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    Actually DiRt DeViL, the 2012 Talon 2 comes with a Suntour XCT with a QR9.

    So, Hosway would have to upgrade his front hub to use a QR15 through axle fork.

    Link to specs: Talon 29er 2 (2012) - Bikes | Giant Bicycles | United States

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattC555 View Post
    Actually DiRt DeViL, the 2012 Talon 2 comes with a Suntour XCT with a QR9.
    The forks that he's looking at are QR9 so he's good plus he could add a Reba to the list.

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    So today I installed a new Marz TST2 fork on my 2011 Talon 1. WOW, it totally transformed my bike! A fork upgrade should be first on the mod list for any Talon owner. The ride is so much improved.

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    I upgraded to a Reba RLT with poplock last week. The difference is awesome, and I can really feel the dropped weight. The white fork matches so much better and fits the bike much nicer. This was my first high end fork so I don't have much to compare it to, but I plan on keeping it longer than the bike!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joes Rocket View Post
    I upgraded to a Reba RLT with poplock last week. The difference is awesome, and I can really feel the dropped weight. The white fork matches so much better and fits the bike much nicer. This was my first high end fork so I don't have much to compare it to, but I plan on keeping it longer than the bike!
    Do you have the 2012 Talon? Just picked one up last week for my first real bike purchase and keeping tabs on potential upgrades to make in the future.

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    Mine's a 2011, however the same fork would fit. It's a great upgrade though.

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    Has anybody tried running a 2.4 wide tire in the front? I'm going to replace my Crossmarks with Maxxis Ardents. I plan on running 2.25 in the rear, but am wondering if the wheels will mount a Ardent 2.4 in front.

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    I do not believe 2011 and 2012 talon wheelsets are identical. You should verify what hub is your wheel and find a fork corresponding to it. I also have a 2012 Talon 2 which I was planning to get a fork for. The whole time I was looking for it I never realized habit was a 9 mm qr. While doing my homework I found out that investing into a different front wheel that had a 15 thruaxle would benefit me more. I'm currently saving up huts a little more to get a Hightower pro invest into a external handle lock out switch and changing my wheels into tableless. Should signifantly improve my bike. Possibly drop so money into some hydro brakes as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joshua75W View Post
    I bought a Giant Talon 1 this week, and took it riding yesterday. I cut my time in half with this bike. I love it. Can't wait to get back out there tomorrow and do a little "more"
    Also have the 2012 talon 1. Great bilke besides the dam brake squeal "Avid Rotors " will post pics when i hit ten posts

    JOSHUA : Do you have any brake squeal ?

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    Props for the name translation :-) and yeah they squeal a little. Not enough to bother me. I'll adjust accordingly when it starts to get insane.

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    Mine only squeal when the pads get wet or muddy.

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    Just ordered a new "RockShox Reba RLT - Dual Air 100mm 29" Maxle Lite 15 Motion Control Damper" from amazon.com for $389.19 (List price is $612). I can not wait to get it on the bike!

    I am comfortable cutting the new fork to size, any recommendations on installing the star nut? Should I buy the tool to do it, or just take it to a bike shop and have then install it (the star nut installation is the only part of the installation that I am nervous about).

    Amazon.com: RockShox Reba RLT - Dual Air 100mm 29" Maxle Lite 15 Motion Control Damper: Sports & Outdoors

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    The tool is a great addition to your tool box but hardly sees any use, I install it with the bolt screwed in quarter to half way and hammer it into position.

    Congrats on the new fork, btw.

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    I just bought a new star nut, and put a screw in the nut, then hammered it down. It was a pain to get started, but it wasn't too bad. I would try it yourself before paying someone. You'll love the new fork, that was a good deal on Amazon. The best I found was getting an RLT with poploc on an ebay auction for $420. I swear I'll take pics one day and post them up...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joes Rocket View Post
    I just bought a new star nut, and put a screw in the nut, then hammered it down. It was a pain to get started, but it wasn't too bad. I would try it yourself before paying someone. You'll love the new fork, that was a good deal on Amazon. The best I found was getting an RLT with poploc on an ebay auction for $420. I swear I'll take pics one day and post them up...
    Thanks guys, I think I will try the hammer way first, even if I screw up, star nuts are cheap and not like I can screw up the fork. Can't wait to get it on the bike!!!! I will post before / during and after pics when I am done.

