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    Why no love and heaps of hate for Giant bikes?

    It seems to me that there is heaps of haters and bike snobs that look down on the great Giant brand.
    I live in Australia and Giant's are very popular here, but even on our bike forums many people all bar the Giant bike owners themselves are jumping on the bandwagon payin out on Giants n their owners, its like Giant shooting season, not to mention the bit of Giant snobbery that goes on on this site..
    Im the proud owner of a Reign and an STP, both bikes are awesome bikes for what i paid for them, actually regardless of what i paid for them they are fine bikes..
    When looking for an all mountain bike i gave myself a limit of $2,500 and the reign fit the bill and is a great bike and imo beats plenty of bikes above it in its class n price range, its a top steed, so is my trusty STP that lasted me years of dirt jumpin n razzin round, For $1000 many years ago its been a damn fine bike n stood up to some serious abuse, and both are two fine bang for buck bikes..

    Im thinking there are plenty of bike snobs around these days, that think that any bike thats not worth 5k is a s**t bike, i think a few of these guys are 'brand groupies''.

    Who cares if Giants are thick on the ground, its because they are great value for money bikes that are well built n great quality, it speaks volumes for the company that so many are around imo.

    Anybody have an opinion on this Giant hate? Or theories behind it?

    Im writing this to check out your opinions here in the Giant forum, which i understand will be a bit bias towards Giants cause we all have them, but i will be putting a similar thread up soon out on the open forum to see the general thoughts of the wider community if i could be bothered lol

    cheers n thanks for reading, looking forward to hearing your thoughts.......
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    Your right!
    Here in NZ, I have heard people dis Giant bikes for no good reason, bar brand snobbery or they are not 5k bikes etc.I guess if I am honest, I was in that tribe once but have since learned just to enjoy the ride of a great bike.
    The Anthem 29er is a bike I rode recently, that shot the ball out of the park, for the quality of the ride, compared to most other 29ers I have ridden, regardless of price point!
    Anyway you have raised a very valid point.
    I fear the better Giant build their bikes and continue to provide amazing value for money, the more they will sell, so things may not change in a hurry!
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    i just find it interesting some peoples mentalities, they will never effect the way i feel about Giants, i love em (bar a few dodgy paint jobs n graphic designs lol) they are such good value bikes ant the geometry and Maestro system on their full suss is imo the best suspension design on the market.

    I sort of see Giants as the Toyota Land cruisers of the bike world, tough, well made, thick on the ground for a reason, because they are bloody great bikes at a great value...

    stuff the bike snobs, i'll give em a ride off on my Reign any day n give em a good run for their money..
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    I recommend Giant a lot to racers, and in fact my husband and I were seriously considering the new Anthem Advanced 29ers. However we discovered that we could get a deal on the Jet 9 RDO using some team discounts on parts, buy the frames and build them up completely custom, for about the same or a little less than buying the Anthem X Advanced 29ers at full retail + tax.

    I've spent the past five seasons on a Maestro bike and love the geometry, handling and value. If we still had a Giant team deal there would be absolutely no questions asked. If we were on a tighter budget, there would also be no questions asked, we'd opt for the Giant.

    The RDO has a very similar feel suspension wise but pedalled just a bit "tighter" on the climbs, and with the option to do a full boutique custom parts spec, we discovered we could build them out lighter & tricker from the get go (we both vastly prefer twist shifters, so that's something we'd have had to immediately change/upgrade on the Anthems fwiw). Otherwise there's no observed difference in weight / handling after fiddling with suspension settings, and this is after extensive demos (all day rides for multiple days) on both.

    So yes, if you don't have $5K to drop on a boutique build, the Giants absolutely make sense. I think there is a brand of bike snobbery here that dismisses Giants as "common", it's the same thing I used to see in the US road racing scene in the late 90s/early 2000s where every Cat 3 crit racer was on a midrange TCR; it's because they were reliable, affordable, came with ideal OEM specs, and worked very well for the masses, but the same reasoning (affordability, ubiquitousness) seemed to create a lot of contempt for the brand.
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    Its like everything now a days in the image conscious society that has been developed via marketing and internet - I have far too often been part of it myself. That said I own an Anthem X29 - and it is far and away the BEST bike I've owned, and paid far less than my previous boutique bike - I've become a better rider for it and it's exceeded my expectations for all it does well. Now - do I start to drool a bit when I see the new $6k boutique carbon 650's and 29ers being announced? heck yes! Do I want one? oh yeah! Will I buy one?? Nope - unless I can find a pro-deal hookup it is highly unlikely. Just too much high value in Giant (and some others) and no doubt the Maestro is a dialed in rear sus - while I believe my next bike will be the TranceX29 - again - find that value and build elsewhere (the x1 with a few tasty upgrades). But it will come down to the ride! I have a budget - and fortunately companies like Giant can offer a whole lot to meet many different budgets. Besides - its not about the bike - its whats on top - lol! While a bit cheeky of a comment - I watched a guy in street shoes on a 10 yr old piece of crap bike outride a handful of snobs on their $6k rides recently - it was awesome -

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    Just don't worry about other people and be smug that you have more practical values. I am new to mtbing and got a giant trance because it had been reviewed consistently well, was affordable (comparatively) and was locally available.
    If it got me out mountain biking, big ups for giant I say.
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    Our lives in general, there are always going to be the kind of people that look down on the budget minded. And like what Genetic_Drift said, it just makes me question those persons morals and practical values. I currently own a full suspension Motobecan. And you will also notice the hate towards that brand as well. But I chose something that fit my budget, and for the type of riding I do, it fit me well. And I got one heck of a deal. Now I feel that my skills have outgrown the Moto. And am seriously thinking of either the Reign or Reign X as my next do it all bike. Personally I don't let those kind of people bother me, but just to love what you ride and to have fun with it.

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    Just bought myself a new old stock reign X2 from my lbs. I've been out of the loop of whats current in the mtb scene for a long while as my last bike purchase was an orange X2 full suspension back in 1997, still have it. Maybe Giant are too much the Ford of the MTB world for the bike tarts but I'm loving mine...1 down

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    I bought a XTC2 29er this spring and it's my first Giant and first 29er, I hopped on the bike day one in the trail and I felt like I had ridden this bike all my life. That speaks all to well for the geo, it just felt right. The bike was 1400 bucks and my buddy still can't catch me on his super exspensive carbon dream.

