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    Reign Shock guard

    Finally got the carbon shock guard in.Just letting you guys know they are available.
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    how much?

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    $40 but I think it should be free,whatever.

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    They are free!!!

    Giant is sending them out to lbs to install on the new 06 models for free. That is what my lbs said when I asked how much for the guard.

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    Can you post a pic of the under side??? I need to call the shop. Supposedly they back ordered one for me.

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    I thought they should be free,actually should have been on the bike since new.Definetly going to damage the shock without it,but no big deal,glad I got it.
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    Will this fit on an 05 reign frame. I have an 06 Australian spec reign which is just the 05 US reign but differnet paint job and a few better parts. Do you know if I can get it here in Australia at the LBS or will I have to get from the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The H
    Will this fit on an 05 reign frame. I have an 06 Australian spec reign which is just the 05 US reign but differnet paint job and a few better parts. Do you know if I can get it here in Australia at the LBS or will I have to get from the US.
    I dont think it will fit the 05 frame,its molded to fit the curve of the 06 with the dropped through shock.The 05 doesnt seem like it would need it as bad anyway.It is a "Giant" after market part so I would think your LBS could get it if they sell Giants,shouldnt be a problem,they like Austrailian money too. Have a good weekend TK

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    Why not the new 06 redesigned Maestro frame?

    Man, you Australians always seem to get the leftovers. Why would Giant not sell the new 06 redesigned Maestro frames in your country? If I lived there I would be pissed as hell. I think it's so unfair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uberman
    Man, you Australians always seem to get the leftovers. Why would Giant not sell the new 06 redesigned Maestro frames in your country? If I lived there I would be pissed as hell. I think it's so unfair.
    Eh? Was actually glad to find the 06 Aust spec still had the orig front triangle. The bike is slack enough for my sort of riding, and can be a handful in tight single track as it is with it's long stays and long wheelbase. If I want for more rake, a longer fork will do that easily.
    I still think the 06 US spec frame looks like an accident waiting to happen...

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    Now why would you say that? Is there an issue with the new design?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uberman
    Now why would you say that? Is there an issue with the new design?
    Nah, it's how much more exposed the shock is in the new front triangle...

    Kinda odd when the orig design hasn't had any issues... and the new design doesn't address the main flaw they both have which limits the choice of shock which can be fitted to one or two brands of air shock without remote reservoirs...

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    Quote Originally Posted by The H
    Will this fit on an 05 reign frame. I have an 06 Australian spec reign which is just the 05 US reign but differnet paint job and a few better parts. Do you know if I can get it here in Australia at the LBS or will I have to get from the US.
    The H, I also have a 05 reign and have made my own guard. I can sell you one for $30 Aus including postage to anywhere in Australia. Or $25 pickup if you live in Melbourne. below is a photo of the guard.
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    Yeah sometimes we do get the arse end of the deal. I did like the look of the 06 frame but was worried about the shock area but was thinking of waiting until that shape came out here. I liked the US parts spec race face, fox rp3 etc but couldnt wait and it may be different anyway. The price rise was what helped me go get it straight away no regrets.

    I have some hard poly that I appropriated from work which is good for the guard now, I just like OEM parts and the carbon look. I am just waiting now for my new parts. (thomson stem and seatpost, 8" disk and 2.35 nevegal for the front, ODI Rogue grips)

    I do like the look of the checked plate guard!

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    I just picked up the Trance 1 with Trance 2 parts. Did'nt like the color of the Trance 2 (burnt orange) so the owner of my lbs traded frames to make the sale with me. I love the white with all the black parts. I'll post some pics later.
    What's with the bash guards for the Reign? Clearance issues?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uberman
    I just picked up the Trance 1 with Trance 2 parts. Did'nt like the color of the Trance 2 (burnt orange) so the owner of my lbs traded frames to make the sale with me. I love the white with all the black parts. I'll post some pics later.
    What's with the bash guards for the Reign? Clearance issues?
    It just protects the shock shaft from debris and scratching,rode a while without it and didnt have any problems,but can see how the shaft could easily get scratched.Not good with air shocks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uberman
    ...What's with the bash guards for the Reign? Clearance issues?
    Look back at the shock from the lowest point of view at the front wheel. You'll see plenty of exposed shock shaft, even on the orig Trance frame. Guess where stones are gonna hit first...

