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    TRANCE - The Official thread, links, pics and info inside.

    If you have a Trance please posts pics (action would be nice) and specs and any thing(s) you've had problems with/advice about stuff you've found out about them.

    I thought I'd give this a shot since the Trance is becoming a very popular bike, maybe the admins will sticky it for easy access and reference. I'll go to the other threads on them and link back so everything's here, so check out the links below for previous discussion on the Trance. These are all I found, if you find more let me know and I'll add it to the list- (I've only gone through the GIANT forums, it will take time to search thriough the rest of the forums here, but I figure this will help anyone out who's looking for info on them..

    Trance Bearing replacement How To. - Trance Bearing replacement How To.
    Trance Setup Database - Trance Setup Database
    New ENDURO Bearings, Almost new Trance. - New ENDURO Bearings, Almost new Trance
    Is '05 Trance 4 frame really the same as T1, 2, 3? - Is '05 Trance 4 frame really the same as T1, 2, 3?
    125mm fork on a trance - 125mm fork on a trance
    I want to swap NRS1 components to a Trance? - I want to swap NRS1 components to a Trance?
    Trance / Reign vs Motolite - Trance / Reign vs Motolite
    140-mm fork on Trance - 140-mm fork on Trance
    Trance 2 - Weight and climbing - Trance 2 - Weight and climbing
    07 Trance Frame Weight? Anyone got one yet - 07 Trance Frame Weight? Anyone got one yet
    Reign or Trance? - Reign or Trance?
    Trance 2 noise when pedaling at high torque - Trance 2 noise when pedaling at high torque
    2007 trance 3 - rear shock - 2007 trance 3 - rear shock
    How rugged is your Trance.... - How rugged is your Trance?
    Tance 3 or VT 2 - Tance 3 or VT 2
    Does the trance have pedal bob? - Does the trance have pedal bob?
    L/XL Trance owners - L/XL Trance owners
    Trance "tuning" - Trance "tuning"
    Trance not measuring up - Trance not measuring up
    Trance frame weight (medium) - Trance frame weight (medium)
    I have a question: Trance or Reign? - I have a question: Trance or Reign?
    Trance 3 w/ Trace 2 components? (LBS offer) - Trance 3 w/ Trance 2 components? (LBS offer)
    Trance Owners Help! - Trance Owners Help!
    Finallly got my TRANCE 1 - Finallly got my TRANCE 1
    Racing a Trance? - Racing a Trance?
    Fork Setting - ROCKSHOX REBA- Trance 2 - Fork Setting - ROCKSHOX REBA- Trance 2
    Trance build up pics - Trance build up pics
    Trance 1 frame weight - Trance 1 frame weight
    Painting a TRANCE frame - Painting a TRANCE frame
    Trance 2 - Frame Paint - Trance 2 - Frame Paint
    Thinking of the Trance 2... - Thinking of the Trance 2...
    Trance 1 article in May 05 MBA - Trance 1 article in May 05 MBA
    trance 4! - trance 4!
    Tall riders on a Trance? - Tall riders on a Trance?
    Sizing a Trance 2 - Getting Ready to Buy - Sizing a Trance 2 - Getting Ready to Buy
    Maestro suspension questions - Maestro suspension questions
    Trance 3 reviews? - Trance 3 reviews?
    Trance Chain line probems - Trance Chain line probems
    Trance tuning suggestions welcome - Trance tuning suggestions welcome
    Trance/Reign Air?? - Trance/Reign Air??
    Trance or Reign? - Trance or Reign?
    Trance geometry questions - Trance geometry questions
    Trance Frame Question - Trance Frame Question
    Trance and Reign cable routing problems -Trance and Reign cable routing problems
    Trance frame holes - Trance frame holes
    Trance 3 FINALLY got it - Trance 3 FINALLY got it
    Trance 1 built up, sweet - Trance 1 built up, sweet
    2004 VT2 sold: Trance1 on order!!! - 2004 VT2 sold: Trance1 on order!!!
    Talus RLC on 14.5 Trance 1 - Talus RLC on 14.5 Trance 1
    Trance...Bike of the Year - Trance...Bike of the Year
    trance sizing - trance sizing
    Pics of my Trance - Pics of my Trance
    Trance vs NRS - Trance vs NRS
    Trance frame prices - Trance frame prices
    Trance Geometry - Trance Geometry
    T3 w/ Manitou BLACK Super '04 - thoughts? - T3 w/ Manitou BLACK Super '04 - thoughts?
    Trance Or Reign,what Happend To Vt - Trance Or Reign,what Happend To Vt
    What would you Upgrade on a Trance3 ? - What would you Upgrade on a Trance3 ?
    Specs on GIANT web site - Specs on GIANT web site
    Trance Ride Impressions... - Trance Ride Impressions...
    Trance vs. Reign - Trance vs. Reign
    Trance seatpost dia.? - Trance seatpost dia.?
    official msrp of Trance frame? - official msrp of Trance frame?
    Trance shock length - Trance shock length
    Float R - Float R
    Trance sizing? - Trance sizing?
    Reign vs. Trance - Reign vs. Trance
    Trance 2 weight - Trance 2 weight
    Short Trance and REign review on MBA - Short Trance and REign review on MBA
    Trace Prices? - Trance Prices?
    Trance and Reign available now? - Trance and Reign available now?
    Giant frame quality?-I'm falling into a TRANCE - Giant frame quality?-I'm falling into a TRANCE
    Trance Weights? - Trance Weights?
    if and when I get that Trance frame - if and when I get that Trance frame
    2005 TRANCE Frame sizes and geometry - 2005 TRANCE Frame sizes and geometry
    Trance Pics - Trance Pics
    Trance not VPP-esque, says Whyte (xpost) - Trance not VPP-esque, says Whyte (xpost)
    Trance q & a in MBA, sort of - Trance q & a in MBA, sort of
    Trance 1 and Reign 1 FULL Specs - Trance 1 and Reign 1 FULL Specs
    2005 Giant Trance - 2005 Giant Trance
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    Just got this yesterday, so not been out on it yet other than a couple of spins round the block.