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    People hate them because they're the working mans bike plus the ugly color schemes that they use from time to time doesn't help.

    I'm on my 3rd Giant and only have good things to say about my current (Talon 1) and former rides (NRS and Reign X).

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    I'm just replying "your fancy bike" is most likely build by Giant.

    I simply love my AX29 and Maestro. For 500 bucks more I could have bought lower specs bike with one kg more. I mean less than 12kg, full XT, Avid 9 (ok I would prefer XT, but still excelent brakes breaks) and great handling ... all out of the box?

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    You are correct...

    Its true that Giant seems to get more bike snobbery attention than most. Ignorance I would assume... Those who dont know any better were probably just told that their expensive boutique bikes are much better, but not based on any facts. Giant offers one of the best values in the industry and that likely attracts some snobbish attention I would think...
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    Eh, my "budget" trance x4 now costs more than most people's boutique bike and probably their cars too.

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    I love my Giant. I go everywhere everyone else does with it. They are usually behind me too.

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    Funny how the world is. Around here Giant bikes are somewhat exclusive. Apart from mines I cant count with my hand fingers how many Giants I've seen in a decade out of a shop.

    Specialized has been and is the trend around here. You can't just imagine how many Specialized bikes are around. Scott was kind of a fad, Trek is slowly returning after a couple of years nowhere to be seen. Boutique bikes here are almost limited to Ibis and Santa Cruz. There are some others around, but they are even rarer.

    Giant bikes, people just don't buy them and I don't figure why. Nothing to do with price assistance as far as I know. Some areas do seem to sell some more but nothing compared. One shop I know had the Giant line up for these last two year and now they've replaced it for Trek.

    In a way this doesn't bother me. It means I've got an exclusive bike, not as seen as others! And I like it!

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    Same reason as everything else in life... Penis envy.
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    Giant is the largest MFG of bikes worldwide.
    It's always easy to target a "Giant".

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    Also in Oz.
    My mate (who was from colorado but living in Oz now) jokingly called my 2012 Anthem X0 29er "the Toyota Corolla of mountainbikes"... But at the same time he heaped praise on it.

    Out on the trails I would actually say i've only had positive interest in the bike.

    This is my first Giant, so not brand-proud etc.
    Still amazed at the performance that's crammed into this bike for the money I payed.

    Anyhow, who cares what other people think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by purdyboy View Post
    Also in Oz.
    "the Toyota Corolla of mountainbikes"...
    Toyota Corolla?! Toyota 86 or Lexus LFA maybe. What does he rides?!

    And by the way on bikes, engines are actually out of the chassis...
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    Quote Originally Posted by purdyboy View Post
    "the Toyota Corolla of mountainbikes"...
    High praise indeed then .

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    I have had more Giant FS bikes than I care to remember, I have been on Niners for about 3 years, Current bike is a Jet9 RDO.

    I rate Giant very high, & If I wasn't on a Niner it would be Giant i would be going back to.

    The Anthem X29 I did a bit of miles on was a much nicer bike than the Tallboy carbon that I owned IMO.

    For the price point Giant is well up on many makes.
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    Hey Tone's, good thread. I ride a Giant XTC 29er and agree Giant do the best Bang for Buck bikes. Coming up 2 years now and it has has alot of use and stood up bloody well.

    Don't think I've come accross too much bike "snobbery" as such, although not to say there is certainly an element of aloofness (bet I've spelt that wrong). Me an my mates will rock up in our family wagons and happily park next to some dude in his Audi Q7 or Porsche Cayenne with their 7k carbon fibre rocket bikes. At least they are there and riding and for the most part have found they are quite happy to chat and discuss the track and what sort of day they've had. Just have to remember their poo stinks like every body elses and they put their trousers on one leg at a time just like the rest of us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dummyrunner View Post
    Hey Tone's, good thread. I ride a Giant XTC 29er and agree Giant do the best Bang for Buck bikes. Coming up 2 years now and it has has alot of use and stood up bloody well.

    Don't think I've come accross too much bike "snobbery" as such, although not to say there is certainly an element of aloofness (bet I've spelt that wrong). Me an my mates will rock up in our family wagons and happily park next to some dude in his Audi Q7 or Porsche Cayenne with their 7k carbon fibre rocket bikes. At least they are there and riding and for the most part have found they are quite happy to chat and discuss the track and what sort of day they've had. Just have to remember their poo stinks like every body elses and they put their trousers on one leg at a time just like the rest of us.
    To be honest it's the reverse snobbery that I see that I don't get.

    People with the big $$ bikes don't go around as much saying why are you ridding that ??

    But the people on the cheaper bikes just can't seam to just accept that someone rides a big dollar bike.
    It's all, he has more money than sence, it's not all about the bike, If he spent more time riding he would be much faster & stuff like that.

    The people I don't like riding with are the people that always turn up late or more often than not have a brake down & you have to stop & help them fix it & if they had spent 2 min checking there bike after last time they rode it they would have picked it up.

    But most of all other people don't care as much as we think they do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by muzzanic View Post
    To be honest it's the reverse snobbery that I see that I don't get.

    People with the big $$ bikes don't go around as much saying why are you ridding that ??

    But the people on the cheaper bikes just can't seam to just accept that someone rides a big dollar bike.
    It's all, he has more money than sence, it's not all about the bike, If he spent more time riding he would be much faster & stuff like that.

    The people I don't like riding with are the people that always turn up late or more often than not have a brake down & you have to stop & help them fix it & if they had spent 2 min checking there bike after last time they rode it they would have picked it up.

    But most of all other people don't care as much as we think they do.
    Good points. Tried to rep you but must have got you recently in one of the "rep ho" forums

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    Quote Originally Posted by muzzanic View Post
    To be honest it's the reverse snobbery that I see that I don't get.

    People with the big $$ bikes don't go around as much saying why are you ridding that ??

    But the people on the cheaper bikes just can't seam to just accept that someone rides a big dollar bike..
    Fortunately I haven't run into this problem yet, I used to get so many complements on my Tallboy almost every person I stopped to chat with on trail, would ask me about it. I really enjoyed giving my build breakdown and tips to everyone.

    When people saw me on my Canzo it was "Wow I thought Voodoo went outa business years ago..."

