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    Giant Reign Modifications (Not Reign X)

    Hello,
    The purpose of this thread is to hear of modifications people have made to their giant reign to find out what works and what doesn't.

    I am very interested to know about switching the rear shock for something other than the DHX air. I have also heard of guys changing the stroke legnth on the rear shock to gain more travel ie...from 2" stroke and 6" travel to 2.35" stroke 6.75" travel. Anyone tried this?

    Here's my mods;
    2009 Giant Reign 0
    -36 Fox Talas , brings my head tube angle to 66.5 and the BB just over 14". I really like this setup, makes the reign much more capable on gnarly descents but just as versatile for climbs, XC type stuff. It comes with a 1lb weight penalty.
    -KS i950r adjustable seat post with 5" travel. For me this was necessary because as you know the interrupted seat tube on a reign did not allow for maximum extension for climbing AND total drop down for downhill. this post is awesome, adjust on the fly and have the seat right where you want it depending on what your riding. it comes with a 1/2lb weight penalty.
    -RaceFace Bashgaurd
    -Chromag 50mm Ranger Stem for better control downhill and less of a felling like i'm going over the bars
    -Chromag Fubars OS 730mm for extra stability, less twitchyness

    Post your Mods!!!!!!!!
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    I just installed a RP23 7/785X2.25 on my older 05 frameset. It works so well, that I'm going to swap out the DHX4 on my 08 frame & give it a try.

    The seatstay bridge comes very close to the seatube under full compression with no air in the shock, so I installed a hard rubber bumper on the seatube, but I think the ramp up in the shock won't allow contact anyhow, & after a handful of rides, no problems.
    The RP doesn't seem to blow through midstroke like my DXH, & I'm getting 6" +, feels great.
    I can 35 lbs less air in the RP compared to the DHX, & get a much better feel overall.

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    Here is my bike, and all of its current mods.

    09 Reign 1
    -Hayes Stroker Ace brakes 203/180 (I like these much better than the stock elixirs)
    -Hope hubs with Spank Rims and DT spokes (heavier than stock WTB wheels, but also stiffer)
    -Maxxis Minion DHF 2.5 dual ply tires(similiar traction to the stock Nevegals, more durable sidewall)
    -Shimano SLX crankset (I like the gearing better(36/22), and have no need for a big ring)
    -Ethirteen DRS Bash/Chain Guide (works great to keep the chain on when going over rocky terrain)
    -Kona Wah Wah pedals (bike came with clipless, not my thing)
    -Crank Bros Joplin seatpost (a must have for any bike imho)
    -WTB Rocket V seat (much better on my ass than that horrible Fizik seat)
    -Thomson 70mm 0 rise stem (stock 90mm was too long, the 70 is much better for downhill riding, and only slightly worse for climbing)
    -RaceFace Atlas FR Bars(I cut them down to 710mm. The extra width, and lower rise fits me better than the stock mid rise RaceFace)

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    MODEL - Reign 2 (2009)
    SIZES - L (20")
    FRAME - AluxX SL aluminium, Fluid Formed, Maestro suspension system, 6.0''/152mm travel
    FORK - RS Revelation Race Dual Air 150mm Maxle Lite
    HEADSET - FSA
    SHOCK - Fox Float RP2
    HANDLEBAR - RaceFace Ride XC riser
    STEM - RaceFace Ride XC
    SEAT POST - Giant Alloy 30.9mm
    SEATPOST CLAMP - Giant
    SADDLE - WTB Devo SLT (215g)
    PEDALS - Shimano M520
    SHIFTERS - SRAM X.7 27 speed triggers
    FRONT MECH - Shimano SLX
    REAR MECH - SRAM X.7
    BRAKES - Shimano SLX
    ROTORS - Avid G2 185mm
    BRAKE LEVER - Shimano SLX
    CASSETTE - SRAM PG950 11-34
    CHAIN - Shimano HG53
    CRANKS - RaceFace Ride XC X-Type 44/32/22
    BOTTOM BRACKET - RaceFace X-Type
    RIMS - WTB Laser Disc Trail 26"
    HUBS - Atomlab 920F 20mm front / Novatech rear
    SPOKES - Stainless steel
    TYRES - Schwalbe Racing Ralph 26 x 2.25

    WEIGHT - 13.12kg without pedals and sigma/13.50kg with pedals and sigma


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    I need a bit of advice, I have a reign (2008 i think) and WAS running Suntour Rux 130mm forks, I just picked up a pair of RS RECON 351's off ebay, they were advertised as 140mm travel, I looked in to this and it seemed ok. They arrived today and they length of them is the same as my Suntour and the air/weight setup chart on the fork gived settings for 80-130mm travel. I did think maybe keeping them because they are a lot lighter but holding them next to the bike it looks like I would lose about an inch in height and therefore a tighter head angle too.

    any advice please?

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    I'm running a DHX5.0 7.875 X 2.25" stroke coil shock on my '08 Reign. Really happy with it. I weigh 150lbs and am running a 350lb Ti spring. '07 Marz Z1 RC2 (150mm) up front. I'm a fan of coily plushness!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ir803
    I need a bit of advice, I have a reign (2008 i think) and WAS running Suntour Rux 130mm forks, I just picked up a pair of RS RECON 351's off ebay, they were advertised as 140mm travel, I looked in to this and it seemed ok. They arrived today and they length of them is the same as my Suntour and the air/weight setup chart on the fork gived settings for 80-130mm travel. I did think maybe keeping them because they are a lot lighter but holding them next to the bike it looks like I would lose about an inch in height and therefore a tighter head angle too.

    any advice please?
    Since you asked.....
    Any bike with 6" of travel in the rear deserves at least the same in the front.
    Just my opinion

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    I hear ya,
    Getting a little frustrated now though. the Recon's are going back. and I'm looking on ebay and the net for 140mm + lightweight air forks but I have a low budget, so i'm struggling, in the meantime the suntour's I have seems to leak air if I hit anything hard so not really rideable.
    I'm looking at RS's Marzocchi's and Fox's,I really want to try to keep the weight under the 2000g mark it ain't looking to good at teh moment.