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    Here is mine. I am 5'7, 170-175lbs. I ride the Medium 16" frame, i set the RP3 shock to about 180psi and the rebound about 4-5 clicks from the "fast" end, and mostly ride it on the medium setting. My bike as it is in the photo is about 31lbs bathroom scale weight.

    I was sized right between a 16 and 18 inch frame size, but chose the 16 cause it is smaller and lighter and don't regret it. I also switched out my fork from a 21" crown height 130mm to a 19" 100mm travel and really love the more aggressive riding position. I would deffinatly reccomend a 100mm/4" travel shock, if you want more travel up front you probably need to move to a Reign.

    Um... Only thing I need to really be happy is a lighter wheel/tire set. My Deore 475 hubs and 321 mavics are much to heavyweight for my taste! I am currently getting some DT Swiss 4.1d's on Hope XC's and going to run those tubeless with Panaracer Trailblasters. Should save 2-3 lbs I think.

    Here's the Specs
    -Grips - ODI YETI's
    -Bar - Easton MonkeyLite Carbon - Uncut
    -Stem - Ritchey Pro Adjustable Stem
    -Fork - Manitou Minute 2:00
    -Seatpost - Thomson
    -Seat - Don't know, fits my butt and is old as all get out
    -Brakes - Hayes HFX-9 - 6" rotors
    -Shifters - Deore
    -Derailuers - XT front and rear
    -Cranks - Race face ride and OEM raceface BB
    -Wheelset - Mavic 321 with Deore 475 Hubs
    -Tires - Wire bead Panaracer Fire XC
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    Quote Originally Posted by GiantDS3
    Here is mine. I am 5'7, 170-175lbs. I ride the Medium 16" frame, i set the RP3 shock to about 180psi and the rebound about 4-5 clicks from the "fast" end, and mostly ride it on the medium setting. My bike as it is in the photo is about 31lbs bathroom scale weight.

    I was sized right between a 16 and 18 inch frame size, but chose the 16 cause it is smaller and lighter and don't regret it. I also switched out my fork from a 21" crown height 130mm to a 19" 100mm travel and really love the more aggressive riding position. I would deffinatly reccomend a 100mm/4" travel shock, if you want more travel up front you probably need to move to a Reign.

    Um... Only thing I need to really be happy is a lighter wheel/tire set. My Deore 475 hubs and 321 mavics are much to heavyweight for my taste! I am currently getting some DT Swiss 4.1d's on Hope XC's and going to run those tubeless with Panaracer Trailblasters. Should save 2-3 lbs I think.
    Cool bike man.... In your place I'd change the 475 hubs for a set of 515's or 525's... the 475's have not seals and it's a pain to keep them running smooth requiring constant maintenance. From the 515's and up, Shimano stuff is basically maintenance free.

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    Nice bike, and same size as mine.

    I'm about 5'8" and went for the 16" frame as well with a thompson layback post. It's feeling pretty good riding about town and down the odd set of steps etc. I'm about the same weight etc as yourself, so I'll try your settings out.

    Got my fox vanilla Rs set to 100mm of travel, toying with the idea of moving them back up to 125mm, gonna try them in Glentress tomorrow at 100mm though.

    Only things I'll be changing are the cables to nokons when I get the extension kit, and the front mech which the shop fitted as they only had Alivios in stock.

    the way my XTR rear mech is set currently has it bashing off the chainstay, can I cure this with the B adjust screw or shoulf I use a chainstay protector to stop paint damage etc?

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    I had to sell my $3000 custom Haro Werks bike to pay off some bills so I had limited cash to spend on a new bike. I eventually went with the Trance 4 because it has an amazing framset and I could care less about derailleurs/shifters and stuff like that. The only downside are the brakes and fork, but I can honestly say its the nicest feeling bike i've ever ridden, even with V-brakes and a crap fork. I'm so stoked about it im already planning on uprading the fork and brakes. Im 5'9 and im riding the 18" and i've never had more fun riding a bike then this one.!

    I would post pics but as is its stock and a tad ugly due to the parts haha

    Though the frame is....so nice.

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    Guys thanks for posting up these first pics and the info and getting this thread rolling. Hopefully it will be a place that anyone interested in getting a Trance or who has one and wants info can come to find it.

    Mars why don't you edit your post and ad the specs for that nice ride, doesn't look quite "stock"

    Quote Originally Posted by Domdil
    I had to sell my $3000 custom Haro Werks bike to pay off some bills so I had limited cash to spend on a new bike. I eventually went with the Trance 4 because it has an amazing framset and I could care less about derailleurs/shifters and stuff like that.
    Sorry to hear that man, at least you've now got a good start towards another great bike

    Quote Originally Posted by Domdil
    I would post pics but as is its stock and a tad ugly due to the parts haha

    Though the frame is....so nice.
    Post 'em anyways, I'd like to see how the darker blue of the T4 frame looks.

