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    Quote Originally Posted by excaliber View Post
    Go ride a Boutique brand bike and compare it to the Giant Maestro bike. You'll realize the Giant bike is the better bike overall and for the price. Nothing comes close to the Maestro suspension. I think the people who bash Giant are the ones who made the mistake and bought the boutique bike and realize they made a very bad desicion once they were able to put a leg over the Maestro bike.
    How's that Kool-aid taste? Giants are great bikes, no argument. However, there are other great bikes from other manufacturers as well. You realize you are bashing other brands in a "why are people bashing Giant" thread? Hypocritical much?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silentfoe View Post
    How's that Kool-aid taste? Giants are great bikes, no argument. However, there are other great bikes from other manufacturers as well. You realize you are bashing other brands in a "why are people bashing Giant" thread? Hypocritical much?
    You're the one drinking the koolaid. What other brands was I bashing numbnuts? There's always a "that guy" in every crowd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thiel View Post
    It's a branding issue. They have not developed a brand identity for the bikes but rather just repeat the idea that they are the biggest maker out there.

    If they could identify what makes their bikes distinctive and communicate those attributes they'd build real value---especially since the product itself is of such good quality.

    And yes communicate the brand though the paint job.
    An excellent response, and it goes a long way to the crux of the matter.


    my 2cents....
    From their website, it's clear they are trying to offer a bike to everyone. This is a good and a bad thing, depending upon who you are. The website has sugar coated /friendly feel and while I don't disagree with that per se, it does distance itself from the more hardcore brands which go out of their way to promote their mechanical excellence (example; I love the look/feel of the Trek webpages, but I personally don't like Trek bikes through experience). I don't like the marketing or feel of the Giant webpages, but I am open enough to look past that and view the bike for what it is and the value it represents. My gut feeling is it puts off a lot of serious riders. Unfortunately for Giant, IMHO, their really top-line bikes get tainted with the 'generalist' and friendly feel of the website. But, because they sell, and sell well to the masses, I would suspect they are not unhappy with their outlook.

    Finally, with the communality of bike-parts between bike brands, basically the frame and Maestro suspension standout as uniqueness to Giant. Now I for one have no issues with the frames and I've always loved the simplicity of the Maestro suspension, so if I can pay a lot less for a well specced and robust bike, I'm happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by muzzanic View Post
    I have had more Giant FS bikes than I care to remember, I have been on Niners for about 3 years, Current bike is a Jet9 RDO.

    I rate Giant very high, & If I wasn't on a Niner it would be Giant i would be going back to.

    The Anthem X29 I did a bit of miles on was a much nicer bike than the Tallboy carbon that I owned IMO.

    For the price point Giant is well up on many makes.
    High praise indeed! My first MTB was a Giant SE Boulder and it was bomb-proof. Weighed a ton but I didn't know any different. Moved on to a lighter Felt h/t and was satisfied for a year and a half, but decided I wanted a f/s bike. The Felt f/s bikes didn't interest me as they appeared too racy and that's what I wanted to move away from. The racy, bent-over positioning, plus it was their first foray into f/s bikes and I ain't gonna be a beta tester.

    The first company I explored was Spesh (forget the model) and it felt nice, but still too racy. I demoed a Tallboy and a TX29 but the TX29 just felt right, like a broke-in glove. Upon further research, I settled on the Giant which is a pretty sparse brand where I live. I almost never see them on the trails, so I'm sure when I roll up to a group on the TX29 there will be some curiosity indeed.

    Giant, being the company that it is, has the engineering horsepower to build a better bike, conduct heaps of r&d, and invest in the 'little things' that ultimately create a better experience for the consumer. Maestro and WheelSystems are good examples of this. I want the best bike for my money, regardless of the name on the downtube. If you're the other way around, go buy a Moots.
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    Quote Originally Posted by excaliber View Post
    You're the one drinking the koolaid. What other brands was I bashing numbnuts? There's always a "that guy" in every crowd.
    I save the neg rep for those, like you, who can't form a cohesive argument without resorting to name calling. I'm posting it here so others will know you earned it.

