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    1st ride on my X1 yesterday. After swapping out Bars for the shorter Truvativ Stylo WC (690mm) which also have a lower rise and swapping the 90mm stem for an 80mm (I still have to 70mm on order), I hit my local trails.

    I started off riding up some steep stuff and was impressed how well the bike climbed, I managed to clean a steep technical uphill track which I sometimes ride as a quick way into the park. One thing I did notice was a bit of wheel spin having positioned my seat more forward. Once I was at the top I rode some good singletrack downhill to the bottom of the park. I wasn't initially blown away with the DH performance, the bike though did definitely feel a lot more agile than the AX29er.

    At the bottom I checked my air settings for my forks and shock, they were setup as recommended 20% sag. I removed some air and set them to 30% sag and rode that DH again. This time I was blown away, the bike absolutely railed, very fast. I can say its rare that I can jump on a new bike and feel immediately at home with it.

    Throughout yesterday's ride though I couldnt help but wonder what the bike would feel like with a 130mm for 140mm fork. I found the bike does feel a bit steep with the 120mm fork, much like my Trance 26er did (I put a 140mm fork on it). I think a Revelation 140mm reduced to 130mm might be the business and not compromise the length of the bike too much.

    The other thing I didn't like was the amount of noise the bike made from the internal cable routing rattling around in the frame

    and without a doubt the bike needs a shorter (70mm) stem

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    Quote Originally Posted by rafalwspin View Post
    I found this is MBR, January issue. They tested X1. "More annoyingly, SRAM's Type-2 rear derailleur makes a loud clunking sound every time the suspension compresses, because the lower section of the chain tugs on the rear mech and causes the clutch to relese," No one mentioned this before. Can someone deflate shock and check, please?
    Interesting. I'd been hearing a muffled clunk while riding and couldn't narrow down what it was. After reading this I explored the bike a bit more and found their assertion to be accurate. It is most definitely the roller clutch on the X9 rear derailleur. Have to say I'm not very impressed.

    For what it's worth, you can't hear it on the trail. Only on pavement. Not a big deal.
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    Is this problem only with Sram, or with Shimano plus as well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rafalwspin View Post
    Is this problem only with Sram, or with Shimano plus as well?
    That isn't a problem with Shimano Shadow+.

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    Got to ride an X1, albeit only in a neighborhood around the shop.

    My local shop has a medium in stock. I'm 6'1" and they said it fit fine. Of course I worry if they are just trying to get me to buy this one instead of ordering a large. I don't mind waiting at all, just want the right size.

    Gotta say it felt pretty good, but don't know which I should get. On one hand the medium has a super short wheelbase. Be great for manueverability. But am I sacrificing stability? I'd hate to get it on a downhill and fell like I'm gonna go over the bars.

    Maybe a large with a shorter stem would be better. But then the wheelbase is longer and may not be as agile.

    ARRRRGH! wish thhey had both in stock. Hate having to choose like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by richulr View Post
    Got to ride an X1, albeit only in a neighborhood around the shop.

    My local shop has a medium in stock. I'm 6'1" and they said it fit fine. Of course I worry if they are just trying to get me to buy this one instead of ordering a large. I don't mind waiting at all, just want the right size.

    Gotta say it felt pretty good, but don't know which I should get. On one hand the medium has a super short wheelbase. Be great for manueverability. But am I sacrificing stability? I'd hate to get it on a downhill and fell like I'm gonna go over the bars.

    Maybe a large with a shorter stem would be better. But then the wheelbase is longer and may not be as agile.

    ARRRRGH! wish thhey had both in stock. Hate having to choose like this.
    I'm 6'1" as well and my lbs told me that puts me right in the middle for a large. I think a medium would be to small for you. I even demoed an XL on 5 miles of single track and it didn't feel that bad. 32" inseam, btw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CCMTB View Post
    I'm 6'1" as well and my lbs told me that puts me right in the middle for a large. I think a medium would be to small for you. I even demoed an XL on 5 miles of single track and it didn't feel that bad. 32" inseam, btw.
    thanks for the reply. Like to hear what others think since I can't demo various sizes

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    Hi
    I don't Ride Trances anymore, But Have owned a heap of bikes, Niners at the moment.

    I'm 6ft on the button & I ride Lge 29er's, I have had med as well.

    The med is getting small for you, I have a friend that is just over 6ft & rides a Med Trance X29, But he runs his seat much lower than me.

    His seat is arround 740mm were as I run mine at 800mm, I find with the Lge It is easyer for me to keep the front wheel on the ground on very steep climbs & don't get the going over the bars feel on steep drops.

    So IMO unless you run your seat at 740mm high of less don't even look at the Med.

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    Quote Originally Posted by richulr View Post
    Got to ride an X1, albeit only in a neighborhood around the shop.

    My local shop has a medium in stock. I'm 6'1" and they said it fit fine. Of course I worry if they are just trying to get me to buy this one instead of ordering a large. I don't mind waiting at all, just want the right size.

    Gotta say it felt pretty good, but don't know which I should get. On one hand the medium has a super short wheelbase. Be great for manueverability. But am I sacrificing stability? I'd hate to get it on a downhill and fell like I'm gonna go over the bars.

    Maybe a large with a shorter stem would be better. But then the wheelbase is longer and may not be as agile.

    ARRRRGH! wish thhey had both in stock. Hate having to choose like this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by richulr View Post
    thanks for the reply. Like to hear what others think since I can't demo various sizes
    I agree with the other two responses and think a medium may be too small for you. I'm a bit taller at 6'3" and waffled between the L and X/L riding both multiple times before settling with the X/L. I really felt like I had a bit more room on the X/L and honestly could not tell any difference in handling between the two.

    That said, it a personal choice, but I would definitely ride a large before making a decision.

    Good luck

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    Quote Originally Posted by richulr View Post
    Got to ride an X1, albeit only in a neighborhood around the shop.

