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    Noisy Hayes Strokers

    I bought a 2008 trance x1 with the stroker trail disc brakes. I like the stopping power of the brakes but they squeal realy bad whenever I'm breaking. Any cure for this?

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    Best suggestion is to call Hayes tech support direct and get professional help. When I had some issues I called them and they got me dialed in. They were more than happy to help solve my problem.

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    I have a 2008 X2 and mine started squealing today.... 4th ride since I bought the bike.

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    I have an 08 X1 and the brakes started squeaking after the first ride; under braking and now continuously while rolling...sounds like a squeaky old 3 speed bike coming down the road...was going to have the shop sort it out when i brought it in for a tune, but maybe i'll reach out to Hayes first...

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    Hayes did me right when my brakes were squealing on my 08 Trance X2.
    Even gave me an upgrade...although I biatched like hell...

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    Just take the rotors off, and resurface them with either scotch brite pads or a 90 degree, with scuffing pad, and make sure they are centered. Thats just if you want to do them yourself.
    I run through creeks, lite mud and dust every ride and I say that all brakes will eventually do this, ecspecially after you clean it with certain chemicals.
    Mine started sounded like this after the first ride, and I had to do something, because I ride weather permitting every other day and dont have time to take it to the shop.
    Just my opinion, Good luck.

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    I contacted Hayes about my brakes. They agreed to send me an upgraded set of brake pads without any hesitaton. As soon as I get them installed and a ride on them I will update the thread with the results.

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    Yes, please let us know because Im tired of reworking them after 3 or 4 rides, plus Im due a new set of pads and was thinking about changing the brakes completely, if they didnt offer a better set than what came with the brakes. Dont get me wrong I honestly like the brakes but that dam squeal/howl gets old.
    Thanks Jason

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    I just installed the new brake pads sent by Hayes. As soon as I get a ride in on them I will post results. I may be screwed this weekend though since the forecast is rain in my area.

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    Rain here to, where are you located?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Screamer
    Hayes did me right when my brakes were squealing on my 08 Trance X2.
    Even gave me an upgrade...although I biatched like hell...
    I went from the first batch of Ryders they built in the beginning of the year to a newer Carbon and everything is fine now.
    From what I've read the first run of brakes built, the 08 series of the Stroker brake, weren't all that great.
    A lot of complaints of noise because of brakes not fiting or not designed for certain bikes and some brakes weren't properly built.
    Brakes were being shipped with missing compression/coil springs or lack of lubricant which causes sticking of brakes.

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    I'm in Houston, Texas. What about you?

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    Canton GA, about 30 miles north of Atlanta GA. A long ways from Texas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TakoKichi
    I went from the first batch of Ryders they built in the beginning of the year to a newer Carbon and everything is fine now.
    From what I've read the first run of brakes built, the 08 series of the Stroker brake, weren't all that great.
    A lot of complaints of noise because of brakes not fiting or not designed for certain bikes and some brakes weren't properly built.
    Brakes were being shipped with missing compression/coil springs or lack of lubricant which causes sticking of brakes.
    I'm trying to diagnose my brake noise. How do you know if you have an early production brake? Do they have serial numbers or something?

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    How is the riding out there? We got swamped with rain today so it will be about a week before I get to test out the new pads.

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    Well, we are expecting rain Sunday, and between work and baseball games I havent gotten to ride since last Sunday. Hoping the rain comes in late Sunday evening, so I can sneak in about 10-15 miles Sunday morning.
    Im still working my way back, due to a hernia surgery back in Jan.
    Well maybe you will get to ride soon.
    Be good, Jason

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    OK, I just got my first ride in with the new brake pads Hayes sent me. The result...same problem with the howling. I'm thinking it might even be louder now. I'm like WTF? I was able to isolate it to only the front brake though. Does anyone have a solution for this? I'm trying to avoid dropping coin for a new brake set but I don't know what else to do.

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    Dang, did you sand or scuff the rotors before you installed the new pads? I would try that, and I know this is going to sound crazy but scuff the pads as well while your at it. I will usually scuff the rotors and pads after 6 rides or so. If you do try scuffing the pad itself, make sure the sanding surface is flat, like taking some 180 or 220 grit paper and lay it on a flat surface and just lightly scuff the pad flat until the pad looks clean.
    It doesnt take as much lifespan away from the pad as you would think.

    Just my experience and solution to my problems with this situation.
    Good Luck man.

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    Almost forgot, make sure the rotor is centered as much as possible.