    Will be trying to get some decent pics of mine this weekend to post up - hopefully a few action shots would be nice. She's an almost stock T3 w/ changed stem & HB (Bontrager Race Lite 31.8), REBA SL fork(motion control rocxz) and crankset & BB - crappy a$$ RF RSX ISIS BB crapped out in about 3 weeks and had this old maybe Deore square taper BB and crankset around. Did a bit of switching over chainrings from the RF set that came with the bike and got the cheapo Shimano set down to around 1.5lbs instead of a hefty 2+lbs. Looking to upgrade to a XT Hollowtech external BB crankset as soon as I can afford it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mars2003
    Just got this yesterday, so not been out on it yet other than a couple of spins round the block.

    Bike Set up as Requested.

    Custom Build

    16" Trance Frameset
    Monkeylite Carbon low risers
    X-Lite Disco barplugs
    RaceFace Deus Stem
    Hayes HFX MAG Disc Brakes
    Fox Vanilla R 125 forks set at 100mm Travel
    Thompson Seat Post
    Fizik Gobi "wing flex" saddle
    Hope Seat Tube QR
    Shimano XTR rear Mech
    Shimano Alivio Front Mech
    Shimano XT HTII crankset
    SRAM PC99 Chain
    Egg Beater pedals
    XT Cassette
    Mavic 717 disc rims lace to XT disc Hubs via DB spokes (cups or cones undid themselves today on the trails Didn't slow me down at all )


    Can say that the bike climbs really good, and compared to my old Trek Fuel, I was really fast through swooping twisting singletrack today.

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    Finally got my 18"....wrong size???? UGH!

    Ok, I waited 2 months for my 18" Trance 2. The shop folks insisted that I have too long of a torso for the 16", but now I'm not sure. I'm 5'8" (barely) with a 29.75 - 30" inseam. When I stand over the 18", I have very little, if any room. Basically, the bar is 'resting' against the...er...goods. :-) I can lift the front end and there is about 1.5-2" of space, but the bar is pretty well jammed in my crotch.

    When I stand over the 16" (A trance 3), I have lots of room. 3-4" of space under front tire when it is lifted (maybe more, i didn't measure exactly). Riding around on the 16" feels nimble, while the 18" feels "stable". I haven't started messing with stems, etc., but I'm a little nervous that I purchased the wrong bike. Am I going about the sizing the right way?

    I've only been riding for about 4 years, so I'm not an expert in how the bike is 'supposed' to feel. I had a GF Kai-Tai hard tail first and it was a 15.5". It was small and kinda unstable at high speeds, but nimble as heck and fun. I then got a Sugar 3+ in a Medium (they have long top-tubes) and the bike never felt right. Always felt too big, but the shop guys thought I looked good on it.

    I want to know if I'm all screwed up in the head and the 18" is the right bike, or if going with something that feels small and nimble is a good idea. I just dropped $2700, so I'm freakin out a bit :-).

    I'll post my pic and specs next....if I change anything, it would only be the size of the frame.
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    Here's what I did get...

    Here's what I did buy....I may get the 16" depending on some more test rides and info gathered here...

    All parts are stock trance 2 except the following:

    XT Cassette
    Easton Carbon Fiber Riser Bar
    Crossmax XL Wheelset (paid an extra $309 w/ trade in of original wheels)

    I dumped the rapid-rise too, but that was just a straight swap w/ XT. Also put on my Serfas ARC Dual Density Pro saddle, but not sure if that's an 'upgrade' from the WTB Rocket V (??? opinions welcome)

    I got a new Pearl Bib ($90) and they tosssed in a T-shirt :-). $2767 w/ taxes....

    weight: 28.8lbs

    anyway...we'll see about the frame size, but I think it looks good...
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    Nice bike Kiva, I tried to wangle a black frameset for myself but obviously failed . Don't worry too much about the size, I think at 5'8" we're both in between sizes and can adjust either bikes cockpit to fit us. Keep us posted on what you do settle for.

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    18" may be good for you

    In response to kiva's quesiton, here is what I think. I am 5 feet 75 inch tall and have a long torso, just like kiva.

    I just bought a Trance 2 two days ago. Although I have been riding a VT with a 16.5 frame, I thought I want to try a bigger frame. So when I bought the Trance 2, I went for the 18" frame.

    Before I bought the 18", I have tested riding on a 16". The LBS did not have a 18" for test ride.

    I grabbed my bike on Friday's night. When I first rode on it, I felt it was a bit oversized. Questions came to my mind as to whether the 18" frame was too big for me.

    However, after riding the bike for around 1 hour and 45 minutes on Sunday morning, I came to the conclusion that 18" is a good fit for me. The bike is stable and I feel very relaxed on it, even though that I have to lean a bit more forward than riding my 16.5" VT.

    Just like Kiva, clearance between my ??? and the top tube is just around 1". One my VT, the clearance is around 2".

    I will use my VT for free-riding. It is more nimble, which is good for rding on difficult terrain. However, for XC riding, I will use my Trance 2, which gives a much more stable feeling.

    Hope that I can kiva's question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kiva
    When I stand over the 16" (A trance 3), I have lots of room. 3-4" of space under front tire when it is lifted (maybe more, i didn't measure exactly). Riding around on the 16" feels nimble, while the 18" feels "stable". I haven't started messing with stems, etc., but I'm a little nervous that I purchased the wrong bike. Am I going about the sizing the right way?

    I want to know if I'm all screwed up in the head and the 18" is the right bike, or if going with something that feels small and nimble is a good idea. I just dropped $2700, so I'm freakin out a bit :-).
    frame.
    Well I have only been riding a year and change so I'm less experienced, but I've tried to learn as much as I can in that little time. W/ my XL/22" T3 all I had to go on was my first bike- a 20" DB COIL- and it felt to small for me so I figured a bit more room would be good. I'm 6' 2 1/4" and I have about 2" clearance on mine.

