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    Garmin 305 & Garmin 60 CSx

    A few questions to the team whom know.

    I am wanting to get a GPS, have done for sometime now for my mtb riding. I seem odd, I am not interested in speed, cadence etc. Track this on my roadie riding, but not mtb.

    So basically I would like to be able to track my rides and the trails I ride to download to my laptop etc.

    I also really want to put the unit in my Camalbak, dont need it to be attached to the bars. Still wish to keep the weight down to a minimum if I can...

    Your thoughts would be hugely appreciated.

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    hey Fenton!

    As you know I have the 60CSx and I just leave it in the "mesh" on my Camelbak... I haven't tried putting it "completely inside" but in the mesh it is safe enough and reception is excellent.

    The 305 is really small and light but you have to remember to charge it or rig an external battery pack for longer trip without energy. Also it has no maps or nice color screen

    I think you should also consider the new Vista HCx series.... it seems to be the best of both words... I used to have a Legend C (same casing as a Vista) and I loved the size and the AA battery use, but reception wasn't that good, therefore I went for the 60 CSx with the Sirf chip. The new HCx seems to have closed the reception gap (exact chip is still unknown AFAIK, but says it is much improved)

    I prefer the 60 or Vista series to the Edge because of the ability to load maps (also useful when in an unknown city since I know you travel a lot )
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    Hola Cris

    Thanks for your reply like normal.... The new Vista series looks good.

    Need to make a comparison with the 60 CSx vrs the Vista.. The Vista is slightly smaller.

    Geoman - What are your thoughts on the new Vista series. I am going to make a decision then will purchase from your site. Which is great too.

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    no prob

    the new Vista HCx seems to have most (if not all) the features that one could want from the 60 series in a smaller package.... the thing is that there is very little info out there so far...

    maybe geoman has some "insider info"

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    Hope Geoman does, want to get one while I am here in the US of A.............Did somemore research on the Garmin site, the Vista looks the ducks nuts....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whafe
    Hope Geoman does, want to get one while I am here in the US of A.............Did somemore research on the Garmin site, the Vista looks the ducks nuts....
    ah.. then go for the 60 now.. the HCx won't be available until fall.... the only "disadvantage" is the 60's size.... but controls are a bit easier to use (more bottons, less function overload to the buttons)... get the 60CSx now and be very happy

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    The Edge 305 is excellent for recording data, and analyzing it after the ride, but it is not really a navigation tool. I love the Edge and have no plans to ditch it, but like you I am in the market for a nice mapping hand held. If the new Vista has reception anywhere as good as the Edge I will be all over it. I just wish more details were available, and the unit was out already!
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    The 60 is larger, has more buttons, and has a larger screen than the etrex lineup. It also has an external antenna port, both serial AND usb ports, and different software.

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    Sorry I missed this thread. The ETA on the HCx is late July at best... So, your choice is the 60CSx (not a bad option!), IMHO.

    BTW, we're shipping a 60CSx via overnight to Whafe today. I think he'll love it! I love mine! Here's my max-explorer setup...

    Enjoy!

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    cool GeoMan... glad to know you hooked Whafe up! I am sure he will love the 60CSx

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    Thanks Cris & thanks Geoman, no pun, but you are the man...

    Team, called up Geoman, spoke re GPS's etc and boom, one is on its way to me in Sedona at the B&B I am staying at.

    I am happy to go with the 60CSx, the new Vista is not available till the fall (USA seasons). The Vista looks slightly smaller, less buttons, but with no external antenna, the reception may not be as good as the 60CSx....

    Anyways, I am happier than a pig in shiat..... Love really helpful people, friendly and spanking good service....

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    Geoman, the unit arrived today, great stuff. HUGELY appreciate this.

    Have set it up etc, will use it in the morning.... I cant believe how light it is, I expected it to be heavier, very cool..

    Going to enjoy this toy..