    When they see me on my Giant its "Why would you buy a Giant You must not have known there is a Speshy dealer literally right down the road "

    So I guess it depends a lot on where you live/ride
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    I don't see that snobby attitude here. I can count all the Giants I've seen on one hand so far on the trails. Most ride Specialized or Trek here. I rode everything I could before I bought my XTC2 and although the components were on the weak side, it rode nicer than the other bikes in it's class.

    The boutique bikes are way too expensive IMHO for what you get. Giant builds the best frames and they build frames for many others. I test rode the Scott's while testing my bike and they only had a 5 yr. warranty while Giant builds their frames. I thought that was pretty funny.

    One thing I really like is the Maestro suspension. I've tried the Tallboy and the Niner bikes and the Maestro suspension just seems nicer to me. I thought the Giant bikes pedalled better and I think they are a much better value overall.
    I'd save the thousands and buy the Giant AnthemX 29 or Trance X 29.
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    Haha I'm the opposite..

    Haha i usually "smug" the guy that went out and bought the most expensive bike he could because its "cool" and he "needs" it.. Some of the most sketchy riders i see are on 5k+ bikes haha.. Its kind of like people going out and buying a lambo to send the message im a badass with money. I have a '10 Rincon that i have customized and built and also a '12 reign 2 I'm doing the same to. And yes i didnt even spring for the reign 1 or x. I liked the black better, also i like putting components on it that I like and want!
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    I can honestly say no one has ever said anything bad about any bike I have owned, I have bought Norco, Cannondale and now a Giant, all have been good. My cannondale is 19 years old and still a 25 lbs XC bike and still has full warrranty on frame Hell even the head shock still works and has had zero work on it. For me I could care less what someone is riding or how good they are, you having fun? Thats all that counts, you dont need a 6000 dollar bike to have fun.

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    The only negative I can see is that there are lots of them. But to hammer them because they represent value???

    My gf and I have owned 9 or 10 Giants. Never a single issue. I HAVE had issues with the other brands I've dealth with; Trek and Specialized. Not bagging them, but thems are the facts.
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    Without giant, I wouldnt be in this sport. $1900 for a reign 2 with fox suspension front and rear. Yes, i know they are low end parts but 1900 is enough for a frame only if I go for other brands

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    The rider makes the bike. To be honest I use to be guilty of brand bashing myself. I would never say it to the person though. When I look at department store brand bikes I can't help feel bad for the rider. I too have had a department brand bike. So that I feel comes from previous experiance. When I seen others on expensive exotics, my first impression was rich or mommy/daddy paid for that. I know that's bad but thats what I use to think. Just like with giant I think most who never owned one are the ones bashing it. I never liked Chevy but loved Ford. I drove a Ford truck growing up and my cousin drove a Chevy truck. It was a constant battle on who had the better truck. I never gave into Chevy until I fell on hard times and had to buy a Chevy. In the end they are both great trucks. I no longer bash chevy but I still won't buy another. Lol

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    Let the haters hate.

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    Two points:

    (1.)
    The other extreme on price confuses me too; some Giant bikes are quite dear, it's simply that to buy the equivalent in another brand costs significantly more. My Trance X Advanced SL 0 wasn't cheap, but I did get it on a major discount. I would've paid a sh*tload more in another brand to get the equivalent.

    (2.)
    If you compare Giant and another brand for an almost identically specced bike; break it down:

    1. remove groupo/brakes
    2. remove wheels
    3. remove suspension
    4. etc etc

    Now, (1). -(4.) are the SAME between both bikes leaving you with the frames. Giant makes their own frames (AND a good chance of making the other brand in comparison here). Then the extra you pay is due to frames. Yes, there is a difference attributed to brand, BUT in terms of the actual physical bike, it's the frame. So to bag Giant is essentially to bag the frame. So..........IF the Giant frame is fundamentally bad then why do other companies get Giant to produce frames for them!?

    Other alternative is that the comparison company makes there own frames and the extra you pay is because that frame is so much better. Well as an amateur rider I will never be able to tell the difference. If the Giant frame is fundamentally rock solid and does it job, I'm over the moon.

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    I haven't noticed much hate on Giant bikes on the canadian west coast. Seems every big brand gets its fair share of negative views.

    Recently I had only been riding on Cannondale's and Treks, but got onto a Giant today and immediately fell in love with it. Honestly I would have never gone out looking for a Giant, but I'm really glad I ended up at a Giant dealer today. From the research I've done, its the best bike for the money and it looks awesome. So good enough for me.

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    well i only had my xtc 2012 model for about 9 months or so but found when looking at scott , trek and few other brands they had best range and also the price range of 1000-2000 that i could afford.

    i def couldnt afford some other the other bikes some of the stores weren't willing to budge on last year or year before that bikes so that put me off buying there.

    i saw some really extreme downhill bike that were way past my skill level would be wasted on me but were 3000 plus

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    I got 2 old Giant MTB and shopping for a new one now and a 2006 Toyota Corolla I just love things that work and last.

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    Quote Originally Posted by purdyboy View Post
    Also in Oz.
    My mate (who was from Colorado but living in Oz now) jokingly called my 2012 Anthem X0 29er "the Toyota Corolla of mountainbikes"... But at the same time he heaped praise on it.

    Out on the trails I would actually say i've only had positive interest in the bike.

    This is my first Giant, so not brand-proud etc.
    Still amazed at the performance that's crammed into this bike for the money I payed.

    Anyhow, who cares what other people think.

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    My bike is a Giant. I haven't encountered any hate, but probably because the LBS is a dealer for them so they're common and people seem to have an amount of respect for them. I am not sure I am going to stay with Giant when I upgrade, though. But it's not because it's not a good bike. I love mine, and it's what got me out there on the trails, so I'll always respect Giant!

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    As someone who owns two Giants (and used to own a 'boutique' frame which didn't perform as well), I do have to admit that the paint schemes are bloody awful.

    It's hard to get excited about a great performing frame it it looks like it's designed by a 13 year old with crayons!

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    Yeah My bikes are both kinda ugly 01 XTC SE2 and Iguana. I need to brake one down at a time and get them refinished.

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    As someone who owns two Giants (and used to own a 'boutique' frame which didn't perform as well), I do have to admit that the paint schemes are bloody awful.