    Best thing I could advise you to do is take it for a nice long ride w/ a bit of everything in there and see how it feels -
    Does it handle speed well (feel stable)?
    Does it handle tight twisty stuff (can you manuvere it around easily)?
    Does it feel good for a long ride of 2 hours (comfortable, no back ache, leg cramp etc)?

    After this I figure you can make a better decission about which frame suits you and I'm sure that the bike shop will not quible about you exchanging the 18" for a 16" if the bike isn't right for you. Remember that fit is the most important thing on a bike, doesn't matter if you get it for a steal of adeal if it doesn't fit right it's gona give you aches and pains and maybe some medical bills.

    BTW sweet ride, I too am longing after a set of CrossMax.
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    Well, my conclusion from comparing the geometry data from the website, is that for us guys right in the middle, it shouldn't make a LOT of difference.

    The differences in Geometry (as published mind you, Giant might make the bikes not per specs given on their website).

    Top Tube is 0.8 inches longer on the 18"
    Wheel base is 0.9 inches longer for the 18"

    So that should explain why the 18 would feel more stable, it is a little longer... but the differences are not that substantial and you could replicate the geometry with careful part choices e.g. a longer stem, layback seatpost, long fork.

    I prefer the 16" myself, where I ride in Texas we have a fair amount of rocky ledges to assend and descend and I feel that I can come out of my riding position faster to deal with that terrain then I could with the "racier" cockpit position the 18" would put me in. Now if you look at my bike, you can tell I have the seatpost pretty high which is an indicator that I am at the upper size range for the 16"
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    terrain...

    thanks for the input, folks. To state the obvious, that's exactly how I feel: between sizes. Quite aggravating :-)

    Most of the terrain I ride is technical rocky stuff (lava cap). Here are some examples of the type of stuff we ride:

    http://www.chicomtnbikers.com/images...-14-05_001.JPG

    http://www.chicomtnbikers.com/images...-14-05_013.JPG

    can't say either one of those are me though :-)....Of course, it's not *all* like that, but one MTB group used to call themselves the "lava pounders" and anybody riding a hard-tail usually gets a "wow, that's gotta be tough..."

    I can't take the bike on a "real" ride, which is unfortunate. I did set up the 16" and took that around a bit and then hopped right on the 18". The difference wasn't as dramatic as I thought it might be, but was definitely there. Of the stats stated above, I'd agree with the TT and wheelbase lengths, but the standover height difference is more than that, IMO.

    Anyway, I still don't know what I'm going to do. I think finding out on Monday just how long i'd have to wait for a 16" may influence my decision. It is nice to know that I won't really be messed up either way, but I just need to find out which I prefer.

    I appreciate hearing of your experiences with sizing and eagerly anticipate further responses.

    Thanks.

    matt

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    Rocky terrain

    If you frequently ride that kind of rocky terrain, I think that you should choose a REIGN instead of a TRANCE. A 16" inch REIGN will perfectly suit your riding style.

    I am not sure if TRANCE will be able to constantly take those relatively hard hits that those rocky terrain will produce.

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    very good point....

    Quote Originally Posted by kingswoodkc
    If you frequently ride that kind of rocky terrain, I think that you should choose a REIGN instead of a TRANCE. A 16" inch REIGN will perfectly suit your riding style.

    I am not sure if TRANCE will be able to constantly take those relatively hard hits that those rocky terrain will produce.

    excellent point. I actually was able to demo the reign and it was like steering a tank. Freakin' heavy as heck and I hated it. It was an 18, though, which may have played a role. If I was a "fast downhill" type of rider, I think I would agree with you more. However, I'm more of a climber and, at my age, coupled with a strong desire to not hurt myself, I don't tend to ride too fast downhill or go all bomber crazy.

    I have found that I am happiest on something that climbs well and descends well-enough to suck up most of what I thrown at it.

    Your comment will cause me to take a 2nd look at the reign, but the weight scares me a bit...i'm fat enough as it is..i don't need another 4 lbs to lug uphill :-)

    Thanks so much for your input...it is truly appreciated...

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    Riding Shots Inside......

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    Nice J.King, wish I could get some action shots of myself - no luck this weekend with getting any. What's the specs on that rig? Only thing I can tell (I'm pretty sure at least ) is it's a custom build of the frameset using a RS fork - either REBA or SID.
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    Trance 2

    I've had my Trance 2 for two months now. Awsome. I'm 6' 2 1/2" and ride a 20" frame and it fits me perfectly. Paid $2000 here in Little Rock. The only thing I've changed is the sorry Bulldog tires. Went with some Panaracer Fire XC's. Much better. Later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bbyrd
    I've had my Trance 2 for two months now. Awsome. I'm 6' 2 1/2" and ride a 20" frame and it fits me perfectly. Paid $2000 here in Little Rock. The only thing I've changed is the sorry Bulldog tires. Went with some Panaracer Fire XC's. Much better. Later.
    Strange, we're both the same height and I find the 22" fits me right. Although I couldn't test ride any size before I got it, just new the 20" DB I had before it felt a bit small.

    J.King how come you went with the pyslo, just had it around? How's the bike ride w/ that extra travel upfront? Is that 125mm travel?
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    Trance 2

    I tested an 18" Reign and of course it was way to small, I then jumped on the Trance 20" and it felt perfect. I didn't even try out a 22". In the past, I've always had 19" bikes, specialized rockhopper and gary fisher mt. tam and all felt like a good fit. To big of a bike for me is not comfortable b/c I felt like I couldn't swing it around or manuvere it as good. Don't get me wrong, a 22" is probably the size I'd need, but I have had no pains or aches with the 20".