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    It has to be a setup problem if you are howling with the new pads. The OEM pads do seem to make a strange 'I forgot to oil my chain' sound but once I started using the new pads, the sound is gone - even in heavy mud and rain. Maybe check to be sure both pistons are moving. You can do that by holding one side and CAREFULLY pulling the lever to push out the other piston then do it to the other side. That happened on my old XTR brakes and it fixed the sound issue with those.
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    I think it is something to do with the Strokers caliper design. I've run plenty of brake in the past and never had them howl like my Strokers do. The Juicy's turkey warble pales in comparison IMO. Hayes CS was super helpful and accommodating, I've gotten two free sets of pads and even a pair of riding socks over the ordeal. While I am very impressed with their service and the reps that helped me I'm done with trying to make these brakes work quietly.

    Avid Elixers have been ordered off of Ebay, should be on the bike in a few days.
    Bike good, work bad.

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    I adjusted the caliper to center better over the rotor. I will try and give a test ride later today to see if it made a difference. As far as testing the piston by holding one side while sqeezing the lever, is this ok to do with the wheel off?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clutchman83
    I think it is something to do with the Strokers caliper design. I've run plenty of brake in the past and never had them howl like my Strokers do. The Juicy's turkey warble pales in comparison IMO. Hayes CS was super helpful and accommodating, I've gotten two free sets of pads and even a pair of riding socks over the ordeal. While I am very impressed with their service and the reps that helped me I'm done with trying to make these brakes work quietly.

    Avid Elixers have been ordered off of Ebay, should be on the bike in a few days.
    I'm trying to avoid dropping the coin on some Avid Elixers. I want to save the money to order them for a Santa Cruz build I'm working on. But they would deffinitely be my choise of upgrade.

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    I contaced Hayes again since I also have front brake rub I cannot get rid of no matter how many times I adjust the front caliper. Hayes said that there may be too much fluid in the line and to let a little out through the bleed screw and by pressing on the pistons. I did it and it seems that there may be less noise now when braking but I still have the brake rub. The tire spins fine without rub when in my bike stand but as soon as I get on the bike and the wheel starts rolling I can hear the rotor rubbing. Any suggestions?

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    maybe your hub is loose. It doesn't rub on the stand because there is no lateral force on the wheel. Check your cones. Has happened to me a couple times.

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    Can you be more specific? I'm not sure what the cones are and how to tighten the hub if it is loose. I'm just getting into my own wrenching.

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    Well one way to check is to have the wheel on the bike and try and rock the wheel perpendicularly to the way it rotates.. If it rocks around relative to the axle it means your hub is loose.

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    Makes sense, I was cleaning mine after Sundays ride and noticed mine was loose. Never thought about that helping create the sound, Good Tip.

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    A buddy and I checked the hub. It was not loose. I tried readjusting the scewer several times in the droppout. I decided I'm done wasting time with these brakes. I think one or more of the pistons in the front caliper is screwed. I'm going on a three day adventure next week and I want my Trance X1 to perform so I bought some Avid Elixer R's and I am putting them on. I will probably never own another set of Hayes brakes.

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    Good luck with the new brakes, and have fun on the adventure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DTL
    A buddy and I checked the hub. It was not loose. I tried readjusting the scewer several times in the droppout. I decided I'm done wasting time with these brakes. I think one or more of the pistons in the front caliper is screwed. I'm going on a three day adventure next week and I want my Trance X1 to perform so I bought some Avid Elixer R's and I am putting them on. I will probably never own another set of Hayes brakes.
    The Elixer R's are fantastic. I've had a couple runs on mine and they are awesome. You won't be disappointed.
    Bike good, work bad.

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    I always find it strange when someone replaces a product that has had a few problems with a product famous for having the same problems…

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    Lol yeah Avid has a pretty bad reputation for being finicky which I have found to be totally justified. Also in regards to lose hub/cones, I wasn't referring to a lose or improperly tightened skewer (in case there was some confusion).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benno
    Lol yeah Avid has a pretty bad reputation for being finicky which I have found to be totally justified. Also in regards to lose hub/cones, I wasn't referring to a lose or improperly tightened skewer (in case there was some confusion).
    No, the hub seems to be fine. No lateral movment when trying to manipulate the tire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clutchman83
    The Elixer R's are fantastic. I've had a couple runs on mine and they are awesome. You won't be disappointed.
    I've got the elixers installed. They already feel better over the strokers. Hopefully they won't start displaying the same symptoms over time. I'll be giving it a good test next week during a three day venture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EGF168
    I always find it strange when someone replaces a product that has had a few problems with a product famous for having the same problems…
    What brakes are you running? Have you had a bad experience with avids?