    My local shop has a medium in stock. I'm 6'1" and they said it fit fine. Of course I worry if they are just trying to get me to buy this one instead of ordering a large. I don't mind waiting at all, just want the right size.

    Gotta say it felt pretty good, but don't know which I should get. On one hand the medium has a super short wheelbase. Be great for manueverability. But am I sacrificing stability? I'd hate to get it on a downhill and fell like I'm gonna go over the bars.

    Maybe a large with a shorter stem would be better. But then the wheelbase is longer and may not be as agile.

    ARRRRGH! wish thhey had both in stock. Hate having to choose like this.
    Your shop needs a reality check. You should absolutely not be on a medium frame. Tell your LBS that they shouldn't be pushing a sale just because that bike is the only one they have on the floor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by richulr View Post
    Got to ride an X1, albeit only in a neighborhood around the shop.

    My local shop has a medium in stock. I'm 6'1" and they said it fit fine. Of course I worry if they are just trying to get me to buy this one instead of ordering a large. I don't mind waiting at all, just want the right size.

    Gotta say it felt pretty good, but don't know which I should get. On one hand the medium has a super short wheelbase. Be great for manueverability. But am I sacrificing stability? I'd hate to get it on a downhill and fell like I'm gonna go over the bars.

    Maybe a large with a shorter stem would be better. But then the wheelbase is longer and may not be as agile.

    ARRRRGH! wish thhey had both in stock. Hate having to choose like this.
    Before you spend your hard earned on a new bike and for your own peace of mind, I would suggest a test ride on the large first.

    I had a similar query to yourself - medium or large Trance X29?, so a few months ago I did a back to back test ride of each at a GIANT test ride day. (BTW - I'm 6' and 34" inseam) Medium was ok, but the large just felt better; it felt spot on actually.

    Do yourself a favour and get a ride on the large size. Then you will be confident which size works best for you.

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    problem is no one has a large. Heck, this medium is the only one I've ever seen.

    On your guys advice, I'll go large. They told me they'd switch the stem for free. Maybe a large and a shorter stem is the way to go for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by richulr View Post
    problem is no one has a large. Heck, this medium is the only one I've ever seen.

    On your guys advice, I'll go large. They told me they'd switch the stem for free. Maybe a large and a shorter stem is the way to go for me.
    Sounds good to me, that Is how I have set up my Jet9 RDO & really like it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by richulr View Post
    problem is no one has a large. Heck, this medium is the only one I've ever seen.

    On your guys advice, I'll go large. They told me they'd switch the stem for free. Maybe a large and a shorter stem is the way to go for me.
    They could definitely order one in. They are not sold out.
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    Anyone know how much the stock Giant Connect SL, Low Rise, 31.8 bars on the X291 weigh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by eruizela View Post
    Anyone know how much the stock Giant Connect SL, Low Rise, 31.8 bars on the X291 weigh?
    Giant Connect SL Riser Handlebar (Handlebars) - Bike Gear | Giant Bicycles | United States

    This is the aftermarket link, but I'm pretty sure the bars on the stock X1 are 720s, which are not listed. If you extrapolate the weights v. lengths, though, it's probably around 275 grams.

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    Just ordered mine today (X1 large) from my lbs and I'm really jazzed to officially join the fray here, esp the pic thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CCMTB View Post
    Just ordered mine today (X1 large) from my lbs and I'm really jazzed to officially join the fray here, esp the pic thread.
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    I also just ordered my trance 29 x1. Can't wait!!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaussy View Post
    I also just ordered my trance 29 x1. Can't wait!!!!!!!
    Congrats to you, too. You guys will just love it.
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    I have an x1 and bought a bbg bashgaurd I installed it on the outside of the big ring used stock bolts took washers off. I had to adjust the derailer up to clear the gaurd but now it's to high and rubs a little when on small ring. Is anyone running a bashgaurd on there tx29x1. Not sure if I installed it correctly or it's just made to replace big ring and I have it rigged up. I tried uploading pics but it won't let me for some reason? Any opinions thanks my first 2x10

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    I recently purchased a Trance x29er X0 and have some questions about running the P-TRX rims tubeless.

    I got the bike shop to setup tubeless when I first got the bike, however I am loosing around 1psi of pressure each day in both tires and the front tire has already burped off the rim a couple of times.

    I'm running 25-28 psi front and 30-32 psi rear and only weigh 62kg.

    In the box with manuals / spares I got with the bike there are 2 rolls of double sided tape & 2 red DT Swiss rim strips. Do you have to use these rim strips when setting the P-TRX rims up as tubeless?

    Has anyone found they are still getting lots of punctures & leaks when running tubeless with stans sealant? I already have 3 patches on the inside of my rear nobby nic tire because the stans would not seal the puncture and just kept squirting out without sealing. All these punctures have only been a few mm long small cuts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by weeman View Post
    I recently purchased a Trance x29er X0 and have some questions about running the P-TRX rims tubeless.

    I got the bike shop to setup tubeless when I first got the bike, however I am loosing around 1psi of pressure each day in both tires and the front tire has already burped off the rim a couple of times.

    I'm running 25-28 psi front and 30-32 psi rear and only weigh 62kg.

    In the box with manuals / spares I got with the bike there are 2 rolls of double sided tape & 2 red DT Swiss rim strips. Do you have to use these rim strips when setting the P-TRX rims up as tubeless?

    Has anyone found they are still getting lots of punctures & leaks when running tubeless with stans sealant? I already have 3 patches on the inside of my rear nobby nic tire because the stans would not seal the puncture and just kept squirting out without sealing. All these punctures have only been a few mm long small cuts.
    Errggggh ..... bow bow !!!

    If the LBS hasnt installed the DTSwiss tape then theres the problem. Factory fits the red tape so someone has either NOT installed it in the factory or the LBS has pulled it off.
    If the punctures arent sealing you havent got enough sealant in them. Simple as that.
    Your tyre pressures seem a bit too low. If this is your first 29er then you need to reset your thinking with regards to PSI and lift them up. All this crap about running lower PSI with TL is wrong. Low PSI will burp every time and depending on the situation that caused the burp, you WILL need to clean the rim bead before attempting a reseal.
    SCHWALBEs will "snap" up tight if seated correctly and the red tape is the only way to achieve this.

