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    New, 2010 Glory freeride build

    This is a crosspost from RM.

    Hi Guys,
    my frame has just arrived. It looks really good
    However, factory, somehow, managed to build S size frame 150g heavier than Nate's and ekipper's M size frames?! I hope no one left a wrench in downtube...

    Anyway, I started building it yesterday.
    This is how it's gonna be speced.

    FRAME Glory DH S frame, dropout, shock
    REAR AXLE new Giant Alu axle
    HEADSET new FSA 1,5"-1,125" headset (108g) lite blue
    FORK 2010 RS Totem Solo Air 1,5"-1,125" white
    SHOCK Fox RC4 v Manitou Evolver ISX 6 Air
    HANDLEBAR 31.8 Gravity Carbon 710mm 25mm rise
    STEM Pro FSR FR/DH 50mm black
    SEAT POST Giant Connect SL CF
    SEAT CLAMP Hope seat clamp QR black
    SADDLE Tioga MC Lite Ti black
    PEDALS Syncros Traverse AM black
    SHIFTERS Sram X-9 Trigger
    CHAIN DEVICE new e13 LG1+ 40t
    REAR MECH Sram X.9 short
    BRAKES Avid Elixir CR Carbon
    BRAKE LEVER Avid Elixir CR Carbon
    CASSETTE Shimano SLX 11-18t
    CHAIN KMC X9 SL gold
    CRANKS Saint 815 165/83
    BOTTOM BRACKET Saint
    CHAINWHEEL E13 38t
    RIMS Dartmoor Raider 32 black (local, Polish brand)
    HUBS Hope Pro II black
    SPOKES DT Competition black with black, alu teflon nipples
    TYRES Maxxis Minion DHF/R 2.35 2ply
    INNERTUBES Maxxis FlyWeight 26"


    I am still waiting for brakes, rear mech, shifter (+matchmaker), stem, seatpost tires and tubes.

    Set of wheels weighs 2010g. I hope Dartmoor rims will last more than few days in mountains.

    Complete bike will be around 15,6kg (34,40lbs) with RC4. I hope I will get Evolver as a second shock. The weight will drop to ca. 15,10kg, then.

    Headtube/fork looks a little bit weight. Like it was bent backwards. But, I think it's just a picture. It doesn't look very steep for me, though.

    I will post more pics when more parts arrive
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    Good job!

    Nice bike, not to heavy i think
    I'm waiting for the photos of the complete build & in action, dirty.
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    Reminds me a bit of my build

    2010 Glory Frame (Med)
    DHX RC4 - 400lb spring (had 450lb when weighed, but was too stiff)
    Totem Coil (could save some weight changing it to Soloair)
    Hammerschmidt AM 170mm cranks, running 24t right now
    Deity Decoy Pedals
    Truvative 780mm BooBar
    Avid Elixers CR 203 rotors
    Lizard Skin Peaty grips, with blue ODI clamps
    X9 shifters
    X0 Rear Der
    XT cassette 11-34
    Gravity Dropper 4" & 1" drops
    WTB Silverado SLT Saddle
    Chris King Hubs (32 spoke)
    Stans Flow Rims
    DT Supercomp spokes
    Hutchinson Barracuda 2.3 tires, run tubeless with 1.5 cups of Stan's each.

    37lbs 2oz on Go-Ride's scale!! Things are never as light as the manufacturers spec them. That and they don't include things like cables, brake fluid, hoses, etc. I find my bikes are always about 500g over the predicted weight.









    I think Giant is missing the boat by building the Faith instead of just building up these with more of a freeride build.

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    Our bikes are not too far one from another, indeed
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    Why did they decide to run the cable/hose under the downtube instead of above it? Spells shuttle disaster. Those are going to get trashed hanging over a tailgate getting up to the trails.

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    Design over functionality, I am afraid
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    I highly recommend padding the tailgate well, but I would do that even if it didn't have cables and tubes there.

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    phatfreeheeler - could you take some real world measurement of the effective top tube and reach of your medium? thx.

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    If anyone out there with a large frame could measure center of bottom bracket to top center of head tube I would be very appreciative. 6' 1" and trying to decide between M/L. Nice steeds by the way. I'm excited about finally riding a light weight bike...

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    I've gotten lots of questions about my bike so I figure I should post some feedback somewhere and this thread is probably about as close a description as it gets.

    Sorry, haven't gone nuts trying to measure it. Keep in mind anything I measure is going to have quite a tolerance since a tape measure is not an accurate way to measure a frame.

    Instead I rode the crap out of it down in Moab so I have lots of real world feedback. I'm 160lbs wet and 5'10" with a balanced sizing except for slightly long arms.

    Keep in mind, my latest stable before building this bike had...
    DH - Transition Blindside built up burly with a 888, huge tires, and a dual ring
    XC/Trail/FR - Reign X, with the GD, Totem (this Glory now has) and several wheel, tire, and shock options. Varied from 34-38lbs depending on build. This became my do everything bike when the Blindside was stolen.

    So on to the Glory with my crazy build. Keep in mind the light wheels and gravity dropper will be swapped out for lift served, and I might even go Boxxer for Whistler next year if the DH damper doesn't make the Totem pure butter.