    Thanks again...
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    That's what we like to hear!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whafe
    Geoman, the unit arrived today, great stuff. HUGELY appreciate this.

    Have set it up etc, will use it in the morning.... I cant believe how light it is, I expected it to be heavier, very cool..

    Going to enjoy this toy..

    Thanks again...
    sweet!

    you'll have a lot of fun

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    I have the 60cx and use it for tracking rides, canoe tripping, and road trips.
    I have the Topo Canada maps software & also CityNavigator North America. Works great. I fits nicely into one of those small under-the-seat pouches for mtb rides.

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    Good choice, Whafe. You're going to love that thing. The dash mount and lighter adaptor (as in BlackCanoeDog's post above) are must-haves, plus routing maps. I hardly ever leave the house without my 60CSx anymore. My wife correspondingly makes fun of me incessantly. 'Course, there may well be something to that, but I've not gotten lost in a while.

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    Much,much better than having the wife play navigator :-D

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackCanoeDog
    Much,much better than having the wife play navigator :-D
    Yeah, good luck trying to argue that point with her, though.

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    Yep, I used it today, worked a treat. I changed the setting to get a plot point more often. Have down loaded the saved file to the program on the laptop. All good. Cool to view it and save it...

    I have a Tom Tom for the car, which is real useful. No argueing for directions. But this wil be sweet too, way lighter and easier to carry than the tomtom....

    Was stoked to order and get it the next day, I am terrible at waiting..... I learnt the art of waiting, especially waiting for a Nicolai for 7 months (LOL) that learns you.... SO again Geoman, you true champ...
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    BCD - slighty off topic but what is that road sign???
    Nothing to see here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SSINGA
    BCD - slighty off topic but what is that road sign???

    come on, SS... that's a "bike riding deer on the road" sign... obviously

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    Quote Originally Posted by crisillo
    come on, SS... that's a "bike riding deer on the road" sign... obviously
    WOW! they have some talented deer in Canada.
    Nothing to see here.

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    "And" must be implied? Bike and deer crossing is my guess, but the bike riding deer crossing is interesting!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SSINGA
    BCD - slighty off topic but what is that road sign???
    Go here to find out ;-D
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    Quote Originally Posted by crisillo
    come on, SS... that's a "bike riding deer on the road" sign... obviously
    That's pretty funny. And actually looks like it. I'm assuming it's a sign to show one to be careful for deer AND bikers. Should have separated it though.

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    What is the difference between the GPSMAP 60 CSx and the GPSMAP 60Cx? Also, is there much of an advantage over the GPSMAP 60 vice the CSx or Cx?
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    C = color

    S = SiRF

    x = altimeter/compass

    I think


    You REALLY, really, really want the SiRF chip. Makes a massive amount of difference to the unit's ability to get a fix. Without it, you will struggle under trees or in built up areas. With it you can get a fix in your dining room so long as you can see a couple of windows.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pinkheadedbug
    C = color

    S = SiRF

    x = altimeter/compass

    I think


    You REALLY, really, really want the SiRF chip. Makes a massive amount of difference to the unit's ability to get a fix. Without it, you will struggle under trees or in built up areas. With it you can get a fix in your dining room so long as you can see a couple of windows.
    No exactly AFAIK.

    the Cx also has the Sirf chip... the main differences between the Cx and the CSx is the electronic compass and barometer in the CSx...

    the 60 series (without X) don't have the Sirf chip and don't have a color screen
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    Quote Originally Posted by pinkheadedbug
    C = color

    S = SiRF

    x = altimeter/compass

    I think


    You REALLY, really, really want the SiRF chip. Makes a massive amount of difference to the unit's ability to get a fix. Without it, you will struggle under trees or in built up areas. With it you can get a fix in your dining room so long as you can see a couple of windows.
    That's good to know. I just bought SIRF stock.