    It's hard to get excited about a great performing frame it it looks like it's designed by a 13 year old with crayons!

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    I love my 2009 Giant Trance X. And thinking about the 29'er soon. I get **** about a Giant as well. But they don't find it too funny when im outclimbing them and their fancy boutique brand bikes tha cost twice as much for the same quality.
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    In my OP i probably a bit harsh with the use of the word hate, its not really hate its just a bit of a snobby attitude from a few about Giant bikes, needless to say this is never from anybody that owns a Giant, they are great bikes, in fact the Maestro on my reign is imo the most efficient and best suspension system on the market..
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    Hello :-) I bought a revel, Revel LTD1. I found the frame to have little "spots"/"stains" that I have never seen before in frames. I put some notes here (long history.....): [cstcr.wordpress.com]. Are these "defects" common for these "low end" mtbs (or revel)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by m3br View Post
    Hello :-) I bought a revel, Revel LTD1. I found the frame to have little "spots"/"stains" that I have never seen before in frames. I put some notes here (long history.....): [cstcr.wordpress.com]. Are these "defects" common for these "low end" mtbs (or revel)?
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    Hi :-)

    I detailed the very long and recent story at this web address: cstcr.wordpress.com

    For sure I was very enthusiast about the brand and I strongly chose it but later I found out that maybe there's something that should be "tuned" with customer relation somewhere in the long long chain

    This has also to do with "why no love..." that's the reason I decided to post it here

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    Hi :-)

    I detailed the very long and recent story at this web address: cstcr.wordpress.com

    For sure I was very enthusiast about the brand and I strongly chose it but later I found out that maybe there's something that should be "tuned" with customer relation somewhere in the long long chain

    This has also to do with "why no love..." that's the reason I decided to post it here

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    Dan first off nice bike mate, it looks great, look i think giant have been pretty good so far, they sent you a new bike, its a bit dissapointing that it has a few marks on it but they are very small, i wouldnt worry about them, its a white frame and its gonna get a few more.
    The one on the crank is nothing, your crank is gonna get tonnes of scratches from your shoes any way, and if you dont like it just touch it up with a bit of model paint but i wouldnt worry.
    the one on your fork is the same, its nothing, you will have heaps of those in a year anyway, i wouldnt worry about it, its been done in transit id say but its so tiny i wouldnt worry.
    the very light smudges are basically nothing, i would not even notice them if i looked at your bike, its a white bike, its gonna get heaps of marks and scratches.

    I can see your a real nice guy through the letter i read, and your prob a bit of a perfectionist, just remember its a bike and its meant to have lots of scratches and marks on it, a month after i buy a 3 thousand dollar bike its covered in them.

    Remember too that its your job now to learn how to service it and make sure the wheels are mounted correctly etc, theres always a few lil issues you have to sort out with a new bike, you might have to fiddle with the breaks n gears to get them right, thats all normal..

    My advise is, get out there and ride it hard, forget about any tiny blemishes, Giant did send you out the new one and it looks pretty good to me mate, so dont hold back, get on it n have some fun and go put a few more scratches on it then you wont even notice the others.
    cheers mate and PM me if you have any dramas with it n we can sort them out.

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    thanks for your comments and suggestions, very appreciated.

    Well, yes, I tend to be perfectionist. But unfortunately I am really not so :-) I am very aware of the future of the bike, taking a look at my previous one (not the same brand). Not a single person would recommend to drive it ehehe.

    As for the story, I know it is a little problem but there are some questions that put me into "action mode". this is a second bike that has been pushed into the market with same little issue (I suppose). I think that owner's manual do some "recommendations" about stains (that can vary in nature, of course). As far as I know, It is well proven that warranty will cover again my problem. Who will take charge of mounting/remounting the new bike? Everyone knows the answer: probably last ring of the selling chain. Then I ask myself: was the issue known before sending them out? How many of them?
    I even would have been very pleased to receive a _formal_ letter stating that issue is not an issue, and probably I would have been much happier and could start driving!
    For sure I will never get any answer but Okay I tried to ask to myself, at least :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by macduff View Post
    Just bought myself a new old stock reign X2 from my lbs. I've been out of the loop of whats current in the mtb scene for a long while as my last bike purchase was an orange X2 full suspension back in 1997, still have it. Maybe Giant are too much the Ford of the MTB world for the bike tarts but I'm loving mine...1 down
    Dead on with what I was thinking. I liken it to my buddy's 2003 Mustang Cobra. In the scheme of things, it is a cheap car in the $40k range (new). But for the performance you get (supercharged 390hp) it easily keeps up with and often out-performs much, much more expensive cars.

    To me, that is what Giant is. Value and performance. They easily rival, and often out-perform much more expensive bikes.......and they hate them for it. I think that is what all the hate is......JEALOUSY.
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    I agree, I was going to buy a new bike next year but I love this XTC 29er 2 so much that I decided to spend some cash and upgrade it. It just got some new Stans ZTR Arch Ex on Hope hubs. The next round of parts will be the new Hope Evo Tech V4 brakes with matching floating rotors. I have new carbon bars waiting to go on and a carbon seat post is in the works as well. Shifters I will replace when they fail. I just love the ride and the way the bike handles and figured why spend another 2k and not get what I want, even the 4k bikes dont have parts I want so I decided to upgrade what I have. Oh getting a new Hope stem as well, can you tell I love Hope products LOL.

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    I think people look down on Giant more since it's a mainstream brand. I never thought much of them until I rode one and realized they make good bikes, as well as crappy (but cheap) bikes.

    I would say people hate Special_ed though, but that's for other reasons.
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    Kurt Sorge wins Red Bull rampage on a giant, Danny Hart wins downhill world championships on a giant. If a giant is good enough for that then its good enough for anyones average abilities and more. As for the high and mighty riders on their £5000 bikes whos ability is worthy of a £500 bike i dont think they have the right to look down on people riding cheaper bikers than themselves. Must be embarrassing for them to get shown up by a kid on a bike that is worth less than the wheels on their bike. Its the rider not the bike!

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    Quote Originally Posted by richesm View Post
    Kurt Sorge wins Red Bull rampage on a giant, Danny Hart wins downhill world championships on a giant. If a giant is good enough for that then its good enough for anyones average abilities and more. As for the high and mighty riders on their £5000 bikes whos ability is worthy of a £500 bike i dont think they have the right to look down on people riding cheaper bikers than themselves. Must be embarrassing for them to get shown up by a kid on a bike that is worth less than the wheels on their bike. Its the rider not the bike!
    For the most part I think your right.