    1st off, with the 400lb spring I get just under 30% sag, so for true DH racing I would probably go 350lbs and add more boost pressure and bottom out resistance. As is, I still need to dial in the shock and that's expected since it's not a simple shock. Lots to mess with. Currently 130psi, 3-5 slow, 1-2 fast, 6-8 bottom out, 4-5 rebound. The back feels more plush than the front, but it's a pretty darn nice combo.

    Everyone asks about the seat position. I actually moved the seat back a touch to get it where I wanted it. I could pedal this bike just fine for even long climbs. Not sure if the GD is happy at such a slack angle, but it works. The bars are huge, very fun everywhere except loading a shuttle vehicle, going between tight stuff (I got ripped to ground while going through a cattle guard at 20mph), and super tight corners the bars crowd my knee. I probably will cut them down to 29.5".

    The bike does not feel long at all, maybe a tad shorter than the X. It is quick and very flicky (partially due to the weight). I think the wide bars pull you farther forward so that adds to short feel. The HT feels plenty slack for me. Maybe too steep for some, but I wouldn't change it at all. Pretty much just like my Reign X with this fork. The BB is low like the X. I actually used the bash on the hammerschmidt. The fit and feel is really similar to that bike, but with a significant improvement through rough chatter which is so common in Moab. It jumps really, really nicely, but a lot of that is suspension setup. The Reign still jumps a tad bit better I'd say. Partially cause the low TT. I think I need to add more bottom out for all the drops to flat down there.

    The Hammerschmidt is RAD. When climbing it feels just like my Reign X in the 24 tooth which isn't bad at all. However when riding through rough sections, just pedal and everything smooths out. The Reign doesn't do that in the 36 tooth. It's funny, coasting is always more rough than pedaling with the Hammerschmidt on this bike. Any fear of pedal feedback at speeds or off drops is dead in my mind. Too much else is happening for you to detect anything of the sort. Any bike that you are riding on tight, technical trails would benefit from it. It's so worth the weight Engagement is actually pretty good because the 24 points of engagement have nothing to do with what gear you are in, unlike a rear hub. I love the fact that you can use a 24/11 combo and have plenty of chain tension and no cross chain feel.

    Downtube cable routing, so far it's ok, but I think I'll cover them with something to help protect them right under the BB. Also, the downtube is super wide, so I do wonder how it would be to have a DC fork in tight corners.

    I would have liked the black 01 frame, but I guess that would add the weight of more paint.

    I guess that's it for now. These types of builds are the future of trail bikes IMHO, just wait.

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    Thanks for the write up! Stoked that the gravity dropper is working on there.
    Light frame+ nuetral geometry= a bike that can do almost everything!
    I think alot of people that rode the glory at demo days that had a negative experience were on oversprung shocks. According to this http://www.tftunedshox.com/info/spring_calculator.aspx , the medium size comes set up for a 215# rider. That would make the bike feel alot steeper/ stink-bug in the steeper sections. Thanks again for the info, and look forward to hearing more.

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    Nice builds but why didn't you pick up a new faith for the type of builds you have done??

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    Me, because I wanted to keep 200mm travel and have HA a little bit slacker than i had on 2008 Glory... and because it came with RC4
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    BTW, I have a Fox 40 on mine and I have not noticed any problem with head tube interference due to its size. I think the Fox 40 has a wider crown than the Boxxer which might be a little too narrow for the frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phatfreeheeler
    I guess that's it for now. These types of builds are the future of trail bikes IMHO, just wait.
    Thanks for the short review. I haven't seen anyone install Hammerschmidt on a Maestro bike. Your impressions make for a good read.
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    I too wanted 8"/200mm of travel. After spending a week in Whistler on my Reign X totally beefed up with this Totem, strong wheels w/10mm bolt on rear, huge tires, and short cranks, I came to the conclusion that I wanted more plushness from the back of the bike. The 1/4" increase going to the Faith didn't seem like enough of a gain. The frames are almost identical weights, and a bit more slack up front. The only questions for me was how it would work with the Hammerschmidt and if the slack seatpost would be awkward. At this point, I'd say the slack seatpost is a good thing because it puts the seat in a good climbing position and then way forward for descending, but it's a bit creaky with the GD. Probably needs a rebuild as it's many years old now.

    Good to hear about the Fox 40, but man that would be an expensive add on.

    I was talking with Scott at Go-ride today about how cool it would be to put a Faith rear triangle on a Glory to gain the adjustable axle position. We discussed it right after I pedalled around on the Faith 1 they just built up. I will say it is a beautiful bike.

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    Building a reign X can't figure out what parts

    But I never heard a real ride review so this was a bit of an experiment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phatfreeheeler
    I too wanted 8"/200mm of travel. After spending a week in Whistler on my Reign X totally beefed up with this Totem, strong wheels w/10mm bolt on rear, huge tires, and short cranks, I came to the conclusion that I wanted more plushness from the back of the bike. The 1/4" increase going to the Faith didn't seem like enough of a gain. The frames are almost identical weights, and a bit more slack up front. The only questions for me was how it would work with the Hammerschmidt and if the slack seatpost would be awkward. At this point, I'd say the slack seatpost is a good thing because it puts the seat in a good climbing position and then way forward for descending, but it's a bit creaky with the GD. Probably needs a rebuild as it's many years old now.