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    For those of you w/ X0's, what kind of extras should I expect? I got a generic Giant manual, and IIRC one for the adj. post, some reflectors, and the tubeless valves. No shock pump, suspension setup guide, or anything else - is that right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cms_atx View Post
    For those of you w/ X0's, what kind of extras should I expect? I got a generic Giant manual, and IIRC one for the adj. post, some reflectors, and the tubeless valves. No shock pump, suspension setup guide, or anything else - is that right?
    Be thankful you got the Adj seatpost one. I didnt. Any chance you could scan it and post it up???

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    My X0 came with tubes and I converted it to tubeless myself. All I needed was Stan's sealant because my bike comes with the tubeless valves. No tape needed as the rims are already set for tubeless and so are the tires. No air loss so far and it's been weeks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tonyride1 View Post
    My X0 came with tubes and I converted it to tubeless myself. All I needed was Stan's sealant because my bike comes with the tubeless valves. No tape needed as the rims are already set for tubeless and so are the tires. No air loss so far and it's been weeks.
    Did you find the tire hard to seal on the rims? Even with an air compressor mine were hard to seat and if I let all the air out the beads fall away from the rim making it impossible to pump up a completely flat tire with a hand pump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pharcyde View Post
    Be thankful you got the Adj seatpost one. I didnt. Any chance you could scan it and post it up???
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    Quote Originally Posted by weeman View Post
    Did you find the tire hard to seal on the rims? Even with an air compressor mine were hard to seat and if I let all the air out the beads fall away from the rim making it impossible to pump up a completely flat tire with a hand pump.
    Using an air compressor the first time you set them up is fairly normal, I normally don't NEED one but it sure does make it easier!

    It sounds like they may not have been setup properly from the LBS and from the start. If I were you id get familiar with the techniques needed to setup tubeless yourself and just re-do them properly. Just Goto Stans website as they have good tutorial videos on how to properly set them up.

    As said you shouldn't need patches at all, that would defeat the purpose of the sealant in the first place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by weeman View Post
    Did you find the tire hard to seal on the rims? Even with an air compressor mine were hard to seat and if I let all the air out the beads fall away from the rim making it impossible to pump up a completely flat tire with a hand pump.
    Like others, I use a compressor to seat the tire to the rim. Once you hear the popping sound you know it's seated. Then you let the air escape and add the sealant (~2 ounces) and pump it up with a regular pump. I pumped it up to around 40 lbs. to keep the bead seated firmly against the rim and then did the shake and rotate of the wheel. After a day or two I let some air out and then monitor the air pressure from time to time. So far so good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by weeman View Post
    I recently purchased a Trance x29er X0 and have some questions about running the P-TRX rims tubeless.

    I got the bike shop to setup tubeless when I first got the bike, however I am loosing around 1psi of pressure each day in both tires and the front tire has already burped off the rim a couple of times.

    I'm running 25-28 psi front and 30-32 psi rear and only weigh 62kg.

    In the box with manuals / spares I got with the bike there are 2 rolls of double sided tape & 2 red DT Swiss rim strips. Do you have to use these rim strips when setting the P-TRX rims up as tubeless?

    Has anyone found they are still getting lots of punctures & leaks when running tubeless with stans sealant? I already have 3 patches on the inside of my rear nobby nic tire because the stans would not seal the puncture and just kept squirting out without sealing. All these punctures have only been a few mm long small cuts.
    Ok, 1 by 1:

    - The 1lb loss I wouldn't be *that* worried about but the source of the air loss is what you need to find. It's either the tape job or the tire bead. Are you getting sealant weeping along the sides of the tires or are they totally dry/clean?

    - Do the tape and rim strips look like these? DT Swiss - Tubeless Kit

    The short answer to your question is YES. If Giant designed the wheels in conjunction with DT Swiss, and the tape and the rim strips are spec for a successful tubeless setup per the mfg recommendations, then your lbs needs to redo the job. My GUESS is that they used 1 layer of Stan's tape to cover the spoke holes and a couple ounces of sealant. This will seal a tire that's static but once you start riding the bead is slipping out of the hook and burping. The rim strip is designed to wedge the tire bead deeper into the hook and make it more resistant to slipping out and burping. This is a safety issue and a legal liability for the bike shop. If you paid for this I'd go back to the lbs and tell them to redo the job using the DT Swiss stuff.

    - I had a similar experience with my first go at tubeless (from a local shop) and now I only do it myself.

    - Stan's should be sealing those types of punctures. I usually run with 3 scoops in the tire here in AZ. Never had an issue, but I've never run with Schwalbe tires.
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    Quote Originally Posted by weeman View Post
    Did you find the tire hard to seal on the rims? Even with an air compressor mine were hard to seat and if I let all the air out the beads fall away from the rim making it impossible to pump up a completely flat tire with a hand pump.
    Just read this post...

    If your beads are falling away from the rim when you deflate the tire that's a HUGE problem (and a safety problem). No wonder you're burping!! When I read your original post I thought it was very strange that you were burping at those tire pressures and your body weight. I weigh 200lbs with no gear, and regularly run my front tire (on a Stan's Arch rim) at 22 psi with zero issues. You have a setup problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MTBeing View Post
    Ok, 1 by 1:

    - Do the tape and rim strips look like these?
    Yes that is the rim strip I have (2 sets of the double sided tape and red rim strip). Although I also have manuals for rockshock suspension when my bike has fox so I don't know if the rim strips are for my bike or not.

    This was the first trance that the LBS setup as tubeless and I don't really trust them to know if my model needs the rim strips or not.

