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    Cool-blue Rhythm Giant trance 29er tweaks

    Been riding my Trance 29er 2 since for the last couple of months now and have discovered a few tweaks to the buike that have help me out massively in the way the bike responds and handles on the trail.

    First thing I did was ditch the saddle and replaced it with a charge spoon, for me this offers a lot more comfort. I'm 6'4"and about 240lbs and have always run my saddles as far back on the rails as possible. On the trance 29er for me this didn't work out so well because of the rear weight bias in balance. So saddle moved to a more neutral position worked better. Ditched the stock grips as well for something thicker and softer as my hands are hulk like.

    I changed my bars and stem also to a 60mm 8 degree rise stem and 780mm low rise bar. What I found whilst riding with this set up was that for my height and riding style the front was still going light on fast, loose wide corners or going up steep steep hills. To solve this I have flipped my stem so its running negative which pushed my weight ever so slightly onto my hands a little more which has made a huge difference to the way the bike handles going up hill and also at speed round fast loose corners.

    Also the recon setup needed looking at as the guidelines are well off when it come to pressures I ran 150 in front but have since lowered it right down to 130 and then 110 where it seems to be much improved in feel as I I feel more connected with the trail. The other little thing I have done which has made my bike almost silent is add a bionicon chain guide which decreases chain slap and noise greatly.

    My Trance 29er x2 rides and handles great for me with this set up, I have found the stock brakes excellent even with my heft. I used to run Hayes stroker trails (2010) with 203mm rotors front and 180mm these work just as well if not better.

    With a few tweaks this bike has become awesome.

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    Got a picture of it you can throw on here?

    Also, which grips did you put on it?

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    I went for superstar exel/xl grips in brown. Will post a few snaps in the Trance 29er pics thread when I get chance to take some out in the wild where it belongs.

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    I'm 2 weeks on my x1. Been fooling with mine too to get the right feel and get a little weight on the front. Thinking of going longer on the stem to stretch a bit more. Dropped fork pressure to 100 from 110 and slowed the rebound a bit. It was a little loose in the front on turns . Moved the seat forward a bit. This took care of the light front end. The seat is a piece of junk. That would be a nice upgrade with the brakes.

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    I'm about 5 weeks in on my Trance 29 X2. I am 6ft and 165ish riding a size Large frame. I swapped the seat first (as everyone agrees, stock one has been uncomfortable across the board) to a WTB Speed V. Also running a 70mm stem, and the seat slid just slightly forward. With sag in the rear shock set at 25% I'm very satisfied with suspension in the back-just set and forget, and it has been awesome! Still messing with pressures on the fork every 2-3 rides, trying to find my happy place. Not unhappy with the Recon fork, just not quite as good it could be for me yet. I also swapped out the grips for locking Oury's and love them!

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    Forgot to mention I'm on an XL frame, rear sag is about 30%. 30 psi tubed upfront and 40 psi rear also tubed nobby nics that came with the bike.

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    Are you guys finding the chain flys off on big drops / tables? The missus wont let me ride it anymore cause she says im too hard on it, I love it more than my 2013 reign 1, if I can get it to hold up to abuse a bit better I think im sold on one

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    no big drops here but lots of choppy terrain, no issues with chain for me, although i had one pop off when i rode a demo bike. i read somewhere the clutched derailleur was supposed to help with that. its working for me so far.
    my only gripes are the noisy avid brakes and the seat. the rest is just minor adjustments. its otherwise been great. I looked at the rotor yesterday and it said 170 up front? not 180? maybe i can swap over my avid 203/185 rotors from my camber and use XT brakes with those. good reports from the brake forum using shimano brake upgrade with the avid rotors.

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    Bobmouse - I agree with your setup. I have recently changed to some Renthal Fatbars 780 with 30mm rise. The better bend and sweep of the Renthals suit me to a tee. Im 128kgs and just on 6'. Grips Im running are some cheapy lockons until my ESI chunkys arrived from the States. I have since day one run with a flipped stem (70mm on a L frame). Although mine is TX29 0, the same can be said with the FOX fork/shock pressure adjustments too. Ive finally got it set with about 95psi in the forks and 240psi in the shock and this works nice for most of my local stuff here in OZ.
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    I've had a couple ride on a TX29 0 so far. I think the fork is operating so poor it is detracting from the whole experience. Everything else about the bike has been good.

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    i think i'm going to flip that factory stem too on my (L). i'm up way too high in the front. its making turns at speed difficult. i'm accustomed to laying over a bit anyway.