    Good to hear about the Fox 40, but man that would be an expensive add on.

    I was talking with Scott at Go-ride today about how cool it would be to put a Faith rear triangle on a Glory to gain the adjustable axle position. We discussed it right after I pedalled around on the Faith 1 they just built up. I will say it is a beautiful bike.
    We just got a Faith 1 in our shop today as well... I'm going to swap the dropouts eventually to see the differences... Seems like such a subtle change. It is a beautiful bike though.

    They dropped the ball not using them on the Glory IMO...
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    Quote Originally Posted by phatfreeheeler
    Building a reign X can't figure out what parts

    But I never heard a real ride review so this was a bit of an experiment.
    Wow, that's interesting... Time for a thread resurrection!
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    The internet sounds like a tough place to ride.

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    It's almost finished :)

    (crosspost from RM)

    So, my new, 2010 Glory "freeride" is almost done
    I have cancelled my order at MerlinCycles for Avid Elixir CR Carbon brakes after 2 weeks waiting w/o precise ETD from the shop :|
    I bought regular Elixirs CR locally. I'm gonna try to get carbon levers later
    Stem hasn't arrive, yet, so what You can see on pics, is just a stem, which allowed me to assemble the bike.
    Giant Connect SL carbon seatpost is on the way.
    As You can see, complete bike wieghs 15,86kg so just under 35lbs (34,93 to be exact). I think I am going to shave about 100g by cutting steerer and assembling the rest of planned components So, 15,75kg (34,69lbs).
    It makes 150g more than I expected... donno why

    At least one tip for future builders.
    In order to avoid rear brake cable damage, You can miss bottom cable mount, pass cable between bottom link and BB tube, then, if You have Elixirs with moving banjo, use middle mount on the left chainstay and end at the calipper.
    This is very smooth and much saver way to have the cable attached. I check lenght growth at full suspension compression and it's not and issue.
    The only thing You have to do, is to protect frame and cable here and there from scratching.

    Rear mech cable is a different story... I wanted to keep it inside the chainstay, so I'm just going to protect it with nice, black, 1mm wall, tube I found at the gardening shop. It's not installed yet, but as soon as it is, I will shop some pics.





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    i was wondering two things about the new glory,is it like the old 8.0 inches of travel on the glory zero(which i have) or a shorter version of the 8.8, which is supposed to ramp up less and be better for blazing fast race lines. The ramping up version is better for drops.
    second ,the hammerschmidt, giant says their maestro suspension would bob,(inch worm) alot with hammerschmidt,are you ignoring it?,do you notice it at all?,or does it not seem to be as bad as giant seems to feel? i don't think they have anything against sram, they use alot of their parts on various builds,so i think giants concern is legit.Some people just don't pedal their freeride bikes that far,or not much climbing,i know people that are off their bikes ,walking, so early in a climb it's ridiculous, they should't even bother having low gears.

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    It pedals fine with the Hammerschmidt. Even Krispy was surprised how well it did. I think it's as simple as Giant didn't design it with Hammerschmidt in mind, so they can't say to use it. I would gladly pedal this bike up several thousand vert. Other than being 1.5lbs heavier than my Reign X, it pretty much climbs the same.

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    It's finally rideable

    (crosspost from RM)

    Hi Guys,
    PRO stem arrived yesterday. The best word that discribes it is "simple". It's black matt with some barely visible satin graphcs. It has pretty narrow front cap/plate, about 40mm on the line of bolts. Bolts are steel, but... it's light. It's 136g! And local retail is 3x lower that Thomson 4x. I doubt it's 3 times worse.







    So, I can ride my new Glory, finally. Unfortunatelly, it's ugly autumn, here :| Got to wait for some dry and warm days. Or maybe I will manage to go on French/Italian coast during winter

    With proper stem and cut steerer, weight went down to 15,74kg (34,67lbs), already. With CF seatpost, some titanium bolts I ordered and KCNC QR seat clamp I should shave another 80-100g and that's it. No more pimpin'



    How do You like it? Any suggestions?
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    Cut the zip ties and you could save a few more grams
    Nice build. Can't abide by carbon bars, though, but to each their own.
    How about a ride report when you get that thing rollin? I'm having to live vicariously until I get the money to get a frame! How was it installing the LG 1+? Is that as far as you can rotate it clockwise?

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    Already did... no weight change, though
    Go to do something about front brake cable. 90cm seems to be too long. However, it has an advantage when You fall and the h-bar goes more than 180*
    I have to wait for better weather :|
    LG1+ installation was a little bit tricky. It's not easy to put bolts when Saint crankarms are on, already. I ended up with longer bolts and two thicker (2mm) washers on each. Comparing to ->2009 Glory and LG1, You have to use Normal backplate setting, instead of Wide backplate. The backplate is not all the way clockwise, yet. I set upper slider to be similar as in the Manual. And I still have about 1cm of space between chainstay and bottom pulley.
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    Frango- just noticed your pedals- syncros traverse. Never seen them before. How are you liking them? The weight is good at 320g - lighter than XT's -with a platform. And SPD compatible...hmm.