    I've got both rims off the bike atm so will probably install the rimstrips tonight and see how it goes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by weeman View Post
    Yes that is the rim strip I have (2 sets of the double sided tape and red rim strip). Although I also have manuals for rockshock suspension when my bike has fox so I don't know if the rim strips are for my bike or not.

    This was the first trance that the LBS setup as tubeless and I don't really trust them to know if my model needs the rim strips or not.

    I've got both rims off the bike atm so will probably install the rimstrips tonight and see how it goes.

    Find a new LBS .... your dealing with a bunch of kooks!!! Giant Australia would be very interested to know what isnt happening at the bike setup stage of their product.

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    Quote Originally Posted by weeman View Post
    Yes that is the rim strip I have (2 sets of the double sided tape and red rim strip). Although I also have manuals for rockshock suspension when my bike has fox so I don't know if the rim strips are for my bike or not.

    This was the first trance that the LBS setup as tubeless and I don't really trust them to know if my model needs the rim strips or not.

    I've got both rims off the bike atm so will probably install the rimstrips tonight and see how it goes.
    Keep in mind that you ultimately need a strong, air-tight seal between the rim and tire.DUH, right? See, some "rim strips" are merely there to protect the inner tube from the abrasiveness of the drilled spoke holes but do no provide any tubeless functionality.

    Other "Rim Strips" (i.e Stan's) are there to (1) provide a seal between the spoke holes, and (2) provide an interfering 'ledge' whereby the tire bead is squeezed in between the rim strip and the top hook of the rim providing an interference fit to the tire bead and the rim. When you combine this interference fit and the sealant (to fill the super small imperfections) you have a great tubeless setup. It sounds like you don't have enough interference in the bead hook area. The bead just flops around.

    Keep us posted on your progress please.

    Edit: The lbs' excuse that it's their first TX29 tubeless setup is bogus. Tubeless is tubeless. They need to consult with their Giant rep and have him/her go over the procedures with them. I can guarantee you, never having set up Giant rims tubeless before, that I'll get it right first time (w/ P-XC2 rims), and post pictures/proof here on the forums of the whole process.
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    Looking on the Giant website it doesn't mention rim strips for the P-TRX wheelset:

    FEATURES:
    Light and durable proprietary G69 alloy 29er rims
    Tubeless ready using supplied valves
    28mm wide rim for better large tire performance
    DT Aero Comp bladed stainless steel spokes - 28 front/rear (3-cross)
    DT Pro Lock alloy nipples
    Giant alloy hub shells, 6-bolt disc compatible, DT internals
    36T SL star ratchet with 10į engagement
    Compatible with SRAM XX1 1x11 drivetrain using an optional DT Swiss XD Driver body.
    1795 grams per pair

    Where as for the P-XCR it does:

    Lightweight alloy 29er rims
    Tubeless compatible using supplied rim strips and valves
    24mm wide rim for better tire performance
    DT Competition stainless steel spokes - 28 front/rear (3-cross)
    DT alloy nipples
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    Are there any spoke drill holes along the center channel of the rim? Can you take a picture of what you have here? Sounds as if you're like Post #726
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    Are there any spoke drill holes along the center channel of the rim? Can you take a picture of what you have here? Sounds as if you're like Post #726
    All the spoke holes are covered.

    Here is a pic of the rim:

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    And here is a pic showing how the tire bead falls away from the rim when flat. I pumped the tire up this morning without sealant to check for leaks (there were a few small ones hence why its deflated) and this is how I found the tire this afternoon. As soon as the tire looses enough pressure the bead separates from the rim:

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    I saw the pics and it definitely looks like the rims are sealed and one would think that you'd only need valves. That said the tire falling away from the rim bothers me.

    I would tell your shop about this and ask them about the unused parts. It probably couldn't hurt to throw the rim strips in and air up the tire again (with a couple scoops of Stan's) and see if that makes a difference. That's what I would try, but of course I'm advising from afar. If you haven't been to the Stan's website and watched the videos, do that as well. There's lots of good info specifically in the "tubeless kit" video (except for drilling your rims). If you watch the "ZTR Tire Install" video, that's what it should look/feel like getting a tire off a rim.

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    I know some of you will be a bit biased, however I am having a hard time making up my mind between TX29er and its 26" variant. Iv ridden both and like both, I seem a bit more at home on the 26" but that might be because im coming off a 28" HT. I believe I am renting a TX29 on saturday, but like ive said before im having a hard time choosing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by akaBrowntown View Post
    I know some of you will be a bit biased, however I am having a hard time making up my mind between TX29er and its 26" variant. Iv ridden both and like both, I seem a bit more at home on the 26" but that might be because im coming off a 28" HT. I believe I am renting a TX29 on saturday, but like ive said before im having a hard time choosing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by akaBrowntown View Post
    I know some of you will be a bit biased, however I am having a hard time making up my mind between TX29er and its 26" variant. Iv ridden both and like both, I seem a bit more at home on the 26" but that might be because im coming off a 28" HT. I believe I am renting a TX29 on saturday, but like ive said before im having a hard time choosing.
    If you're gonna bomb down alot and want more playfulness from the bike then a 26 may be the right call. If you're gonna do more epic XC and longer rides where you need a the benefits of the 29" wheels over a longer period of time, then maybe it's a 29. If you're a taller dude, then maybe a 29" as well. Whatever you're more comfortable with, tho.
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    Quote Originally Posted by akaBrowntown View Post
    I know some of you will be a bit biased, however I am having a hard time making up my mind between TX29er and its 26" variant. Iv ridden both and like both, I seem a bit more at home on the 26" but that might be because im coming off a 28" HT. I believe I am renting a TX29 on saturday, but like ive said before im having a hard time choosing.
    As someone with both the 26" and 29" version of the Trance X I would say that each has their own pros and cons so it all depends on where you ride and how you ride. There are lots of different places for me to ride with different trail types and conditions so I find that having both is nice. 29ers are great for going over bumps, logs, long fast stretches, and long fast descends. 26er are better on tight twisties and rock gardens as they're more agile. I thought I was going to sell my Trance X1 when I got my Trance 29er XO but then decided to keep it. Love them both.
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    I set up my tx29er XO tubeless myself and have never had so much trouble getting a tire to seat on the bead. I have done several sets of wheels tubeless, both ghetto style and tubeless specific, and getting the nobby nics to bead was a pain! I had to use a compressor, and even then one of them took a heap of jiggery pokery before seating. And, as mentioned above, the bead falls away from the rim as soon as it is deflated.