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    Giant trance 29er tweaks

    Quote Originally Posted by Hophead1 View Post
    i think i'm going to flip that factory stem too on my (L). i'm up way too high in the front. its making turns at speed difficult. i'm accustomed to laying over a bit anyway.
    Definitely flip the stem. Flipped mine about a month ago and like it better.

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    So....wasn't a good idea to put the bike on the stand for that. Now that its back together it feels pretty good.
    ....edit: found another spacer in the garage.lol. I still think this thing should be longer. I think its a 90. I like the 105 on my camber.
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    getting those bars lower and more weight over the front tire was a big help in handling and i'm even more comfortable. leaning into turns was much better. still threatening to swap the stem for the 100mm. maybe i just have long arms.lol. also just ordered slx ice tech brakes as they went on sale somewhere. debated on rotors for awhile. ended up going to a 180 ice tech for the front instead of a 203. i'll either reuse the the avid 160 or 170 for the rear. still not sure about the rotors. eh, it should still be a lot better.

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    Hophead, how do you like the brake change?

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    My bike is sitting at the shop because the brake line with the rear brake is way too short. Apparently nobody around here has anything that will work. Seems ridiculous. They had a jagwire hyflow but said it wouldn't work. I seem to be the only one having any issues with the brake swap.

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    Giant trance 29er tweaks

    When I swapped brakes on my TX29-1 I had to get a longer rear hose. My LBS was able to order one with no problems. I think it was 1700mm, and I ended up not trimming very much off after installing it (I have a M frame) - needed most of that length.

    Have your shop run it through the downtube and chainstay while you're at it. It's worth the effort, and if your already changing hoses you might as well go all the way.

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    is that a shimano hose or something else? yeah, its got to be a 1700. i measured the one i have, its about 4.5 feet. the avid I took off is 5.5 feet or about 1700mm.

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    Giant trance 29er tweaks

    Yep, it was a Shimano hose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobmouse View Post
    Forgot to mention I'm on an XL frame, rear sag is about 30%. 30 psi tubed upfront and 40 psi rear also tubed nobby nics that came with the bike.
    I'm over 6'4", and weigh 30lbs more than you and the most I have needed in any rear 29er tire is 32psi, and run most at 28 to 30psi. If I am using the same tires front and rear, I usually run 2psi less in front than in back.

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    2 recent changes, just cause I got deals on the parts...
    I am now running 2013 Shimano XT brakes (still on stock rotors) and a 750mm Truvativ Boobar handlebar. I ended up flipping the stem with my new handlebars to offset the slightly higher rise, and definitely like the extra width. I'd even consider going wider! As far as the brakes go, they are everything you have heard. Great modulation. Great stopping power.Also finally settled on running about 90-95 psi in the Recon fork--seems the most comfortable for me overall.

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    Just today switched out the x5 10 speed shifter for an x9 shifter just because I got a great deal and couldn't resist. Much more responsive/quicker shifting. Saving for a lighter fork now, either a reba or rev.

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    Slx brakes were nice and smooth from the start. After a couple of miles on the trail they were awesome. Instant stop. Love em. Hit some areas a little more aggressive knowing I could stop quick. tapping the brakes to get through the really tight stuff was also fun. Even though it was a hassle I'm glad I did it. I was going to change seats but stripped the crap bolt for the seat post. I also want to swap grips to something more comfortable.

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    Bobmouse- did you keep the derailleurs and just swap the shifters? Significant improvement?

    Hophead- glad to hear you like the Shimanos, I feel the same way!

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    I noticed some of you are running shorter stems on the large While I have the 90 flipped and thinking of going longer. As I've gotten lower and more stretched out, leaning the bike on fast turns has become easier. I've also read that handling improves the closer your hands are to being plumb with the front axle. Is that shorter position just where you are comfortable or does it have more to do with the trails you ride?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hophead1 View Post
    I noticed some of you are running shorter stems on the large While I have the 90 flipped and thinking of going longer. As I've gotten lower and more stretched out, leaning the bike on fast turns has become easier. I've also read that handling improves the closer your hands are to being plumb with the front axle. Is that shorter position just where you are comfortable or does it have more to do with the trails you ride?
    The longer, lower stem and hunched over riding style are more associated with racing XC style on a mountain bike. A more upright position utilizing shorter stem and wider bars is more optimal for downhill style riding, where the style of controls is better for steeper descending and things like that. With our bike being designed as essentially a middle-ground between those worlds, it takes some aspects of both. Depending on how you ride and the trails you are on, you can certainly adapt it more to one style than the other!

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    good to know. i'm sort of going for a plush trance with some anthem xc handling. i'm pretty close. when i get this stripped seat bolt out i'm going to put on a sdg bel-air seat. I know zero about seats but though i'd give it a try. need some direction on grips. since i've moved more of my weight over the bars, the thin rubber grips have bothered my hands/wrists. i'd like to find something with more comfort/dampening.