    However some people know they are very bad riders & don't care that someone can whip there arse on any bike including a wallmart bike, The just want to give themself the best chance they can to have fun & stay on the bike.


    Don't judge people because that same person may be looking at the $2500 bike you maybe riding & think why would they only spend 1 hours income on a bike they will ride for thousands of hours.

    How much money someone spends on there bike is there choice not yours.
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    Quote Originally Posted by richesm View Post
    Kurt Sorge wins Red Bull rampage on a giant, Danny Hart wins downhill world championships on a giant. If a giant is good enough for that then its good enough for anyones average abilities and more. As for the high and mighty riders on their £5000 bikes whos ability is worthy of a £500 bike i dont think they have the right to look down on people riding cheaper bikers than themselves. Must be embarrassing for them to get shown up by a kid on a bike that is worth less than the wheels on their bike. Its the rider not the bike!
    Giant actually make some pretty expensive bikes, their top of the line bikes are all round to 5k mark.
    Im sure the ones your talking about above are 5k bikes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tone's View Post
    Giant actually make some pretty expensive bikes, their top of the line bikes are all round to 5k mark.
    Im sure the ones your talking about above are 5k bikes.
    Actually the bike Sorge rode was basically a stock '13 Glory, just with stiffer suspension and increased tire pressure of course. Hart rides a bit further from stock Glory, but the angles are mostly the same. The actually made changes from the '12 to the '13 based on what he and Neethling said they wanted changed geo wise. I think the biggest difference is he gets to run special suspension from Rock Shox.
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    I have notice this only happens online and none of the haters seem to have a good reason for it either. It seems to be just peoples inherent unfounded aversion to anything different that potentially threatens their belief system upon which they have built their self-esteem.

    I was also loving I when I read the lastet reports form the bloggers tour the giant factory. They are all hand welded.........haha.....not that how or where a big is made has any bearing on whether I buy it or not.....but still lovin it...... another tick for giant.

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    Here in the UK Giants (Anthem & Trance especially) are very well respected, can't remember hearing anyone with a bad word to say about them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nre View Post
    Here in the UK Giants (Anthem & Trance especially) are very well respected, can't remember hearing anyone with a bad word to say about them.
    That is why the hate is odd. They build damn good bikes that are spec'd with great components, but they get hated on at times. I think it just comes along with corporate hate these days, and love for smaller, "boutique" brands. Certainly, those smaller companies do good things, and have a way to innovate that a larger company can't do as fast, but you have to think that a larger company can bring better and more technology to the table for R&D.

    Really, to each their own I guess. I love my Giant, regardless of what others think about it. I also don't need to be with the latest trendy brand either to make myself feel better.
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    People don't seem to like the brand because they do not know anything about it. I have been riding Giant bicycles both road and mountain for the last 4 years. I am a very happy with their bikes.
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    its stupid.. people who spend a bunch of cash like to look down their nose at others with a lesser bike..

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    I spent about $5k on a new bike that I wanted to feel just like my Glory going down, but still be able to pedal up. It was killing me to pay $2k more than the Glory, but the insurance check for my stolen bike helped negate that.

    I kept thinking, why am I paying more for "less bike"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tone's View Post
    Giant actually make some pretty expensive bikes, their top of the line bikes are all round to 5k mark.
    Im sure the ones your talking about above are 5k bikes.
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    That is why the hate is odd. They build damn good bikes that are spec'd with great components...
    This goes way back.

    Yes, Giant makes lots of the frames for other mfg-ers. They always have (well, back into the 80's anyway--that's always for lots of the people on mtbr who weren't born yet).

    If you go back 25 or so years, Giant was really only occupying the low end. The bikes were a good value by comparison to other brand bikes at similar price points. But they were not cool, they were associated with entry level, and the colors and graphics were dull. Nothing was cutting edge like maestro, it was just a basic, plain, entry level bike.

    The bike industry has a cultural memory that tends to put Giant into a role. Think about Hyundai. It's not a perfect analogy, but similar. Hyundai is making some really good cars, but lots of people just think of them as the budget sh!tbox that they were decades ago. It's really hard for a brand to shake the perception that people form when they first learn about it.

    So that's all. It's too bad when people are unable to see clearly because an established bias colors their perception. But perception is reality.

    It really is too bad, because like always, Giant bikes are always a good value in terms of parts spec and technology. And now they have some bikes that compete with the best.

    But some people will always see a Hyundai as a sh!tbox no matter what it really is, and they'll always see a Giant as a low-end bike no matter what it really is.
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    That's a really good analogy. Even today Hyundai makes good cars, and in the future they probably still will. However, I will still look down upon them for being Hyundai. Although, a lot of this is due to the fact that I look at their cars and see blatant copies of other vehicles. Especially the Genesis sedan.

    Even if they make great cars in the future and designs that looks mostly like their own, I probably won't forget the past.
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    swapped frame

    Hello everybody!

    So, as I was telling weeks ago I had something going on with my Revel bike. In the end I could get a frame raplacement.
    Among other things that I could solve, I noticed that the mechanic did not screw tight the ring for the cartridge (the one "near" the crankset) for some reason. Do you think that the cartridge was correctly mounted? Do I need to put that ring well in place? To my opinion the ring has not been rightly screwed. (Sorry my vocabulary is very limited in this field)

    Here's a link to pic: cstcr.wordpress.com/2012/12/11/mixr1rltd1/img4/

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    If anything I learned that there is more troll and idoits that surf the net than people who are actually knowledgable about the subject. Don't believe anything you read on here. Giant makes great bikes. If they didn't, they wouldn't be competing in the World Cup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by m3br View Post
    Hello everybody!

