, be right about it!!) If I'm able, I plan to attend next year. I liked some of what I saw enough to give you guys a second chance. Good luck with it!!

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    Just a thought to get some ideas rolling around what about a "24 hours of hell" event either coupled with the Mar race or later in the fall?

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    Wow, a 24 hour event there would be epic. That would bring alot of people into the race at Fort Sill. I don't know if Fort Sill can handle upwards of 1000 riders but if they are up to the challenge I'm sure the people will be there. This race can be made into a classic 24 hour race. The terrain is definitely there. That would be awesome.
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    Hills of Hell 2010

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    The Hills of Hell 2010 planning has begun. We anticipate there will be some significant improvements to the 2010 event, especially concerning the length of the course. Since we've had small turnouts for the short track event, we anticipate that this event will not be offered for the 2010 event. We do anticipate the Road Race being offered on Saturday, 6 March 2010, separate from the Hills of Hell Mountain Bike Event, which will be held on Sunday, 7 March 2010.

    Another planning meeting is scheduled for next week. If you've got any suggestions, questions, or know of any magazines or other websites we need to "get the word out", let us know.

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    Shane Seriously consider a two lap 35-50 mile event in addition to the traditional one lap "Hell". Marathon racing is gaining popularity, and many racers would be willing to travel to participate in a longer event. Look at the Quachita Challenge as an example, it sells out in less than a day, and brings in racers fron thruout the reigon. Texas has an entire series devoted to these long format races.

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    OK has a couple of endurance races as part of the Ridin' Dirty Series, like the the Six in the Sticks and the Roman Nose 50, a marathon race in Lawton would be a cool addition...

    http://www.sixrace.com/

    Quote Originally Posted by sbsbiker
    Shane Seriously consider a two lap 35-50 mile event in addition to the traditional one lap "Hell". Marathon racing is gaining popularity, and many racers would be willing to travel to participate in a longer event. Look at the Quachita Challenge as an example, it sells out in less than a day, and brings in racers fron thruout the reigon. Texas has an entire series devoted to these long format races.

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    Cooldaddy/sbsbiker,

    Thanks for the input on the endurance info. If we can get additional ranges opened up for the event, I don't see any issues with the endurance race/ride. Would you suggest a separate course for the endurance, or use one course with multiple laps?

    Concerning last year's course, aside from the short distance, were the hills adequate? Or do we need to input more switchbacks with fewer straights? Where is a good course to view and get some pointers for developing a good challenging course?

    We'll continue to keep you updated.

    Shane

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    MORE SWITCHBACKS!!!!!!!!!!!

    Hike a bike stinks imho.

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    I would put together a good 17-20 mile lap that everyone does as the "hills" race and make endurance riders do it twice. Start the two lappers ahead of the one lappers by about 30 min. turn the two lappers back around near the finish for lap two. One good course would be easy to mark, a simple sign turning racers is all that's needed. Keeping the singletrack quality is more important than distance. 40 miles on two track is not what I have in mind. I liked the '07 event's 17 miles, and something like that done twice would be a great test of ability, and endurance. One lap of that took me just under two hours, two laps would be around four for the leaders, and 4-5+ for most.

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    Guys,

    I appreciate the input. We've got a planning session scheduled for Wednesday, 12 Aug 09. We'll definitely discuss these suggestions and look at the possibilities. I appreciate it.

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    Alright Guys,

    Below is the info that was discussed during the planning session for the 2010 Hills of Hell:

    A. Two Day Event (Sat, 6 Mar 09 and Sun, 7 Mar 09)

    B. Moving the Road Race to Saturday

    C. Offering a Bicycle Poker Run (Start and End at LETRA) All five stops would be located on Fort Sill. Offer chances for instant winner prizes, Best Hand and other awards. (Certainly open to other suggestions)

    D. Food -

    (Saturday) Looking at Beer and Pizza on Saturday as has been done in the past (Anticipating having the beer and pizza (or Hot Dogs) at the conclusion of the Poker
    Run.

    (Sunday) - Anticipating coffee and doughnuts in the morning prior to start of actual Hills of Hell event. Following the Hills of Hell event, there will be burgers and fixins (for free) Available while supplies last. Our BOSS program will be selling drinks.