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    As has already been noted, haters gonna hate. I've owned Bridgestone, Trek, Diamondback, Kona, and Specialized bikes. My Specialized was an S-Works FSR/XC and it was a great bike but in terms of value and all around performance it could not hold a candle to my Trance XO. The bottom line is I don't care what a bike snob may think about the Giant brand. At this point the only bike that will ever replace my Trance XO is a newer equivalent. I'm sold on and committed to the Giant brand as long as they continue to produce the outstanding value, quality, and technology found in the current lineup. BTW, my first Giant was a Trance 3 which led to the XO, so yeah, I'm hooked. I can't change what people will say or think about my bike and frankly I don't care, I'll continue to let my ride speak for itself in terms of performance, reliability, and value.

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    Up until this week, my one bike was a hardtail from Euro sports warehouse retailer, Decathlon. Very good hardtail, decent fork and spec (with dual control shifters, not everyone's cup of tea), but I used to work for the company and their mid range hardtails like mine always get good reviews for value for money. Here in the UK a Specialied equivalent is about 30 to 40% more. Round where I live there are a lot of folks who have some pretty nice bikes, the likes of SAnta Cruz, Orange etc being quite popular. My bike doesn't get a look in as an unknown brand, but I enjoy it none the less.

    Point is, I am hardly a bike snob and my hardtail has not been ridden anywhere near its limits by me, although I have had memorable riding in Tahoe and Wales.

    Come the end of last year, I am keen to buy another bike, mid life crisis creeping up on me. After much research I landed a Trance X frame and have just started to build it up, on a budget, so no XTR for me. I asked the local bike shop to assist with fitting the bottom bracket and forks. These guys sell some really top end bikes, I am often amazed at the bikes hey have in stock, top end Specialized, Orange, Whyte and a good selection of fancy Italian road bikes. They were very complimentary about the bike when I took it in and commented on how well they rode. You don't see so many Giant bikes around this area, so maybe it is just because they are rare, but I will be proud to be on a Giant and won't be bothered that mine wasn't more than half a year of house repayments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gribble View Post
    Up until this week, my one bike was a hardtail from Euro sports warehouse retailer, Decathlon. Very good hardtail, decent fork and spec (with dual control shifters, not everyone's cup of tea), but I used to work for the company and their mid range hardtails like mine always get good reviews for value for money. Here in the UK a Specialied equivalent is about 30 to 40% more. Round where I live there are a lot of folks who have some pretty nice bikes, the likes of SAnta Cruz, Orange etc being quite popular. My bike doesn't get a look in as an unknown brand, but I enjoy it none the less.

    Point is, I am hardly a bike snob and my hardtail has not been ridden anywhere near its limits by me, although I have had memorable riding in Tahoe and Wales.

    Come the end of last year, I am keen to buy another bike, mid life crisis creeping up on me. After much research I landed a Trance X frame and have just started to build it up, on a budget, so no XTR for me. I asked the local bike shop to assist with fitting the bottom bracket and forks. These guys sell some really top end bikes, I am often amazed at the bikes hey have in stock, top end Specialized, Orange, Whyte and a good selection of fancy Italian road bikes. They were very complimentary about the bike when I took it in and commented on how well they rode. You don't see so many Giant bikes around this area, so maybe it is just because they are rare, but I will be proud to be on a Giant and won't be bothered that mine wasn't more than half a year of house repayments.
    Nice buy mate, the Trance's are killer bikes in anybodies books, the Maestro sus beats the likes of santa cruz and orange hands down, youve got a bike there you can be really proud of.
    Ive got a 2012 reign, its a killer bike too, im yet to ride anything i like as much, so good score on the trance, you made a great choice,
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    Thanks Tone, I have not had much opportunity to ride full suspension from the competition, so purchase was based largely on Internet research, magazine tests (UK publication MBR have given the Trance X4 very good reviews over the last couple of years). I also know my brother has been impressed with his 6 year old Anthem.

    Glad to hear they ride well compared to the competition looking forward to trying it out and actually riding next weekend.
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    In my area (Central Florida) I haven't noticed any hate at all for Giants...they seem to be pretty prevalent. Giant's, Specialized, and Cannondales are all the popular brands in this area.

