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    Idea! Giant in 2015? Ideas? Thoughts? Predictions?

    Similar to the thread I started in January 2013, I thought I would kick off another looking ahead to 2015 for Giant.

    Obviously, 2013 (model year 2014) was a huge year for Giant, and quite possibly the biggest year for them in terms of product changes, introductions, innovations, and massive industry shifts with wheel size changes. So far, the new Giant line-up is getting pretty good reviews from the press as well as the end user, which is great to see for sure.

    With all that said though, what are your thoughts as to where Giant will go for the 2015 model year that we will see later this year? Will remaining bikes that were unchanged get refreshed for 2015, like the Glory or the Reign? Will 27.5 enter into the downhill bike? Will the 29er go away completely?

    My only guess at this point is an all-new, 160mm travel front and rear, Reign 27.5. Tell me that wouldnít be a sweet, all-mountain machine that would instantly rival the likes of the Bronson!

    Thoughts? Ideas? Concepts? What will Giant bring for 2015?

    For reference, here is the 2014 thread, started 1/2013:

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    Re: Giant in 2015? Ideas? Thoughts? Predictions?

    I hope for an Anthem X29 advanced sl with slightly shorter chainstays and a bit longer top tube (reach) and a bit slacker headtube (for use with shorter stem).
    But I fear it will not be realised (Turner Czar...?)
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    Giant in 2015? Ideas? Thoughts? Predictions?

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    You guys are silly, Giant already announced 29ers are dead.
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    I don't know where people get the idea that 29ers are dead. Giant said they didn't feel like 3 wheel sizes were sustainable. I can take that same statement and make it mean that if 27.5 bikes don't sell the way they want them to, they'll kill them off and go back to just 26 and 29. By the same token, it looks to me, given the current lineup, that it's more likely the 26 inch wheel goes away than the 29er.

    That said, my prediction for 2015 is if Giant doesn't come up with more component/price packages like this: Altitude Rally Edition | Rocky Mountain Bicycles then they won't be selling me a bike. Because honestly, I just can't bring myself to shell out money for any of the current trance packages.

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    Giant will realize how stupid the all in jump to 27.5 was. They'll be forced to re balance their line up with the high end 29ers they got rid of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoTone View Post
    You guys are silly, Giant already announced 29ers are dead.
    I tend to agree with this, and I do think 29ers for Giant will go away prior to the 26 going away, at least for the Glory. Did you see this video? I think it is pretty clear about Giant's intentions on the 29er.

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    No, I don't think that video makes anything about their intentions clear regarding 29ers. It states they are committed to 27.5, that they've been testing a 27.5 Glory. Yes, he said "the advantages are clear even on cross country, even on hard tails" but if you watched Giants world cup XC riders, some of them used 27.5 and went back to 29" bikes, or switched depending on the courses.

    No where have I heard anything that indicates the death of the 29" Giant bike any moreso than the death of the 26" Giant. In fact, the death of the 26" Giant seems much more likely to me, given that:

    26" Trance no longer available
    26" Anthem no longer available
    Both still available in 29er.

    In fact, the ONLY 26" Giants still available for 2014 that I'm aware of are the Reign X and the Glory, and they are the only models unavailable so far in 27.5. I think you people are reading this completely backwards.

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    In fact, I'll go one further. Part of the reason I'm holding off on buying a 27.5 Trance, in addition to the fact that I don't like the component specs and price points on any of them, is that I'm hold out hope next year will bring a 27.5 Reign X. There. I said it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cotharyus View Post
    In fact, I'll go one further. Part of the reason I'm holding off on buying a 27.5 Trance, in addition to the fact that I don't like the component specs and price points on any of them, is that I'm hold out hope next year will bring a 27.5 Reign X. There. I said it.
    We are on the same page on this for sure. I was really amped to get a 2014, but after more and more research, I decided to wait and see what the 2015 lineup brings. Either the spec will change on the existing stuff, or my hope, a 27.5 Reign. Worst case, I can always get a 2014 left over for a deal.
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    The Trance, or more so the SX already meets the Bronson head on (or bests it) as far as I can tell, not having road any SC bikes but just by reviews and impressions here. A 27.5 Reign X might end up the sickest Freeride/slopes style ride short of a full on Glory. It seems to me that the Trance was meant to replace the Reign (which it did pretty well I think) and be the one bike to fill the Trail, All Mountain, and Enduro categories. I would argue they missed a bit on the Trail, but definitely got the AM and Enduro segment nailed. But that depends on you definition of a Trail bike.