    I keep seeing the Marzocchi RLO forks pretty cheap brand new but I'm hesitant at comments on jamming and the fact that Marzocchi don't recoment you launch off anything larger than a fart with them.

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    I built up an 08 frame with an 08 Marzocchi 55 ATA which worked very well until it developed issues. Marzocchi just sent me a warranty replacement 2010 55 Micro- ti which after one ride also works very well. I think the best thing you can do for the Reign is run a 160 mm fork.
    "Pain Doesn't Hurt."

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    Thanks, I just won a Marzocchi all mountain 2 150mm on ebay for £101, so pleased with the price let's see how the fork holds up. it's a touch heavier than I hoped for BUT...you gotta face up to the fact that even used, if you want long travel but lightweight you've still gotta pay, all the 44's 55's and fox 32's i saw on ebay went for at least £260, which I know is cheap relative to their new price but I just can't justify spending that much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kneecap
    I just installed a RP23 7/785X2.25 on my older 05 frameset. It works so well, that I'm going to swap out the DHX4 on my 08 frame & give it a try.

    The seatstay bridge comes very close to the seatube under full compression with no air in the shock, so I installed a hard rubber bumper on the seatube, but I think the ramp up in the shock won't allow contact anyhow, & after a handful of rides, no problems.
    The RP doesn't seem to blow through midstroke like my DXH, & I'm getting 6" +, feels great.
    I can 35 lbs less air in the RP compared to the DHX, & get a much better feel overall.
    See this thread: 05 Giant Reign rear shock alternative?

    Same frameset?

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    I really love this Reign from the Internet, minus the big rotors



    Anyone here with a medium Reign runnin a 2010 Lyrik and a dhx 5 or 4? Would really love to see this set up...

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    Reign 0

    Hey.
    So I'm in the process of changing out the fork my XL Reign 0. Looking at either a Lyrik or a 180mm Totem. Anyone know of pros/cons to either of these forks? Both are 2010 2-step air models. Thanks

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    Hey.
    So I'm in the process of changing out the fork my XL Reign 0. Looking at either a Lyrik or a 180mm Totem. Anyone know of pros/cons to either of these forks? Both are 2010 2-step air models. Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by kneecap
    I just installed a RP23 7/785X2.25 on my older 05 frameset. It works so well, that I'm going to swap out the DHX4 on my 08 frame & give it a try.

    The seatstay bridge comes very close to the seatube under full compression with no air in the shock, so I installed a hard rubber bumper on the seatube, but I think the ramp up in the shock won't allow contact anyhow, & after a handful of rides, no problems.
    The RP doesn't seem to blow through midstroke like my DXH, & I'm getting 6" +, feels great.
    I can 35 lbs less air in the RP compared to the DHX, & get a much better feel overall.

    yo kneecap, have you tryed this procedure out on your 08 reign yet? the dhx air hasn't been all that kind to me lately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gorgechefzeke
    Hey.
    So I'm in the process of changing out the fork my XL Reign 0. Looking at either a Lyrik or a 180mm Totem. Anyone know of pros/cons to either of these forks? Both are 2010 2-step air models. Thanks

    i havent seen anyone put a 180mm fork on a reign yet, im curious to see how that'll turn out. i do know guys are loving the totems but those 40mm stanchions might be a bit much for the reign. how about a fox 36 talas or float 180?

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    Quote Originally Posted by murrdogg11
    yo kneecap, have you tryed this procedure out on your 08 reign yet? the dhx air hasn't been all that kind to me lately.
    Haven't tried the RP on my 08 reign yet, been meaning to. It's been kinda fun to ride the older bike again.
    Looks like there's even more clearance on the 08 at the seat stay/seat tube junction.
    I'll do it & repost....

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    Anyone try out the 170mm Lyrik on their Reign? I was thinking about getting that but them new 2011 Fox 180mm look sweet!

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    Here is mine. Nothing to crazy just swapped some parts around over the years. I'm about to put a old 55 on it to make it a little more aggressive. I have a few bikes but I must say that I love this rig!!
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    Anyone know the ideal size for a coil shock on the rear?

    What i2i etc am I looking for?
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    Quote Originally Posted by stefanb
    Anyone know the ideal size for a coil shock on the rear?

    What i2i etc am I looking for?
    Stock on the 08 and 09 Reign is 7.875x2.0. The Reign X is 7.875x2.25. I have read that you can use a 7.875x2.25 on the Reign as well without issues. That is the route I will go eventually when I switch to coil.

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    09 Reign 1

    Here is my set up.

    Stock 09 Reign 1 size L

    Mods so far:

    Thomson 70mm 0 rise stem
    Sunline V one 745mm (cut to 730mm) bars
    Atomlab Pimp Sealed pedals
    Chromag Trailmaster DT saddle
    Ergon GA-1 grips
    Recently dropped the big ring and running an E13 DRS Bash/chain guide
    Had to cut down stock seatpost 3" to get the seat to drop more
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    Only a few mods.

    2010 Reign 0 (s)
    - Ritchey Carbon WCS (from old bike)
    - Fizik Grips (Heavier but i like the feel)
    - KS i950R (great investment)
    - Fizik Gobi Seat (from old bike)
    - Mavic Cross Max ST Wheel set (traded in when i got the bike)
    - Schwalbe Rear 2.25 Racing Ralph (Rides better than the thicker original at the back)
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    09' Giant Reign 1

    I've made a few changes from stock setup.