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    Quote Originally Posted by bbyrd
    I tested an 18" Reign and of course it was way to small, I then jumped on the Trance 20" and it felt perfect. I didn't even try out a 22". In the past, I've always had 19" bikes, specialized rockhopper and gary fisher mt. tam and all felt like a good fit. To big of a bike for me is not comfortable b/c I felt like I couldn't swing it around or manuvere it as good. Don't get me wrong, a 22" is probably the size I'd need, but I have had no pains or aches with the 20".
    Hum, maybe that's why I have some trouble negotiating some things on the trail, maybe it isn't all lack of skill - I mean that seriously- but I do think I prefer the compromise towards the bigger frame for long XC type rides. Also I think the extra length of the wheelbase of the 22" helps in stability and me feeling more "at ease" doing DH and especially steep/technical DH. Maybe I have a longer torso or just haven't been riding enough to really know what I like yet, just know that going to the Trance from a POS DB COIL X was like stepping from a Gremlin to a Porsche.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx
    Strange, we're both the same height and I find the 22" fits me right. Although I couldn't test ride any size before I got it, just new the 20" DB I had before it felt a bit small.

    J.King how come you went with the pyslo, just had it around? How's the bike ride w/ that extra travel upfront? Is that 125mm travel?

    I absolutely had to have a coil fork up front and it was the right price with the tunability options I was looking for.

    It rides very well with that fork up front. Pretty sure it tops out at 115mm of travel. Rest of the bike is: Hone Dual Control Levers, Shimano LX everything else, and Shimano XT Wheels. Very very fast XC bike. Now it's only up to the tires.

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    personally, I think the psylo is a good choice and im planning a fork upgrade for my trance 4 soon. Im trying to decide between a Duke SL, Psylo SL or reba SL, I rode a psylo SL last year and I loved it. I really like the simplicity of a coil fork, though I may spend the little extra cash to get a lighter fork in the reba. Time will tell. Once I get my new fork and brakes I will post a pic, all your bikes are great!!

    (though I personally like the trance 4 frame the best :P haha )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Domdil
    personally, I think the psylo is a good choice and im planning a fork upgrade for my trance 4 soon. Im trying to decide between a Duke SL, Psylo SL or reba SL, I rode a psylo SL last year and I loved it. I really like the simplicity of a coil fork, though I may spend the little extra cash to get a lighter fork in the reba. Time will tell. Once I get my new fork and brakes I will post a pic, all your bikes are great!!

    (though I personally like the trance 4 frame the best :P haha )
    I have had my bike before Christmas and love riding it every time. Here are the specs and Link to a pic of my ride.Trance Ride Impressions...

    18" Trance Frameset
    Reba Race w/poploc
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    Time XS carbon pedals
    Flite TT Saddle
    FRM Seatpost
    Shimano XT brakes
    IRD Metawire Cables
    WTB Weirwolf tires

    I have changed the wheelset and seatpost on the bike since the pic was taken. I also have Silver carbon headset spacers on it, looks great with the silver graphics on the bike.

    It is fully loaded

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    Quote Originally Posted by Domdil
    personally, I think the psylo is a good choice and im planning a fork upgrade for my trance 4 soon. Im trying to decide between a Duke SL, Psylo SL or reba SL, I rode a psylo SL last year and I loved it. I really like the simplicity of a coil fork, though I may spend the little extra cash to get a lighter fork in the reba. Time will tell. Once I get my new fork and brakes I will post a pic, all your bikes are great!!

    (though I personally like the trance 4 frame the best :P haha )
    Well a certain person (Danmtchl) pointed me towards the REBA when I was looking at a swap for my DUKE XC that came on my T3 and I was a bit hesitant at first w/ all the air leak stories around and the fact that it was a new product, untested as such. Well I listened to him and a few others who also suggested it and went w/ the REBA SL and have been seriously pleased w/ it's performance so far - 1200 miles & 90+ hours and still working sweet. I am aiming to service it at the 100 or hour mark when I get back my DUKE fork as a backup, just in case I screw up the service.

    Dan So you use the WTB Weirwolfs, what sort of terrain do you ride in? Going by my experience with them I woul.d have to guess sandy, very loose stuff. I got one and tried it as a front tire - IT SUCKED - nearly planted me in the ground on my first jump on hardpack. I will say that as a rear tire the Weirwolf really does work quite well reversed and gives some serious traction. I have the DNA compound version.
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    Demoed Trance 2 last weekend

    Thanks to Eric at B&E Bicycles here is State College PA (shameless plug), I got to demo a Trance 2 this past weekend. I rode for eight hours; 3.5 hours on Saturday and two 2-hour rides on Sunday. Not a bad way to spend Father's Day Here are my opinions.

    Pros
    I have a '04 GF Tassajara with a Pilot fork. Because of the fork and the great suspension of the Trance, it pedalled better than my bike. The Trance does bob a little, but it was much less noticable on the Trance than on my hardtail with a soggy fork. Also, I did not feel any pedal feedback while braking or climbing hard. Pedalling is the strength of this bike.

    I think this applies to FS bikes in general, but the hookup on steep, technical climbs is better than my hardtail. A hardtail has a very small balance point to keep the rear tire from spinning out. The Trance was much more forgiving and kept traction better.

    The Trance handled well despite the tires. I've read others complaining about the bulldogs. This tires rolled well, but felt really loose on hard corners. They did not inspire confidence. The main point is that the Trance did handle well, on par with the Tass. I have ridden a better handling bike, a friends Salsa.

    I was pleasantly surpised with the drive train and components. The Trance shifted smoothly. Rocket shifters with the brake levers would be very nice complement. I would put the brake levers on the inside of the shifters. The Reba fork had more bells, buzzers, and whistles than I'm used to. I tried a couple of different settings, but never got it dialed-in. I always felt more shock through my hands than through the rear suspension.