    So, as I was telling weeks ago I had something going on with my Revel bike. In the end I could get a frame raplacement.
    Among other things that I could solve, I noticed that the mechanic did not screw tight the ring for the cartridge (the one "near" the crankset) for some reason. Do you think that the cartridge was correctly mounted? Do I need to put that ring well in place? To my opinion the ring has not been rightly screwed. (Sorry my vocabulary is very limited in this field)

    Here's a link to pic: cstcr.wordpress.com/2012/12/11/mixr1rltd1/img4/

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    I would say it was done right, I have a press fit and mine sticks out like that as well, the BB length is greater then the bikes BB shell although he should have put a spacer in there to take up the slack. BB can fit 68-73 in most cases and thats why they usually have spacers. I could be wrong though take it back and ask if your not sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fahza29er View Post
    I would say it was done right, I have a press fit and mine sticks out like that as well, the BB length is greater then the bikes BB shell although he should have put a spacer in there to take up the slack. BB can fit 68-73 in most cases and thats why they usually have spacers. I could be wrong though take it back and ask if your not sure.

    Thank you. I completely understand the point. I did not consider this possibility because the swapped frame belongs to the same category as the previous one (and apparently has the same specs) and I did not remember anything sticking out like that. Anyways I am also glad to know that in such a case the "state of the art" is to add a spacer. So the spacer is used also to prevent fluids to "enter"
    Thank you again

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    Don't get hung up on it. It's a little sad to see MTB'ing going down the course of road (where exclusivity can be all important), but as MTB'ing was (I believe) originally based on individuality, any mass produced product is seen as a sellout.

    I possibly have the most basic of MTB's to be found on this website (a Yukon SX) but it's been tweaked, it's been XC'd and it just works.

    When I can afford/need to upgrade I will...maybe even to another Giant (gasp!)
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    Go ride a Boutique brand bike and compare it to the Giant Maestro bike. You'll realize the Giant bike is the better bike overall and for the price. Nothing comes close to the Maestro suspension. I think the people who bash Giant are the ones who made the mistake and bought the boutique bike and realize they made a very bad desicion once they were able to put a leg over the Maestro bike.

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    I rode a Pivot Phoenix, and yeah I felt it was better than my Glory in that it accelerated and pedaled amazingly. That doesn't make $1-2k better though. As far as descending and the stuff that matters, it was pretty much the same as far as I could tell.
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    When I first got into mtb riding as a teen Giants were the ride of prevalence in my area. There were other brands but they were considerably more and the dealers were having trouble supporting them. Giant on the other hand was quick and painless when it came to frame warranties(which my friends were in the early freeride movement on XC stuff so they tested). I had a couple mtbs before getting to my first Sedona and been all Giant since. 2 Sedonas still in the fleet, and had an XTC for a while. That was possibly the most nimble XC bike I have ever touched, though ultimately I decided it wasn't my style.
    Around here everyone seems to do Trek or Cannondale. One Giant shop out of a myriad of Treks. Never really encountered any snobbery to speak of, just some surprise of having a non-T bike

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    It's a branding issue. They have not developed a brand identity for the bikes but rather just repeat the idea that they are the biggest maker out there.

    If they could identify what makes their bikes distinctive and communicate those attributes they'd build real value---especially since the product itself is of such good quality.

    And yes communicate the brand though the paint job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by excaliber View Post
    Go ride a Boutique brand bike and compare it to the Giant Maestro bike. You'll realize the Giant bike is the better bike overall and for the price. Nothing comes close to the Maestro suspension. I think the people who bash Giant are the ones who made the mistake and bought the boutique bike and realize they made a very bad desicion once they were able to put a leg over the Maestro bike.
    How's that Kool-aid taste? Giants are great bikes, no argument. However, there are other great bikes from other manufacturers as well. You realize you are bashing other brands in a "why are people bashing Giant" thread? Hypocritical much?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silentfoe View Post
    How's that Kool-aid taste? Giants are great bikes, no argument. However, there are other great bikes from other manufacturers as well. You realize you are bashing other brands in a "why are people bashing Giant" thread? Hypocritical much?
    You're the one drinking the koolaid. What other brands was I bashing numbnuts? There's always a "that guy" in every crowd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thiel View Post
    It's a branding issue. They have not developed a brand identity for the bikes but rather just repeat the idea that they are the biggest maker out there.

    If they could identify what makes their bikes distinctive and communicate those attributes they'd build real value---especially since the product itself is of such good quality.

    And yes communicate the brand though the paint job.
    An excellent response, and it goes a long way to the crux of the matter.


    my 2cents....
    From their website, it's clear they are trying to offer a bike to everyone. This is a good and a bad thing, depending upon who you are. The website has sugar coated /friendly feel and while I don't disagree with that per se, it does distance itself from the more hardcore brands which go out of their way to promote their mechanical excellence (example; I love the look/feel of the Trek webpages, but I personally don't like Trek bikes through experience). I don't like the marketing or feel of the Giant webpages, but I am open enough to look past that and view the bike for what it is and the value it represents. My gut feeling is it puts off a lot of serious riders. Unfortunately for Giant, IMHO, their really top-line bikes get tainted with the 'generalist' and friendly feel of the website. But, because they sell, and sell well to the masses, I would suspect they are not unhappy with their outlook.

    Finally, with the communality of bike-parts between bike brands, basically the frame and Maestro suspension standout as uniqueness to Giant. Now I for one have no issues with the frames and I've always loved the simplicity of the Maestro suspension, so if I can pay a lot less for a well specced and robust bike, I'm happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by muzzanic View Post
    I have had more Giant FS bikes than I care to remember, I have been on Niners for about 3 years, Current bike is a Jet9 RDO.

    I rate Giant very high, & If I wasn't on a Niner it would be Giant i would be going back to.

    The Anthem X29 I did a bit of miles on was a much nicer bike than the Tallboy carbon that I owned IMO.

    For the price point Giant is well up on many makes.
    High praise indeed! My first MTB was a Giant SE Boulder and it was bomb-proof. Weighed a ton but I didn't know any different. Moved on to a lighter Felt h/t and was satisfied for a year and a half, but decided I wanted a f/s bike. The Felt f/s bikes didn't interest me as they appeared too racy and that's what I wanted to move away from. The racy, bent-over positioning, plus it was their first foray into f/s bikes and I ain't gonna be a beta tester.

    The first company I explored was Spesh (forget the model) and it felt nice, but still too racy. I demoed a Tallboy and a TX29 but the TX29 just felt right, like a broke-in glove. Upon further research, I settled on the Giant which is a pretty sparse brand where I live. I almost never see them on the trails, so I'm sure when I roll up to a group on the TX29 there will be some curiosity indeed.

