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    Anyone ran the stock Crossmarks on the X3 tubeless on the S-XC rims? The are good tires in my area, mostly hard pack so I'll probably stick with them until they wear out.

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    The Crossmark 2.1 is a good fast light rolling tire but that sidewall is so flimsy. I couldn't make it work on the stock wheels from my Anthem X1, but that doesn't mean someone else can't. Maybe I need to try again. The WTB 2.4 MutanoRaptors I had went tubeless much easier.

    Quote Originally Posted by jn35646 View Post
    Anyone ran the stock Crossmarks on the X3 tubeless on the S-XC rims? The are good tires in my area, mostly hard pack so I'll probably stick with them until they wear out.

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    I used the ghetto/gorilla tape/Stans with several tires on S-XC rims (29er). Rampage and a couple of high volume WTB's were no problem. Folding crossmark 2.1 had most difficulty - needed good compressor and 2 1/2 cups of Stans because you'll lose a lot of juice until the bead snaps. On my last attempt one crossmark mounted well but lost some air overnite but not flat. Still need to mount the other tire today after work as the first attempt failed and ran out of time.

    All the other tires I could do in the house, no valve core removal, no mess and probably could have snapped the bead with floor pump, but not the crossmarks! Do it outside and prepare for a mess. Also watch for juice on rotors as you don't want to get that mess in your pads.

    Good luck - it doable but not the best for first attempt.

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    CrossMark 2.1 on oem Anthem X wheels go tubeless?

    Quote Originally Posted by jn35646 View Post
    Anyone ran the stock Crossmarks on the X3 tubeless on the S-XC rims? The are good tires in my area, mostly hard pack so I'll probably stick with them until they wear out.

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    Had to ditch the CrossMarks after numerous flats. The sidewall is flimsier than tissue paper. Oh well it was a good excuse to go tubeless.

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    True. I think the 2.1 crossmarks will become dedicated tread for riding the long stretches of pavement to the long stretches of dirt road for those days I'm just putting in junk miles. Light and fast. Great with tubes when 60 psi pavement days are a callin'.

    First time the crossmarks came off I was surprised how flimsy/twisty/loose they were.

    Quote Originally Posted by ha-evolution View Post
    Had to ditch the CrossMarks after numerous flats. The sidewall is flimsier than tissue paper. Oh well it was a good excuse to go tubeless.

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    So - the rimtape was not yellow stans...

    Update to tubeless conversion of P-XC wheels

    I just got the Stans "flow" rim strips and had just enough time last night to install on the frt wheel and convert to tubeless - tire = Panarace Rampage 2.35 that was previously installed for a couple rides with tube. I did it with a hand pump and referenced the Stans video instructions for help. The key was definitely the soapy water on the bead. Wheel has not lost a lb of pressure since last night.

    The flow rim strip is definitely the idiot proof way to go... coulda done cheaper ghetto, but had already ordered em.

    Will convert the rear later and than ride... for reference its an Ardent 2.25 - also ridden with tube.

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    Rear was faster and easier - experience I guess

    Went for a good ride after mounting - after letting some air go on the trail - based on "feel" = perfect!

    The flow rim strip and stans brew works great, easy and still no air loss a full day + later!

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    Anyone know what the spoke tension should be at on the P-XC's?

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    The best quality of the stock wheels is the rim. With their high profile and shorter spokes, they keep lateral flex to a minimum. I'm curious about the rim weight to hub weight too - someone posted rims only as 490g on page 1 of this thread which isn't bad. I'd guess heavy hubs as the weight culprit. I absolutely love my XTC1 as is but wouldn't mind lighter wheels if they retained the same qualities and were a significant weight savings. Great bike.

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    Duke of Earl posted in this thread the following....

    P-XC2 profile inner bead width is 19mm with a sleeve joint. The rim weights are: 440g (26") and 490g (29") give or take 10g. 24mm tall profile allows for a slightly shorter spoke which helps manage the overall wheel weight PLUS increase the stiffness slightly.

    S-XC2 profile inner bead width is also 19mm with a pinned joint. The rim weights are: 460g (26") and 520g (29"), also give or take 10g. A slightly shorter profile is not nearly as radially stiff which does allow for slightly greater vertical compliance.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jinxy View Post
    The best quality of the stock wheels is the rim. With their high profile and shorter spokes, they keep lateral flex to a minimum. I'm curious about the rim weight to hub weight too - someone posted rims only as 490g on page 1 of this thread which isn't bad. I'd guess heavy hubs as the weight culprit. I absolutely love my XTC1 as is but wouldn't mind lighter wheels if they retained the same qualities and were a significant weight savings. Great bike.