    Cons I'm being critical here. These are nit-pics and personal preference.
    The Trance has low BB and pedal clearance compared to my Tass. I hit my pedals more this weekend than in the past year. Also, I hit the chain ring on logs that I havn't touch for quite a while.

    Being used to a Gary Fisher, the cockpit of the Trance felt a little short. I'm still debating if this is a good thing or not.

    I noticed the weight of the Trance. In general, I had more energy because it pedalled great and the benefits of the suspesion. But, accelerating on steep sections and kicking the rear-end over obstacles, I felt the extra weight. That said, all FS bikes are somewhat heavier.

    Conclusion
    I have back problems and recently my back was in spasm requiring medical help. On Saturday, I rode the Trance for 3.5 hours with less back pain than a 2 hour ride on my hardtail. I normally can't ride for more than 45 minutes without getting off my bike to stretch.

    While I was very impressed with the suspension, components, and value of the Trance 2, the jury is still out for me. The two biggest things that I noticed were how well the Trance pedalled and the low clearance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jayhsee
    Thanks to Eric at B&E Bicycles here is State College PA (shameless plug), I got to demo a Trance 2 this past weekend. I rode for eight hours; 3.5 hours on Saturday and two 2-hour rides on Sunday. Not a bad way to spend Father's Day Here are my opinions.

    Pros
    I have a '04 GF Tassajara with a Pilot fork. Because of the fork and the great suspension of the Trance, it pedalled better than my bike. The Trance does bob a little, but it was much less noticable on the Trance than on my hardtail with a soggy fork. Also, I did not feel any pedal feedback while braking or climbing hard. Pedalling is the strength of this bike.

    I think this applies to FS bikes in general, but the hookup on steep, technical climbs is better than my hardtail. A hardtail has a very small balance point to keep the rear tire from spinning out. The Trance was much more forgiving and kept traction better.

    The Trance handled well despite the tires. I've read others complaining about the bulldogs. This tires rolled well, but felt really loose on hard corners. They did not inspire confidence. The main point is that the Trance did handle well, on par with the Tass. I have ridden a better handling bike, a friends Salsa.

    I was pleasantly surpised with the drive train and components. The Trance shifted smoothly. Rocket shifters with the brake levers would be very nice complement. I would put the brake levers on the inside of the shifters. The Reba fork had more bells, buzzers, and whistles than I'm used to. I tried a couple of different settings, but never got it dialed-in. I always felt more shock through my hands than through the rear suspension.

    Cons I'm being critical here. These are nit-pics and personal preference.
    The Trance has low BB and pedal clearance compared to my Tass. I hit my pedals more this weekend than in the past year. Also, I hit the chain ring on logs that I havn't touch for quite a while.

    Being used to a Gary Fisher, the cockpit of the Trance felt a little short. I'm still debating if this is a good thing or not.

    I noticed the weight of the Trance. In general, I had more energy because it pedalled great and the benefits of the suspesion. But, accelerating on steep sections and kicking the rear-end over obstacles, I felt the extra weight. That said, all FS bikes are somewhat heavier.

    Conclusion
    I have back problems and recently my back was in spasm requiring medical help. On Saturday, I rode the Trance for 3.5 hours with less back pain than a 2 hour ride on my hardtail. I normally can't ride for more than 45 minutes without getting off my bike to stretch.

    While I was very impressed with the suspension, components, and value of the Trance 2, the jury is still out for me. The two biggest things that I noticed were how well the Trance pedalled and the low clearance.
    Stick with you current bike, you seem to like the hardtail over a much better bike. But that is okay some people will swear buy their hardtails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by danmtchl
    Stick with you current bike, you seem to like the hardtail over a much better bike. But that is okay some people will swear buy their hardtails.
    Not the impression that I was trying to give with my comments. Yes, there are few things that I preferred with the bike that I've ridden for a couple of years. But, that is quite natural, isn't it?

    Overall, I was very impressed with the Trance and I hope that I did not convey a tone that was not intended.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jayhsee
    Not the impression that I was trying to give with my comments. Yes, there are few things that I preferred with the bike that I've ridden for a couple of years. But, that is quite natural, isn't it?

    Overall, I was very impressed with the Trance and I hope that I did not convey a tone that was not intended.
    It was the message I got, but anyway's one thing I noticed in your posting is that the bike bottomed out due to a Low Bottom Bracket. I think you did not have the suspension setup correctly. You said you hit some logs and the pedals hit the ground.That sounds like the suspension was not set up correctly. I even asked the Giant rep today and he has never heard of this problem. The BB is 13 point something inches high. It is pretty high in most cases.

    The Salsa does not compare to the Trance in Pedaling efficiency, ride quality, acceleration or anything for that matter.Your are comparing a Yugo to a Bentley. I have ridden and owned alot of FS bike and not all of them are heavy. I have seen in many FS bikes lighter than hardtails that ride like a dream. . You can't compare to Full suspension bike to a hardtail. They are 2 totally different bikes.

    The Trance 2 was also the 4" travel bike of year. That's says alot figuring how many 4" travels bikes that are out there. Every magazine I have read has given it a great review. But not one has said anything about pedal bob. Hmmm.

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    Grinding noise in the freewheel of OEM dtswiss cerit on Trance 2

    I am very annoyed and frustrated by the fact that there is grinding noise in the freewheel on the OEM dtswiss cerit rearhub that comes on my Trance 2.

    I have had my Trance 2 for around 2-3 weeks and just had below 30km on it (98% on paved road). However, I am very annoyed by the grinding noise that comes from the freewheel of the dtswiss cerit. This happens when the bike is coasting. When I am pedalling, the noise disappears. That is why I am so sure that the noise comes from the freewheel.