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    Well, they passed parking lot test
    Clicking in and out seems pretty similar to Shimano DX I have been using for two seasons. My only concern is carbon-nylon composite platform. First encouter wit rock will tell if it's strong enough...
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    How do You like it?
    very nice bike.


    Any suggestions?
    shorten the front brake hose.

    can you report what the actual BB height, and head tube angle, are for this bike build?

    thanks.
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    Nice build. Sounds crazy light for FR. Interested to hear how those rims do and the ultralight tubes. I can't even keep DH tubes from tearing, so I always run tubeless.

    You're brave, I hate leaving the ground with clipless pedals these days

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    I will certainly do something about the hose. But, longer hoses has an advantage while using single crown fork. It's not that easy to damage them.
    I checked BB height and HA few days ago. It was 355mm (13,97") and 65* respectively.

    From what I heard from some friends of mine, these rims are quite tough for that weight. I've been using Mavics EN321 for two seasons. I am light (150lbs with gear) and I don't plow. I hope these hoops will last as long as Mavics. If not, I will replace them with new for just 15$ at LBS!
    Concerning lightweight tubes. They do pretty well with 2ply Maxxis tires. Two weeks in Morzine with two flats, a week in Polish mountains on quite rocky trails with no flats. All the time at sub 2 BAR pressure.
    I've been running clipless pedals for about 12-13 years. I just can't use anything else. I am too old and too lazy to learn how to handle the bike on flats
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    Photoshooting

    Well, I couldn't wait more, a friend of mine had free studio so, we took some pics of my Glory



    As I already wrote, it is 15,74kg (34,67lbs) as it stands. Giant CF seatpost, Alligator WindCutter rotors and KCNC seatpost QR clamp are on the way. I have just bought caliper and rotor Ti bolts. I think the bike will lose at least 100g and, I swear, I don't put any jewelery on it more

    As soon as I get angle pic, I will post it

    PS. front hose look lame, but I think I'm gonna keep it as it is Just for safety
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    gotta go with the saints, i use them for xc,i got some older ones that bolt up triples.My xc bike is really just a slightly lightened free ride bike,.

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    Thats insane! Good job! I know nothing of those rims but other than that its a pretty solid build. Are you going to put a Ti spring on there as well?
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    liqwid, if I manage to find good deal for 375lbs spring, yes I will. The other option is to have second shock - Manitou Evolver ISX 6 Intrinsic. But it also depends on the price.
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    frango, Sweet ride.

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    wow VERY sweet build Frango, envious eyes are observing....erm, not my eyes lol but, some..ones. I got the Faith instead of the glory but have similar aspirations as you for build and matey, I completely agree with the peddle comment.

    And carbon bars rock...(until you ah...hit a rock that is, he he he) Ive got them on my FR sled and would never change unless doing extreme tricks and what not. Yet for FR and general Dh...no probs.

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    Now where is that "MORE bike PORN" emoticon...?

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    So, my buddy had a while to work on another pic of my bike. Here it is

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    the more I see this frame, the nicer it gets.

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    First ride :)

    (a crosspost from RM)

    Hi Guys,
    so, it was really nice day, yesterday and I finally managed to take my Glory for a ride
    There are not many places to ride, where I live, but there is one tiny hill where we dig. There are some bumps, doubles, waves, tiny step downs, etc.

    What I liked:
    The bike is even more beautiful in reality, everyone said

    It's really light when You pedal. You can easily accelerate.

    It pops, indeed I could pull it in the air noticeably easier then previous Glory.

    What I didn't:
    I wanted to set the suspension, so I turned all adjustments out. I was expecting it would bounce like a balloon... Well, no :| Is the shock factory tuned for the frame so it can't be set that way?

    The fork - it's not Giant's fault, but... I has very tight bushings. So, it's not that sensitive as 66... it will never be, I think. The good thing, there is no play, yet But, again, all the adjustment out, just 50 PSI in and it's sooo slooow :| I hope it will get better after few km/miles.

    The seatpost
    Quote Originally Posted by Natedog View Post
    Some guy at the factory put grease between parts of the seatpost head and no matter how strong you'd tighten it, you could change the angle of the saddle :| Moreover, the seat rails moved on the beds(?) Fortunately I had second one in the toolbox.
    I cleaned the head from grease and it's better now, but the saddle still moves.
    If I don't solve it, I think I will go for light 2 bolt seatpost. Like Thomson or something. Any suggestions?
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    single bolt seatposts are junk never found one that's worth a damn. Even the one on giant isp roadbike slips or creaks. Two bolt seatposts are the only way to go.

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    Yes, but which?
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    off the top of my head,thompson,truvative,control tech oh yeah kind of like syncros products. look for a 7005 or 7075 tubing spec if you want the strongest.