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    Didnt realize there was a Talon thread. I just passed 60mi with my 2012 talon 0. Ive had the bike a week and am finally enjoying the riding after getting things setup to me. I havent hit any trails yet just hardpack and the local canal tow path. Been 16yrs since ive been on a bike figured i should take my time : )

    Apparently i need 9 more posts....

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    Quote Originally Posted by scatterbrains View Post
    Didnt realize there was a Talon thread. I just passed 60mi with my 2012 talon 0. Ive had the bike a week and am finally enjoying the riding after getting things setup to me. I havent hit any trails yet just hardpack and the local canal tow path. Been 16yrs since ive been on a bike figured i should take my time : )

    Apparently i need 9 more posts....
    How do you like the talon 0

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    Well, I bought Maxxis Ardents. 2.4 for the front and 2.25 for the rear. I also converted the rims to tubeless. I removed the stock rim strip, used 1" Gorilla Tape wrapped once, 2 scoops of Stan's, and Stan's tubeless Presta valves. I needed a compressor to bead the tires, and they are holding pressure nicely.

    I can't wait to try the new combo out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by r1enthusiast View Post
    How do you like the talon 0
    So far for the 60mi i like it alot, there are some small things i want to change, pedals, bars, and grips are the top 3.

    I have small block 8s on it and they seem to do what i need of them so far, and plus is they are a go to tire for some of the local trails too

    only thing i need to do is go tubeless after i get some more time on it.

    MattC--what is the covering on the RS lower frame piece? Also why a wider tire in the front and not the same in the rear? Rolling resistance or steering grip?

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    Matt, keep us up to date on your tubeless conversion. I'm waiting on the Crossmarks to die so we can convert the wheels to tubeless and put some Ignitors on it which seem to be one of the preferred tires for the rooty and rocky Adirondack trails.

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    scatterbrains,

    I am using hockey tape as a chain stay protector. I'm guessing that's what you're referring to? I stops the chain from slapping in to the chain stay. Hockey tape is free for me, light, and durable. I think it looks cool too.

    The wider tire in front is for a couple of reasons:

    I prefer to have more front end grip, so that the rear tire slips first.
    I don't think a 2.4 wide tire would fit comfortably in the rear. It would be very close to the chain stays, would probably contact the front derailleur, and collect mud.
    The trials in my area can get pretty rough, so I decided to get as much volume in the front to help suck up the bumps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiRt DeViL View Post
    Matt, keep us up to date on your tubeless conversion. I'm waiting on the Crossmarks to die so we can convert the wheels to tubeless and put some Ignitors on it which seem to be one of the preferred tires for the rooty and rocky Adirondack trails.
    Ditto. I too am waiting for the Crossmarks to die. The rear sidewalls are pretty worn, so I am getting close. Current plan is to replace them with Geax Saguaro's (foldable) and go tubeless.

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    Thanks Matt thought that was what the "covering" was for.

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    Hockey tape works well and stuff like an inner tube wrapped in electrical tape, a phone cord held by zip ties, etc; many creative was to protect your stays.

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    so is there a reason other than cosmetic to protect them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by scatterbrains View Post
    so is there a reason other than cosmetic to protect them?
    Um, that annoying SOUND of the chain smacking your frame when you are bombing down a hill....

    Hopefully the new clutch technology will get rid of chain slap forever....

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    Like Dennis said, is mostly to quiet down the chain slapping sound and to protect the finish (purely cosmetic) of the stay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattC555 View Post
    Well, I bought Maxxis Ardents. 2.4 for the front and 2.25 for the rear. I also converted the rims to tubeless. I removed the stock rim strip, used 1" Gorilla Tape wrapped once, 2 scoops of Stan's, and Stan's tubeless Presta valves. I needed a compressor to bead the tires, and they are holding pressure nicely.