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    Caution;  Merge;  Workers Ahead!

    I know about the exposed shock shaft. Giant is sending out the carbon shock cover free to lbs. If anyone is being charged for this then they are being ripped off. Here are a few pics of the area. Can you say Holy Crap Batman. WTF were they thinking. Same thing on the specs Stumpjumpers.
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    Is this really a big problem with the Stumpjumpers too, except with the rear wheel blasting the shock. The fsr has been in production many years so I can't imagine it to be too bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fillmore
    Is this really a big problem with the Stumpjumpers too, except with the rear wheel blasting the shock. The fsr has been in production many years so I can't imagine it to be too bad.
    Sure the FSR shock isn't in a very hygenic position either, but it's worse directly off the front wheel. On the FSR the tread has to carry the stone 3/4 rotation and then fling it forward... Look at a well used frame, the biggest dings are on the lower section of the downtube.

    G should have factory fitted plates for the 06, and 05 frames...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uberman
    I know about the exposed shock shaft. Giant is sending out the carbon shock cover free to lbs. If anyone is being charged for this then they are being ripped off.
    Giant USA is not providing "Free" shock covers for Trance or Reign bikes. The shock cover is an aftermarket item. Any bikes in the future that come with the shock cover are due to a running change.

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    Guards are not free

    As others have noted, my LBS confirms that the shock will not be free to 06 owners. My LBS was quoted $65 as the price from Giant. I will pass; I may try the Lizard boot for the shock (have it, but have not installed it). I have had the bike ~2 months, and the shock is actually staying fairly clean.

    My LBS said they might be able to swipe a guard for my 06 Reign 1 if the new models come with them.

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    That's bad news I was told it would be free from Giant. I hope my lbs will honor what he said. I'll keep you posted on what happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uberman
    Here are a few pics of the area. Can you say Holy Crap Batman. WTF were they thinking.

    Yikes! Thanks for posting the excellent pics Uberman. I'm shopping for a full susp. (I can't take the pounding of hardtails offroad any more) and the Trance/Reign bikes were on my short list. I rejected the Stumpy because I thought the shock column was too exposed to dirt (which in my opinion is the biggest threat to shock life) but it's well protected compared to this.

    I guess the easy access to the o-ring would ease setup, but I don't think the shock will last with this exposure.

    I wonder how well the mudguard will hold up to log crossings and similar abuse. Bet this design will be discarded next year, if not before.

    I'm gonna look elsewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twister

    I guess the easy access to the o-ring would ease setup, but I don't think the shock will last with this exposure.

    I wonder how well the mudguard will hold up to log crossings and similar abuse. Bet this design will be discarded next year, if not before.

    I'm gonna look elsewhere.
    I wouldn't be surprised if Giant changed the frame again. You bring up another good point about the mud guard. I hope it will last. I still beleive the Trance is the perfect bike for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uberman
    I wouldn't be surprised if Giant changed the frame again. You bring up another good point about the mud guard. I hope it will last. I still beleive the Trance is the perfect bike for me.
    As told by the Giant rep is that they WILL be coming on the newer batch of bicycles but the early models did not get them. You can try to get your local Giant dealer to throw one in the deal because he knows that the newer batch will have the shock guard and can't have a bike with the guard next to one that does'nt. Which bike will the customer buy?

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    in Quebec the mud guard is free

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twister
    Yikes! Thanks for posting the excellent pics Uberman. I'm shopping for a full susp. (I can't take the pounding of hardtails offroad any more) and the Trance/Reign bikes were on my short list. I rejected the Stumpy because I thought the shock column was too exposed to dirt (which in my opinion is the biggest threat to shock life) but it's well protected compared to this.

    I guess the easy access to the o-ring would ease setup, but I don't think the shock will last with this exposure.

    I wonder how well the mudguard will hold up to log crossings and similar abuse. Bet this design will be discarded next year, if not before.

    I'm gonna look elsewhere.
    Meh, 06 guard should last, it's carbon. Made this one for the 05 frame from 1.5mm alum sheet, weighs < 30g with powdercoat... Keeps shite off the pivot/bush too.








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    Quote Originally Posted by la chèvre
    in Quebec the mud guard is free
    Glad to hear that.

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    Nicely done ,Haggis.Very Clean

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uberman
    I still beleive the Trance is the perfect bike for me.