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    It seems seatpost problem has been solved. Everything is OK, besides the fact that single bolt design may not be the best for FR/DH.
    The problem is with saddle. I've got Tioga MC Lite Ti. And rails are not straight :| It's not a problem when You use KCNC Ti ProLite design s-post. Even my Zoom is OK. But, when You have Thomon, Giant, Syntace design, it probably won't work.
    I have to claim the saddle :|
    BTW, Giant's Connect SL CF (road) seatpost cut to 285mm weighs 211g.
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    2nd ride :)

    I have finally managed to ride my new rig out of town





    Totem works good, brakes are OK, under BB rear mech cable w/o issues, pedals work good The only thing is RC4 which IMO has too much compression damping.
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    Nice pictures! Glad to hear the pedals are working out, might have to get a set in the future. About the shock; I wonder if the 'custom tune for giant' isn't really just a regular 'B' tune. Didn't this happen when the Sunday was first released? -I'm talking about the Fox DHX here, not the Progressive.

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    I can't find any indication on the shock concerning factory/custom tune :| On Floats it was clear.
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    I have just came back from the same spot I had been last weekend. It was cool, same conditions. But, there was one important difference... It seems I have finally found proper spring... it's 300lbs... to 150lbs softer than the original one! What have they been thinking in the factory during choosing components?!
    Accordingly to TFTuned spring calculator, I should weigh about 90kg to use 450lbs spring installed on the frame! Completely insane! :O
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    Now that a Boxxer comes with three tuning springs, finally, it seems like bike manufacturers could include 3 shock springs. Maybe in 100# increments. Seems like the classy thing to do, especially when you've just dropped $2500 on a frame( ok, maybe not the Glory : ) . I've seen alot of people on oversprung bikes. Not so much with undersprung, as its definitely more obvious when you bottom out 10 times per run.

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    question the glory is a substantial bike would anyone reccomend it for full time downhill?

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    question the glory is a substantial bike would anyone reccomend it for full time downhill?

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    how do you like the totem? i currently have a 2010 boxxer team and am thinking of switching to a totem...

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    Well, You may have read or heard that many new Totems and Boxxers, as well, came with dry top seals and insufficient amount of Red Rum oil.
    After quick service it is still not as sensitive as old 66, but definitely better than at beginning.
    I hope it's gonna be better as I ride it more.
    I chose Totem Solo Air for the second time, because I like SC forks and it's lite and it was cheap
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    What I dont understand guys, and please dont get me wrong - your builds look awesome -, is why, would you buy a glory frame , a dedicated DH frame, and build the bike as a freeride bike??

    Why didng you just go for the Faith???


    Im very curious about

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    Quote Originally Posted by cesalec


    What I dont understand guys, and please dont get me wrong - your builds look awesome -, is why, would you buy a glory frame , a dedicated DH frame, and build the bike as a freeride bike??

    Why didng you just go for the Faith???


    Im very curious about
    Other than not having a round seat tube, why not? The frames are close in weight, you get more travel, similar geometry, ect.

    By todays standards, the geometry of the Glory is closer to most modern freeride bikes anyway!
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    more travel i guess, some people just look at the numbers 8.0>7.0, the faith has a more progressive rate to the suspension. It's similar to the different glorys from a couple of years ago, when i got mine,that year the dh(race) glorys had 8.8 inches of travel and the zero had a single crown and "only" 8 inches of travel. Basicly if you're going down a trail of boulders the longer travel ,less progressive, suspension will let the wheel move more without disturbing the stability of the rider. The progressive travel won't be as plush or fast through that type of trail,but on bigger hits that may slam bottom on the 8.0 the 7.0 won't. IF done properly it may be hard to tell visually ,if you looked at pics of both bikes landing off a fairly big jump they might both be in the last inch of travel but the less progressive longer travel may be slamming metal to metal, but the last inch of travel on the freeride is tough ,it's hard to bottom.If you know this about the different suspensions and you ride more like a race and don't really jump or do big drops ,the glory may be a good choice for free ride. When i look at the pricing i'm surprized anybody builds bikes part by part. If i were updating a bike with a new frame only,maybe, but if i need a frame and fork,i'd buy the complete in a minute the rest of the parts are very cheap at that point.

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    sorry man you got me kind lost in the explanation

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    what herbn's saying makes plenty of sense, depending on riding style and terrain some folks might prefer the suspension behavior of the glory vs. that of the faith. the glory's suspension has more "squish" but doesn't firm up towards the end of its travel so it's easier to bottom-out, where the faith's more progressive suspension soaks up big hits and landings without the tendency to bottom-out...
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    As others said, as long as you aren't a total hack it feels like a snappy 7" bike, but when hauling through the rough, the extra inch comes alive easily. The RC4 has quite a bit of damping, so personally I'm still dialing it all in. So far I would say it jumps better then any DH bike I've ever ridden. However, I've only got 7 days on it so far due to winter and that is the tread with most bikes lately.

    To answer the question, I went this route cause I needed a DH bike occasionally cause I ride with a bunch of solid racer types(and like to keep up or ride at least mid pack), but you are right, the rest of the time I'd be just fine on the Faith. I just can't afford both and I am sick of having a dedicated DH bike that is only at it's best 10 days a year. I was using the Reign X everywhere, but then it had to stay heavy and wasn't as fun for ~50 XC days a year. Now it's going on a diet and may be replaced with a Reign frame. Instead I will spend 30 min to switch the Glory to DH mode for those 10 days.