    I can't wait to try the new combo out.
    Looks awesome, when i kill my small blocks thats the next upgrade.


    Quote Originally Posted by scatterbrains View Post
    So far for the 60mi i like it alot, there are some small things i want to change, pedals, bars, and grips are the top 3.

    I have small block 8s on it and they seem to do what i need of them so far, and plus is they are a go to tire for some of the local trails too

    only thing i need to do is go tubeless after i get some more time on it.

    MattC--what is the covering on the RS lower frame piece? Also why a wider tire in the front and not the same in the rear? Rolling resistance or steering grip?
    Awesome, good luck with it. I just went to clipless pedals and all though the overall control on the bike is awesome I wiped out three times LOL Takes alot of getting used to I suppose.


    Quote Originally Posted by mtbdennis View Post
    Um, that annoying SOUND of the chain smacking your frame when you are bombing down a hill....

    Hopefully the new clutch technology will get rid of chain slap forever....
    New clutch technology?

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    I'm actually planning to get a manitou tower pro just cause I thought it would be cheaper. Manitou Tower Pro 29" 120mm White QR15 but seeing as people are getting rebas for near price I wounder if I should hold out till I find a deal. Any thoughts ? I can get the accompanying external handle bar lock out switch for like $30.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hosway View Post
    I'm actually planning to get a manitou tower pro just cause I thought it would be cheaper. Manitou Tower Pro 29" 120mm White QR15 but seeing as people are getting rebas for near price I wounder if I should hold out till I find a deal. Any thoughts ? I can get the accompanying external handle bar lock out switch for like $30.
    Just picked up the REBA from amazon for 389. It is not on there any longer, however the company that I got it from still has it on their website. Only thing is you would not get free shipping, but their shipping was reasonable and the price is still low. RockShox Reba RLT Suspension Fork Dual Air 29" 100mm White 15mm 1-1/8

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbdennis View Post
    Just picked up the REBA from amazon for 389. It is not on there any longer, however the company that I got it from still has it on their website. Only thing is you would not get free shipping, but their shipping was reasonable and the price is still low. RockShox Reba RLT Suspension Fork Dual Air 29" 100mm White 15mm 1-1/8
    That's a sweet deal, just traded my Reign X1 for another Talon 1, now is time to save to do the same upgrades all over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiRt DeViL View Post
    That's a sweet deal, just traded my Reign X1 for another Talon 1, now is time to save to do the same upgrades all over.
    Yep, it got here yesterday. I was afraid because it was so cheap that something was not going to be right (like they left out the shock pump or something), but nope, everything was there, brand new sealed package. Getting it installed tomorrow, and I can NOT WAIT!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiRt DeViL View Post
    Hockey tape works well and stuff like an inner tube wrapped in electrical tape, a phone cord held by zip ties, etc; many creative was to protect your stays.
    I like the phone cord idea!

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    New Reba RLT is ready to rock! Next up is putting on the new Geax Saguaro's and going tubless!

    I was SHOCKED when the mech handed me the old fork and said "here is half your bike". He was not kidding, that thing weighs a TON. I bet I just shaved 2-3 pounds off the bike, easy.

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    Looking good mtbdennis.

    I finally got out on the tubeless setup. I've been held up by weather and an ice hockey tournament, but was back on the trails this evening.

    The tubeless setup worked flawlessly. I honestly thought I lost pressure during the run, but the gauge at home said otherwise. I am currently running 24psi front(Ardent 2.4) and 26psi rear(Ardent 2.25). I've definitely gained some rolling resistance compared to the tubed stock 2.1 Crossmarks, but it isn't dramatic. The increase in grip, and ride quality is dramatically awesome. Trail chatter has been greatly reduced.

    If you're thinking about trying tubeless, DO IT! Very easy and cheap.