    I just bought a Revel 1 29er, and it's a great bike. It's the cheapest 29er Giant makes and one of the cheapest bikes overall that they make, but I still enjoy it and it hasn't let me down yet. It has very noisy brakes when wet and dirty and the front fork is jello, but I paid $500 new for it...not much to complain about there.


    Now if only Giant would make the Yukon FX in a 29er for when I upgrade next year...

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    Damn. All this Giant hate is new to me (in fact - I liked that not many had a trance X). Are they snickering behind my back at the trails?

    Just passed up a trek for another giant X product , one factor was looks and another was brand loyalty and the mighty maestro. This from a guy who also has a brand loyalty to BMWs - the kinds that start with the letter M.

    I felt dirty walking around that Trek dealer. I almost cheated.
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    My dealer carries Giant and Trek.
    I love my 2012 AX29er, my wife loves her 2013 AX29erW, and my son-inlaw is quite fond of his 2012 XTC29er. The manager races on a 2013 AX29er advanced. Many friends and acquaintances love their Giants. So I would have to say I did not know of this hate, and now I guess I just don't care.
    I must admit that I do see other bikes I also like.

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    Like I said:

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    Why no love and heaps... 01-20-2013 01:33 PM excaliber idiot

    Someone do me a favor and give him some more neg rep for me. People like this have no business being on a constructive forum. They add nothing to it.

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    As someone buying a first proper MTB and researching all the brands and individual bikes, Giant was was among the last to catch my attention. My mind just skipped over them right away, everything about them gives impression of shitty super market bikes, mass manufactured in cheapest part of Asia with minimal QC and a lot of big words to confuse potential customers and habit of infesting the products with proprietary features (one or more of those can regardless be true). Their site looks dull, uninteresting and is not particularly functional or refined. It works fast though, no unnecessary scripts and flash elements or whatever. It required a lot of research to realize that they actually make pretty well thought out bikes, and not every big word is necessary just a lie.

    I still find Trance X 29er aesthetically pretty shitty, and would imagine such large company should be able spend few dollars more on that. Looks don't really matter to me in the sense that I don't like bling, but I do like simple, utilitarian looks that I expect from things that are not designed bling in mind. Giant happens to look cheap bling, which is absolute worst. I just want a well performing and reasonably priced bike with little non-sense as possible. They seem to make super average bikes, but the average usually is the best for any reasonable use, and it doesn't mean average performance wise. Trance X 29er hits right spot in pretty much every aspect for me, but it was probably last bike I looked into in the "trail" category.
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    Quote Originally Posted by irvinator View Post
    As has already been noted, haters gonna hate. I've owned Bridgestone, Trek, Diamondback, Kona, and Specialized bikes. My Specialized was an S-Works FSR/XC and it was a great bike but in terms of value and all around performance it could not hold a candle to my Trance XO. The bottom line is I don't care what a bike snob may think about the Giant brand. At this point the only bike that will ever replace my Trance XO is a newer equivalent. I'm sold on and committed to the Giant brand as long as they continue to produce the outstanding value, quality, and technology found in the current lineup. BTW, my first Giant was a Trance 3 which led to the XO, so yeah, I'm hooked. I can't change what people will say or think about my bike and frankly I don't care, I'll continue to let my ride speak for itself in terms of performance, reliability, and value.
    same here, upgrading from an alloy xtc 2 to a composite 1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Horros View Post
    As someone buying a first proper MTB and researching all the brands and individual bikes, Giant was was among the last to catch my attention. My mind just skipped over them right away, everything about them gives impression of shitty super market bikes, mass manufactured in cheapest part of Asia with minimal QC and a lot of big words to confuse potential customers and habit of infesting the products with proprietary features (one or more of those can regardless be true). Their site looks dull, uninteresting and is not particularly functional or refined. It works fast though, no unnecessary scripts and flash elements or whatever. It required a lot of research to realize that they actually make pretty well thought out bikes, and not every big word is necessary just a lie.