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    I’ve got two sets of Stroker’s, they’re not amazingly quiet and one lever seems to be getting pretty slow but other than that they’ve been great brakes.

    I’m just saying that replacing Hayes brakes with Avid brakes may not be a good idea if you want quiet brakes because Avid Juicy’s are famous for making all kinds of noises and the two sets of Elixir’s I’ve tried were much nicer brakes but no quieter. Squeaking, squealing, whistling, chirping, turkey warble…I’ve had it all on my set of Juicy Fives and every other Avid brake I’ve tried has had at least one of those problems.

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    OK so I've got about three rides in on the new avid elixir r's. So far, so good. They are quiet, good stopping power and the levers feel a lot better as far as pad contact. They feel a lot like the shimano's I had on my old stumpy. The stopping power of the hayes strokers was great but the constant noise and having to adjust, no good. I like these brakes so far and am glad I upgraded. Hope this helps for those contemplating a similar upgrade.

    Anyone interested in a discounted set of hayes stroker trails with rotors?

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    Just got a new Trance X2. Fantastic bike, the suspension is unbelievable.
    The Hayes Stroker brakes however, really suck. On my bike, the brakes work fine until you really clamp down on them, then they make noise that sounds like the wheel is coming apart. Both the front and rear do it. It's kind of a "pulsating" noise; I thought it might have something to do with the holes in the rotor having burrs on them or something like that. As you clamp down on the brakes, the noise changes to a vibration that makes it sound like the spokes are breaking.
    Too bad. This is a great bike, the brakes are really the only bad thing about it.

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    Finding the same problem with my 08 Reign 1 Hayes Stroker quipped; front brake yells so loud it's annoying but useful to warn hikers on multiuse trails. My riding enjoyment has dropped significantly as a result of the noise, the rotor does not appear to be centered in the brakes. ARRG!

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    I contacted Hayes about this Stroker Trail noise problem. John Trusky got back to me right away with this information:

    First thing to check is the spoke tension of the wheel. Odd ball I know, but an over tensioned wheel is often times a good contributor to brake noise. From there, make sure that all hardware is torqued down properly and that the rotor mount screws are tightened in the overlapping triangle pattern. That one I admit I've no idea why it makes a difference, but in a few cases it has. From there you can also think about how much use you've put on the brakes, and how you burned them in. If you didn't bed the pads in properly (slow gradual stops to let the pad material deposit evenly PRIOR TO going for a ride) then that there can be the culprit. If the pads aren't bedded in properly, they can glaze over, essentially putting some rosin on the bow. To remedy this, remove the wheel, then remove the pads. Break the glaze up by using the edge of a CLEAN file and lightly rough up the surface of the pad. After you do this, install the pads and wheels and then go burn the brake in by dragging it slowly to a stop around the block a few times.

    Now, if all of this doesn't solve the problem, it could be that a pair of the semi metallic pads will remedy this for you, and I can send a pair out to you on one condition: you MUST clean the rotor off thoroughly using isopropyl alcohol and a clean rag before burning them in. No need in keeping the same problem around, right?


    I did break in the pads before I went riding, checked out all the other stuff he suggested and carefully centered the calipers, which were off center from the LBS where I bought the bike. I took him up on the offer of different brake pads. In return; I offered to do a careful test of both sets of pads and make the results of the test available to him and to post here so we can figure out what the deal is. The Trance X is too nice of a bike to have this problem and I've had Hayes disc brakes for a number of years without issue. I've worked on plenty of auto, motorcycle and bicycle disc brakes so I'm hopeful there is a solution to the problem.
    The new pads are on their way, I'll try to figure out how to make these brakes work like they are supposed to.

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    thanks for the good info!

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    I installed the semi-metallic pads on my stroker trails a few weeks ago and it has pretty much taken care of all the annoying noise. Only the occasional sounds under hard braking now. I love the '08 Trance x1, but these brakes have been a real hassle. Found the pads at Price Point for about $18/pr.

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    I know I am bumping up an old thread, but is it just the huge power that causes these brakes to make that noise? Mine are a tad noisy, but they are also more powerful than the Avids they replaced.

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    i think this may be a damping issue. car and motorcycle drivers often use copaslip on backs of brakepads.. i am going to try that.

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