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    Hophead-- Try the Odi Ruffian grips. It's a tighter grain grip, I think you'll dig them. Not too thick/bulky, but better wearing and vibration damping than the stock ones. I like a thicker handle like Oury's or the Odi Rogue, but I have a feeling the Ruffian will complement your "plush, XC" style very well!

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    Does anyone know the stock wheel weight on the 2?, seems like a tough wheelset but I wouldn't mind a wider rim.

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    Nobody has anything on that wheel?

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    For those of you between sizes, what tweaks have you made to get the bike to fit you? Did you size up or down?

    I'm 5'8, 30" inseam, seems like I could ride either a Medium or Small. Got to demo a medium, which felt pretty good but I had to work a bit more than normal to get over the front wheel on steeper climbs. Parking lot ride on a small not set up right at all made me think it might be an alternative, a little easier to get over the front, maybe a better technical climber.

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    Quote Originally Posted by panchosdad View Post
    For those of you between sizes, what tweaks have you made to get the bike to fit you? Did you size up or down?

    I'm 5'8, 30" inseam, seems like I could ride either a Medium or Small. Got to demo a medium, which felt pretty good but I had to work a bit more than normal to get over the front wheel on steeper climbs. Parking lot ride on a small not set up right at all made me think it might be an alternative, a little easier to get over the front, maybe a better technical climber.

    Thanks
    Pretty personal decision, if you ask me But if it were me I would go with the smaller size. I am 5'6 and usually demo Mediums and Smalls and while both would usually work, I tend to go with the small. Slightly (Very) less weight (not really the decision maker, but a nice added bonus), easier for me to maneuver, and I do most of my riding out of the saddle, so I appreciate the extra clearance.

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    any riders, particularly over 180# had the ctd shock re-valved or re-tuned. it does seem to blow through the travel pretty easy. i'm 216 with gear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by panchosdad View Post
    For those of you between sizes, what tweaks have you made to get the bike to fit you? Did you size up or down?

    I'm 5'8, 30" inseam, seems like I could ride either a Medium or Small. Got to demo a medium, which felt pretty good but I had to work a bit more than normal to get over the front wheel on steeper climbs. Parking lot ride on a small not set up right at all made me think it might be an alternative, a little easier to get over the front, maybe a better technical climber.

    Thanks

    I'm 5'7" and got the Small. Fits well. I felt pretty good on the Medium also, but figured I could adjust either one to where I wanted it. Like Dennis said, the Small is a pinch lighter also. I don't have enough saddle time to decide what changes I want, other than raising the seat, and hopefully changing the seat. It sux. Even the stock seat on my Hardrock feels better....although it's probably because I've been riding that one for a while now.
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    Just added seat and 203/180 ice tec rotors. Hopefully that's it for a while.cant seem to get photos on here from iPhone.

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    I guess you can't drag and drop on iphone. computer worked.

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    Wheel info including weights in thus thread The Giant P-XC/S-XC Wheelset Thread

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    Anyone having to tweak the dropper due to problems on the x1 29er?
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    Just upgraded the wheelset ever so slightly to the p-xc 2, found a great deal on ebay for a brand new unused set off a x1 that they were swapping out from new. S-xc 2 are in the shop being trued and I also have some lighter floating rotors on the way.

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    Giant trance 29er tweaks

    Alright, so my TX29-1 has been FABULOUS, and I've been riding it in Dr Jeckyl or Mr Hyde modes.

    For my local MI trails I have it set up in a lighter more XC type mode. Suspension tends to stay in T or C. Upgrades include tubeless front & rear tires, a Racing Ralph in the rear, Zee brakes (both routed internally), Icetech rotors, X9 shifters, Problem Solvers Mismatch adapters, Thomson setback seat post, helicopter tape on the downtube and chain stay, rubber cable bumpers at the headtube, Ergon grips, Planet Bike wireless computer, SPD 540 pedals, and probably a few other things I'm forgetting.
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    For techy downhills stuff I run the dropper and keep the NN on the rear. Here she is last week ready to descend Greenslick trail at Bent Creek in NC where I got plenty of use out of the D mode of the suspension:
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    Only other thing I might do is a new saddle since the stock one is starting to show some wear, but that will take some fiddling and the stock saddle is ok for now. And I've been trying to find a reason to upgrade to Stans wheels, but the stock set has been flawless so far and leaves me no reason to change.

    I LOVE this bike!
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    To everyone who has switched to the X9 shifters:
    Worth the price?