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    What is the difference between the GPSMAP 60 CSx and the GPSMAP 60Cx? Also, is there much of an advantage over the GPSMAP 60 vice the CSx or Cx?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bucknbronc
    What is the difference between the GPSMAP 60 CSx and the GPSMAP 60Cx? Also, is there much of an advantage over the GPSMAP 60 vice the CSx or Cx?
    see my post above

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bucknbronc
    What is the difference between the GPSMAP 60 CSx and the GPSMAP 60Cx? Also, is there much of an advantage over the GPSMAP 60 vice the CSx or Cx?
    Did you just cut and paste your previous post?

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    Good job!

    i think the difference is also that you have the sdmini slot.

    I've just recived the 60csx and the edge to go along with my old faithfull vista yesterday from geoman...what can i say, it's really agreat feeling to be so well looked after, he called me after maybe 10 minutes after the order and i recived an usefull email with the user guide another with suggestion about the best site and gps programs and i recived in less than 24 h.
    the best shopping ever made!!!
    keep on the good work!!!! i'll be buying more from you!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ravensl
    i think the difference is also that you have the sdmini slot.


    yeah.. forgot about that.. the X models have the microSD slot (not only 60 series but the whole line up)
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    Not miniSD...Garmin uses MICRO SD (transflash) cards...the same ones that new cell phones are using.

    As far as Garmin's naming strategy goes, the S denotes barometric altimeter and electronic compass. The x indicates the removable memory chip. The 60/76 series DO NOT have an additional letter indicating high sensitivity processors like the new etrex line. This was a source of confusion when they were released, and it will always be a source of confusion as long as the products are on the market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NateHawk
    Not miniSD...Garmin uses MICRO SD (transflash) cards...the same ones that new cell phones are using.

    As far as Garmin's naming strategy goes, the S denotes barometric altimeter and electronic compass. The x indicates the removable memory chip. The 60/76 series DO NOT have an additional letter indicating high sensitivity processors like the new etrex line. This was a source of confusion when they were released, and it will always be a source of confusion as long as the products are on the market.
    absolutely right,. my bad... micro SD

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    I'm having a hard time making a decision on a bike GPS. I was thinking of ordering the Edge 305 with the cadence monitor, especially since there is that sweet rebate. Then I started looking at the ETrex Vista HCx. I already have a Garmin GPS for my car or for carrying around town, but it is not waterproof. Not real sure how much I will need road directions, because I am just getting back into riding after many years off, and not venturing to far from home. Will probably be doing some trail riding, and looking for data that shows how far I ride during the day, and altitude changes. I also have looked at the Garmin 60CSx, but I think that is more than I want to spend. Any suggestions?

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    The Vista HCx sounds like it just may be the ticket for you, although GeoMan's got the CSx for a crazy price right now.
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    I have a garmin edge 305 and a garmin eTrex vista.

    If I'm riding somewhere I know the 305 does an ace job of tracking where I have been and all the ride data analytics. I tend to upload the data to Sporttracks (http://www.zonefivesoftware.com/SportTracks/) which will plot my ride using Google maps. Then I can go "Look where I have been".

    If I'm exploring I either plot a route I have mapped on my PC using Memory map and use my eTrex to follow the route or I just take the eTrex with me.

    AND the best thing about taking the eTrex with me is that when I get totally lost it can plot the quickest route back home or the quickest route to a pub (the optional extra Mapsource data has a POI database.)

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    Looking at those other pictures, that place doesn't look quite right... and it's not just the sign...
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    Quote Originally Posted by scottyperkins
    The Vista HCx sounds like it just may be the ticket for you, although GeoMan's got the CSx for a crazy price right now.
    Thanks Scotty! Appreciate the mention. We've got the Vista HCx's too.

    The Vista HCx is going to end up being a great cycling companion. We've put together our Ultimate Navigating Bundle which we feel does everything and more and includes both the Edge 305 Bundle and the Vista HCx with a handlebar mount.
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