    One of them, after having been used for a few weeks with a tube would not seal because of a tiny cut that just sprays stans everywhere. The cut is maybe 4mm long? I have never seen stans fail to seal such a small hole. I figured it was just me, but after reading through the above posts I wonder if the NN's that come with the bikes are a cheaper, nastier OEM version than those you buy individually? It is my first time running NN's though.

    I replaced the cut NN with a Racing Ralph installed tubeless on the rear and it went on easily.

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    Not satisfied with Brakes on the x1 does anyone know what kind of pads are stock I'm going to try different pads just not sure what to change to. I'm thinking of trying organic. The stock pads are loud no modulation or power and not to mention if its wet out. Any advise would help I was also thinking of maybe different rotors too. I just really hate to have to upgrade whole brake system after dropping good coin on new bike. I'm sure others are dealing with this hope to find a cheap solution.

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    Not satisfied with Brakes on the x1 does anyone know what kind of pads are stock I'm going to try different pads just not sure what to change to. I'm thinking of trying organic. The stock pads are loud no modulation or power and not to mention if its wet out. Any advise would help I was also thinking of maybe different rotors too. I just really hate to have to upgrade whole brake system after dropping good coin on new bike. I'm sure others are dealing with this hope to find a cheap solution.
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    Thanks mtbeing lots of info in that thread after reading for hours I think my best bet is to call avids customer service and see if they'll send me some organic pads

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaymx410 View Post
    Not satisfied with Brakes on the x1 does anyone know what kind of pads are stock I'm going to try different pads just not sure what to change to. I'm thinking of trying organic. The stock pads are loud no modulation or power and not to mention if its wet out. Any advise would help I was also thinking of maybe different rotors too. I just really hate to have to upgrade whole brake system after dropping good coin on new bike. I'm sure others are dealing with this hope to find a cheap solution.
    I ended up getting a pair of shimano deore M596 from my LBS for a good price, they were stripped off one of their build kits. Now just need to sell the avids to make bake some of the money... relatively cheap solution... muuuch better brakes.

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    Craig sounds like a good choice I would feel bad selling these avids to anyone haha I'm gona try a couple cheap attempts to make they work if that don't work I will be replacing them too

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaymx410 View Post
    Not satisfied with Brakes on the x1 does anyone know what kind of pads are stock I'm going to try different pads just not sure what to change to. I'm thinking of trying organic. The stock pads are loud no modulation or power and not to mention if its wet out. Any advise would help I was also thinking of maybe different rotors too. I just really hate to have to upgrade whole brake system after dropping good coin on new bike. I'm sure others are dealing with this hope to find a cheap solution.
    Had the same thing my 2012 Anthem X 29. Replaced stock pads with a set of Serfas pads from Jenson for $8 per wheel - difference between night and day. Stock pads were noisy, had grinding feel, crapped out when wet, squeaked under extended use, the Serfas pads are night/day difference. I'd suggest them as a right away replacement for all the stock Avid brakes....

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    Thanks Ollie I am shopping for pads now hope for same results

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaymx410 View Post
    Thanks Ollie I am shopping for pads now hope for same results
    Here's the direct link: Serfas Avid Elixir Disc Brake Pads > Components > Brakes > Brake Pads | Jenson USA Online Bike Shop

    Some claim they wear faster than OEM, but all claim (including myself) that they are much better pads. For the price if you do end of needing 2 pairs/season, still well worth it.

    FYI, These are for all Avid Elixir brakes... for Trance or Anthem X with Avid...

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    I have one from a 2012 Anthem and one from a 2013 Trance

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    I have one from a 2012 Anthem and one from a 2013 Trance
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    Hi all,

    Got rid of my RIP 9 frame and forks a while back, didn't really get on with it and used the bits that came off it to build a rigid AIR 9. Having done that I am missing having an FS.

    Been looking at the Trance X1 over the past week and it does appeal to me, price is good for the frame forks and shock but the stock components don't flick my switch. They can all be changed at my leisure.

    Just took a good while to skim through all the pages of this thread and to be honest cant really find any faults being bought up.

    A few question i have if someone would be so kind to answer them?

    How easy is it to route the cables through the internal routing? Are there internal guides/tubes? My old klein Attitude was a nightmare!

    Whats the dropper post like compared to others? is it worth keeping initially or getting rid while it's new and go for a Reverb or the likes?

    I read here that the wheels are tubeless ready and should come with valves, Does the X1 come with these or just the higher specced ones?

    I'm sure I will have more questions but cheers in advance

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    My Trance X 29er 0 has been great, only initial complaint was internal cable rattle, but I'm used to it now. The bike is very quiet and has no chain slap, so the cable noise stood out a bit at first. Don't believe there are any internal giudes for the cables, but the shop ran them all internal, so I cant say for sure.

    It's my first dropper post and has been great, but can't comment on the performance of others.

    My X0 is tubeless ready and came with valves, I just got my stans sealant yesterday and am going to convert here shortly. The XT group is very nice and the XO has the upgraded wheelset which retail for close to $1k on Giants website, so the difference between the the X1 and X0 are the XT group and the wheelset.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gruffalo View Post
    Hi all,

    Got rid of my RIP 9 frame and forks a while back, didn't really get on with it and used the bits that came off it to build a rigid AIR 9. Having done that I am missing having an FS.