    -Fox 36 Talas RC2 (2010') (this is the most important upgrade, which really widens the bike's potential)
    -Fox DHX AIR 4.0 (2.25 stroke, and a small volume air can)
    -Truvativ AKA stem 60mm (stock was too short)
    -Mavic Crossline wheelset (more of a AM wheelset, and I needed something with a 20mm thru-axle)
    -200mm rotors (f+r), which came with the wheelset, and I weigh nearly 95 kgs with gear, so the standard rotors weren't giving enough stopping power.
    -Maxxis ardent 2.4 f+r

    Benefits from upgrades:

    -Slacker head-angle/more travel makes the bike a lot more capable on the descents. The travel adjust is a necessity, however, as I use it all the time for climbing and general riding. If you're going to get 160mm forks, get a travel adjust one for sure. It also makes it more stable at speed, with the longer wheelbase. The stock forks are ok for general trail use, but if you want to hit downhill specific runs, you'll want a bigger fork

    -The new shock rarley bottoms (more progressive from the small air can), which was a real problem on the stock Rp2 XV shock. It seems to use the travel better, with more mid-stroke support, and feels significantly smoother. The new shock also gave the Reign 170 mm travel, which once again, gives a smoother ride on downhill specific runs (I do lifted runs with it as well as general AM riding).

    -Wheels are stronger/laterally stiff, but are about 300 grams heavier. The tyres are a lot heavier, but are good for the downs (bad for climbing though, but I mainly climb for fitness so it's OK, kind-of).

    This bike was pretty awesome to begin with, but, the upgrades I've made have really turned this bike into a real 'all-mountain' bike, which can still climb, but absolutely rips on the descents. It's not as smooth as a dedicated down-hill bike, but, it's about 80% there, compared to around 50%.
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    Jose, where did you get the new shock? Any reason why you bought a 4 instead of a 5 DHX?
    &, can I ask how much you paid for it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jose86
    I've made a few changes from stock setup.

    -Fox 36 Talas RC2 (2010') (this is the most important upgrade, which really widens the bike's potential)
    -Fox DHX AIR 4.0 (2.25 stroke, and a small volume air can)
    -Truvativ AKA stem 60mm (stock was too short)
    -Mavic Crossline wheelset (more of a AM wheelset, and I needed something with a 20mm thru-axle)
    -200mm rotors (f+r), which came with the wheelset, and I weigh nearly 95 kgs with gear, so the standard rotors weren't giving enough stopping power.
    -Maxxis ardent 2.4 f+r

    Benefits from upgrades:

    -Slacker head-angle/more travel makes the bike a lot more capable on the descents. The travel adjust is a necessity, however, as I use it all the time for climbing and general riding. If you're going to get 160mm forks, get a travel adjust one for sure. It also makes it more stable at speed, with the longer wheelbase. The stock forks are ok for general trail use, but if you want to hit downhill specific runs, you'll want a bigger fork

    -The new shock rarley bottoms (more progressive from the small air can), which was a real problem on the stock Rp2 XV shock. It seems to use the travel better, with more mid-stroke support, and feels significantly smoother. The new shock also gave the Reign 170 mm travel, which once again, gives a smoother ride on downhill specific runs (I do lifted runs with it as well as general AM riding).

    -Wheels are stronger/laterally stiff, but are about 300 grams heavier. The tyres are a lot heavier, but are good for the downs (bad for climbing though, but I mainly climb for fitness so it's OK, kind-of).

    This bike was pretty awesome to begin with, but, the upgrades I've made have really turned this bike into a real 'all-mountain' bike, which can still climb, but absolutely rips on the descents. It's not as smooth as a dedicated down-hill bike, but, it's about 80% there, compared to around 50%.

    so hey...you put a rear shock with a 2.25 stroke rather than a 2.00 stroke..
    can you please elaborate on what this does to the rear suspension....
    ie...less bottom out? less blowing through midstroke travel? more travel? any drawbacks?
    thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by murrdogg11
    so hey...you put a rear shock with a 2.25 stroke rather than a 2.00 stroke..
    can you please elaborate on what this does to the rear suspension....
    ie...less bottom out? less blowing through midstroke travel? more travel? any drawbacks?
    thanks
    Since the shock has .25 inch longer stroke and the reign has a 3:1 ratio you get an extra 3/4" travel. Not a huge difference but it's useful since the linkage doesn't provide much progression until the last bit of travel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kneecap
    Jose, where did you get the new shock? Any reason why you bought a 4 instead of a 5 DHX?
    &, can I ask how much you paid for it?
    I bought it from CRC. No reason in particular, I actually did buy a 5.0, but it the size was misquoted to me. In the end, I just went with the 4.0, because it was cheap and there wasn't anything else going. It's really good though. I find that with the progressive stroke, the bottom-out resist is somewhat redundant.

    I paid $260.00 AUD brand new.

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    2.25 Stroke

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    It's hard to say, really, since the shock is slightly different. The problem with the stock Rp2 (Aus stock) was that with the correct sag it always blew through the travel. It may be because I am a little on the heavy side, but it is a problem many people have encountered. I figured that the extra travel wouldn't hurt, and I heard of a few people doing it, so I did to experiment. The results are pretty good so far, it doesn't change the stroke at all, it just gives it a bit more of a bottomless feel (as opposed to the stock). As far as I can tell, there aren't any drawbacks, although I did have to shift the front derailleur up, as it would have made contact at full compression.
    As a side note, I would like to try a few other setups, maybe a coil shock (I've heard of pretty good results), and maybe a DHX 5.0 (large volume).