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    Wow 490g for the 29er P-XC2. That's about the same as the stan's arch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by danK View Post
    Duke of Earl posted in this thread the following....

    P-XC2 profile inner bead width is 19mm with a sleeve joint. The rim weights are: 440g (26") and 490g (29") give or take 10g. 24mm tall profile allows for a slightly shorter spoke which helps manage the overall wheel weight PLUS increase the stiffness slightly.

    S-XC2 profile inner bead width is also 19mm with a pinned joint. The rim weights are: 460g (26") and 520g (29"), also give or take 10g. A slightly shorter profile is not nearly as radially stiff which does allow for slightly greater vertical compliance.
    How it look the first version P-29 rim (XTC models 2010) in comparison with models above? Maybe somebody show the photo P-XC2/S-XC2 without the tire?

    Thx

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    if anyone would ever like a set of p-xc29's I have some, cheap. 15mm front.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikwashere View Post
    if anyone would ever like a set of p-xc29's i have some, cheap. 15mm front.
    hi..how cheap is cheap ??

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    Great thoughts in here. I have a question on the 406892 Rhythm Tubeless Rim Strip-Symmetric method. Will this work on the 2010 P-XC. They are not the P-XC2. Thanks in advance.

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    Bontrager rim strip

    So I just did the bontrager rim strip method to my 2010 p-29's from my xtc2. I have not put Stan's in them yet but currently sitting at 60psi. Beads made pop when engaged. Aired up with hand pump. I will add Stan's tomorrow.

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    cool

    well sounds like you guys solved me alot of hassle

    im looking to get giant talon bike

    i think they have mavic crossmark tyres so at least i know there no good for tubeless

    so would have buy a different tyre if want tubeless any suggestions

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    So, the tires held air all night with no Stans at all. I pulled the core from the valves, and put 2oz of Stans, soaped the bead and aired up again with hand pump.POP POP beads seated again, all i can say is the conversion is super simple with the Bontrager stips.
    Now if these dang Specialized Captain Controls would stop leaking. I am almost all sealed but really? 3days of shaking and flipping. only lost 10psi in 3 days, but you can still see the bubbles from a few spots on the sidewall.
    I think I am going to add 2oz more to each wheel, due to the massive amounts of pin holes on the sidewalls in the first couple of shake downs.

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    i just got my 2012 anthem x 29er 1 last week and i wanna go tubeless.. im from the philippines and im not sure how to go about this as i havnt done tubeless before at all. i also have the Giant P-XC29-2 rims. my tires are Schwalbe Racing Ralph, 29x2.25 EVO Folding TL Ready.

    so my question is. what exactly do i need to go tubeless? do i need the stan's tubeless kit? or can i just buy the stan's sealant?

    also are the hubs that came with my wheelset ok? ([F] Giant Tracker Sealed/CNC w/ 15mm Axle, [R] Giant Tracker Performance, 32h) <-- according to website. i ask because i have a spare set of hope pro 2s that i want to use to replace the factory hubs.

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    I would go back to the post by mudmav and follow his directions. This was super easy. Took me less than 1hr to do both wheels.

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    No-Tubes.com is Stan's web site. It has instruction videos.

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    ok thanks i think ill go and try the gorilla tape + stans sealant way because there are no stans tubeless 29er kits available now in my LBS...

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    I did a pictorial guide of converting my wheels using Bontrager parts, stans sealant and Specialized tires:

    converting giant p-xc 2 29er wheels - Page 3

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    Anyone tried that Mavic adapter 15mm to 9mm yet?

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    @iBrown, My other bike has one. so simple to install and it works great!

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    Quote Originally Posted by scyule View Post
    P-XC 2.....weight.

    Front wheel with rim strip ( without 15mm thru axle).953 grams
    15mm thru axle 71 grams
    Rear wheel with rim strip 1215 grams
    Rear quick release 63 grams


    Of course these weight are WITHOUT tires/cassette/brake disc/
    Also worth noting, the stock ASPEN tires are nice and light but are mounted with 180 gram tubes.
    Is that for 26" or 29"?
    Better to have and not need it, than to need it and not have it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scyule View Post
    P-XC 2.....weight.

    Front wheel with rim strip ( without 15mm thru axle).953 grams
    15mm thru axle 71 grams
    Rear wheel with rim strip 1215 grams
    Rear quick release 63 grams


    Of course these weight are WITHOUT tires/cassette/brake disc/
    Also worth noting, the stock ASPEN tires are nice and light but are mounted with 180 gram tubes.
    Sorry about the below newbie question...


