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    Tyres for Reign

    Just bought a pair of nevegal 2.1 DTC tyres off ebay to replace my rapidly wearing 2.3 bulldogs. Ive fitted them to the rims but havent managed to get a ride on them yet. The reason for this post is that I was suprised that when i took the bulldogs off, they were actually wire bead, not foldable. I always thought they came as foldable on the 2005 R2.

    Next i weighed them on a fairly accuarate set of kitchen scales and was suprised again to find they weigh 850 grams each ! No wonder they felt sluggish. The 2.1 Nevegals weighed 735 grams ( wire bead also ) on the same set of scales, so im hoping for a bit more acceleration and less pedaling resistance. The other thing i noted in the swap is that the actual tread on the two tyres was the same width. Havent measured them yet but either the bulldogs are smaller than 2.3 or the nevegals are larger than 2.1. the actual volume of the casing does seem a little larger on the bulldogs though.

    Has any body else weighed their 2.3 bulldogs ? And are they wire bead or foldable ? Also if any body is running 2.1 Nevegal DTC on their Reign, what tyre pressures, rider weight and terrain are you riding ? Thanks.

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    The Nevegals are a wider than said tire. I just got 2, a 1.95 DTC and 2.1 Stick-E and the 1.95 was 2" and the 2.1 was about 2.2". Hope you're not expecting the Nevegals to really last any longer than the Bulldogs, 'cause the compound is way softer. These tire really hooked up well in the 2 rides I've done on them, but am not looking forward to how fast they wear, especially for a $33 US tire :|
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    I'm running 2.3 Nev's in stick-e rubber here on the Front Range in CO.

    Incredible grip for the weight, but they do roll very very slow on smooth hardpack and flat ground. Not a good rolling terrain tire IMHO, but work well for the steep & loose up/down conditions on the Front Range. I really like the breakaway of this tire combo - very predictable and communicative.

    I was using a 2.3 BG up front and a 2.1 Nev (both sticky) for a while and that rolled a lot faster, but didn't bulldoze rock gardens as well.
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    Nevegals 2.1 at what pressure?

    I am about to put the Nevegal 2.1s (kevlar bead) on my Reign (tomorrow - I had planned to do it before today's ride). What would most people advise as to a starting pressure?

    I was not pleased with the Bulldogs. However, they did perform much better at 29-31 PSI.

    My area is mostly hard pack, loose sand and lots of tree roots.

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    i ordered a set of Geax Sturdy 26x2.25's from www.phantomcycles.com.au

    I will keep you posted on how they go. they are supposed to be excellent.

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    Nevegals on reign

    Lynx, thanks for the reply. I only spent $50 Aussie for the pair ( approx $35 US ) so if they wear really fast i wont be too bummed out. Looking forward to giving them a go this weekend.

    Ive also just measued the bulldogs and nevegal. Bulldog 2.3 is actually 53mm (2.08 inches) and the 2.1 nevegals are actually 53mm also. These measurements are taken from the extremities of the tread. The bulldogs sidewall is further out than the tread and the nevegal has the tread wider than the sidewall.

    Steve71, maybe the DTC will roll a little quicker than the sticky ? Any way they are on now, I will see how they go.

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    and I run Schwalbe Big Betty 2.4 tires good but I wouldn;t call them exceptional...
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    The Bulldogs that came on my R1 are folding , not sure of the weight , but they feel pretty light.

    I'm currently running 2.3 Nevegals in Stick E compound and like others have said , they are a little slow rolling even with 35psi in them. The upside is that even at this pressure , they are awesome in loose gravel. A little light in the sidewall , but as I'm running them tubeless , pinch flats aren't a problem. The terrain around here is generally loose over hardpack , sandy or rocky. I'm a bit worried that the rocky sections will rip knobs off , but so far no probs there.

    I think the trade off for grip is high rolling resistance , at least in the case of the Nevegals.

    I wanted to get DTC compound , but there were none in Aus when I ordered.

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    Just a little clarification and update on ther Nevegals. The Nevegals come in two different version - normal Stick-E and the DTC racing dual compound. The normal Nevegals tire pressure range (according to Kenda) is the norm 40-65 PSI and the whole tire is the same compound accross (very damn soft and sticky) On the other hand the DTC version's PSI range is 30-80 and they have a slightly harder compound i the centre which helps the tire roll and wear better (suits as a rear more so if you have to deal with some road riding)

    According to KEnda's site you can get the DTC in 1.95" (lite), 2.10" and 2.35" and to me they are the much better choice for XC riding as you always will end up needing some better rolling resisitance along the flats and climbs. Remember that their tires are slightly bigger than they say.