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    Have a question... really want to change out the rear hub to a hope pro II. But I am on a budget and will only be able to do the back for the moment, which I don't think is an issue (or is it?). Can I lace the pro II to the stock WTB laserdisc rim in the mean time or will I have to replace the rim as well? Keep in mind I eventually want to go hope pro II front and back with DT 5.1s and DT comps. BUT until then, is there an issue with just getting the new rear hub and lacing it up to the stock rim with some new spokes?
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    im no expert on lacing wheels, i think you can use the rims but may need new spokes...
    however, what i do know, the cheapest place for hope hubs or custom built wheelsets with hope hubs is chain reaction cycles...even after shipping/duty to north america.

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    I guess I can either experiment or just get the back wheel built up completely and wait to do the front. The latter of the two seems like the more intelligent thing to do anyway. Besides I am not too concerned about anyone asking why I rock two different wheels haha. Biking on a budget right. If it goes it goes.
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    Updated Reign1

    Here a some shots of my updated 09 Reign1.

    Stock except:

    2010 Fox Talas 36
    2011 Fox Van RC Coil (2.875x2.25)
    Azonic Outlaw wheelset (203 rotors f+r)
    Maxxis High Roller 2.35 UST tires
    Thomson 70mm 0 degree rise stem
    Sunline V-one bars - 745mm cut to 730mm
    Chromag Trailmaster DT saddle
    Atomlab pimpsealed pedals
    Dropped big ring - added e13 bashguard/blackspire 36t middle ring
    Ergon GA-1 grips

    Weighs in at 34 lbs even.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twistedshifter
    Here a some shots of my updated 09 Reign1.

    Stock except:

    2010 Fox Talas 36
    2011 Fox Van RC Coil (2.875x2.25)
    Azonic Outlaw wheelset (203 rotors f+r)
    Maxxis High Roller 2.35 UST tires
    Thomson 70mm 0 degree rise stem
    Sunline V-one bars - 745mm cut to 730mm
    Chromag Trailmaster DT saddle
    Atomlab pimpsealed pedals
    Dropped big ring - added e13 bashguard/blackspire 36t middle ring
    Ergon GA-1 grips

    Weighs in at 34 lbs even.



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    nice one..
    how do you like the high roller ust's?
    what about going to the coil shock with extra travel?

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    Thanks. Kinda mixed on the Highrollers. HR 2.35 are narrower than my Nevegal 2.35's. They are light, fast rolling tires, but I feel they are a bit narrow for the size. As for the coil, night and day difference coming from the DHX4.0, and at 2.25 travel you gain extra travel. Much better handling on jump landing/ drops and rough downhills. No bottom out issues at all (550lb. spring - 195 rider weight.) Climbing with the coil feels no different than with ProPedal on the DHX 4.0. I had to press out the bottom bushing on the VanRC to get the Giant 8mm shock mounting pin to fit (Van RC is spec'd 6mm.) Other than that.....would highly recommend switching to the coil.

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    I skimmed all the post...I want a 2.25 stroke dhx 5.0 on my reign. If you bottom it out will the air can slam into the downtube. I wanted the new reign x but with all the breakage it will be fine just uping the travel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twistedshifter
    Thanks. Kinda mixed on the Highrollers. HR 2.35 are narrower than my Nevegal 2.35's. They are light, fast rolling tires, but I feel they are a bit narrow for the size. As for the coil, night and day difference coming from the DHX4.0, and at 2.25 travel you gain extra travel. Much better handling on jump landing/ drops and rough downhills. No bottom out issues at all (550lb. spring - 195 rider weight.) Climbing with the coil feels no different than with ProPedal on the DHX 4.0. I had to press out the bottom bushing on the VanRC to get the Giant 8mm shock mounting pin to fit (Van RC is spec'd 6mm.) Other than that.....would highly recommend switching to the coil.

    ok thanks again for the info...im in need of some new tires for my reign on flow rims, if anyone have some recommendations please post em here!

    All Mountain Tire reccomendations for Flow Rims

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    Dont think there would be an issue with the canister hitting the downtube with the 5.0. When switching to 2.25 travel, I needed to raise the front derailleur maybe 1/8 inch to make sure the bottom swing arm does not come in contact when bottoming the shock out.

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    2008 Reign 01

    I've swapped out the stock brakes for the Avid Code 5 ( I love the stopping power)
    Deity Stem
    and most recently installed the Raceface Atlas AM cranks ( love it)

    my next move is toward the 2011 Fox 36 Float, seems the logical thing to do
    since there isn't much of a weight penalty and I'll be gaining so much more out of the bike.
    Although I have to admit the stock Fox 32 140mm Float has held up on everything I've thrown at it (Sun Peaks, Rossland, Beacon, 7-Summits) all those places its done really well.

    Anyway I just love this bike and the coloring, I'll probably add a Trance X to the lineup this year.
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    Are there any warranty issues with changing the stock 32 fork to a 36?

    I was considering it but I was thinking it might mess up the geometry and make the bike feel unbalanced...

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    it doesnt feel unbalanced, but it does slacken your head tube angle and seat tube angle which makes climbing less efficient. this can be overcome by having a travel adjust fork.
    the only complaint i have is that it added a half an inch or so the the wheelbase.

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    Here's another one - 2009 Reign 0.

    Upgrades:
    2010 Fox 36 Talas
    CrankBros 4in Adjustable seatpost (Can't live without this thing)
    Wider Bars
    Shorter Stem
    ODI Grips
    XT Pedals
    WTB Rocket V Seat
    Race Face Bash Guard
    Better Kenda's, i flatted the stock's more than any tire i've ever owned.

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    Nice one. Is that an XL frame? It looks huge for some reason. What wheelset is that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by M.A.X
    Are there any warranty issues with changing the stock 32 fork to a 36?