    I just bought a Giant P-XC2 wheelset, the front wheel doesn't have a "15mm thru axle"



    How do I go about getting one?


    I see this 15mm QR unit:



    I recently bought a DT Swiss wheelset, & the front wheel had a similar design, it came with a "slide thru unit", which could take a standard quick release. Is there something similar for the above Giant P-XC2 ?

    Did the P-XC2 come off of a high-end Giant bike, & it REQUIRES a 15mm type of QR system?
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    Quote Originally Posted by chimpanzee00 View Post
    Sorry about the below newbie question...


    I just bought a Giant P-XC2 wheelset, the front wheel doesn't have a "15mm thru axle"



    How do I go about getting one?


    I see this 15mm QR unit:



    I recently bought a DT Swiss wheelset, & the front wheel had a similar design, it came with a "slide thru unit", which could take a standard quick release. Is there something similar for the above Giant P-XC2 ?

    Did the P-XC2 come off of a high-end Giant bike, & it REQUIRES a 15mm type of QR system?
    The hub you show requires a thru axle. Looks like a 15mm. The fork comes with the axle, not the wheel. Fox and Rock Shox have different axles. You can't use one on the other fork.

    The picture of the axle you have looks weird. Not sure what that is

    Not sure what you are talking about on the DT wheels. A 15mm axle is similar to a standard quick release in that it slides through the hub, it's just fatter and it threads into the other end of the fork. It need to be removed everytime you rremove the wheel. A standard 5mm quick release can stay in the hub.

    search google or ebay for a 15mm axle, but remember your fork needs to be compatible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by streetrocket View Post
    i just got my 2012 anthem x 29er 1 last week and i wanna go tubeless.. im from the philippines and im not sure how to go about this as i havnt done tubeless before at all. i also have the Giant P-XC29-2 rims. my tires are Schwalbe Racing Ralph, 29x2.25 EVO Folding TL Ready.

    so my question is. what exactly do i need to go tubeless? do i need the stan's tubeless kit? or can i just buy the stan's sealant?

    also are the hubs that came with my wheelset ok? ([F] Giant Tracker Sealed/CNC w/ 15mm Axle, [R] Giant Tracker Performance, 32h) <-- according to website. i ask because i have a spare set of hope pro 2s that i want to use to replace the factory hubs.
    Kabayan! I have the same sets of wheel on my bike and they are tubeless using the Bontrager's tubeless kit. I did not have any trouble on it even during races, just make sure to put stan's every 2-3 mos.

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    weights on the S-XC2 wheel set form my 2011 Trance X3

    Front: 860 gm
    Rear: 1160 gm

    this is bare wheels - no rotors, strips, etc.

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    My LBS can convert my AX1 29er wheels to tubless for $40 an end using a Specialized Tubeless Kit and Stans liquid. The tires are Schwalbe Racing Ralph, 29x2.25 EVO Folding TL Ready. Is this a worthwhile upgrade? Are the non-UST tire sidewalls too flimsy to run tubeless?

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    I converted my anthem x 29 wheel set and Racing Ralph's to tubeless using a couple bucks worth of Gorilla tape, some old presta valves and a couple of scoops of Stan's .

    Not very difficult to do and even taking your time you can do both wheels in less than the time it takes you to take your bike to the shop and go back to pick it up.

    $20 in Stans and gorilla tape plus a couple of presta valves from old tubes and you have enough stuff to do a couple of wheel sets. With the Racing Ralph's you don't even need a compressor. They do weep like a baby though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BacDoc View Post
    I converted my anthem x 29 wheel set and Racing Ralph's to tubeless using a couple bucks worth of Gorilla tape, some old presta valves and a couple of scoops of Stan's .

    Not very difficult to do and even taking your time you can do both wheels in less than the time it takes you to take your bike to the shop and go back to pick it up.