    How I did it:

    1" wide Gorilla Tape
    a pint of Stan's sealant
    Stan's tubeless presta valves(or make your own out of old tubes)

    I wrapped the gorilla tape once, stretching the tape as I applied it, and overlapped approximately 4" over the valve stem. I then installed the tire, added two scoops of Stan's sealant, used a sponge to coat the bead and rim with soapy water(dawn and water on a sponge for washing dishes), then filled with a compressor rapidly. Once the tire was seated(at 35psi) I shook the assembly horizontally while rotating the wheel, so that the sealant was evenly applied throughout the rim. That's it. I waited a day before riding the bike around the neighborhood. I'm not sure if this is necessary. This was the first time I attempted ghetto tubeless, and I finished in under 45minutes.

    Oh, I weighed the bike today and it came in at 27.6lbs as pictured in this thread(w/ pedals).

    Upgrade list:

    Tubeless w/ Ardents
    Fizik Aliante Gamma Kium Xm saddle
    Thompson Elite set back seat post
    Marzocchi Micro Ti 29er set at 140mm
    Shimano M540 pedals
    Sram X9 RD
    Removed big ring and replaced with Raceface aluminum bash-guard

    I plan on replacing the bars with some wider carbon(~685mm), and getting new grips soon. The brakes will eventually be upgraded with Shimano XT or SLX too. The stock Giant ROOTs are quiet, but lack power. They're just ok, but quite good for an entry level bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattC555 View Post
    ... I wrapped the gorilla tape once, stretching the tape as I applied it, and overlapped approximately 4" over the valve stem. ...
    I am thinking about using your method (much cheaper than getting the kit). One question, did you put the stans stem in first and then wrap the tape over it and poke a hole in the tape (for the air to get in), or did you do the tape first and then poke a hole and put the stem in (that is what I am thinking).

    Thanks!

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    I wrapped the tape first, then poked a hole and put the stem in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbdennis View Post
    New Reba RLT is ready to rock!
    Looks really nice, get it dirty!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattC555 View Post
    How I did it:

    1" wide Gorilla Tape
    a pint of Stan's sealant
    Stan's tubeless presta valves(or make your own out of old tubes)
    Ok, I have all these parts ordered. One more question, did you remove your existing rim strip (spoke protector) or did you tape over it?

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiRt DeViL View Post
    Looks really nice, get it dirty!
    Yep! Doing that in the morning! Can't wait!!!! Rode it around the block and can not believe the difference already. Making final adjustments tonight and tomorrow it is off to the dirt!

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    Sow as the tape applied over existing tape or was the original protector ripped off first?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hosway View Post
    Sow as the tape applied over existing tape or was the original protector ripped off first?
    From my research it looks like you remove the existing rim tape / spoke protector and then wrap the Gorilla tape around the inside of the rim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiRt DeViL View Post
    Looks really nice, get it dirty!
    Done, the bike is now dirty.

    Finally was able to take her out with the new fork. All I can say is WOW. It is like a new bike, totally changed the ride (for the better). I am actually kind of ticked that Giant even puts that fork on this (or any other bike). The old for weighed a TON and really did not do much (I do not think I ever got more than about 50-60% compression on it, and it bounces back way to quick. I would rather it had just came with a cheap rigid fork (but then again I probably would not have purchased the bike, so it makes sense why they put it on there).

    Anyway, if you have this bike I HIGHLY recommend saving now and upgrading the fork.

    Here are some images from my ride this morning (at the top, before the descent.

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    Nice, now you have me looking at a fork for our second Talon (which is totally stock).

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    Yes, you remove the stock rim strip before appling the Gorrilla Tape. Bike looks great btw!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattC555 View Post
    Yes, you remove the stock rim strip before appling the Gorrilla Tape. Bike looks great btw!
    Thanks. Also, I was watching the Stans video's and I noticed he mentioned that you may have burping problems if you do not run his rim strip. Have you had issues with that with the Ghetto Gorilla method?

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    No burping yet. I'll let you know if it happens.

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    mtbdennis,

    Looking at your pictures, it appears that you could remove your headset spacers and flip the stem. You could then shorten the steerer, and get rid of the headset spacers. Just some food for thought

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