    I was considering it but I was thinking it might mess up the geometry and make the bike feel unbalanced...

    yes changing your fork to a 36 does void the warranty. i dont know how sticky they are on this i just always figured if i had a problem i'd take the fork off first or borrow a 32 from someone.

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    XL and it looks even bigger in person, if you don't have 9 3/4 of steer, you cant fit the fork. Biggest dang bike i've ever owned. The L was just a little too small for me.

    I've got a mismatched wheel set, the rear is the stock WTB, the front is from my buddies Trek Remedy. He won a new wheel set in a raffle and graciously sold me the 1 year old front. So its a Bontrager Rhythm, I'm thinking of making it tubeless.

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    Can anyone confirm fittment of a 2.4 maxxis advantage on the rear of a 2009 Giant reign?
    It currently has 2.35 Nevegals with some room to spare.
    I am having a hard time finding an appropriate tire to run on the rear of my reign tubeless on some flow rims. it seems you need the bigger sizes to get a strong sidewall and the advantage 2.4 single ply has a reinforced sidewall where as the 2.25 doesn't.
    other recommendations welcome;
    criteria;
    good climbing
    strong sidewall
    good rolling
    good grip mostly dry but good for wet days also.
    easy tubeless conversion on flow rims

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    Reign 0 2008, basically all stock except:

    - stem: now using a 60mm Raceface Atlas AM ; i have felt a big difference bombing down trails, but it definitely makes climbing difficult and the front nervous on the ups.

    - pedals: 50/50 Crankbros , reason, is easier to avoid big crashes with platforms than clips and they looked nice with my Reign´s color.

    - Grips: Ergon GA1 white, amazing grips, after this I might never go back.

    Next upgrades:
    - complete bike for a 2011 =))))

    or

    - Fork: Talas with 15QR axle
    - Hubs: Hope Pro II
    - Wheelset - but which?
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    Quote Originally Posted by murrdogg11
    Can anyone confirm fitment of a 2.4 maxxis advantage on the rear of a 2009 Giant reign?
    That should fit fine. I am running a 2.5 Maxxis Minion DHF on the rear right now, and had a 2.5 Nevegal on there before that.

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    ditch the Nevegals

    by the way, after 10 rides each time having pinch flats in bot tires at the end of the ride, I ditched the Nevegals, and started riding Schwalbes, on the dry , loosy stuff, or gravel roads, the FA Alberts 2.4" with Snake Skin are nothign but great, never flated or pinched.

    On the wet and off-camber though...they are scary and plainly gripless. Now Im wating for my Big bettey to arrive and see how they feel.

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    This is actually my 3rd Giant bike, VT, Faith and the Reign, and on all 3 I had to replace the stock Tires. Nevegals are really good tires and I've been using them for 6 years, just the ones they provided on the Reign (like all their other bikes) blow.

    I just wish they would put tires with thicker casing on the bikes, I'm not selecting the bike because its sub 30lbs without the pedals...

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    Quote Originally Posted by cesalec
    by the way, after 10 rides each time having pinch flats in bot tires at the end of the ride, I ditched the Nevegals, and started riding Schwalbes, on the dry , loosy stuff, or gravel roads, the FA Alberts 2.4" with Snake Skin are nothign but great, never flated or pinched.

    On the wet and off-camber though...they are scary and plainly gripless. Now Im wating for my Big bettey to arrive and see how they feel.

    yes i've heard about the alberts in that respect...its too bad because on paper they are exactly what im after. but here in BC i cant be taking chances like that over wet roots and rocks etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 24v
    That should fit fine. I am running a 2.5 Maxxis Minion DHF on the rear right now, and had a 2.5 Nevegal on there before that.
    thanks!
    how tight is the 2.5 DHF and how do you like it? single ply exo?

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    My '10 R2.
    All stock except for the 24-36 chainrings.
    Also added a chain guide and bash guard.




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    The 24-36 front + 11-34 rear is amazing!
    Shifts like a premium bike

    next project:

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    Hi,

    My '09 Reign 0 (M).

    Upgrades are :
    - Fork : 36 Float R (don't need the RC2, I'm not able to configure it...);
    - Chainguide : Truvativ
    - Bashguard : from a local retailer here in Switzerland;
    - Wheels : self mounted wheels, Hope Pro 2 - CN 424 - DT Swiss EX500;
    - Tires : Maxxis Ardent, 2.4'' in front and 2.25'' on the rear;
    - Brake disc on the rear : 185mm;
    - Pedals : flat ones, Wellgo.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Samos
    Hi,

    My '09 Reign 0 (M).

    Upgrades are :
    - Fork : 36 Float R (don't need the RC2, I'm not able to configure it...);
    - Chainguide : Truvativ
    - Bashguard : from a local retailer here in Switzerland;
    - Wheels : self mounted wheels, Hope Pro 2 - CN 424 - DT Swiss EX500;
    - Tires : Maxxis Ardent, 2.4'' in front and 2.25'' on the rear;
    - Brake disc on the rear : 185mm;
    - Pedals : flat ones, Wellgo.
    Nice ride!
    Do you think that 2.4 ardent would fit on the rear? how is the 2.25 for durability, ie; are the sidewalls thick enough to run tubeless?

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    Quote Originally Posted by murrdogg11
    yes i've heard about the alberts in that respect...its too bad because on paper they are exactly what im after. but here in BC i cant be taking chances like that over wet roots and rocks etc.
    My Big Bettys havent arrived so I cannot comment on grip over wet roots, and rocks. So far in those conditions I´ve tried: Racing Ralphs, Nobby Nics and the Fat alberts, - the Racing Ralphs (on my XC Hardtail) were the least slippery and they give you great traction, but still they are only an XC tire and wear fast, i cannot really comment about their durabilty as an AM.