    $20 in Stans and gorilla tape plus a couple of presta valves from old tubes and you have enough stuff to do a couple of wheel sets. With the Racing Ralph's you don't even need a compressor. They do weep like a baby though.
    Thanks for the response. Has it made any weight difference (weight of inner tube vs weight of Stan's I guess)? Did you notice any difference in how the tire behaves on the trail? Has the tire ever fallen off whilst riding? Thx

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    Quote Originally Posted by paulcd View Post
    Thanks for the response. Has it made any weight difference (weight of inner tube vs weight of Stan's I guess)? Did you notice any difference in how the tire behaves on the trail? Has the tire ever fallen off whilst riding? Thx
    Didn't notice a weight diff but the ability to run lower pressure improved ride quality. I'm 185lbs w/o gear and tubeless allows me to run mid 20s without issue. I've converted S-XC and P-XC and never had burp or squirm with Ralph's or Rampages. The Ralph's are noticeably lighter and roll faster but weep a lot and need to recharge more frequently(EVO)

    Rampages have held air for 6 months without recharge. I've run pressures low enought to bottom out and bead still held. I try to spin and ride with finesse but end up picking wrong lines and end up grinding thru sections that stress wheels, which is why I love my Anthem 29. I've flat spotted an S-XC rim and the P-XC is a lot stiffer and lighter.

    Go tubeless - its not difficult and will improve your ride!

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    S-xc tubeless set-up

    I set up my S-XC wheels on my Anthem X29 2 last week. I used the flow rim strips that the Stan's website recommended and a couple of scoops of the Stan's sealant. The rear wheel is holding well. It drops from the 28 lbs. that I ride to about 20 lbs. but never lower. I have always had to add air before each ride on all my tubeless set ups. I don't know if that is normal? May be due to the lighter, thinner tires I use. I am having trouble with the front wheel holding air. I have to add air during my ride and that's a pain in the a!!. I just added more sealent and also noticed that when pumping up the tire I never here the "pop" of the bead on the Racing Ralph's. Is this normal? The bead seems to be set. I never had as much trouble with my Specialized SS tubeless set-up.

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    Every tire is different but in my experience the Ralph's EVO seem to have the most issues, weeping and holding air. They are light and fast though. Just add more Stans and that will help.

    My Rampages have held air and no weeping of sealant. Would like to try Ralph snake skin to see the diff. Too bad they are so expensive!

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    Converted 2 x p-xc rims to tubless using the bontrager rhythm strips and Stan's. Easy as hell to do and not any weeping at all. Front is a 2.35 Hans dampf and rear is 2.25 RR.

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    Tires are holding air nicely since I put more sealant in them. It seems like it takes about a week before they are entirely sealed. I'm actually running 25 psi and I'm having no problems, fingers crossed!

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    Has anyone upgraded the rear hub star ratchet engagement from the 18 to the 36 points of engagement?

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    Found this after starting a thread. Sorry about that.

    I have the s-xc on my trance x4 and am.looking to upgrade the fork with thru axel fork.

    Buddy of mine has the p-xc2 taken off /unused for $150

    Are the pxc2s much better than the s for the price? Not a big weight weenie but I know wheelsets will shed the most weight.
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    ... and if we just ... Is rear hub still rebranded DT Swiss 350 for 2012?

    Is the rear hub still rebranded DT Swiss 350 on P-XC29-2???

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    For those asking about the Mavic 15mm to 9 mm adapter its very simple on the S-XC2. Its basically just plug and play. You can get it from price point.

    Mavic QR Plug- Fits 15mm Front Axle at Price Point


    Also, I used gorrilla tape and a Geax TNT 29 tire and it sealed pretty good without even adding sealeant. I'll add some sealeant, give it a good ride and report back on how it holds. I suspect that it will hold air and seal as good as anything.

    Here's the adapter:



    Just slip it in and you're ready to rock.


    When the **** did we get ice cream?

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    I ran gorilla tape on mavic 717 for about 2 years with geax tnt tires without a hitch! I had to cut my own valves fron old tubes cuz the stans valves kept poping through.

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    Are these wheelsets holding up to some aggressive riding/racing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kikoraa View Post
    Are these wheelsets holding up to some aggressive riding/racing?
    The S-XC not so much, the P-XC is lighter and stiffer. I flat spotted an S-XC, but running tubeless allows ridiculous low pressure an that has a lot to do with that.

    I'm pretty impressed with the P-XC as a stock wheel set.

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    That's good to hear. I want to swap 9mmqr to a thru axle and a friend has the Pxc2 set for cheap. I just wanted to make sure its not a complete Crap wheelset. This thread seems to like it. I currently have the sxc2 on my trance x. I don't want to spend a terrible amount of money and don't care about weight just longevity.

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    Mine held up well...