    I was running my 1.95 DTC a bit over 30 PSI (didin't realise I had a slow leak and had had it at 45 PSI) and the thing stuck to the loose lime stone gully like a fly stuck to fly paper. I've since up the pressure and kept an eye on the leak and top up the pressure and the tire still will climb and stick to anything @ 45 PSI. Because of the larger size of the Nevegal's in the future if I continue to use these tires I will be sticking with the 1.95 DTC versions, for both weight, size and PSI range.

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    Thanks Lynx. I'm going to try mine at 45 psi tonight and see how much better they roll.
    For what its worth , my 2.35 Stick Es have min 30 - max 50 on the sidewall.

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    nevegal pressures

    Just to mix things up a bit, my 2.1 DTC nevegal wire bead tyres recommend 40 - 65 psi on the side wall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pinky
    I'm currently running 2.3 Nevegals in Stick E compound and like others have said , they are a little slow rolling even with 35psi in them. The upside is that even at this pressure , they are awesome in loose gravel. A little light in the sidewall , but as I'm running them tubeless , pinch flats aren't a problem. The terrain around here is generally loose over hardpack , sandy or rocky. I'm a bit worried that the rocky sections will rip knobs off , but so far no probs there.

    I think the trade off for grip is high rolling resistance , at least in the case of the Nevegals.
    Kenda is manufactured from natural rubber. Natural rubber tyres have wax in them to keep them supple when new. Over time the wax leaches out (that’s the white powdery stuff you see on a lot of tyres). This causes the tyre characteristics to change over time as the rubber goes hard and cracks. You see a lot of natural rubber tyres with knobs broken off after a bit of use..

    I'm trying a pair of Geax Lobo Loco 2.3 to see how they compare. Geax is manufactured from compound (chemically manufactured) rubber. It will not go hard or change its characteristics with age. (May not be a prob if the Kenda's wear as fast as everyone says).

    BTW, I hated those Bulldogs. Worst tyres ever. As someone else said, "they great unless you want to turn or stop".

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    Quote Originally Posted by sicwombat
    Just to mix things up a bit, my 2.1 DTC nevegal wire bead tyres recommend 40 - 65 psi on the side wall.
    Must just be the 1.95 DTC Lites then that have that range would seem logical for a XC race tire to handle all the diff possible terrains and rollin you might need. Actually Pinky I was running the 1.95 @ 50 PSI and still got serious traction & smooth ride and much better rolling.

    Anyways who follows those guides anyways (on the low side that is) I have a WTB Motoraptor 2.4" that I've run around 30 PSI no prob, no pinch flats etc and it still rolls really well. Was running it like that over the last little while before I got the Nevegals 'cause of my messed up thumb to try to add some more cush to the front.
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    Well ,I tried them at 45 psi and it made a big difference.

    The rolling resistance became minimal and traction didn't seem to suffer. What I did notice the most was how it made the ride more harsh. Lynx , you spoke of "cush". After riding at the higher pressure , I think I'll suffer the extra rolling resistance and go back to the cush !

    The Reign was a rocket last night , but I was getting beat up and the bike was skipping around in sections I used to flow through nicely. I always thought it was the suspension working well , but it turns out "that extra inch of travel" provided by the 2.35's at ~35 psi made the ride just that little bit nicer.

    I guess the only other option is to play with suspension and soften it up a bit more whilst running 45psi. At least for my local trails which have some rough , rocky sections in them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pinky
    Well ,I tried them at 45 psi and it made a big difference.

    The rolling resistance became minimal and traction didn't seem to suffer. What I did notice the most was how it made the ride more harsh. Lynx , you spoke of "cush". After riding at the higher pressure , I think I'll suffer the extra rolling resistance and go back to the cush !

    The Reign was a rocket last night , but I was getting beat up and the bike was skipping around in sections I used to flow through nicely. I always thought it was the suspension working well , but it turns out "that extra inch of travel" provided by the 2.35's at ~35 psi made the ride just that little bit nicer.

    I guess the only other option is to play with suspension and soften it up a bit more whilst running 45psi. At least for my local trails which have some rough , rocky sections in them.