    I saw the pic of your rig in the other thread, Uberman, and it does look sweet!

    I'm not into the burnt orange color either. If I could get a Trance 1 frame with the kit from the 2 for the price of the 2, I would be sorely tempted in spite of my misgivings about the shock exposure.

    Was there an upcharge to do the switch?

    For $2200.00 bucks you should be able to get whatever color floats your boat!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twister
    I saw the pic of your rig in the other thread, Uberman, and it does look sweet!

    I'm not into the burnt orange color either. If I could get a Trance 1 frame with the kit from the 2 for the price of the 2, I would be sorely tempted in spite of my misgivings about the shock exposure.

    Was there an upcharge to do the switch?

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    No upcharge at all. It happened when I said I didn't like the color of the Trance 2. lbs owner said the colour really doesn't matter and everyone who saw it liked it. I said to him, if colour doesn't matter then give me your white frame and you take the Burnt Orange and I'll buy it right now. So he did, and we're both happy. He did say the black componets made the white look much better. I agree. I'm very happy with the end result. I also really liked the Trance 3 Blue, but the Trance 1 was his bike and he would not swap with the Trance 3.

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    The Giant web site now has pics of the bikes with the guard installed. It looks good!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haggis
    Meh, 06 guard should last, it's carbon.[/IMG]
    I'm not so sure. Carbon is incredibly strong in terms of strength-to-weight in bending loads, but it isn't very tough. Impact loads tend to cause it to shatter as several US astronauts found out a couple years ago.

    It is also quite susceptable to abrasion damage.

    It's not going to cause a crash if it fails in this application but if it's 40 bucks a pop I'd hate to have to buy many of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Twister
    I'm not so sure. Carbon is incredibly strong in terms of strength-to-weight in bending loads, but it isn't very tough. Impact loads tend to cause it to shatter as several US astronauts found out a couple years ago.

    It is also quite susecptable to abrasion damage.

    It's not going to cause a crash if it fails in this application but if it's 40 bucks a pop I'd hate to have to buy many of them.
    The gaurd seams to be very stong,also I dont think we will be coming back throught the earths atmosphere at 22000 mph at 3000 degrees F., Some maybe fast but not that fast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tkrutis
    The gaurd seams to be very stong,also I dont think we will be coming back throught the earths atmosphere at 22000 mph at 3000 degrees F., Some maybe fast but not that fast.
    Ahhh,, the damage to the shuttle occured at normal temperature during the early part of the boost phase when a piece of foam, much softer than a rock or log, banged into the carbon leading edge of the wing at a relatively low velocity. Not bicycle speed, but not thousands of MPH either. The heat from reentry then entered the existing hole and destroyed the vehicle.

    But let's not quibble. I'm guessing that under severe use, like rolling over logs or banging into a big rock, the part will sometimes be damaged or destroyed. Since its not a load bearing part, it won't cause anything catastrophic to happen. As a mud guard, it should perform very well. If you use it as a skid plate don't be surprised if you break it.

    But I could be wrong.

    On the other hand, the Maestro bikes are all superb values in my view. Really excellent bikes for a reasonable amount of money. Now that I've seen pics of the bikes with the guard in place I've put them back on my short list.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Twister
    Ahhh,, the damage to the shuttle occured at normal temperature during the early part of the boost phase when a piece of foam, much softer than a rock or log, banged into the carbon leading edge of the wing at a relatively low velocity. Not bicycle speed, but not thousands of MPH either. The heat from reentry then entered the existing hole and destroyed the vehicle.

    But let's not quibble. I'm guessing that under severe use, like rolling over logs or banging into a big rock, the part will sometimes be damaged or destroyed. Since its not a load bearing part, it won't cause anything catastrophic to happen. As a mud guard, it should perform very well. If you use it as a skid plate don't be surprised if you break it.

    But I could be wrong.

    On the other hand, the Maestro bikes are all superb values in my view. Really excellent bikes for a reasonable amount of money. Now that I've seen pics of the bikes with the guard in place I've put them back on my short list.
    The temp during the morning of the launch was 26 F,the "soft" foam was frozen to minus 400 F to keep to fuel stabil,at that temp the foam insulation is as hard as rock.Just watched the Discovery doc on it.Ill let you know if I brake mine,Ill try my best this Sunday

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    My riding buddys getting his new Reign on Wednesday I chased Giant UK up about the shock guard = they didnt even know about it! Except for importing one from the U.S. or amking one - dunno what he'l do!