    Quote Originally Posted by kikoraa View Post
    Are these wheelsets holding up to some aggressive riding/racing?
    I did a season of racing and put in about 50 hours of general Southeastern riding over roots and rocks and the wheels haven't needed to be touched. (I have the P-XC wheelset that is stock on the XTC 29er 1.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ridefast84 View Post
    Has anyone upgraded the rear hub star ratchet engagement from the 18 to the 36 points of engagement?
    I just upgraded my star ratchets on my giant dt350 hub and wow what a difference!!! You guys gotta do it points of engagement went from 18 to 36 and really helped on technical clymbing!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ridefast84 View Post
    I just upgraded my star ratchets on my giant dt350 hub and wow what a difference!!! You guys gotta do it points of engagement went from 18 to 36 and really helped on technical clymbing!
    What year are your wheels from? Are they 2012?

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    Any stock giant wheels that say dt350 this upgrade will work

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    Update:

    I have the P-XC2 wheels that came stock on the 2011 XTC 29er 1. Last weekend I converted them from ghetto rim strip tubeless to Gorilla Tape Tubeless. The Geax Saguaros (2.2") needed a strap around the circumference to force the beads close enough to the rim to allow a floor pump to set them, but other than that I really like the setup. I was able to use the valve stems from my ghetto tubeless rim strips for the Gorilla Tape conversion so I didn't need to butcher any more tubes.

    Pros:
    1. 1" wide Gorilla tape (readily available) seems to fit perfectly in the rim
    2. Tires inflate with a "Pop....Pop" just like a Stan's rim (audible ping at 30 psi)
    3. Will be easier to throw in a tube in the case of severe tire damage (no messy rim strip to remove, just the valve stem)
    4. Worked by taking the valve stem from my ghetto tubeless setup (no new tubes were destroyed in the conversion)
    5. No ever-so-slight tale-tale sign of rubber that shows a ghetto tubeless installation

    Cons:
    1. Had to apply a strap around the tire and tighten several times before I could inflate with a floor pump
    2. More Stan's Sealant is spilled during inflation than using the ghetto rim strip method

    Method:
    1. Remove tire and ghetto rim strip
    2. Clean inside of rim to remove dirt and residue
    3. Apply 1" wide Gorilla Tape to the rim with a 4" overlap centered at the valve stem, pulling very tightly to stretch the tape as it is applied to help it conform to the inner rim profile
    4. Install a tire with a full-sized tube and inflate to ~40 psi and leave for 2 hours to press the tape into the rim completely
    5. Deflate tire and remove tube
    6. Add two full scoops of Stan's sealant and completely install the tire beads into the rim
    7. Carefully set the wheel on a bucket with the wheel in a horizontal orientation and apply a strap (preferably nylon with a ratcheting buckle) to force the tire beads into the rim
    8. Spray the sidewalls liberally with soapy water on both side of the tire
    9. Pump 10 times like a mad man, if the tire doesn't hold air tighten the strap and manipulate the tire beads farther to the side of the rim's interior. If the tire does hold air, remove the strap
    10. Inflate the tire until you hear the tire beads seat on the rim or you reach 35 psig, whichever comes first
    11. Hold the wheel vertically and shake the sealant into all the spots that are blowing soap bubbles between the rim and tire interface
    12. Set the wheel aside for 6 hours to see if it holds pressure

    Please note that this won't work with all tires, like the Maxxis Aspen for example. I had to use the ghetto rim strip method to get that combo to hold air due to leakages at the rim and tire interface.

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    Properly, with a chain whip and cassette tool. Other way is to tear it out with a pair of plyers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jn35646 View Post
    Properly, with a chain whip and cassette tool. Other way is to tear it out with a pair of plyers.
    We've managed to get the drive side off, but the other side there is no place to use the chain whip tool, just spoken to a bike repair shop and they told me to use the bearing tool and a long bar, he said sometimes he actualy has to stand on it to move it.....seems a bit excessive to me but i'll try it i guess
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cohern View Post
    We've managed to get the drive side off, but the other side there is no place to use the chain whip tool, just spoken to a bike repair shop and they told me to use the bearing tool and a long bar, he said sometimes he actualy has to stand on it to move it.....seems a bit excessive to me but i'll try it i guess
    You guys are talking about two different things.

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    we managed to remove it and it did require a 3ft pri-bar and a lot of force......new one bottom bracket fitted and all back working nicely

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cohern View Post
    Can anyone tell me how to remove the chain guard bracket on a giant bike?
    WTF is a chain guard bracket and why are you asking that question in a wheel set thread?

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    Lol. I assumed he\she meant the "dork disc"

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    Can anyone tell me how to remove the chain guard bracket on a giant bike?
    WTF is a chain guard bracket and why are you asking that question in a wheel set thread?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cohern View Post
    Can anyone tell me how to remove the chain guard bracket on a giant bike?