    E. Awards - Will be 5 year age groups broken. I.e., 15 - 19; 20 - 24; 25 - 29; etc. Overall Male and Female Winner will receive separate award.

    F. Timing - Will continue with timing chips as done in 2009.

    G. Extending of course - We are certainly going to lengthen the course. It will be at least 15 - 17 miles. The suggestions of making/developing an endurance type course are great and we feel there is high probability this will happen. What we're discussing is this:

    1. Providing a course that extends much farther west and north (to refuge boundary fence). This may provide a sizable flat area between "mountains". This is dependent upon approval from range control. We are currently working this issue.

    2. Making the existing course longer with additional switchbacks and have participants complete two laps. One question with this option: Would the "two lappers" want split times for the event? If so, that raises logistical questions with the timing company that must be determined.

    3. Including "hardball" (road) in the course and how much?

    H. Locations where event info will be posted:

    Currently, general info is posted at www.sillmwr.com. Click on the Special Events Tab clear to the upper right hand corner.

    Will certainly continue with mtbr.com forum

    Looking to get on the Oklahoma Earth Bike site

    Also looking to get advertising into a couple of magazines.

    That's it for now. Any questions, comments, keep us posted.

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    There's usually quite a few people from the Wichita and South Central Kansas area that go down for this. Maybe provide an on-line flier that we can print and post in local bike shops.

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    Marty,

    Thanks for the heads up on the flier. We're working on a couple of ideas as we speak.

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    Guys,

    Just a heads up. Concerning the course, we've been looking a preliminary potential course routes for the Hills of Hell 2010. Certainly, we're looking to improve the course in the typical area between LETRA and Engineer Lake. These improvements would increase the length of the course to 14 - 17 miles.

    Additionally, we are anticipating receiving permission to expand into other training areas that would allow us to extend the course west to the boundary line of the Wildlife Refuge. This area would be west of Engineer Lake and also include Ketch Lake. This potential course would provide a course length between 25 and 30 miles.

    If you guys have any questions, comments, or suggestions; let us know. We'll keep working at providing information to you guys.

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    25-30 Miles of Hell would be way too much for the average rider imho. The 14-17 idea with the Cat 1 guys doing two laps seems like a better idea to me. I think you could make more people happy that way.

    Thanks for all the heads ups.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoomingSooner
    25-30 Miles of Hell would be way too much for the average rider imho. The 14-17 idea with the Cat 1 guys doing two laps seems like a better idea to me. I think you could make more people happy that way.

    Thanks for all the heads ups.
    I couldn't agree more on this.

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    Hello,

    It's been awhile. Just want to give all a heads up. Course maps for the Road Course and the Mountain Course are available for view at www.mapmyride.com. They are listed under Hills of Hell. If you have any trouble viewing them, please let me know. Concerning the Road Course, it is exactly that. Previously, we had discussed a "poker run" type of road course. Due to some issues, that has been scratched. Concerning the Mountain Course, currently, it is approx 22 miles. If we are unable to utilize an extra training area, we will still have a course that is at least 17 miles.

    We are looking to have registration up and running by 1 Dec 09 and believe we will have the registration process as clear as can be. If you have any questions, let me know.

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    Couple of questions. Is there going to be a 'marathon' race? Are the Cat 1 doing two laps, or just one with everyone else? It'll be hard to determine the overall male and female winners if the fastest people racing are pacing for twice the distance and are thus riding slower to pace. Is it going to be mass start again? Are the fliers up yet? I'll print one off to put up in the shop I work at.

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    I'll sign up for two laps, one 22 mile lap is just not enough.

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    The Hills of Hell Bike Event is scheduled for 6 & 7 March 2010 at Lake Elmer Thomas Recreation Area (LETRA) on Fort Sill. We are splitting the Road Race from the Mountain Bike Event. The Road Race will be conducted on Saturday, 6 March 2010. This is a 22 Mile course on asphalt roads with the start/finish area at the LETRA Lodge. There will be pizza and beer available (while supplies last) following the event.