    Also, some of my friends ride Can Diggle's and Session's with Totem's as their trail bikes so it evens the playing field. Also, I can't stand missing a line cause I don't feel like I have enough bike for my skills. At 37 lbs w/Hammerschmidt I can go anywhere. This is all I bring to places like Moab.

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    Light frame+ nuetral geometry= a bike that can do almost everything!
    What do you mean by neutral geometry?? (im trying to learn something new)

    I am a fan of Giant since I ever rode my Reign 0 2008, and Im definititely considering getting a new bigger bike without being a DH bike. As for 2 of my bros they do need DH bikes (currently riding IH 7.3s).

    But for me it was always clear the the Glory , particularly the 2010 was due to geometry a dedicated Downhill bike.

    I have been watching the Pivot Firebird closely, but it goes only to 170mm forks (which is probably more than enough for me) but still the price tag is way to high...

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    now it kinda makes sense, there is something in the geometry of the Glory I like more over the Faith, and to be honest for my riding skills a double crown DH fork seems to much a liryk or Totem upt 180mm might even be to much for me....

    and I kinda dont like the reign X although the 2010 is huge improvement over any of the past.

    hmm well see, I have to wait the Euro to go up and the prices in america to come down so i can pull the trigger

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    an anodized black frame would be awesome =)))1

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    i think "neutral geometry" is just sort of a industry catch phraze,advertizing lingo, for not to steep and not to sluggish,mama bears' bike,just middle of the road.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cesalec


    What I dont understand guys, and please dont get me wrong - your builds look awesome -, is why, would you buy a glory frame , a dedicated DH frame, and build the bike as a freeride bike??

    Why didng you just go for the Faith???


    Im very curious about
    I decided to get Glory frame over Faith because of:
    slacker HA
    same weight but more travel
    RC4 shock
    colors and graphics
    and after I lost my previous Glory I already had my "almost-dream-setup" in my mind

    It seems I have forgotten to show Glory's latest 2009 version

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    I see, but what is the advantage of a slacker HA? do a couple of degrees make such a difference?

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    Oh, You would be surprised if You asked such question on RM
    You definitely feel the difference between nearly 67* on Faith and 64,5* (in fact) on Glory.
    Does it make me faster... maybe Time will show
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    Nah...ill give you a race frango on the Faith matey he he he, besides you have had too many beers bro so we'll take it to the next level lol...J/K

    BTW, your build came out really really nice...no bling is good but the rotors mate? I would have thought you would go floating rotors with those brakes because the stopping power and modulation is perhaps neglegible for any rotational weight there but I do see you trying to shave the weight down to its minimalist state though.

    Excellent built though as well as sticking to the clipless pedels and burly SCFork...nice. Play time.

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    RM?? Ride Monkey?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cesalec
    RM?? Ride Monkey?
    Yup

    No doubts about that, Sim except the beer :P
    Yes... rotors and pedals are some kind of experiment.
    Some people are using such rotors with good results and no complains (i.e. xy9ine)
    But, I haven't had a chance to try them in real terrain. If they appear to be shitty, I will switch to Avid G3 rotors.
    About pedals... theoretically, they are strong. The cage uses a material very similar to what's on Shimano DX - nylon-carbon composite. But, the construction is different. If they (Syncros) burst into pieces after first hit, I will move back to DX
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    I have been using those rotors for over a year, and I love the braking feel, really good modulation and control, plenty of stopping power for my needs, they weigh less than a 180mm avid rotor, and less than half the price of hope floating rotors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flystagg
    I have been using those rotors for over a year, and I love the braking feel, really good modulation and control, plenty of stopping power for my needs, they weigh less than a 180mm avid rotor, and less than half the price of hope floating rotors.
    I am happy to hear that
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    Hi guys I certainly love the looks of that frame, and i am a fan of the Maestro system, but after walking down the DH course over here in the weekend, it made me really wonder about the 2010 frame realiabilty and durability for such abuse. Im certain a Trek Session would have broken easily in the course..

    I would glady hear your experiences throught the year about such issues with this new beauty. ..

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    Frango - How tall are you, if you don't mind me asking? The ST isn't listed on Giant's chart, what is the actual measurement for the ST of the small frame? I'm torn between the XS and S frame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by herbn
    more travel i guess, some people just look at the numbers 8.0>7.0, the faith has a more progressive rate to the suspension. It's similar to the different glorys from a couple of years ago, when i got mine,that year the dh(race) glorys had 8.8 inches of travel and the zero had a single crown and "only" 8 inches of travel. Basicly if you're going down a trail of boulders the longer travel ,less progressive, suspension will let the wheel move more without disturbing the stability of the rider. The progressive travel won't be as plush or fast through that type of trail,but on bigger hits that may slam bottom on the 8.0 the 7.0 won't. IF done properly it may be hard to tell visually ,if you looked at pics of both bikes landing off a fairly big jump they might both be in the last inch of travel but the less progressive longer travel may be slamming metal to metal, but the last inch of travel on the freeride is tough ,it's hard to bottom.If you know this about the different suspensions and you ride more like a race and don't really jump or do big drops ,the glory may be a good choice for free ride. When i look at the pricing i'm surprized anybody builds bikes part by part. If i were updating a bike with a new frame only,maybe, but if i need a frame and fork,i'd buy the complete in a minute the rest of the parts are very cheap at that point.
    Metal to metal...http://www.pinkbike.com/photo/4833764/, I get what you're saying, this shot was taken from 3 feet drop.
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    darkzeon, I am 170cm and Glory S fits me perfectly. It has ca. 2cm lower standover than 2008 Glory S (FR).
    I've also had 2006 Glory DH XS and it was too short and had higher standover.