    Been looking at the Trance X1 over the past week and it does appeal to me, price is good for the frame forks and shock but the stock components don't flick my switch. They can all be changed at my leisure.
    Bang for the buck, the Trance X1 is hands down the best bike of the Trance line.
    Just took a good while to skim through all the pages of this thread and to be honest cant really find any faults being bought up.
    The cables can rattle when internally routed, there are ways to fix this.
    A few question i have if someone would be so kind to answer them?

    How easy is it to route the cables through the internal routing? Are there internal guides/tubes? My old klein Attitude was a nightmare!
    The cables all come internally routed, with the exception of the rear brake and the dropper post. There aren't any internal guides to help. The dropper is a piece of cake, the brake is much harder. If you buy the bike, PM me and I'll give you some tips.
    Whats the dropper post like compared to others? is it worth keeping initially or getting rid while it's new and go for a Reverb or the likes?
    Hang on to the Giant Contact post. It has infinite adjustment, isn't that heavy and tends to work really well.
    I read here that the wheels are tubeless ready and should come with valves, Does the X1 come with these or just the higher specced ones?
    The X1 doesn't come with anything to convert the wheels to tubeless. The X0 does. They are more difficult than other wheels to set up tubeless but they do work well once done.
    I'm sure I will have more questions but cheers in advance
    Hope this helps!
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    Spot on, thanks for the reply.

    Also, thanks for the offer of the tips on routing the cables. I have had plenty of visits to my LBS to look at the bike, tried it on for size on a Turbo Trainer but before I buy I just need to ride up and down the street on it set up for me, just to get the real feel for size.

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    I bought frame only:-) I removed shock to put on scale, and now I have a little problem - in which order are spacer at bottom mount of Fox shock (two wider black, and two smaller silver - which are in middle)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gruffalo View Post
    Hi all,

    Got rid of my RIP 9 frame and forks a while back, didn't really get on with it and used the bits that came off it to build a rigid AIR 9. Having done that I am missing having an FS.

    Been looking at the Trance X1 over the past week and it does appeal to me, price is good for the frame forks and shock but the stock components don't flick my switch. They can all be changed at my leisure.

    Just took a good while to skim through all the pages of this thread and to be honest cant really find any faults being bought up.

    A few question i have if someone would be so kind to answer them?

    How easy is it to route the cables through the internal routing? Are there internal guides/tubes? My old klein Attitude was a nightmare!

    Whats the dropper post like compared to others? is it worth keeping initially or getting rid while it's new and go for a Reverb or the likes?

    I read here that the wheels are tubeless ready and should come with valves, Does the X1 come with these or just the higher specced ones?

    I'm sure I will have more questions but cheers in advance
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    My small X2 came in at 28.5lbs. No pedals, all stock with the exception of tubeless conversion using Stans kit. I plan to put some Stans wheels on in a few months. That'll shave at least 1lb in the most important place...rotational mass.

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    I have a med X2 on the way, super stoked. Went with it over the Anthem because of the slacker ht, and 2x10 setup, aaaand color. :P

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    Anybody found a good bashguard option? I have the X1 with the SRAM cranks.

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    Anybody found a good bashguard option? I have the X1 with the SRAM cranks.
    Bump for Rancid I also have an x1 and am looking for this option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gruffalo View Post
    Hi all,

    Got rid of my RIP 9 frame and forks a while back, didn't really get on with it and used the bits that came off it to build a rigid AIR 9. Having done that I am missing having an FS.

    Been looking at the Trance X1 over the past week and it does appeal to me, price is good for the frame forks and shock but the stock components don't flick my switch. They can all be changed at my leisure.

    Just took a good while to skim through all the pages of this thread and to be honest cant really find any faults being bought up.

    A few question i have if someone would be so kind to answer them?

    How easy is it to route the cables through the internal routing? Are there internal guides/tubes? My old klein Attitude was a nightmare!

    Whats the dropper post like compared to others? is it worth keeping initially or getting rid while it's new and go for a Reverb or the likes?

    I read here that the wheels are tubeless ready and should come with valves, Does the X1 come with these or just the higher specced ones?

    I'm sure I will have more questions but cheers in advance
    I'll weigh in as much as I can contribute...

    1) Routing cables..no clue

    2) Dropper is a nice addition, but I never field tested mine as I removed it and sold it almost immediately. I replaced it with an Easton ea70 and made about $100 net. I wouldn't get rid of it in lieu of another dropper, unless you're overly compelled.

    3) Tubeless: Higher spec'd X0 comes with WheelSystem wheels (TRX, I believe). That said, the X1 wheels (P-XC2) aren't bad at all, and the hubs are quiet. I set mine up tubeless with the stock NN tires no problem. I double-wrapped the wheels in 1" wide Gorilla Tape and used Stan's valves, homebrew sealant and they're holding air wonderfully. They even beaded up and held air with just soapy water on the beads, nothing else. It was a better experience then setting up my Stan's Arch wheels on my other bike, believe it or not.
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    I have a med X2 on the way, super stoked. Went with it over the Anthem because of the slacker ht, and 2x10 setup, aaaand color. :P
    Congrats man! Once you get the suspension dialed in, you'll love the travel and the way it eats up rough terrain. I came from a Shimano 3x9 so the learning curve to Sram 2x10 was pretty big and I'm still learning. Overall, Giant hit a grand slam with this bike and you'll probably agree once you get it out on the trails.
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    Yeah, im taking a happy leap of faith as I wasnt able to rent the 29er. Hoping it comes in tomorrow so I can spend the afternoon riding.

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    Got my my x2 yesterday and promptly took it out. Wow. I thought all the inspires confidence and fast talk was BS. I'm joining the herd and echoing those sentiments. Had a bad crash on my trance x 26er year before last that left my nerves out of sorts. I cleaned new features yesterday I never attempted after my crash. So yes, it does inspire confidence.