    Maybe you could try the Big Betty and or Muddy Mary in the Snake Skin, gooey glue compound. never been in BC, but I rode for a while in the austrian alps, and I believe it feels quite similar, therefor if most of the time is wet and humid you dont need the TC versions (which grip nice, wear slower and roll faster). The GGC versions wear much faster because they are softer- Although we got out of topic in this thread , this is an entirely different discussion, and there are a couple ot threads on this subject in the tire sections

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    Quote Originally Posted by tma
    My '10 R2.
    All stock except for the 24-36 chainrings.
    Also added a chain guide and bash guard.
    If I keep mi actual 08 Reign, I would like to install also a chain tensioner and a bashguard instead of the big ring (i have never ever used it), do you think is necessary to change the casettes as you did??

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    Nothing is stock, 2006 Reign 2

    -Lyrik 2Step with Motion Control DH
    -Pushed Fox Float R with Big Hit Kit (huge upgrade!)
    -DT Swiss 5.1 rims with King hubs
    -Joplin 4R post (another huge upgrade)
    -Rubber Queen 2.2 tire up front, Minion F 2.35 in the back (possibly the perfect combination)
    -Elixir R brakes (do the job with great modulation)

    Other then that just an X.9 build with a Nisene saddle

    31.5lbs with pedals
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    Will get pics up shortly but here is the detail on my ride.

    2008 Reign 1 - Medium

    Picked up as frame, with RP2 shock. Changed out to a RP23 that I had from another bike, but was never happy as it felt quite harsh. Had the PP level dropped down a little and changed the air can to use a DHX-A. This change felt better still seemed to lack something.

    After some messing about I finally got a X-Fusion 02-PVA, did one ride, but changed it up a little, so the real first ride is tonight. What I did notice is the 02-PVA is more lively, allows you to get a little more pop yet be controlled in the travel. Time will tell how it works out.

    For wheels I run a set of Easton Havocs with smaller 2.2 Mountain King tires. Grip is okay on the dry, but not enough tread for the wet and scary on wet roots and things. On the front best to avoid loose or wet condtions. My other wheelset is Hope hubs on Syncros rims with 2.25 Advantage on the back and either 2.4 Ardent or 2.35 WTB on the front. Still looking for that tire this fairly light yet has a stronger sidewall, say something like a real 2.35 or 2.4 front will 1.5 ply.

    Recently changed the fork from a Manitou Nixon 160 IT, to a Fox Talas 160 and am liking the additional stiffness on the Fox. Bike is reasonably slack but would love to have an 09 or 10 frame an an extra degree slacker.

    Have been running a KS I-900 seatpost for a while and consider it a must have. My knees and back really notice when I don't have an adjustable seatpost.

    Shortened up the stem and am running an Easton Vice 60 or 65mm and run a wide riser bar with about 40-50 rise.

    Haven't bothered to switch back to my clipless pedals for quite sometime, so I pretty much run the flats with my 5-10.

    The most recent change was to move from a 22-32-44 to a 22-34 w/bashguard. The 32 didn't provide enough range without the big ring, so I moved up to 34. Not to certain if I could have run a 36 front even with the 11-34 cassette might prove too much.

    Enough blabbering. Will get pics up in the next couple of days.

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    Nice ride!
    Thanks !!!


    Quote Originally Posted by murrdogg11
    Do you think that 2.4 ardent would fit on the rear? how is the 2.25 for durability, ie; are the sidewalls thick enough to run tubeless?
    Well, I tried the 2.4'' on the rear (I bought two of them) for about 50 to 60 km. It was enough for me. I don't know, but the weight, the profile, maybe to much grip on the rear, in the end I wasn't convinced and buy the 2.25'' version. I ride sometimes rough terrain, maybe have a look on my website, it's in french but the videos.... http://www.kuffi.ch/page1/files/2ac3...c542371-3.html

    I don't know if it's possible to ride it tubeless. Indeed, which system are you using to run tubeless ? I'm interested in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cesalec
    My Big Bettys havent arrived so I cannot comment on grip over wet roots, and rocks. So far in those conditions I´ve tried: Racing Ralphs, Nobby Nics and the Fat alberts, - the Racing Ralphs (on my XC Hardtail) were the least slippery and they give you great traction, but still they are only an XC tire and wear fast, i cannot really comment about their durabilty as an AM.

    Maybe you could try the Big Betty and or Muddy Mary in the Snake Skin, gooey glue compound. never been in BC, but I rode for a while in the austrian alps, and I believe it feels quite similar, therefor if most of the time is wet and humid you dont need the TC versions (which grip nice, wear slower and roll faster). The GGC versions wear much faster because they are softer- Although we got out of topic in this thread , this is an entirely different discussion, and there are a couple ot threads on this subject in the tire sections
    Thanks for the input and point taken about the thread jacking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Samos

    I don't know if it's possible to ride it tubeless. Indeed, which system are you using to run tubeless ? I'm interested in it.
    I'm going to give it a go using stans sealant, yellow tape and flow rims. just ordered a set of 2.4 Advantages folding single ply from blueskycycling.com on 50% off for $25/each. Will report back in the coming weeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rideitall
    Still looking for that tire this fairly light yet has a stronger sidewall, say something like a real 2.35 or 2.4 front will 1.5 ply.
    Again sorry about to take this thread of topic i just wanted to pass along some info that i learned from the maxxis rep regarding EXO reinforced sidewalls.
    As i'm sure most of you heard the new single ply minion is out in a 2.5 single ply with the EXO sidewall.
    The maxxis rep was also saying that this EXO sidewall has always been in 2.4 Ardent and Advantage as well as will be an option soon on a 2.25 Ardent.
    Hope this helps for your search of 1.5 ply tires!