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    LOL Giant UK are about as useful as a third nipple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twister

    On the other hand, the Maestro bikes are all superb values in my view. Really excellent bikes for a reasonable amount of money. Now that I've seen pics of the bikes with the guard in place I've put them back on my short list.
    Do you have a link with the pics of the mud guard in place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uberman
    Do you have a link with the pics of the mud guard in place.
    Sorry for the bad pic,to lazy to get the good camera
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uberman
    Do you have a link with the pics of the mud guard in place.
    Check out the Giant web site. Look at the mountain bike frames page.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twister
    Check out the Giant web site. Look at the mountain bike frames page.
    Will do Twister. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tkrutis
    Sorry for the bad pic,to lazy to get the good camera
    Good enough for me. The mud guard looks great. Thanks for the picture.

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    I love that I paid $35 for this thing, and it didn't come with any mounting screws.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loco-gringo
    I love that I paid $35 for this thing, and it didn't come with any mounting screws.
    Yeah -whats up with that .I thought I must have dropped them.My computer mounting screws worked,lucky I had a couple of old ones.Maybe they are "Aftermarket" as well.Giant dropped the ball on this one

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    2005 Trance shock guards...

    Any chances there will be a Giant or aftermarket shock guard for the 2005 Trance's as well?

    If anyone knows a firm, I'll be happy to hear!

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    do you know something about a shockguard for 05 models?

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    Was riding with a freind of mine who has an 05 R3,I dont think you need one on the 05

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    i think the pivot/bush is not far away from the ground so i will make a shockguard for my baby. so it won´t be damaged.

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    Stupid carbon guard was cracked on the first ride on a rocky trail. Not from a ledge, but from a rock flying up. Seems cheesy and lame for a high priced guard.

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    get some nylon re-inforced rubber/mud flap and cut the guard out of that. I have such a guard on my '05 Trance and it's worked great for about 8 months now - 'bout 1/4" thick..

    Quote Originally Posted by loco-gringo
    Stupid carbon guard was cracked on the first ride on a rocky trail. Not from a ledge, but from a rock flying up. Seems cheesy and lame for a high priced guard.
    One day your life will flash before your eyes, will it be worth watching??

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    Quote Originally Posted by loco-gringo
    Stupid carbon guard was cracked on the first ride on a rocky trail. Not from a ledge, but from a rock flying up. Seems cheesy and lame for a high priced guard.

    Compression loads and impacts are the twin Achille's heels of carbon.

    I'm no materials engineer, but I think a high quality, thermoformed, engineering grade plastic would be better for this application.

    The polymer used to make the handle of Glock pistol's, for instance, is relatively simple to make, very light, and extremely durable under the type of loads this part is exposed to. It can be made in almost any color, and can be produced very inexpensively. It doesn't have carbons bling factor, but so what?

    If this part is intended to be a high markup, easily broken, and oft replaced profit maker then it is nearly perfect. If it is intended to compensate for a somewhat questionable design feature and provide good value to the consumer it should be redone. IMNSHO.

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    Reality check...

    So, we have one $65 OEM carbon shock guard broken upon initial use.

    What are these guards supposed to do again?

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    It's supposed to keep crud from flying up into the well the lower end of the shock sits in and off the shock slider itself, which is totally exposed.

    It's right in the area of the down tube that is frequently dinged and dented on high milage and hard ridden off road bikes. Check out the pictures earlier in the thread.

    A ten or twelve dollar bit of fiberglass reinforced nylon (zytel) would do this as well as the oh so cool sixty-five buck carbon bit, and be way, way less likely to break.

    I see an opportunity for an aftermarket shop to make a few bucks here.

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    Since we're all posting our shock guards...

    Here's one I fashioned out of some rubber I got in the HD flooring department - $3 for a 5"x36" piece, from which I should be able to make about 10 of them, if necessary. Covers the whole opening to keep out the gunk. Not extremely stiff, but then I've been reading here about how the other materials are just breaking on impact anyway. Seems like a good bash from a log is probably gonna push all but the strongest material (e.g., 1.5mm alum, diamond plate) right up into the bottom of the shock shaft anyway.
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    Cleaning would be a pain with the carbon guard on? I have found that the Trance (05 version) has heaps more nooks and crannies to clean the dirt out of.