    I've spent Easter riding my bike in real mountains
    I am very happy with the way it works Both front and rear end are plush and sensitive.
    Totem works properly, now. RC4 is not as slow as it was at the beginning.
    Alligator Windcutter rotors provide enough stopping power
    I've got first ding in BB area... but the frame is still in one piece
    I can't wait to ride it more
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    Quote Originally Posted by frango
    darkzeon, I am 170cm and Glory S fits me perfectly. It has ca. 2cm lower standover than 2008 Glory S (FR).
    I've also had 2006 Glory DH XS and it was too short and had higher standover
    I'm looking forward owning a Glory, but availability here is still non existent. I'll be following the progress of your thread. My plan is also put on my current 66 180mm fork when the Glory's do arrive. BTW, did your Totem come with two different springs?
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    So Frango...a year on down the trail (pun intended), how does it feel and what are your impressions of the rotors/ set up. Any changes made since then...?

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    Sim and BOR, rotors are perfecly fine. I've just replaced front Elixir with Code 2011 (not R), but let's get to the beginning.

    I installed rotors in the beginning of 2010. I've been several times in Polish and Slovakian mountains, since then. Not hardcore DH, but descent riding with a lot of braking
    Then, I've been 2 weeks in French Alps - Alpes d'Huez and Les Deux Alps. A looooooot of braking coz you can i.e. ride down from top of Pic Blanc (3200m) to the village or even further, to the level of 750m. Or you can merge 3 trails, which make 20min pretty steep, non-stop ride
    Brakes never boiled. I haven't felt any excessive fading. Rotors are still strait, so no overheating problems.
    I am using Unex Termo Dissipators Sintered pads. I chose them, coz I heard this kind of rotors eat organic pads for breakfast Sintered pads last pretty long. But, I usually don't ride in deep mud.
    Setup was pretty tricky. Due to huge venting holes in rotors, I felt wobbling on the brake lever and saw fork moving back and forth. What I had to do, was to trim down tri-align washers under caliper, which lowered caliper about 2mm, so the pad didn't interfere with rotor holes. It was a problem on 203mm rotor on the front. No need for such hassle with the rear brake.
    Upgrade - front Code 2011 with original organic parts. Installation was very easy. I just had to change 1 washer.
    First impression from the point of view of new caliper/rotor is good. Slight wobbling disappeared. I suspect, it's due the longer/bigger pad on Code. I am going to try Avid's sintered pads since Unex doesn't have Termo Dissipator pads for Code 2011, yet.
    However, the brake itself needs rebleeding, coz I am on the end of pad contact adjustment.
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    Ahhh...I've heard similar probs as you've had with those specific rotors. Myself, I almost, 'almost' bought them from a weight perspective but went the Hope floating rotor as there is no going back after that.

    Yeah the sintered pads are a no brainer in that regard but the organics wear down REAL fast on some seriously hard on/ off braking over the course of a few weeks or more of intensive riding, but I find the sintered also have better modulation and control for those constant braking moments.

    What are your thoughts in the bike as a whole now that you've ha a while...great yeah! I LOVE the Faith although the cable routing, like yours on the Glory as stock, is idiotic! Have you played around with that aspect? BTW, go for the titanium rotor bolts as well as for other other associated hardware, saves a few grams here and there.

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    Larger, Code's, pads seem to solve wobbling problem. I will check it on some descents next week.
    I chose these rotors, coz they were cheap and light And if they were crappy, I would just throw them to garbage.
    They didn't let me down, so far. And I am not going to ride in such steep terrain as AdH or L2A this year, so I am not worry about performance.
    Well, I am a bit biased, coz I've been on Giant bikes since nearly 10 years. I had original Faith, and three Glories. I've watched Giant's big bikes evolution and I know they follow right path. Current Glory is one of the best DH bikes you can get. And the money I pay for it beats everything else on the market ;>
    As you know, I built mine quite light. Surprisingly, none of components failed. Yes, you can ruin these rims on one rocky trail, but as I don't plow, they hold pretty well.
    The bike is poppy, agile and nimble.
    I've rerouted cables on me first Glory 2010 frame. I've also rerouted cables using 2 Jag Wire aluminum cables stoppers, recently. It works perfectly, so far.
    I've got Ti rotor bolts, Ti bolts on calipers.
    Latest updates are:
    Shimano XTR Trail pedals, Code 2011 front brake.
    Future updates are:
    2x Minions DHF 2,5" EXO 3C, which, if proves in normal terrain, gonna shave 500g and 2012 Fox 36 180 Kashima Float, which will shave another 300g
    Which will lower the weight to the level of ca. 14,7kg
    Far future update: Vivid Air maybe.
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    Yeah I'm definitely with you on the new Fox-180 band wagon and will put that on the Faith. My spec mentality is very much like yourself I'm trying to lighten it up somewhat. I mean I live to go big but I never plough or rough ride'n'wreck but, on a few dodgy landings I've Pretzled a few wheels. Although I would think that would happen on any naffed landing, so it's all good.