    Cheers.
    You've just stated something a LOT of people don't realize, tires also add suspension to FS bikes. Probably wouldn't have believed me if I'd just told you, but once you try it for yourself it's a diff story. Don't normally encounter too many rock gardens on my avg ride so the extra pressure helps w/ rolling and as you said traction doesn't suffer just CUSH.
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    Rode The Nevegals Today

    Finally rode the 2.1 nevegal dtc tyres i bought for the reign. WOW ! Cornering traction is amazing. I was able to hold off on the brakes for longer and just lean into the bend with scary speed. Didnt notice much difference in straight line pedalling speed though, compared to the bulldogs, but did notice a slight loss of "cush". Probably due to the change from 2.3 to 2.1 and the change of psi from 35 to 40. 40 is the minimum psi recommended on the nevegals so I dont really want to go any lower. Plus I think they may end up a little slow. To make up for the extra "chattering" over the bumps i did slow down the rebound a little and this helped. NEVEGALS RULE !

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    Quote Originally Posted by sicwombat
    Finally rode the 2.1 nevegal dtc tyres i bought for the reign. WOW ! Cornering traction is amazing. I was able to hold off on the brakes for longer and just lean into the bend with scary speed. Didnt notice much difference in straight line pedalling speed though, compared to the bulldogs, but did notice a slight loss of "cush". Probably due to the change from 2.3 to 2.1 and the change of psi from 35 to 40. 40 is the minimum psi recommended on the nevegals so I dont really want to go any lower. Plus I think they may end up a little slow. To make up for the extra "chattering" over the bumps i did slow down the rebound a little and this helped. NEVEGALS RULE !
    Yeh aren't they great As for PSI I don't think that if you drop at least the front to 35 PSI that it will give you any troubles, and RR on a front tire doesn't effect you nearly as much as the rear. The sidewalls are really thin so don't know what running tubed under pressure would do, I know I normally run all my tires fairly below recomended most of the time (just didn't know as I didn't have apressure gauge, have 1 now that's how I figured this out) and most of the time they've held up pretty good.
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    At 150lb I can run 24//30psi F/R on my 2.3 Nevs. The wife at 120lb runs 16/25.
    They really come into their own at low pressures IMHO, but the rolling resistance does suffer. Not to mention you have to look out for square edge stuff a little more. I guess it really comes down to what sort of terrain your riding though.

    As far as I know, running lower pressures does increase grip. The lower pressures gives a larger contact patch and the tire has the ability to conform to whatever its rolling over.

    Where abouts do you ride in Australia sicwombat? I lived in Brisbane and Sydney for awhile.... even did some DH in thredbo a few times.
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    steve71....

    Where abouts do you ride in Australia sicwombat? I lived in Brisbane and Sydney for awhile.... even did some DH in thredbo a few times.[/QUOTE]

    Steve71, I live in Melbourne and ride mainly around Lysterfield ( Location for the 2006 commonwealth games track). Sometimes head out to Healsville. I try to avoid the actual games track at Lysterfield though and ride the other single track in the area. Probably could have got away with a trance rather than reign as there is not much in the way of drops or jumps. Would love to head out to the you yangs though, Ive heard some good things about the trails there.

    Loving the reign though and at least i know that when i do tackle some more "reign terrain" that the bike will handle it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sicwombat
    Loving the reign though and at least i know that when i do tackle some more "reign terrain" that the bike will handle it.
    Is Mt. Buller close to you at all? I never ridden there, but I'd image that it would put the Reign to the test.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve71
    Is Mt. Buller close to you at all? I never ridden there, but I'd image that it would put the Reign to the test.
    Steve71, Buller is a good 3 to 4 hours drive away, so its a full day trip. Would be nice though. Its definetly on my to do list, along with the You Yangs and Beechworth. Ive heard all these places rock. Although Lysterfield is fairly tame, its only 20 minutes drive away.

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    I go to Buller a bit during summer. The Reign would handle the trails okay but a chainguide would be handy up there. Its pretty rough when you let it rip , but there are plenty of riders having a go on hardtails and non DH bikes up there.

    Theres a trail there called Klingsporn. It goes all the way down the mountain , about a 20 minute ride on 90% singletrack with about 1500 metre elevation drop ! The Reign would be perfect for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pinky
    Theres a trail there called Klingsporn. It goes all the way down the mountain , about a 20 minute ride on 90% singletrack with about 1500 metre elevation drop ! The Reign would be perfect for it.
    Sounds wicked! Do you have any pics to share?
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    Yeah sure , these pics are old but the trails haven't changed too much. There has been some new shore sections added to a trail called Yellow Post recently , but I havent ridden them yet. Should be going up there soon though , might get a new batch of pics while we're there.

    These are all on the"International" trail. Very rocky and tech , hard enough on a DH rig let alone on a trail bike ! The other trail is called "abom". Its easier but still rutted and fast.

    $39 for a lift ticket , its a bargain !
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    Thanks for the photos! Looks pretty freaking fun. A lot better than the stuff at Thredbo (but I guess that place has changed a lot since I was there??).
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