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    Maybe that's why the 2.4 Ardent is a so perfect tire for the Alps...

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    I thought i'd repost my bike since i made a few changes
    2009 Giant Reign 0
    -2011 36 Fox Talas RLC w/Kashima coat
    -KS i950r adjustable seat post with 5" travel
    -RaceFace Bashgaurd
    -Chromag Ranger Stem LTD 70mm (50mm was too short)
    -RaceFace SIXC Carbon handelbars 730mm wide!
    -Blackspire Sub4 Pedals
    -Stans Flow Rims laced to Hope Pro II hubs

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    Nice upgrades Murrdogg. Have you weighed your Reign now with this setup? Curious what weight your setup is at. Also, can you tell any difference in feel from 2010 Talas vs. 2011 Talas other than the travel preset differences?

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    Quote Originally Posted by murrdogg11
    I thought i'd repost my bike since i made a few changes
    2009 Giant Reign 0
    -2011 36 Fox Talas RLC w/Kashima coat
    -KS i950r adjustable seat post with 5" travel
    -RaceFace Bashgaurd
    -Chromag Ranger Stem LTD 70mm (50mm was too short)
    -RaceFace SIXC Carbon handelbars 730mm wide!
    -Blackspire Sub4 Pedals
    -Stans Flow Rims laced to Hope Pro II hubs
    What size frame? What is the bike's weight?

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    Nice forks!

    How much did you get the '11 Talas?
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    1.5 ply Minions??? is that worth something?
    I run a 2.5" DHF double ply Minion and it is roughly the same size as schwalbes 2.4" , it does weight more, but after a grueling weekend i didnt feel them any more.. Minions are great, but not in the wet, they get clogged although they dont become extremely slippery as the schwalbes.

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    To answer a few questions...
    -Frame size large
    -Fork price $900 from bike bling (10% off, although i believe you can get em at universal for 15% off now)
    -Bike weight TBD...will let you know in a few days
    -10 Talas 36R Compared to 11 Tallas 36RLC
    for me the new fork feels much plusher on big hits but most importantly has much better small bump sensitivity, which was lacking on my 10 talas. i think its because of the new coating but not sure.
    I like the two position travel setting, although its currently not working. I dont think i'll ever use the lockout and i wish they would have still put on the high speed compression adjustment. all in all i'm happy with the upgrade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twistedshifter
    Nice upgrades Murrdogg. Have you weighed your Reign now with this setup? Curious what weight your setup is at.

    30.8 lbs

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    Quote Originally Posted by cesalec
    Now Im wating for my Big bettey to arrive and see how they feel.

    Officially the Big Betty 2.4 is indeed BIG , much Bigger than the Fat Albert 2.4, it wont fit as a rear tire to a Reign 2008 , I dont know how is this situation with the 2009, 2010, and of course 2011 to come.

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    I am new here and new to mnt biking in general. This is my first bike and with only 2 rides, I can say I made a pretty good choice.

    2008 Reign 0 size small
    2010 RS Revelation Race 150 20maxle
    2011 Fox RP23
    Mavic Crossmax XL (overkill for me, want lighter wheels)
    Trail King UST (way too heavy but work good)
    Sunline V1 AM 50mm stem
    Giant contact riser bar 690mm
    Giant contact seatpost
    Selle An-atomica titanico saddle
    XT cranks 175mm (wish they were 170!)
    XTR 11-34 cass and chain
    Brakes and drivetrain stock
    Wellgo ti pedals
    Alligator Wind Cutter rotors
    Oury grips
    26.4 lbs as in the pic

    Brenda

    Updated pic and new cables, pedals, tires, rotors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by motochick

    I am new here and new to mnt biking in general. This is my first bike and with only 2 rides, I can say I made a pretty good choice.

    Brenda
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    Orange Reign

    Hi guys
    Just finished doing up my 2009 Reign 0 and thought id'e share it with ya's
    Iv'e given it a Custom Orange respray because i thought the silver was a bit dull in my opinion.
    Size is a small.
    Ive added a KS i900r seat post and yes,its as good as everyone says.
    Chromag handlebars and stem with Odi grips.
    Nuke proof pedals.
    Nobby Nic 2.25 Tubeless tyres.
    KMC X9 Gold chain
    and the rest is pretty much factory.
    Weight in current form is 28.71 pounds/13.05 Kilo's
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    hey on the respray, who did you have do it and what technique did they use (powdercoat etc)

    did you have to have it all sanded down first?

    any weight penalty?

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    Thanks mate.
    Me and my father painted it actually.
    Nah,we didn't powder coat it.Just used conventional liquid car spray paint.
    We had to completely strip it down and sand it.Then applied a few coats of grey primer,let it dry then did heaps of coats of orange then finally applied a few coats of clear.
    As with weight penalty, I don't think it added any extra weight with the new paint.

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    Sick,,, and you are not alone in your opinion, That silver is boring.

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    Late to the party...

    But here's my 09 Reign.
    Mods include:
    SLX Crank, (soon to be swapped for a Truvativ Noir) with Gusset Slim Jim mag pedals.
    Halo Supadrive front and rear hubs built into tubeless 819 rims, running dual ply Minions.
    Hope Tech M4 and X2 brakes
    RS Lyrik fork, (was 2 step, converted to coil)
    Van R rear shock, pushed. (MILES better!)
    Azonic carbon DH bars, fastened on with a Thomson 70mm stem, Hope headset.
    X9 shifters with the matchmaker clamps from Hope, X0 rear mech with some blingy alloy wheels.
    Last but defo not least the i950 seatpost with remote

    Oh, yer, the pics...

    DSCF0196 by rathbonepeter, on Flickr


    DSCF0197 by rathbonepeter, on Flickr


    DSCF0195 by rathbonepeter, on Flickr


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    Hey ratty2k, very nice setup. What is your weight ? I have a pushed van r at home and maybe will try it .... but I don't know waht I need for a coil.