    I still find Trance X 29er aesthetically pretty shitty, and would imagine such large company should be able spend few dollars more on that. Looks don't really matter to me in the sense that I don't like bling, but I do like simple, utilitarian looks that I expect from things that are not designed bling in mind. Giant happens to look cheap bling, which is absolute worst. I just want a well performing and reasonably priced bike with little non-sense as possible. They seem to make super average bikes, but the average usually is the best for any reasonable use, and it doesn't mean average performance wise. Trance X 29er hits right spot in pretty much every aspect for me, but it was probably last bike I looked into in the "trail" category.
    LOL, just lol......
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    dudes hard trollin

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    Like Kat Williams said...If you got haters, you must me doing something right! LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Horros View Post
    As someone buying a first proper MTB and researching all the brands and individual bikes, Giant was was among the last to catch my attention. My mind just skipped over them right away, everything about them gives impression of shitty super market bikes, mass manufactured in cheapest part of Asia with minimal QC and a lot of big words to confuse potential customers and habit of infesting the products with proprietary features (one or more of those can regardless be true). Their site looks dull, uninteresting and is not particularly functional or refined. It works fast though, no unnecessary scripts and flash elements or whatever. It required a lot of research to realize that they actually make pretty well thought out bikes, and not every big word is necessary just a lie.

    I still find Trance X 29er aesthetically pretty shitty, and would imagine such large company should be able spend few dollars more on that. Looks don't really matter to me in the sense that I don't like bling, but I do like simple, utilitarian looks that I expect from things that are not designed bling in mind. Giant happens to look cheap bling, which is absolute worst. I just want a well performing and reasonably priced bike with little non-sense as possible. They seem to make super average bikes, but the average usually is the best for any reasonable use, and it doesn't mean average performance wise. Trance X 29er hits right spot in pretty much every aspect for me, but it was probably last bike I looked into in the "trail" category.

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    LOL, just lol......
    This.

    That gets my vote for the most ridiculous post in this thread.
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    It was pretty LOL but the guy has a point (and I suspect that English isn't his first language). Giant doesn't do the crazy Flash-heavy sites that guys like Santa Cruz or Yeti are obsessed with. And I do reckon that their bikes are designed to look a bit mass market, because that's really where the money is. Look at the other big brands- Specialised and Trek which also tend to have pretty naff and garish paintjobs (red and yellow Demo 8, anyone?).

    The problem here is that some people think that a frame can only be worth looking at if it's been anodised or powdercoated, or if the company has spent a bunch of money on hipster web designers.

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    Giant actually has one of the best non fussy websites I've encountered in the bike world. Most of those flash heavy sites are all flash and no bang.

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    I didn't know a bike manufacturers site had anything to do with the quality of their bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krunk_Kracker View Post
    I didn't know a bike manufacturers site had anything to do with he quality of their bikes.

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    Agreed, and i will say that there is no doubt at all that Giant make a top shelf quality product, and many of these knockers are unaware that giant have made the other branded bike they are riding and think is better built than giant lol. quite the parody.
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    Come on, people are complaining about the aesthetics of Giant not just how they ride -- a brand image is more than just the product hence sponsorships and ****.

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    I described my prejudice, initial reaction to Giant due to the brand image they give me, which is of course personal thing. Slightly exaggerated, but not much. I still find the webpage fast working, due to lack of unnecessary flash elements etc, but the information is not very clearly and logically placed every time, it looks like a generic, unpolished, cheap site, and this is one thing where my taste can actually have some value. The other problem areas are inaccuracy and incompleteness of geometry chart(s) and especially the use of non-sense, big words that are supposed to impress the customer somehow. They also don't reason their designs well (maybe because there isn't distinct design goal, just goal to make a generally good bike?). If I was, hypothetically speaking, buying a bike based on the information given on their site, I would mostly feel very unsure what I was buying, I wouldn't know what they are trying to sell me. Some other companies give much better, clearer picture of their designs etc, and that is appealing. I'm not saying though, that it's any worse than with other BIG brands, as I don't know.

    To me they give very cheap image in all possible ways, but perhaps that's what they are going for? Works for their target market? I don't know. It took me some time to realize they have my bike. I like their bike design(s), I hope you understand this part before getting into the bandwagon again.

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