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    Quote Originally Posted by XyesterdayX View Post
    To everyone who has switched to the X9 shifters:
    Worth the price?
    I would say deffo yes, I have replaced the right hand 10sp from x5 to x9 and its made a good change so well worth it.. Still yet to swap out the left 2sp shifter.

    On a side note, I should hopefully be fitting some x9 cranks this week. Lowered my shock and fork pressure even more as I have lost a few lbs myself and it running so sweet at the moment.

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    Giant trance 29er tweaks

    I got tired of the noisy Avid Elixir 3 brakes and just upgraded to Shimano XT. They are quiet and so much more powerful. Giant trance 29er tweaks-imageuploadedbytapatalk-21373977053.110608.jpgGiant trance 29er tweaks-imageuploadedbytapatalk-21373977068.985417.jpgGiant trance 29er tweaks-imageuploadedbytapatalk-21373977086.218381.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wfomoto View Post
    I got tired of the noisy Avid Elixir 3 brakes and just upgraded to Shimano XT. They are quiet and so much more powerful. Click image for larger version. 

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    Did you replace the rotors or keep the stock ones? Did you need to buy the xt brake adapters to make them fit?

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    Ok its been a while and I have made a few changes with bar/stem lengths and settled with the stock stem at 100mm and a 720 riser bar with the stem inverted. Going from 780mm bars and a 60mm stem then a 75mm stem then to 100mm stem and 710 bars to finally settle and be happy with 720mm bars (780 cut down). Ihave long arms and a long body so the shorter stem was a real pain for me also I like my elbows out a little with a narrow ish bar I can do this and still get off the back of the bike when needed.

    Also experimented with 1x10 going 32t upfront and hated it, lovely and quiet but my legs got destroyed on the techy up hill climbs and I stalled and pushed up. Switched back to 2 x 10 and I'm happy. Nano thru pedals from superstar fitted, rear end is going tubeless when my kit arrives in the post. New fork is next on the list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XyesterdayX View Post
    I'm about 5 weeks in on my Trance 29 X2. I am 6ft and 165ish riding a size Large frame. I swapped the seat first (as everyone agrees, stock one has been uncomfortable across the board) to a WTB Speed V. Also running a 70mm stem, and the seat slid just slightly forward. With sag in the rear shock set at 25% I'm very satisfied with suspension in the back-just set and forget, and it has been awesome! Still messing with pressures on the fork every 2-3 rides, trying to find my happy place. Not unhappy with the Recon fork, just not quite as good it could be for me yet. I also swapped out the grips for locking Oury's and love them!
    what stem did you get? I have only found syntace and ritchey stems that are compatible with overdrive 2.

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    I purchased a Giant Trance x29er 2 this August and have logged probably about 150 miles on it now. I also found the seat to be horrible and switched it out with a WTB Speed, which has been a great improvement. Next I changed the grips for something with ergonomic padding for the wrist, I went with Specialized BG Contour. They have worked out well also.
    The ergonomics of this bike have been a challenge to figure out. I am 6'1'' and about 2 hundo, hopefully that figure will decline as I bike more :-). Firstly the seat tube angle and seat post. I find that the seat tube angle puts the weight far back on the bike. I have the seat as far forward as I can and still feel like I want to shift my position a little further. Additionally, the stock seat post is not long enough for my longer legs. To remedy the short seat post, and rearward positioning of the seat tube angle I am thinking of getting a 400mm inline seat post, possibly the truvativ AKA.
    Secondly, I would like to make the handling a little more responsive and I find that my elbows are locked out too often. So I am thinking of switching from a 90mm to a 80mm stem, and trying to retain the same 6-8 degree angle. I may end up switching handlebars as well after the stem if I feel that I need something wider after shortening my stem.
    I have been LOVING this bike! I just feel like the ergonomics need some tweaks. Let me know what you think of these upgrades. If my logic for upgrading is correct, or if you have made similar adjustments and can share your experiences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Egbert View Post
    what stem did you get? I have only found syntace and ritchey stems that are compatible with overdrive 2.

    TX29 2 was only ever supplied with Overdrive, NOT OD2 like the x1 and x0 versions. All standard 1&1/8" stems fit on the TX29 x2 fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pharcyde View Post
    TX29 2 was only ever supplied with Overdrive, NOT OD2 like the x1 and x0 versions. All standard 1&1/8" stems fit on the TX29 x2 fine.
    Are you sure about that? I am getting mixed information, a brochure I have says overdrive 2 and than this link says overdrive Trance X 29er 2 (2013) - Bikes | Giant Bicycles | United States

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    100% sure

    Overdrive is a standard tapered head tube

    Overdrive 2 is tapered but top is 1.25" making it GOD AWFUL HARD (thanks GIANT) to ghet new stems.

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