    I recently ordered the Nukeproof 2.5 x 2:75" titanium spring for the stock shock on the Faith but wanted to get the titanium bolt hardware for that, yet couldn't find it yet. The replacement shock I'll get later will also be able to use the titanium spring so long term thinking on that aspect is all good.

    What were the bits of hardware you used to anchor the cables around the shock rockers mate?

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    I am not going big so often, anymore, so these light parts will most probably last pretty long.
    Rims which I've got a re so cheap, that I could replace them twice a year, but they survived 1,5 season. I will replace rear before summer trip to France, just in case.
    First thing I did with suspension, was to precisely check which spring I need. I went down from stock 450 to 300! :O and then I ordered titanium spring at DSP. It could be 275lbs, but I am not a racer, so that's not a problem for me. Since I managed to bottom out few times on hard landings, it's acceptable. Possible switching to air shock will solve this issue
    You mean Jag Wire thingies? http://www.jagwireusa.com/img/products/lg/DCA053.jpg
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    Ah...ok now I get you on the clips. I always find that when using those, it's best to pre-wash the area with alcohol (no...! Not the beer) to take away any gunk as they ten to stick longer.

    Yeah the spring I ordered was a 400lb spring, which should be more then enough but obviously not too strong as I need it to be more plush with more feedback so that it is more subtle creating less spike in the repound also allowing the shocks stock (lack of) settings to react more to the trail. The previous stock spring was a 450lb spring, which wa just too much and very harsh, this complicated the balance between the front and rear shock too, was not fun.

    In terms of wheels, yeah...that's a tricky subject and quite paradoxical in that I've already got a semi-decent set but require a more robust wheelset that ha a better hub with alot of engagement over the current yet at the same time, like yourself I too would like to get a fairly strong cheaper set that I can worry less about and just use for those more leary situations or just for bombing around.

    The jury is still out as to what to get...or, get both.

    BTW, what was the brand of titanium spring that you settled on?

    France...might be going there next year, so prey tell mate, what I the best season you think and the best place for FR@DH? I have a few places in mind, but you seem to frequent that zone more then myself. So I'll take advice where I can and them break-out on the web to search further. Cheers.

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    This I what I did, but i used chemical thinner. All strong alcohol already drunk

    I am ca. 140lbs un-geared, so 300lbs is max what I need.

    About wheels, I really can't complain about Hope hubs or DT Comp spokes. As for rims, I'd love to try some carbon rims or at least ZTR Flows, but it's too expensive for me, at the moment. Moreover, I am not 100% convinced FOR switching for Stan's with regular tires, yet.

    I am going to try Minions 2,5 EXO 3C in late summer. Will see if they work with thin innertubes for me.

    If I get super low price... maybe

    I've for good offer from Fadi from DSP

    Oh, I love PdS Tons of different trails. Ben is doing great job on the Swiss side of the region. We are going to focus more on Morgins and Champery this time

    And next year I still hope to manage to go to Whistler
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    I tell you what, post thread view from the iphone is painful with so many minor typos that when I get back to the computer, I look like a moronic ***** whose just recently undergone a frontal lobotomy...argh!

    Oh sweet...now I am envious!!!!

    Bugger, have to sleep...will catch back in the morning with a comment!

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    I don't know if any1 is interested, but I've been told by Cane Creek employee that they are working on DBair with 15mm (instead of 16mm) eyelets to allow Glory and some older Spesh bike owners use latest CC product.
    If you'd like to ride DBair on your Glory, as I do, write CC
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    So, I've just finished rebuilding new bike
    There was slight problem with headset, one part was missing, but it's done

    Surprisingly, even though, the frame is rad heavier, the bike is still 14,82kg Or maybe my scale broke down and doesn't show anything else!?





    Some numbers:
    wheel base: ca. 1170mm
    BB height: 345mm
    TT horizontal: ~555-560mm
    pozdro
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    Interested to hear how you like the change. I'm still thinking I'll keep the older frame for my use as I like the steeper HA for using the bike as a trail bike in places like Moab. I've been rocking a Monarch+ with 2.6" stroke for about a year now and it is very well balanced with the Totem.

    I've actually been thinking of going XX1 to eliminate the Hammerschmidt, but it will be a while till I can easily adapt the 150mm King hub and of course I couldn't run a XX1 crank cause of the 83mm width. I really think they are missing a market option with the 1x11. For me, it could turn every DH bike into an AM bike without hurting DH performance at all. I've even thought of switching to a Canfield One, just so I could fit XX1.

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    Well, as for geometry, I have had FSA Option on 2010 frame. Even though, I had little opportunity to ride, this season, I really liked it. So, replacing the frame is not a huge change for me. Rather getting things working w/o issues, like headset clicking.
    As for drivetrain, I've been thinking about switching do 10sp Zee rear mech, but it involves replacing few other components and spending quite a lot of money. I will stick to 9sp Sram for another season.
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    Good job!

    Very nice bike.
    I see that the passion is still there. Good
    Pozdro

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