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    Combining courses

    I have all the usual tools: Topofusion Pro, Mapsource, Basecamp, Training Center and so far I've had no luck making my own master trails courses.
    Just to keep terminology straight, I'm using .TCX courses kept in the Training/Courses file location. Basically I just convert history to courses in Training Center and export to my PC then copy from the PC to Garmin\courses in my 605 for single courses.
    So I've used Topofusion to combine(make network) the tcx's and they work fine in the various PC programs but when copied to the 605 via hand or transfer they dont show up nor work(generally I get some middle east location).
    Any one have a working methodology to combine this stuff?
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    Looks like TCX Converter will basically do this but so far its not done well with slightly off tracks, so merging 3 courses can result is 3 adjacent lines...
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    Quote Originally Posted by crossup
    I have all the usual tools: Topofusion Pro, Mapsource, Basecamp, Training Center and so far I've had no luck making my own master trails courses.
    Just to keep terminology straight, I'm using .TCX courses kept in the Training/Courses file location. Basically I just convert history to courses in Training Center and export to my PC then copy from the PC to Garmin\courses in my 605 for single courses.
    So I've used Topofusion to combine(make network) the tcx's and they work fine in the various PC programs but when copied to the 605 via hand or transfer they dont show up nor work(generally I get some middle east location).
    Any one have a working methodology to combine this stuff?
    If I understand what you are asking, it cannot really be done, since a course is something you follow, start to end, based on the timestamps of the course. The time stamps of the combined courses make them impossible for the GPS to follow.

    I have made networks in TopoFusion and then displayed them on the map in my 705, but there is no way I can see to follow them as a course.
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    I kinda figured that, but all I'm looking to do is have the course lines show up on the map so I can see where the trails go and show where I am on them. I noticed that it will also warn you if you're significantly off the track.
    I'm using TCX because they are stand alone files unlike saved rides which is apparently a GPX that get appended as rides are added.
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    You cannot use .tcx and make a course. It will never work. .gpx files are just general gps data files that can be used for nearly everything, but getting them just to display as a background map takes a few more steps.

    http://www.gpsfiledepot.com/tutorials/
    Particularly, the "How to Create Garmin Topo Maps" series Parts 1, 8, and 9.

    You basically have to take that .gpx of your trail network and make a transparent .img out of it. Then you can load it into Mapsource and send it to your GPS to display as a background map for reference purposes.

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    maybe we are not using the same terminology which is why I specified what I'm using. I should also say I'm not trying for backround maps either...
    Also as stated its DOES work, at least as far as being displayed and showing your postition and doing off course warnings. I can probably clean up the multiple track by adjusting TCW Converter to a greater variance allowance for conversion. Or perhaps I can figure how to get my Topofusion combined tracks to work.
    My post was in hope of finding someone with a better solution...
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    Quote Originally Posted by crossup
    maybe we are not using the same terminology which is why I specified what I'm using. I should also say I'm not trying for backround maps either...
    Also as stated its DOES work, at least as far as being displayed and showing your postition and doing off course warnings. I can probably clean up the multiple track by adjusting TCW Converter to a greater variance allowance for conversion. Or perhaps I can figure how to get my Topofusion combined tracks to work.
    My post was in hope of finding someone with a better solution...
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    So I've used Topofusion to combine(make network) the tcx's and they work fine in the various PC programs but when copied to the 605 via hand or transfer they dont show up nor work(generally I get some middle east location).
    Won't work on your GPS. As slocaus stated, a course is ONLY going to work when you're going from A to B and following the path indicated by the course (may include doubling over on your previous path, but that must be included in the file). The network function from TF will not work the way you seem to want it to work.

    The network output must be used differently than .tcx and course files. I gave you a method by which you can use the network output.

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    I can see how Topofusions stuff might not work but as stated when combined using TCX Converter, it does work or at least if its not working completely I've not found a failure mode yet.
    I'll try to remake a combined file tonite using a 20m waypoint position error allowance instead of the 10m I used should fix the repeat trails
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    Please do keep us informed on this. I have not tried this to the extent that you are doing, and I have limited experience with TCX Converter, so any new accomplishments are welcome, even if I remain skeptical.
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    i tried to upload a valid tcx file to gpsvisualizer, a reputable website. this is what they said

    Invalid Garmin .tcx file
    Something went wrong when GPS Visualizer tried to read your Garmin TCX file. Usually this is because the file itself is corrupted.

    Background information: TCX is an XML-based format, meaning it consists of nested "tags," similar to HTML. If a tag is opened but not closed, GPS Visualizer's XML parser simply cannot read it. Un-closed tags are inevitable when a file gets mangled somehow.