    It is fast as well. Really fast, Ive been carrying more speed through some places and am being shocked by how much speed I need to scrub off in a hurry. I ordered Xt brakes that had not yet arrived and really marveled at how the tech had progressed from my 09 stroker trails. The entry level shimanos had me second guessing my XT purchase, but as soon as finger fatigue and cramps creeped up, I understood why they where entry level. When I got home the XTs had arrived , I spent all night trying to route the lines through the frame.. that **** is harder than **** (and i had to do it in reverse.

    I got a XL for my 6'3" stature and the bike felt great; laid back even. Less steep and sketchy than my 26er x , but stand-over specs are a joke when placed next to said 26er - I digress. I was stretched out , but it felt good and the bike climbed well, the tires don't grip so well when leaned but maybe break-in is required. I felt like I was in the attack position but soon my lower back started to ache. Ill see if I get used to it and then consider shortening the stem if not.

    The bike did not climb as well as my 26er but it still cleaned the climbs , a switch in technique is definitely needed. I cant wait to take it back out on the xts!!!

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    Managed to get a Trance 2 off ebay for a good deal all still boxed and never used 29lb stock only changed the seat to my 2010 Specialized Gel for comfort.

    Will resist temptation to mess with it as its my winter/training bike and the extra weight will force me to get fitter

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    Take a few of those spacers off if you can. It'll handle better on steep climbs.

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    Took it back out yesterday. I love it. The tail end is very responsive and easy to manipulate - the front not so much but maybe its the bar width I need to get used. My times are better and for the first time since I had my horrible crash 1.5 years ago, I wasn't afraid of anything and just focused on having fun. The rearward weight bias helps with that, and I have that sitting in the bike feeling. For tall guys this is the way to go.
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    Rancid I bought a bbg bashgaurd bolted over outside of bigger ring used stock bolts with washers removed. Great price and works great just had to adjust front derailer up a bit it actually hold chain from coming off front too ill try and post pics

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    Quote Originally Posted by fontarin View Post
    Take a few of those spacers off if you can. It'll handle better on steep climbs.
    Flipped the stem on mine. I don't like the spacer on top of the stem.

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    I converted my X2 wheels to gorilla/ghetto tubeless. By far the easiest set-up I have converted to date. Iím actually a little apprehensive that it seated up so easy. Did the rear first and beat the piss out of it on the trail Ė no burps, or seeps to speak of. Just did the front yesterday and will trail test tomorrow. When I checked it this morning the pressure was still stable. Upgraded to Full XT ice tech brake setup, and Iím still debating if I should go with one of the new clutch xt/x9 rear mechs or just upgrade to regular x9 like I have experience with in the past. The bike continues to amaze. The stock grips are awful BTW, hand numbness abound. My Ourys should be here today.
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    I rode mine for the first time Wednesday and had some pretty bad chainslap. Bike rode fantastic, and plan on spending a whole day out tomorrow. I did pick up a chain stay protector, and plan on ordering a c-guide soon.

    Also on the front brake I'm getting a "ting" noise about once every revolution. It sounds like pads rubbing the rotor, but can't pin point it. They are the stock shimano m395.

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    Quote Originally Posted by akaBrowntown View Post
    I rode mine for the first time Wednesday and had some pretty bad chainslap. Bike rode fantastic, and plan on spending a whole day out tomorrow. I did pick up a chain stay protector, and plan on ordering a c-guide soon.

    Also on the front brake I'm getting a "ting" noise about once every revolution. It sounds like pads rubbing the rotor, but can't pin point it. They are the stock shimano m395.


    Sounds like pad rub but it isnt? Is that what you are saying. May try taking out the pads and reinstalling. I'm guessing you have the x2 with those brakes. I have not had any chain slap, in fact the only thing on my stays after multiple rides has been dust. Perhaps chain lenght is inconsistent from the factory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ollie_G View Post
    Here's the direct link: Serfas Avid Elixir Disc Brake Pads > Components > Brakes > Brake Pads | Jenson USA Online Bike Shop

    Some claim they wear faster than OEM, but all claim (including myself) that they are much better pads. For the price if you do end of needing 2 pairs/season, still well worth it.

    FYI, These are for all Avid Elixir brakes... for Trance or Anthem X with Avid...
    To update on these pads a bit - they do wear faster than the stock metallic ones, which is what I'm seeing so far on my AX29, my TX29 is an 0 which is XT so it doesn't apply. FWIW, my riding style may be a bit heavy on the rear brake.

    Today, as the rear Serfas organic pads seemed like they were getting thin, for kicks I popped in the stock Avid pads I originally took out. One word - horrible. Just loud and grinding and, you can feel it throughout the bike while braking and I hated it. The serfas will wear faster but the difference is night and day. And this may be the case with any other pads, the stock ones are simply horrid...

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    Got to demo Trance X1 for an extended ride in Sedona today...I guess it passed the test: put in an order for X1 at the end of the ride. I've tried out Specialized SJ Evo, Pivot 429, SC Tallboy recently, and Trance pleased me the most, by far. The most balanced performer of the lot. A very good bike indeed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LordDRIFT View Post
    Sounds like pad rub but it isnt? Is that what you are saying. May try taking out the pads and reinstalling. I'm guessing you have the x2 with those brakes. I have not had any chain slap, in fact the only thing on my stays after multiple rides has been dust. Perhaps chain lenght is inconsistent from the factory.
    Chain length IS inconsistent from the factory. I blew a chain up on my X1's inaugural ride and took it back to my lbs. they measured it (KMC X10) against a new SRAM chain and it was short, which also explains the horrible shifting I was experiencing. They warrantied it with a 1051 and so far so good. That said, I'm done with KMC chains.
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    Yeah the chain slap I was getting was bad enough in the 2.5 hr first ride that it left a couple nicks in the plastic protector. Just snagged a guard, I can still hear it, however im a bit at ease knowing its not beating the frame up.