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    HEAVY! 200lbs...+

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    Well, here is my (new to me) 2008 Reign 1. Only thing I've put on it so far is a chainstay protector.

    Anything I should absolutely upgrade on the bike?




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    Tire rubbing on 2.2 trail king

    I got a set of trail king ust 2.2 on Flows - and when im in my granny and 34tooth cog, my chain rubs the casing of the tire. Im not too impressed with this tire in the wet, and with old man winter knocking soon, i'd like to change out to a non ust tire - thinking the nobby nic or FA - anyone have any experience with these on a wide rim like a flow? on the rear obviously.

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    Here is my giant reign

    Giant reign 2 frame size s
    XT Dyna Sys cassette, rd, shifters and rd
    Gravity light mega exo crank (changed the inner ring to blacksphire 24t)
    answer pedals
    mavic crossmax st
    fox 32 talas 150mm
    hope fr stem
    truvativ stylo worldcup handlebar
    ergon grips
    hope x2 brakes
    joplin seatpost
    maxxis high roller 2.1 and 2.3 running tubeless
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    Those of you that are running the nobby nic's, are you using them all year round or just in the summer? Considering making the switch from the nevegals.

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    I have been using Nobby Nic's all year round.They've served me pretty well.The have good grip front and rear,have a good rolling speed and are pretty light.I use the UST versions in a size 2.25 front and back.
    I haven't used the Nevegals before so I cant really compare.

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    Just finished building up my custom
    '07 Reign 0, I freakin' love it!

    08 Fox Vanilla RL up front
    Float RP2 in the back
    Sun Disc Jockey/Equalizer rims
    Hayes Stroker Trail
    Race Face Evolve DH crank and bash (1x9)
    SLX rear der/shifter

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/imfullerrva/5071998655/" title="ReignZEROweb1 by imfullerRVA, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4089/5071998655_4d9f122fde_b.jpg" width="1000" height="667" alt="ReignZEROweb1" /></a>

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/imfullerrva/5072599782/" title="ReignZEROweb2 by imfullerRVA, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4145/5072599782_7caf922b09_b.jpg" width="1000" height="667" alt="ReignZEROweb2" /></a>

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    Тrue АМ-custom, IMHO



    Last edited by DocGold; 11-06-2010 at 11:41 PM.

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    Calling Krispy to the show off your latest build thread! Now that he debuted his latest ride and kicked some butt in Moab maybe he'll show how to properly pimp your 2011 Reign.

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    So for you reign owners that have done the coil conversion... anything I should know about before doing mine? I am planning on ordering the 2011 Van R coil 7.875 x 2.25 in the next few days. I have a 2010 Reign 2. I am also most likely converting to a 1x9 setup as well, so I know I won't have any issues with the front derailleur. But anything else I should know about before I do this?
    Be Fast.

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    You need to push out the bottom metal sleeve on the shock eyelet so the bottom bolt will fit through. Move FD up 1/4 inch. enjoy.

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    For those of you with the Fox 36 160mm forks... what are your static BB heights?
    I know tire selection adds to this number so listing your tire choice and size would be really convenient as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DocGold
    Тrue АМ-custom, IMHO

    This picture is awesome.

    What does the sign say?
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    Thanks, Patterson

    The sign say - "forbidden border", near to military base

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    Cool Doc. May I ask what country?

    Here in Singapore we ride in some areas that have similar military warning signs but it's no big deal...
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    I like the orange a lot. Should have left off the Giant lettering, however.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DanoXC
    Hi guys
    Just finished doing up my 2009 Reign 0 and thought id'e share it with ya's
    Iv'e given it a Custom Orange respray because i thought the silver was a bit dull in my opinion.
    Size is a small.
    Ive added a KS i900r seat post and yes,its as good as everyone says.
    Chromag handlebars and stem with Odi grips.
    Nuke proof pedals.
    Nobby Nic 2.25 Tubeless tyres.
    KMC X9 Gold chain
    and the rest is pretty much factory.
    Weight in current form is 28.71 pounds/13.05 Kilo's
    I like the orange a lot. Should have left off the Giant lettering. Just an opinion...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patterson
    Cool Doc. May I ask what country?

    Here in Singapore we ride in some areas that have similar military warning signs but it's no big deal...
    It is in Moscow, Russia, and these signs remained with the former warehouses of military property and don't deliver any problems

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    2009 Reign 1

    I have a 2009 Reign 1
    BBB 60mm Stem
    Kore 210mm bars
    2 Ring bash setup 24, 36
    DMR V8 pedals
    Shimano XT Wheelset with straight pull hubs ( Tubeles compatible )

    I guess the most interesting thing I've done so far is I'm running a pair of Geax 2.3 DHEA's tubeless. Not so special? Well these are just the standard wire bead non UST versions. Not the lightest ( due to double wall ) but uber stable, take a pounding and surprisingly quick!
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    Quote Originally Posted by nateh805
    So for you reign owners that have done the coil conversion... anything I should know about before doing mine? I am planning on ordering the 2011 Van R coil 7.875 x 2.25 in the next few days. I have a 2010 Reign 2. I am also most likely converting to a 1x9 setup as well, so I know I won't have any issues with the front derailleur. But anything else I should know about before I do this?
    I'm running a 2.25 DHX on my 08 Reign. Moved the derailleur up a bit, no problems. I'm thinking of going back to 1X9, it used to be 1X9 but I got tired of the exhausting climbs. Now after a year or so, I'm tired of hearing my chain bang all over the frickin derailleur when I come down. I miss the golden silence of a tech descent with 1X9 and chain tensioner. Never happy!

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