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    Anyone able to tell me what are S-XC29-2 wheels builf of?
    Anthem X 29er 2 (2012) - Bikes | Giant Bicycles | United States

    website doesn't tell much, and some more info would be great - are the hubs,rims spokes made by Giant or maybe manufactured by extrenal suppliers?

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    my friend got ripped 3 tires within 2 days using a pxc wheelset on his giant xtc when the wheelset was tubeless. id reccomend against using this wheelset for tubeless conversions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cormy View Post
    my friend got ripped 3 tires within 2 days using a pxc wheelset on his giant xtc when the wheelset was tubeless. id reccomend against using this wheelset for tubeless conversions.
    How did the tires get "ripped"?

    Was it sidewall tears? If so, factors that would cause that would be tire casing strength, riding conditions and rider skills. Not the wheel set.
    Better to have and not need it, than to need it and not have it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cormy View Post
    my friend got ripped 3 tires within 2 days using a pxc wheelset on his giant xtc when the wheelset was tubeless. id reccomend against using this wheelset for tubeless conversions.
    I'd recommend you get some idea !!

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    Crap, I just realized my freehub on my pxc2 is a deore hub.
    Anyone use k nevegal kev bead as tubeless with the pxc2?

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    I have a set of the S-XC2's on my XTC and I'm thinking of going tubeless. I've searched everything here and it seems it would be better to upgrade to Stans wheels instead. I have the Racing Ralph evo's 2.25 on them right now.

    Once I add the rim strips and lose my tubes exactly how much weight loss are we really talking about? It seems minimal unless I'm missing something?

    I went to the Stans site and it seems like the wheels there aren't much lighter than what I already have.

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    Just tape the wheels with stans tape and buy some tubeless tires.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kikoraa View Post
    Crap, I just realized my freehub on my pxc2 is a deore hub.
    Anyone use k nevegal kev bead as tubeless with the pxc2?
    I have a 2011 Trance X2 with P-XC2 wheelset and yes the the rear hub is a deore which I agree is not great.

    I set up ghetto tubeless on the Giant wheels with 2.35 Nevegal kev bead up front and 2.1 Nevegal on the rear. This is the 4th set of wheels this spring that I have done ghetto tubeless. 2 sets on DT Swiss rims (small block 8's 2.35 front 2.1 rear, ardents 2.4 exo front, 2.25 rear) 1 set on Stan' arch rim (Crossmarks 2.1 f and r ) and then the P-XC2 with the nevegals. Except for the EXO sidewall on the Ardent 2.4 all the others are single ply XC tires. All of the sets have been done with 1 or 2 wraps of gorilla tape, stems cut from old tubes. 2 of the sets have Stans sealant, the other 2 have home brew with this recipe

    1 part moulding latex
    2 part automotive slime
    2 part RV antifreeze (not automotive)

    this recipe is the base recipe in another huge forum thread and is constantly evolving.

    The only set to give me trouble was the Giant wheelset. The center channel on the rim is the deepest of the bunch and was harder to tape. The nevegals slipped on way to easy and were difficult to air up even with a compressor. The center channel again I think is the issue and I had to massage the hell out of the tire as I pumped air into it. All the other wheels aired up right away, no leaks. Once aired up the front Nevegal continued to leak very very slowly and needed a little air every few days. But I never had any burps or any other issues out of any of the wheels...till the last ride on the giant wheels. I had the front fail completely on a very hard impact.

    When I got home I took the tire off, cleaned it up and tried it on a DT Swiss wheel...much harder to get on and off. I had a spare DT rim and I put it on top of the Giant front wheel and the DT rim is slightly bigger. I don't think that alone caused the failure. I was also running the front at 20 lbs and it was a larger thin walled tire. I think it was a combination of all those things that caused it to fail. If it had been a different rim, a higher pressure or perhaps a different tire (stronger sidewall or smaller size) then maybe it would have been okay. A 2.35 Nevegal at 20lbs on a sloppy fitting rim was a wreck waiting to happen.

    Regardless I won't run the P-XC2 as a tubeless again. Not worth the hassle or the risk in comparison to the other wheelsets I have been using. The DT Swiss and Stans rims have both been excellent. The Ardent Exo tire has been the best. Stiffer sidewall without a big weight penalty and more stability in the 2.4 when compared to the Nevegal 2.35. The Ardent as well rolls surprisingly well for a big tire...way better than the Nevegal 2.35 it replaced...but thats another topic.
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    I have the pxc2 and wrapped it twice with gorilla tape and used cut out valves and stans. Kenda nevegal 2.1 front and rear.