    The good news is that even there is grinding noise, the rearhub runs very smoothly, at pedalling or at coasting. However, my friend told me that because of the grinding noise, it is like I am riding a very old bike. This is very very frustrating to me.

    I looked at the dtswiss website and they said that it takes some time for a new hub and the freewheel to break in because lubricants have not yet been evenly distributed. I am not sure if this is really the case or not. It does not mention noise if the rearhub is not broken in.

    I feel really disappointed, frustrated and annoyed now. Is it a mechanical defect? OR is it just because the rearhub has not yet broken in?

    If I ask my LBS for a replacement, I am not sure whether they will do it or not because the rearhub runs very very smooth, which does not justify a replacement.

    Please advise!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingswoodkc
    I am very annoyed and frustrated by the fact that there is grinding noise in the freewheel on the OEM dtswiss cerit rearhub that comes on my Trance 2.

    I have had my Trance 2 for around 2-3 weeks and just had below 30km on it (98% on paved road). However, I am very annoyed by the grinding noise that comes from the freewheel of the dtswiss cerit. This happens when the bike is coasting. When I am pedalling, the noise disappears. That is why I am so sure that the noise comes from the freewheel.

    The good news is that even there is grinding noise, the rearhub runs very smoothly, at pedalling or at coasting. However, my friend told me that because of the grinding noise, it is like I am riding a very old bike. This is very very frustrating to me.

    I looked at the dtswiss website and they said that it takes some time for a new hub and the freewheel to break in because lubricants have not yet been evenly distributed. I am not sure if this is really the case or not. It does not mention noise if the rearhub is not broken in.

    I feel really disappointed, frustrated and annoyed now. Is it a mechanical defect? OR is it just because the rearhub has not yet broken in?

    If I ask my LBS for a replacement, I am not sure whether they will do it or not because the rearhub runs very very smooth, which does not justify a replacement.

    Please advise!
    Some multiengagement freewheels do that... have you ever been close to a guy who's coasting a CK hub????

    It drives you mad. A buddy of mine says about the CK's noise "if you want to sneak behind someone, you gotta pedal"
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    The noise is different

    Quote Originally Posted by Warp2003
    Some multiengagement freewheels do that... have you ever been close to a guy who's coasting a CK hub????

    It drives you mad. A buddy of mine says about the CK's noise "if you want to sneak behind someone, you gotta pedal"
    I understand what you meant. I know guys coasting a CK hub and a Ringle hub. But the noise is different. The noise that appears on my trance2' s freewheel is like that something is not lubricated or broken. It is like coasting a rusty hub.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingswoodkc
    I understand what you meant. I know guys coasting a CK hub and a Ringle hub. But the noise is different. The noise that appears on my trance2' s freewheel is like that something is not lubricated or broken. It is like coasting a rusty hub.
    Best advice would be to ask - seems like you haven't asked or even told them about the strange noise. Only 30km in 3 weeks, man what control - I think I had in around 150 miles by my 2nd week. May be you got a hub not packed right or maybe the "needs to break in" idea is right and you just need to put some more miles on the bike.

    Either way you have a terrific bike there and I can say this after the BB crapped out after only 200 miles and had to send the DUKE XC fork back after 3 weeks (for bad bushings) on my Trance3. I just passed 1,400 miles on my T3 and am still loving it
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    I was thinking of ordering a Trance 2.... what kind of riding does everyone use this bike for? Im not sure if it will be enough bike for me or not. Although I am used to a XC hardtail.. The things i dont like about it is the BB height, i cant hardly go over the log obstacles without hitting the cranks...
    I also like to jump it... some drops, but i also like climbing and going fast with some xc... is this the right bike for me or would i need something with more travel??
    Bascially, what kind of riding does everyone do with this bike?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ohhpe
    I was thinking of ordering a Trance 2.... what kind of riding does everyone use this bike for? Im not sure if it will be enough bike for me or not. Although I am used to a XC hardtail.. The things i dont like about it is the BB height, i cant hardly go over the log obstacles without hitting the cranks...
    I also like to jump it... some drops, but i also like climbing and going fast with some xc... is this the right bike for me or would i need something with more travel??
    Bascially, what kind of riding does everyone do with this bike?
    Me basically XC with some small jumps/drops nothing over 2ft for sure but it should handle 3ft fairly well. Sounds like maybe you'd be looking for a Reign - 6" travel and more of a FR/DH type bike.
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    Here's what I did buy....I may get the 16" depending on some more test rides and info gathered here...

    All parts are stock trance 2 except the following:

    XT Cassette
    Easton Carbon Fiber Riser Bar
    Crossmax XL Wheelset (paid an extra $309 w/ trade in of original wheels)

    I dumped the rapid-rise too, but that was just a straight swap w/ XT. Also put on my Serfas ARC Dual Density Pro saddle, but not sure if that's an 'upgrade' from the WTB Rocket V (??? opinions welcome)

    I got a new Pearl Bib ($90) and they tosssed in a T-shirt :-). $2767 w/ taxes....

    weight: 28.8lbs

    anyway...we'll see about the frame size, but I think it looks good...
    Hey Kiva,
    Nice bike, you did the exact set up I was planning to do...Trance 2 with Cross max wheel upgrade. Did you happen to weigh both wheel sets, and what the actual diference in weight is?
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    My first action shot on the Giant!

    We were up at the kingdom trails in Vermont... it was an amazing ride!