    The Mountain Bike Event will be conducted on Sunday, 7 March 2010, beginning at 1100. There will be burgers and fixin's available (while supplies last) following the Mountain event. Soft Drinks will be available for purchase from our BOSS Program. The Mountain Course distance will be 17 - 20 miles in length with a possibility of an additional 3 miles, dependent upon the availability of additional training ranges.

    We will have electronic timing for the Hills of Hell Mountain Bike Event on Sunday, however, we will utilize our timing system for the Road Course on Saturday.

    Concerning registration, we'll have registration up and running on Tuesday, 15 Dec 09. Registration is available through the Fort Sill MWR website at www.sillmwr.com. The event courses are available for review at www.mapmyride.com.

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    Ready to spread flyers to my my local cycling crew, a few work cohorts, and some of the finer bike shops.....where is the printable flyer .pdf loacated? anyone

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    Exactly, we have to have flyers out there to have a good turnout.

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    Thanks for the inquiry folks concerning the .pdf flyers. I'm working on getting that squared away. Anticipate having the flyer available for print at the registration link, www.sillmwr.com.

    In the meantime, just send me your email and I'll reply with a printable flyer.

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    register?

    your registration page is not working? when i click "calculate" it just goes back to the main page? I tried it several times with the same results. Why is "company" and "title" required?

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    Wiruth,

    Thanks for the heads up on the registration page. We're attempting to rundown the glitch as we speak. Concerning company and title, you only need to put in a character for the company, for Title, input Mr./Ms./Mrs.

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    The glitch with online registration has been corrected. Appreciate the information alerting us.

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    Is this something an in shape beginner could handle, or is it pretty much for the experienced athlete?

    edit: read this on your webpage "definitely not for beginners"
    thanks anyway, i'll find a place for beginners and come next year
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    Rojogonzo,

    Thanks for the inquiry. This event is open for all levels. We have several beginners participate in years past. We've even had unicyclists participate and finish in the middle of the pack. If this is something that would interest you, I highly encourage you to participate. If you have other questions, or concerns, contact me at shane.dunlevy@us.army.mil, or at 580-704-9380.

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    My Two Cents...

    For what it's worth, I agree completely with BoomingSooner and Agave802003 concerning having the availability of more endurance races. The popularity of 3/6/12/24 hour races is growing tremendously. Being from Tulsa, I go up to Missouri and over to Arkansas to participate in their endurance events. It seems too easy to just offer the option of running two laps on the 17-20 mile course. Or, format it like many other promoters are doing, run it as a 3 or 6 hour event. Again, just my two cents worth..

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    The registration page isn't working, when I click "Yes" it opens a charge payment window, but when I start to enter any charge information it resets to the main page. Tried it again and it reset before I could even start to enter any charge info.

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    Shane,

    I'm stationed at Sill and wanted to get a look at the course before deciding to enter. I checked MapMyRide, but couldn't find anything related to the event. Is there a way to maybe get it posted to the SILL MWR page?

    Thanks,

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    still happening?

    Is the race still happening? I went to see if the registration problems are corrected and don't see a registration link at all now? I would like to go but need to make plans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wiruth
    Is the race still happening? I went to see if the registration problems are corrected and don't see a registration link at all now? I would like to go but need to make plans.
    Here's the link to the registration page. As far as I know, it's still on, but I personally want to see what I'd be getting into since this would be my first race. I can't find the map anywhere. I'm going to call MWR and see if I can get one when I'm on-post, if so I'll confirm it's still on and post it here.

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    found it.

    Its not on the original web page that i had bookmarked for the race. It is on the Fort Sill FMWR main page........

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    Where are we on a total distance? thanks and looking forward to it. We have a crew coming down including 2 new racers.
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    map

    Has any one seen a map of the mtb course? I would like to see how much will be rideable.

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    I stopped by MWR Sports today. The race IS still on! Total distance for the MTB course is just over 22 miles. I've attached the maps of both the road and MTB courses as best I could. The files they sent were huge! The east side of the MTB map in particular is a bit busy.