    Rode everyday last week with no problems except for Sunday. I hit some metal and tore the sidewall on my front tire. Until then the wheels were holding air just fine. Oh yea, it took the first try to air up both tires. One did lose air overnight, but I double checked the bead and had to adjust. Since my front nevegal is destroyed I put a maxxis ardent 2.25 on today. I'll ride it tomorrow and see how it goes. I hate the ardent tread pattern.

    Ps I run both tires around 35 psi. I weight 220 so low pressure makes me nervous.

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    I put an ardent 2.4 exo on the front and compared to the 2.35 nevegal it seemed to roll much easier. I put the 2.25 ardent on the back and I wish I had bought the exo version of that. I like the look of the nevegal tread pattern better but the ardent has been fine and all around a better tire. If you are 220 then maybe a bit more volume in the tire may be better than more pressure. Depends on the sort of trails and riding that you do. I like the bigger volume, lower pressure front in technical rocky stuff.

    After several months of running latex inside my nevegals I certainly did not notice any of the delamination issues that have been mentioned.

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    Sxc 9mm qr to 15qr?

    I just got a bike with S-XC wheels with 9mm qr hub. I want to upgrade the fork, and am wondering if it is possible to convert the hubs to 15qr ta? Or do I need to replace the front wheel? Thanks.

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    Just an update. I've been running the pxc2 Tubeless for about a month now with no problems.

    2 wraps of 1" gorilla tape
    Cut-out valve stems
    A final 6" length strip to cover the valve
    Store bought stans

    I do the finger squeeze before every ride and the air pressure seems fine

    I do however fill them back up to around 40psi every weekend. They barely drop in pressure though mainly from the occasional burp/hard hits.

    I keep pressure high because I weigh 220 and just get sketched by low psi.

    Hope this helps!
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    i have a talon2 29er and the Giant website says it has XC29 rims are these any different with the SX-C and PXC type rims tubeless conversion-wise?

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    bosbik,

    To my knowledge all Talons come with S-XC rims.

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    hmm...the S-XC rims have "S-XC" written on them right?

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    great info for tubeless, will be converting my SXC2 wheels soon.

    How will the sxc2 hubs hold up to a "clyde" im 245lbs will not be doing any serious trail work yet but by october i plan to be pretty serious.

    thanks

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    I definitely feel like both wheelsets are a great combo of budget,strong, and light. Not extreme in either direction. I have no problem riding these out (the pxc2) until they need replacing. I'm 220 plus a few more for gear and have put a lot of miles on them this summer without having to true. I have the deore hubs which I'm sure the sxc have the same but rebranded. Its one of those situations where I want something fancy and hope mine break so I can replace them like the brand whore that I am, but I know they are totally legit and will last a long ass time.

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    awesome good to hear, my plan was ride to broken LOL

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    They seem bomb proof so far. Tubeless ready FTW

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    Quote Originally Posted by gvs_nz View Post
    My P-xc2 off AX1 are 913/ 1045 total at 1958g. Air up possibly even tighter than crests with a plenty of popping noises. I run with just stans yellow tape and sealant OK[ I always run a couple of psi higher without rim strips though]
    I like them especially the quiet DT350 hub on the rear compared to my hope hubs.Look like DT competition 2.0mm/ 1.8mm spokes. Really don't need to upgrade something like a flow wheelset as these are sensible weight and stiffness.
    This is good info. My Arch wheels have an actual scale weight of 1128R/888F, so the Giants could potentially weigh less. Just hope it's not going to be a PIA to air them up tubeless with the now stock Nobby Nics.

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    Are the DT350 hubs rebranded? About to get a Trance X1 29er (P-XC2 wheels) in and curious as to which hubs they have. I'm hoping for the DT350 so I can upgrade the star ratchet.

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    Different hub shell. The internals are DT 350 though. Unless that changed for 2013.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidcarson48 View Post
    Different hub shell. The internals are DT 350 though.
    What is the easiest way to determine which you have? Something that quickly gives it away from the shape of the hub in comparison to the actual DT350?

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    I have a 2013 Anthem X Advanced 29er 1 and the hub shells actually say Giant AND DT Swiss on them.

    Your LBS should be able to tell quickly by opening up the free hub. You'll see the star ratchet if it's DT internals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidcarson48 View Post
    I have a 2013 Anthem X Advanced 29er 1 and the hub shells actually say Giant AND DT Swiss on them.