    Giant, being the company that it is, has the engineering horsepower to build a better bike, conduct heaps of r&d, and invest in the 'little things' that ultimately create a better experience for the consumer. Maestro and WheelSystems are good examples of this. I want the best bike for my money, regardless of the name on the downtube. If you're the other way around, go buy a Moots.
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    Quote Originally Posted by excaliber View Post
    You're the one drinking the koolaid. What other brands was I bashing numbnuts? There's always a "that guy" in every crowd.
    I save the neg rep for those, like you, who can't form a cohesive argument without resorting to name calling. I'm posting it here so others will know you earned it.
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    As has already been noted, haters gonna hate. I've owned Bridgestone, Trek, Diamondback, Kona, and Specialized bikes. My Specialized was an S-Works FSR/XC and it was a great bike but in terms of value and all around performance it could not hold a candle to my Trance XO. The bottom line is I don't care what a bike snob may think about the Giant brand. At this point the only bike that will ever replace my Trance XO is a newer equivalent. I'm sold on and committed to the Giant brand as long as they continue to produce the outstanding value, quality, and technology found in the current lineup. BTW, my first Giant was a Trance 3 which led to the XO, so yeah, I'm hooked. I can't change what people will say or think about my bike and frankly I don't care, I'll continue to let my ride speak for itself in terms of performance, reliability, and value.

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    Up until this week, my one bike was a hardtail from Euro sports warehouse retailer, Decathlon. Very good hardtail, decent fork and spec (with dual control shifters, not everyone's cup of tea), but I used to work for the company and their mid range hardtails like mine always get good reviews for value for money. Here in the UK a Specialied equivalent is about 30 to 40% more. Round where I live there are a lot of folks who have some pretty nice bikes, the likes of SAnta Cruz, Orange etc being quite popular. My bike doesn't get a look in as an unknown brand, but I enjoy it none the less.

    Point is, I am hardly a bike snob and my hardtail has not been ridden anywhere near its limits by me, although I have had memorable riding in Tahoe and Wales.

    Come the end of last year, I am keen to buy another bike, mid life crisis creeping up on me. After much research I landed a Trance X frame and have just started to build it up, on a budget, so no XTR for me. I asked the local bike shop to assist with fitting the bottom bracket and forks. These guys sell some really top end bikes, I am often amazed at the bikes hey have in stock, top end Specialized, Orange, Whyte and a good selection of fancy Italian road bikes. They were very complimentary about the bike when I took it in and commented on how well they rode. You don't see so many Giant bikes around this area, so maybe it is just because they are rare, but I will be proud to be on a Giant and won't be bothered that mine wasn't more than half a year of house repayments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gribble View Post
    Up until this week, my one bike was a hardtail from Euro sports warehouse retailer, Decathlon. Very good hardtail, decent fork and spec (with dual control shifters, not everyone's cup of tea), but I used to work for the company and their mid range hardtails like mine always get good reviews for value for money. Here in the UK a Specialied equivalent is about 30 to 40% more. Round where I live there are a lot of folks who have some pretty nice bikes, the likes of SAnta Cruz, Orange etc being quite popular. My bike doesn't get a look in as an unknown brand, but I enjoy it none the less.

    Point is, I am hardly a bike snob and my hardtail has not been ridden anywhere near its limits by me, although I have had memorable riding in Tahoe and Wales.

    Come the end of last year, I am keen to buy another bike, mid life crisis creeping up on me. After much research I landed a Trance X frame and have just started to build it up, on a budget, so no XTR for me. I asked the local bike shop to assist with fitting the bottom bracket and forks. These guys sell some really top end bikes, I am often amazed at the bikes hey have in stock, top end Specialized, Orange, Whyte and a good selection of fancy Italian road bikes. They were very complimentary about the bike when I took it in and commented on how well they rode. You don't see so many Giant bikes around this area, so maybe it is just because they are rare, but I will be proud to be on a Giant and won't be bothered that mine wasn't more than half a year of house repayments.
    Nice buy mate, the Trance's are killer bikes in anybodies books, the Maestro sus beats the likes of santa cruz and orange hands down, youve got a bike there you can be really proud of.
    Ive got a 2012 reign, its a killer bike too, im yet to ride anything i like as much, so good score on the trance, you made a great choice,
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    Thanks Tone, I have not had much opportunity to ride full suspension from the competition, so purchase was based largely on Internet research, magazine tests (UK publication MBR have given the Trance X4 very good reviews over the last couple of years). I also know my brother has been impressed with his 6 year old Anthem.

    Glad to hear they ride well compared to the competition looking forward to trying it out and actually riding next weekend.
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    In my area (Central Florida) I haven't noticed any hate at all for Giants...they seem to be pretty prevalent. Giant's, Specialized, and Cannondales are all the popular brands in this area.

    I just bought a Revel 1 29er, and it's a great bike. It's the cheapest 29er Giant makes and one of the cheapest bikes overall that they make, but I still enjoy it and it hasn't let me down yet. It has very noisy brakes when wet and dirty and the front fork is jello, but I paid $500 new for it...not much to complain about there.


    Now if only Giant would make the Yukon FX in a 29er for when I upgrade next year...

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    Damn. All this Giant hate is new to me (in fact - I liked that not many had a trance X). Are they snickering behind my back at the trails?

    Just passed up a trek for another giant X product , one factor was looks and another was brand loyalty and the mighty maestro. This from a guy who also has a brand loyalty to BMWs - the kinds that start with the letter M.

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    My dealer carries Giant and Trek.
    I love my 2012 AX29er, my wife loves her 2013 AX29erW, and my son-inlaw is quite fond of his 2012 XTC29er. The manager races on a 2013 AX29er advanced. Many friends and acquaintances love their Giants. So I would have to say I did not know of this hate, and now I guess I just don't care.
    I must admit that I do see other bikes I also like.

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    As someone buying a first proper MTB and researching all the brands and individual bikes, Giant was was among the last to catch my attention. My mind just skipped over them right away, everything about them gives impression of shitty super market bikes, mass manufactured in cheapest part of Asia with minimal QC and a lot of big words to confuse potential customers and habit of infesting the products with proprietary features (one or more of those can regardless be true). Their site looks dull, uninteresting and is not particularly functional or refined. It works fast though, no unnecessary scripts and flash elements or whatever. It required a lot of research to realize that they actually make pretty well thought out bikes, and not every big word is necessary just a lie.