    About to spend another ~3 hours on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MTBeing View Post
    Chain length IS inconsistent from the factory. I blew a chain up on my X1's inaugural ride and took it back to my lbs. they measured it (KMC X10) against a new SRAM chain and it was short, which also explains the horrible shifting I was experiencing. They warrantied it with a 1051 and so far so good. That said, I'm done with KMC chains.
    This doesn't make any sense. Of course a chain is sized differently on a bike than a new chain. The chain comes in the box at a length long enough that you can break it down to fit on your bike. KMC makes Shimano chains if you weren't aware.
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    Okay, so now I have a couple weeks on the bike, I think I have finally seen a weakness. The front end IS light. Every time I read this I thought they meant the front would keep lifting on climbs. While it doesnít climb as easy as my TX 26er a little change in technique keeps the front end down, so no biggie. This aspect blinded me to the effect on corner performance on. Bermed corners are fine, however there are two type of corners where the front end will laterally slide/drift to the outside of the corner.

    1.Flat high-speed corners
    2.Super low speed loose surface uphill switch backs.

    The tires may have something to do with this. Has anyone else had this kind of experience?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LordDRIFT View Post
    Okay, so now I have a couple weeks on the bike, I think I have finally seen a weakness. The front end IS light. Every time I read this I thought they meant the front would keep lifting on climbs. While it doesnít climb as easy as my TX 26er a little change in technique keeps the front end down, so no biggie. This aspect blinded me to the effect on corner performance on. Bermed corners are fine, however there are two type of corners where the front end will laterally slide/drift to the outside of the corner.

    1.Flat high-speed corners
    2.Super low speed loose surface uphill switch backs.

    The tires may have something to do with this. Has anyone else had this kind of experience?
    I've noticed the same thing on both.

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    Ive felt the front go light as well, I also have an easton carbon bar - which probably doesnt help. It doesnt go light often and I have no issues climbing.

    Still need to decide if getting a chain guide is worth it. Ive read a lot of reviews of the Bionicon C-Guide and they vary.

    Also on flat hard pack + high speed corners, its probably the tires.

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    Looks like ill be ordering frame patches. The pos bike rack I have scraped the paint off the top of the down tube where it meets the top tube.

    Im pretty anal about my bikes condition, and I know its going to get beat up on trails, but man do I get irate when my bike gets screwed up more on the ride to the trail than on the trail itself.

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    Yes I'm the same, I spend alot of time & clear tape mine before the 1st ride.


    Quote Originally Posted by akaBrowntown View Post
    Looks like ill be ordering frame patches. The pos bike rack I have scraped the paint off the top of the down tube where it meets the top tube.

    Im pretty anal about my bikes condition, and I know its going to get beat up on trails, but man do I get irate when my bike gets screwed up more on the ride to the trail than on the trail itself.
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    Picked up my new X1. LBS did Stans tubeless conversion and swapped in WTB Volt saddle for free. Vice VP pedals.
    I'm 5'9'' with 30" inseam - test rode both small and medium and ended up getting small (my other 29er (SC Highball) is medium).

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    Quote Originally Posted by akaBrowntown View Post
    Looks like ill be ordering frame patches. The pos bike rack I have scraped the paint off the top of the down tube where it meets the top tube.

    Im pretty anal about my bikes condition, and I know its going to get beat up on trails, but man do I get irate when my bike gets screwed up more on the ride to the trail than on the trail itself.
    LOL mine too. I got an Allen ..Just noticed some hair line scratches
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    Quote Originally Posted by akaBrowntown View Post
    Looks like ill be ordering frame patches. The pos bike rack I have scraped the paint off the top of the down tube where it meets the top tube.

    Im pretty anal about my bikes condition, and I know its going to get beat up on trails, but man do I get irate when my bike gets screwed up more on the ride to the trail than on the trail itself.
    This is exactly why I got rid of my Saris and replaced it with a 1UP USA rack. The only part of the bike the rack touches are the tires.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silentfoe View Post
    This doesn't make any sense. Of course a chain is sized differently on a bike than a new chain. The chain comes in the box at a length long enough that you can break it down to fit on your bike. KMC makes Shimano chains if you weren't aware.
    In all fairness, I'm a chain idiot but two mechs looked at the original and claimed that the rough shifting was probably due to a shortened length. The mechs originally made the new chain the same length as the KMC and it was shifting rough and that's when the added a link or two and now it works fine. The chain break was just a different issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LordDRIFT View Post
    Okay, so now I have a couple weeks on the bike, I think I have finally seen a weakness. The front end IS light. Every time I read this I thought they meant the front would keep lifting on climbs. While it doesn’t climb as easy as my TX 26er a little change in technique keeps the front end down, so no biggie. This aspect blinded me to the effect on corner performance on. Bermed corners are fine, however there are two type of corners where the front end will laterally slide/drift to the outside of the corner.

    1.Flat high-speed corners
    2.Super low speed loose surface uphill switch backs.

    The tires may have something to do with this. Has anyone else had this kind of experience?
    I have noticed this as well and it's probably due (for me) to a slacker H/A which I'm not used to, coming from a steeper hard tail. Add the 120mm front and the super stiff front end, coupled with my atrocious technique, and I'm getting some slippage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by akaBrowntown View Post
    Looks like ill be ordering frame patches. The pos bike rack I have scraped the paint off the top of the down tube where it meets the top tube.

    Im pretty anal about my bikes condition, and I know its going to get beat up on trails, but man do I get irate when my bike gets screwed up more on the ride to the trail than on the trail itself.
    My X1 came with a clear frame patch sheet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by akaBrowntown View Post
    Yeah the chain slap I was getting was bad enough in the 2.5 hr first ride that it left a couple nicks in the plastic protector. Just snagged a guard, I can still hear it, however im a bit at ease knowing its not beating the frame up.

    About to spend another ~3 hours on it.
    If you have the X0 there is a big grey switch on the rear derailleur. Flip that to ON when you go riding and it eliminates the chain slap. Note flick it off when you are taking the back tire off, as it is almost impossible to get the tire off with it in the on position.

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    im tossing up between an x1 trance or a reign 1 2013 models.any help on this.i will be using the bike for trials and dh

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