    Apparently, some versions of Garmin's Training Center are buggy, because many .tcx files have been uploaded to GPS Visualizer lately with random chunks of data missing. The only suggestion I have is to complain to Garmin, and send them copies of your faulty .tcx files.

    Meanwhile, if you're good with a text editor, you can try to repair your broken files by hand. You can use an on-line XML validator to locate the problem in your file (use the section labeled "Syntax-Check Your XML"). If your file checks out OK according to the validator, though, let me know and I'll look into it.



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    i don't know how many trails you have, but if this was my project i would start thinkng about weigh points

    at the end of the day, you may want to share you're work w/other folks that don't use gamin's proprietary .tcx format.

    here in nj nj/ny trail conf have listed there lenapie trails using weigh points
    i put it into my every trail acct
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    Quote Originally Posted by jkmacman
    i tried to upload a valid tcx file to gpsvisualizer, a reputable website. this is what they said
    That has nothing to do with this thread, and is utterly meaningless all by itself. What are you smoking when you post that drivel?
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    I'm not familiar with the 605 (or with the Edge series, in general), but threads like this one make me think that uploading .GPX files onto the 605 is an already-resolved issue. (It seems to revolve around placing the files into a "GPX" folder on the device. You can read the rest for yourself in that thread...)

    Once you have the capability of using .GPX files, what you're trying to do is trivial. To create the .GPX file to upload, you can use the "Make Network" feature of TopoFusion, like you already stated you've tried. My preferred method is actually another application called ExpertGPS. It's a bit more flexible when it comes to "advanced" .GPX file editing like this, when one .GPX file may contain multiple tracks, routes, waypoints, etc., all together. (It seems to me that many features of TopoFusion, by contrast, are designed around an assumption that each .GPX file will contain only a single track.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by erginguney
    I'm not familiar with the 605 (or with the Edge series, in general), but threads like this one make me think that uploading .GPX files onto the 605 is an already-resolved issue. (It seems to revolve around placing the files into a "GPX" folder on the device. You can read the rest for yourself in that thread...)

    Once you have the capability of using .GPX files, what you're trying to do is trivial. To create the .GPX file to upload, you can use the "Make Network" feature of TopoFusion, like you already stated you've tried. My preferred method is actually another application called ExpertGPS. It's a bit more flexible when it comes to "advanced" .GPX file editing like this, when one .GPX file may contain multiple tracks, routes, waypoints, etc., all together. (It seems to me that many features of TopoFusion, by contrast, are designed around an assumption that each .GPX file will contain only a single track.)
    the edge you don't copy stuff to a folder, you need to use garmin training center software to load tracks on to your device. you can off load tracks via GARMIN CONNECT.

    (generally I get some middle east location).
    Any one have a working methodology to combine this stuff?
    it sounds like the minus sign got dropped. out here in jersey many folks often omit the minus sign before their longtitude and the results land you in Kyrgyzstan

    i made reference to gps visualizer and my valid .tcx file to illustrate that '.tcx' format itself can be problematic. i myself long since abanded it
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    Quote Originally Posted by jkmacman
    the edge you don't copy stuff to a folder, you need to use garmin training center software to load tracks on to your device.
    Baloney, I do it all the time, GPS and TCX files to Courses for GPX folder depending on how I want the course to run, with or without turn by turn directions., as a Course or Navigation.

    I've never used GPS visualizer and never seen mention of it in the Garmin Forums where some very bright people have some great hints and analysis of Garmin usage. TCS Converter is a strong tool.
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    sorry JK but your info is bogus- edge files are nothing special just regular stuff windows explorer handles just fine no special software needed. Pretty much the only one you cant directly manipulate is the
    temp.gpx which is actually the "Saved Rides" file and AFAIK its just a bunch of gpx's strung together. So you can copy, delete and replace temp.gpx but you need a "tool" to edit it if you want to modify a particular saved ride.
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    I have an out dated edge the 305. I also have a garmin foreunner. I haven't given up on garmin as I may eventually get a 500. For my. Map needs I used droid and delorme a reputable map publishing company. Garmin makes nice devices. Mapmaker I dunno
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    Quote Originally Posted by jkmacman
    I have an out dated edge the 305. I also have a garmin foreunner. I haven't given up on garmin as I may eventually get a 500. For my. Map needs I used droid and delorme a reputable map publishing company. Garmin makes nice devices. Mapmaker I dunno
    again, not relevant to anything.

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    rode two of my combined courses this weekend and they worked great. No problem with repeat tracks(duplicates made during combining), it just showed us on one. Got proper off course and course found indications. Also found the history from the ride is named the same as the course.
    So all I need to do is make better courses and it will be perfect.
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