    I still find Trance X 29er aesthetically pretty shitty, and would imagine such large company should be able spend few dollars more on that. Looks don't really matter to me in the sense that I don't like bling, but I do like simple, utilitarian looks that I expect from things that are not designed bling in mind. Giant happens to look cheap bling, which is absolute worst. I just want a well performing and reasonably priced bike with little non-sense as possible. They seem to make super average bikes, but the average usually is the best for any reasonable use, and it doesn't mean average performance wise. Trance X 29er hits right spot in pretty much every aspect for me, but it was probably last bike I looked into in the "trail" category.
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    Quote Originally Posted by irvinator View Post
    As has already been noted, haters gonna hate. I've owned Bridgestone, Trek, Diamondback, Kona, and Specialized bikes. My Specialized was an S-Works FSR/XC and it was a great bike but in terms of value and all around performance it could not hold a candle to my Trance XO. The bottom line is I don't care what a bike snob may think about the Giant brand. At this point the only bike that will ever replace my Trance XO is a newer equivalent. I'm sold on and committed to the Giant brand as long as they continue to produce the outstanding value, quality, and technology found in the current lineup. BTW, my first Giant was a Trance 3 which led to the XO, so yeah, I'm hooked. I can't change what people will say or think about my bike and frankly I don't care, I'll continue to let my ride speak for itself in terms of performance, reliability, and value.
    same here, upgrading from an alloy xtc 2 to a composite 1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Horros View Post
    As someone buying a first proper MTB and researching all the brands and individual bikes, Giant was was among the last to catch my attention. My mind just skipped over them right away, everything about them gives impression of shitty super market bikes, mass manufactured in cheapest part of Asia with minimal QC and a lot of big words to confuse potential customers and habit of infesting the products with proprietary features (one or more of those can regardless be true). Their site looks dull, uninteresting and is not particularly functional or refined. It works fast though, no unnecessary scripts and flash elements or whatever. It required a lot of research to realize that they actually make pretty well thought out bikes, and not every big word is necessary just a lie.

    I still find Trance X 29er aesthetically pretty shitty, and would imagine such large company should be able spend few dollars more on that. Looks don't really matter to me in the sense that I don't like bling, but I do like simple, utilitarian looks that I expect from things that are not designed bling in mind. Giant happens to look cheap bling, which is absolute worst. I just want a well performing and reasonably priced bike with little non-sense as possible. They seem to make super average bikes, but the average usually is the best for any reasonable use, and it doesn't mean average performance wise. Trance X 29er hits right spot in pretty much every aspect for me, but it was probably last bike I looked into in the "trail" category.
    LOL, just lol......
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    dudes hard trollin

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    Like Kat Williams said...If you got haters, you must me doing something right! LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Horros View Post
    As someone buying a first proper MTB and researching all the brands and individual bikes, Giant was was among the last to catch my attention. My mind just skipped over them right away, everything about them gives impression of shitty super market bikes, mass manufactured in cheapest part of Asia with minimal QC and a lot of big words to confuse potential customers and habit of infesting the products with proprietary features (one or more of those can regardless be true). Their site looks dull, uninteresting and is not particularly functional or refined. It works fast though, no unnecessary scripts and flash elements or whatever. It required a lot of research to realize that they actually make pretty well thought out bikes, and not every big word is necessary just a lie.

    I still find Trance X 29er aesthetically pretty shitty, and would imagine such large company should be able spend few dollars more on that. Looks don't really matter to me in the sense that I don't like bling, but I do like simple, utilitarian looks that I expect from things that are not designed bling in mind. Giant happens to look cheap bling, which is absolute worst. I just want a well performing and reasonably priced bike with little non-sense as possible. They seem to make super average bikes, but the average usually is the best for any reasonable use, and it doesn't mean average performance wise. Trance X 29er hits right spot in pretty much every aspect for me, but it was probably last bike I looked into in the "trail" category.

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    LOL, just lol......
    This.

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    It was pretty LOL but the guy has a point (and I suspect that English isn't his first language). Giant doesn't do the crazy Flash-heavy sites that guys like Santa Cruz or Yeti are obsessed with. And I do reckon that their bikes are designed to look a bit mass market, because that's really where the money is. Look at the other big brands- Specialised and Trek which also tend to have pretty naff and garish paintjobs (red and yellow Demo 8, anyone?).

    The problem here is that some people think that a frame can only be worth looking at if it's been anodised or powdercoated, or if the company has spent a bunch of money on hipster web designers.

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    Giant actually has one of the best non fussy websites I've encountered in the bike world. Most of those flash heavy sites are all flash and no bang.

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    I didn't know a bike manufacturers site had anything to do with the quality of their bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krunk_Kracker View Post
    I didn't know a bike manufacturers site had anything to do with he quality of their bikes.

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    Agreed, and i will say that there is no doubt at all that Giant make a top shelf quality product, and many of these knockers are unaware that giant have made the other branded bike they are riding and think is better built than giant lol. quite the parody.
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    Come on, people are complaining about the aesthetics of Giant not just how they ride -- a brand image is more than just the product hence sponsorships and ****.

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    I described my prejudice, initial reaction to Giant due to the brand image they give me, which is of course personal thing. Slightly exaggerated, but not much. I still find the webpage fast working, due to lack of unnecessary flash elements etc, but the information is not very clearly and logically placed every time, it looks like a generic, unpolished, cheap site, and this is one thing where my taste can actually have some value. The other problem areas are inaccuracy and incompleteness of geometry chart(s) and especially the use of non-sense, big words that are supposed to impress the customer somehow. They also don't reason their designs well (maybe because there isn't distinct design goal, just goal to make a generally good bike?). If I was, hypothetically speaking, buying a bike based on the information given on their site, I would mostly feel very unsure what I was buying, I wouldn't know what they are trying to sell me. Some other companies give much better, clearer picture of their designs etc, and that is appealing. I'm not saying though, that it's any worse than with other BIG brands, as I don't know.

    To me they give very cheap image in all possible ways, but perhaps that's what they are going for? Works for their target market? I don't know. It took me some time to realize they have my bike. I like their bike design(s), I hope you understand this part before getting into the bandwagon again.

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