    In case you also care about the road course. (Why? ) Where the route turns south on the NE corner at Tower 2 Road may not be open. If not, they said they are planning an out and back using the rest of the course.

    I'm going to try and get out this weekend to see what the course looks like since this would be my first race and the first on this course. I wasn't able to find out if it's even marked yet. (Doubt it for some reason.) If I do, I'll post what I discover.

    The registration link is, http://www.sillmwr.com/HillsRegistration_10.html I don't believe they are doing race day registration. Registration closes on the 4th.

    Hope this helps!

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    Map

    Here's the link to the mtb course,
    http://www.mapmyride.com/run/united-...25684840145315

    Very interesting map of where the course goes. I would suggest someone pre-ride the course and make a report.

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    In years past there have been awards for single speed racers, but there isn't an official group. This has caused confusion during the awards ceremony, leaving the racers to dictate who came in before who, using only honest judgement. Is there a way to create a single speed catagory and less confusion?

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    Can someone describe the MTB trail (or at least the previous years course)?

    Is it a "Must do in your life because it is amazing" kind of trail?

    Or "you will remember it all your life because it is so steep you will walk most of it"?

    How does it compare to the OC Challenge for example (I know, it is much longer..., but it is a very nice trail, worth the suffering IMHO).

    Trying to decide if worth the drive from Dallas.

    Thanks!

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    The HOH is something you need to do for yourself at least once. The challenge of it is what makes it fun. Last year, I was a mtb noob (riding for 6 months before the race) and 8.5 miles was brutal for me.

    Since, I have done a 26 mile day at the Womble and have another year under my belt. This course typically is not made for bikes, it is made to march grunts up and down getting them ready for war. There are bike specific parts of the trail, but the hills are where the course garners its reputation. They are mostly shale (so grip is questionable) and wide enough to take a jeep up and down with cacti on the sides.

    If you want a great trail, go to the Womble...if you want a great test come to Lawton.
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    Worth the drive. Trail is challenging, will be a real gut check at 22 miles. All of us complaining about the short course last year probably won't be physically able to complain this year. Give it a shot.

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    ALCON:

    Just want to clear up a nasty rumor:

    There will be "Day Of" registration. Entry fee will increase $5.

    Look forward to seeing you all at the event.

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    Pre-road the 2010 course and can say MWR has for sure shut down any complaints on length or toughness. This is just an opinion on my part and by no means am I particularly correct but for what its worth this is the toughest course I've seen since I started riding these in 2001. Its not the climbs but the new stuff that seems to have recently been cut out near Engineer Pond/Lake. Its 5-ish miles of riding through wet grass on top of soft top soil. Put grass on a beach and you get the idea. Its mind numbingly brutal and relentless. If I had to bet I'd put money on several folks hike-a-biking a lot of this section especially after a couple hundred have already ridden through. It is a relief to get back to the climbs on the rocky stuff once you are done in this section. Everything else is excellent Ft. Sill riding and although I personally hated the new stuff, the rocky ups and downs were still worth the suffering. The course is marked fairly well be we did get off track a couple times as the trail crosses over itself multiple times. There are several stream/ditch crossings (a lot) that could be dangerous at speed so keep your eyes open and look ahead if you haven't preridden. There is one section of tank trail that was still flooded on Saturday that was more than bottom bracket deep with mud. The bike quickly packed up with freshly cut grass shortly after and going fast enough to clear the tires wasn't happening in the soft ground. I was stationed on Ft. Sill for 4 years and know this particular training area well. I don't see it drying out much even if the sun were out all week in the 60's. If they get any precip this week it'll be suck factor 11 on a scale of 10. Be prepared to suffer regardless. Overall its an outstanding job by MWR to answer the complaints of last year but think it was done without much thought on where the trail was going. The 2010 course is extreme opposite of last year. Overall its Ft. Sill and its always tough and you can't beat it. Don't expect much fun once you get out to Engineer but before and after is smiles-through-pain as always. Other than that; enjoy! For what its worth we miss the punch bowl at the finish. Nothing like a kick in the gut a 1/2 mile from the finish just to let you know your done. Maybe next year.

    Hey Mudd; for what its worth we miss ya running this thing.

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