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    Keep that 18" KIVA !!!
    How would you feel when you going down over the rock, or in the air, or making difficult and danger jump or screaming down on very tight curve, on something which feels "kind of unstable" or "feels nimble"????.
    Be realistic most important is how stable you feel and how much control you get on you bike!!.
    I'm 6"2' and I ride 22" Trance 2. Some guys with my heights feel good on 20" but for me 20" feel "nimble".
    Dirt is good! :-)

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    Hi!
    I ride a T2 size 18 (I'm 183cm, 79kg) and I think it fit's perfectly. I ride it pretty much stock setup except for HFX-9 carbon brakes, XT-cassette, RE-1 pedals and Nokian NBX/Conti exploder supersonic tires.
    My question concerns pressures for the rear shock. What kind of pressures are you riding with? I've experimented with 150-190psi so far. I'll post a better pic soon. Here's a link to one (never mind the saddle position, which is now further front)..
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    Strange, by me, you should be on “Large”, mean 20” Trance, because you exactly 6’ tall.
    Weight that’s another important factor, people who weight less, like you (79kg = 174lb) are more flexible and feel more “comfy” on any bike.
    But most imported is, that you feel good on that size.
    In case of pressure of the rear shock, you can find set up procedure at maestro suspension web site:
    http://www.suspensionmadeharmonious.com
    under HOW IT WORKS and SET UP GUIDE.
    I found this setup to really work and help to eliminate so called "...low BB and pedal clearance to ground.." experienced by many riders.
    Hope that helps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by meak
    Strange, by me, you should be on “Large”, mean 20” Trance, because you exactly 6’ tall.
    Weight that’s another important factor, people who weight less, like you (79kg = 174lb) are more flexible and feel more “comfy” on any bike.
    But most imported is, that you feel good on that size.
    In case of pressure of the rear shock, you can find set up procedure at maestro suspension web site:
    http://www.suspensionmadeharmonious.com
    under HOW IT WORKS and SET UP GUIDE.
    I found this setup to really work and help to eliminate so called "...low BB and pedal clearance to ground.." experienced by many riders.
    Hope that helps.
    Meak
    We don't weigh less, we're not overweight is all we're pretty much smack on (maybe 5% light)

    The Giant site is a bunch of crap to be frankly honest. I've found that I run my FloatR around 190-210lbs and I'm about 175-180lbs, w/ gear maybe 185-190. 190 feels kinda squishy soft for me and is good for real off-road trails w/ loads of bumps. 200-210 is prob a much better all round setup for me as it will handle the rough stuff pretty nicely but also make climbing a bit nicer/easier. Can't wait to get the money and for the FloatR to actually need servicing to send it to PUSH and get it set up custom.

    Niku What sort of noise/sound are you getting? On occassion I can get a kinda clank sound which I think is the rear suspension bottoming out - only have heard it on really rough roads w/ deeps holes and/or if I run the pressure to low and hit some air.
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    Lynx I've had no extra sounds thus far. I only wanted to know how you guys set up the shocks to get the suspension to work optimally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by niku
    Lynx I've had no extra sounds thus far. I only wanted to know how you guys set up the shocks to get the suspension to work optimally.
    Well.. "optimal" depends on your type of terrain.

    On smoother flat and fast courses I will run 180psi, 4clicks from fast on the rebound and medium setting.

    On rough rock garden rides I run the soft setting

    When i climb long ****... hardtail mode for the shock.

    If i know i am going to be hitting some drops or small jumps - 195psi, run on the medium setting

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiantDS3
    Well.. "optimal" depends on your type of terrain.

    On smoother flat and fast courses I will run 180psi, 4clicks from fast on the rebound and medium setting.

    On rough rock garden rides I run the soft setting

    When i climb long ****... hardtail mode for the shock.

    If i know i am going to be hitting some drops or small jumps - 195psi, run on the medium setting
    What weight are you? Remeber he's running a T2 which only comes with the FloatR, NOT the RP3 so he can only adjust pressure and I'm not sure how that compares from the RP3 to the FloatR. Yes I agree with changing the pressure depending on what I know I'll be riding.
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    frame size 16'' or 18''

    I have the same problems. I'm almost 5' 7'' with a inseam of 28'' my torso is proportional. I cant not decided if i have to take a 16'' or a 18'' for my trance2. I ride more often on long fire road than on single track. I can only try the bikes on the parking lot. Can someone help me please. (sorry for my english cause i'm french speaking.
    Quote Originally Posted by GiantDS3
    Well, my conclusion from comparing the geometry data from the website, is that for us guys right in the middle, it shouldn't make a LOT of difference.

    The differences in Geometry (as published mind you, Giant might make the bikes not per specs given on their website).

    Top Tube is 0.8 inches longer on the 18"
    Wheel base is 0.9 inches longer for the 18"

    So that should explain why the 18 would feel more stable, it is a little longer... but the differences are not that substantial and you could replicate the geometry with careful part choices e.g. a longer stem, layback seatpost, long fork.

    I prefer the 16" myself, where I ride in Texas we have a fair amount of rocky ledges to assend and descend and I feel that I can come out of my riding position faster to deal with that terrain then I could with the "racier" cockpit position the 18" would put me in. Now if you look at my bike, you can tell I have the seatpost pretty high which is an indicator that I am at the upper size range for the 16"

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiantDS3
    Well.. "optimal" depends on your type of terrain.

    On smoother flat and fast courses I will run 180psi, 4clicks from fast on the rebound and medium setting.

    On rough rock garden rides I run the soft setting

    When i climb long ****... hardtail mode for the shock.

    If i know i am going to be hitting some drops or small jumps - 195psi, run on the medium setting
    175lbs is my riding weight. I think the FloatR is similar in pressure setup as the RP3 it just does not have the propedal adjustment.

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