    Your LBS should be able to tell quickly by opening up the free hub. You'll see the star ratchet if it's DT internals.
    The Anthem X Advanced 29er 1 is deliverd with an Giant P-XCR-1 wheelset. This one indeed has the Star Ratchets. Not shure if the P-XC2 also have these! So before u buy the Star Ratchet upgrade, please check if you have these internals!

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    Quote Originally Posted by HkNeef View Post
    The Anthem X Advanced 29er 1 is deliverd with an Giant P-XCR-1 wheelset. This one indeed has the Star Ratchets. Not shure if the P-XC2 also have these! So before u buy the Star Ratchet upgrade, please check if you have these internals!
    Yeah, I'll just open it up if that's what it takes. Was just curious if there was an easy way to determine if it was rebranded. If it says DT Swiss on it though like the other comment, I guess that would be an easy way to tell.

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    anyone know if the pxc2 or sxc2 can be converted to take a 20mm front axle?

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    I don't believe so. If I'm wrong, that would be good news.

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    ok, newb question so take it easy on me.. Can i do a direct swap from the s-xc wheels to a p-xc wheel on my 2012 xtc 29er 2 ?
    what kind of retro fitting would be involved? I too would like to go tubeless but if im going to do it i would like a little better wheel first. I was looking at the arch-ex wheels already but if the p-xc wheels are about the same weight i can pick those up much cheaper. so thats why i ask.. I went through this whole thread but im still fuzzy on if i can do this. thanks in advance for the help i really appreciate it.

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    There is no issue swapping the S to the P, but don't spend the money. It's not worth it as they are close enough in weight. I would say invest in a true TLR wheelset if that's the route you want to go. The S-XC will convert to tubeless just as easily as the P-XC.

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    yeah, I was looking a take off set for 100$ which also included the tires.. otherwise i think your right.. not much of a difference.
    Quote Originally Posted by davidcarson48 View Post
    There is no issue swapping the S to the P, but don't spend the money. It's not worth it as they are close enough in weight. I would say invest in a true TLR wheelset if that's the route you want to go. The S-XC will convert to tubeless just as easily as the P-XC.

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    Meh...if the tires are TLR and something that hook up well in your area, maybe. Otherwise use that money to grab a solid TLR wheelset. Arch and Flow wheelsets with XT or X9 hubs can be had for $350 on ebay and probably at your LBS.

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    I'll ask my lbs about a set of crests.They already told me they would NOT convert my s-xc2 rims to tubeless because they were not intended to do so.
    the rims are 600$ on stans site.. I would be shocked if my lbs could get them for 350$
    actually i would be shocked to get them on ebay for $350 as well lol you sure your not hitting the pipe? (i kid of course)



    Quote Originally Posted by davidcarson48 View Post
    Meh...if the tires are TLR and something that hook up well in your area, maybe. Otherwise use that money to grab a solid TLR wheelset. Arch and Flow wheelsets with XT or X9 hubs can be had for $350 on ebay and probably at your LBS.
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    If u r getting Stan's get the arch ex rims. I have both crest and arch ex and the crest wheels require minor truing.

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    Here is the hub on my P-XC2 rear wheel that came with my Trance X1 29er. From the outside it doesn't look much like the dt350. I might take it apart here soon unless anyone else has experience with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfoots View Post
    I'll ask my lbs about a set of crests.They already told me they would NOT convert my s-xc2 rims to tubeless because they were not intended to do so.
    the rims are 600$ on stans site.. I would be shocked if my lbs could get them for 350$
    actually i would be shocked to get them on ebay for $350 as well lol you sure your not hitting the pipe? (i kid of course)
    I've been running a set of S-XCs from 2011 for about 1.5 years now tubeless with 0 issues. I call BS on them not converting the rims unless they've changed since.

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    @ ridefast84
    I'm 5'6" on a good day and a buck 50 at my heaviest...

    @fontarin

    I agree, but i do understand where they are coming from. they had poor luck with it in the past and the last thing they want to deal with is some customer coming in everyday because the wheels are losing air..ofcourse they didnt say that but thats what im thinking.. perhaps Giant has an official stance with the shops that sell their bikes? i dont know but I can easily do it myself anyway.. i just figured if they would do it for free when the bike was being assembled ..why not..
    if i can get a set of stans with an xt hub for $350 ill do it.. is there a good hub thats not noisy like the hope hub?

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    XT or X9 hubs should be under $400 for sure. The ZTR hubs on Stan's site are lighter and more expensive.

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