    Australia will be getting the US style frame in about August this year (I was told June but apparently it's the lower end bikes that are being released then).

    I made a cheapo and quick guard for my 05 style frame to protect the shock from crud - just wondering would I be better off just buying a lizard skin shock sock? What are your opinions on those - I don't see that many around?
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    Shock guard

    Energetix, Ive used both a neoprene (lizard skin style) shock sock and my home made aluminium checker plate since ride one on my 05 reign. Ive found that during summer when the trails are dusty the aluminium guard still doesnt keep the dust off the shock and even when the tracks get muddy during winter the shock still gets the odd dose of mud. I feel that the more protection from mud and dust the better. After all the shock is one of the most expensive and vital components on our bikes, and with a little extra care it can be running smooth for years.

    By the way congrats on your new bike. Good to see you finally made up your mind and ouch, that knee looks a bit nasty. Enjoy !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman/GER
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    do you know something about a shockguard for 05 models?
    You can really easily make one out of anything really. I used one other blokes idea of an A4 folder cover - the type that has plastic sleeves inside (guess they're called display folders or something). Anyway it's cheap and quick and if you make several templates at the same time - easily replaceable.
    The main purpose of having one on the 05 model would be to keep crud off the shock.

    This was like a 5 minute job! I will make it a bit better next time.





    And here is one someone else made:

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    Love those simple self made guards, Great ideas I'll need for my 2006 reign...

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    I know it's over a year since this was last active.. but I've got a 2005 Reign 3 and am looking for a shock guard to fit.
    Looking back through the post, I see that many of you have fabricated your own.. can I be cheeky and ask if one of you could please send me the drawings/dimensions so I can get the engineers shop at work to fabricate on for me.
    I'm not 100% with my measurements and don't want to have to keep going back to them with modifications.. can't bring the bike to work either..

    So.. anyone got some nice tech drawings I could have..??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twister
    I'm not so sure. Carbon is incredibly strong in terms of strength-to-weight in bending loads, but it isn't very tough. Impact loads tend to cause it to shatter as several US astronauts found out a couple years ago.

    It is also quite susceptable to abrasion damage.

    It's not going to cause a crash if it fails in this application but if it's 40 bucks a pop I'd hate to have to buy many of them.

    I have had many small rocks smash into my carbon aftermarket shock protector. I know it because on impact I would hear that rock to plastic type ping, which I never heard before I put it on. The thing doesn't have a scratch on it. I just take it off and wipe it down when I clean the RP3. Had to spend the $55 though.

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    So hey - I'm new here,
    Just got my Reign 2 frame today, haven't got the forks yet and i'll be transfering as much hardware from my old bike over, but I found this thread and the whole shock guard/frame guard/ shock sock thing caught my eye, a few years ago I had a kona and the coil shock always got caked up and I never did anything about it, being in Wales there is always more mud than dust.
    Anyway, i spent an hour this morning massacring a tesco tomato ketchup bottle to create this -


    Now I know it's not metal but I figure if you bash it hard a metal one may knacker the frame bolt or even the frame, so if it gets damaged i make another one, it should stop a lot of mud getting in from spray from the front tyre.

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    Looks like that would do the trick as a mud guard, but as you say not take much abuse - maybe cut 2 of them and bolt them on so it's a bit sturdier. I keep one on my RIP9 now also but it;a mainly there as a protector for the lower links as I've had rocks hit there the size of 2 fists and it wasn't pretty, but luckily didn't damage anything.

    Quote Originally Posted by ir803
    So hey - I'm new here,
    Just got my Reign 2 frame today, haven't got the forks yet and i'll be transfering as much hardware from my old bike over, but I found this thread and the whole shock guard/frame guard/ shock sock thing caught my eye, a few years ago I had a kona and the coil shock always got caked up and I never did anything about it, being in Wales there is always more mud than dust.
    Anyway, i spent an hour this morning massacring a tesco tomato ketchup bottle to create this -


    Now I know it's not metal but I figure if you bash it hard a metal one may knacker the frame bolt or even the frame, so if it gets damaged i make another one, it should stop a lot of mud getting in from spray from the front tyre.
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    I'm going to be making one of these out of a cheap plastic cutting board. Its 1/8" thick and will heat mold it w/ a hot air gun. I'll post pics when its finished.
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