    For the trails in the area I sell bikes, and for our average customer I see a gaping hole in their line up between the Anthem and the Trance 27.5, based on my impressions of a test ride of the a 3. Now I am just the wrench and do some sales, so take that as you may. But it seems like it's the cheapest Trances are the FS bikes that sell the best for us. The new 27.5s haven't moved, save for one. What I would like to see is the Yukon brought back. Give it 27.5" wheels, full Maestro (the last Yukon had some weird not quiet that actually worked just fine), 120mm of travel and the Talon's geometry (or as close as you can get). A full X5 9spd drivetrain, Suntour Raidon fork or X-Fusion equivalent, and generic Giant shock, and a price of $1500-$1700. Offer a nicer version as well for $2500 and boom. The perfect trail ripper for this area, but with the noobs in mind. Call it a sport level bike if you want. That's cool. By the time you grow into and then out of that bike you'll know which way you'll want to go for your next bike. It'd be nice if they offered a frameset too.

    But that's just my take, and I don't order bikes. Hell, I'm usually deliberately left out of that conversation.
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    My pick is at least some frames designed for 1X drivetrains. And possibly better in-house wheelsets.

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    i think most likely a 28.5 wheel size lol

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    I'm betting they drop the 29er in all models with the exception of the Revel and the Anthem in various but limited models. I'd hope for a Anthem Advanced 29er, and Anthem 29er. I think the Trance will be all 27.5.

    All else will be 27.5 for off-roading except maybe the Glory.

    There's no internal development, but I think Giant could offer a Fat bike with little difficulty to counter Specialized's entry into that market. It might be worthwhile just as a conversation piece at retail. Giant Fat Tire bike ...

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    I'm not certain they will get rid of the Trance 29er. It and the Trance 27.5 are very different bikes. The Trance 29er may be one of the best trail bikes on the market. I feel the 27.5 Trance is not a trail bike but an AM/Enduro. But that is the area I am in and comparing the cheapest versions of the bikes. If Giant gets rid of the Trance 29er I'll have to recommend the GT's Sensor.

    Since the Talon 27.5s came out and GT's 2014 Karakoram line up was priced so well, we haven't sold that many Revels. We sold some Talon 29ers early on but that faded. I actually would be surprised to see any sport level 29er HTs in the 2015 model year.

    I am more curious about the XTC carbon 29ers. There are so many really good carbon 29er HTs on the marker, and the XTC 27.5 is the only one I know of with the "modern XC geo" (my term). A similar thing might be said for the Anthems. The 27.5 customer is a different customer. Why compete with everyone for the 29er XC customer when you can have the 27.5 one all to yourself?

    Singletracks say that over 60% of riders are on AM bikes, so just how big is the XC market?

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    I would personally prefer more development of 29'ers like the Anthem. Shorter chainstays. Convertible rear end. Back to Rock Shox unless Fox brings back LSC adjustments on their forks. If no development then at least continued production of current quick steering anthem X29 especially the Advanced 1 and 0.

    I can't predict what they will do. I am curious to see what they do with the 27.5 stuff. I'd like to know how the sales went. I rode a 27.5 Anthem and while it was good, I then rode my 29'er and I didn't feel I preferred the 27.5 bike.

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    Ive been messaging Adam Craig about his personal experience with the Anthem andTrance 27.5. His response was a trance can do it all. Very well rounded bike. As for the Anthem he said a rocket ship. Cant go wrong with either. But what he did mention in our exchanges of messages, was he's pushing Giant to come up with a Anthem 27.5 with 120mm travel front and rear with a dropper. His current Anthem Advanced has a 120mm fork and he loves it. Almost a do all bike that can handle anything. But the 100mm rear travel limits it on some of the trails.
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    Re: Giant in 2015? Ideas? Thoughts? Predictions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Silentfoe View Post
    Giant will realize how stupid the all in jump to 27.5 was. They'll be forced to re balance their line up with the high end 29ers they got rid of.
    I agree with foe here. The 29" was a sea change in mountain biking, and depending who you ask, the 27.5" is either a marketing gimmick or a 'identity-confused 29er' Too niche, especially when marketers use 29 descriptions to sell a 27.5.

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    I hope that Giant keeps the 29er line, I test rode the 27.5 Anthem was not real impressed, got back on the 29er and fit myself well.
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    Agree, a new Anthem 29er till next year would be the best they can do. More XC-race oriented and look at the changes Spez has done to the Epic WC2014.

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    28.25: the newest wheel size that perfectly blends the characteristics of a 29er with the performance of a 27.5.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Badmovies.org View Post
    28.25: the newest wheel size that perfectly blends the characteristics of a 29er with the performance of a 27.5.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MI-29er View Post
    But what he did mention in our exchanges of messages, was he's pushing Giant to come up with a Anthem 27.5 with 120mm travel front and rear with a dropper. His current Anthem Advanced has a 120mm fork and he loves it. Almost a do all bike that can handle anything. But the 100mm rear travel limits it on some of the trails.
    Kind of what I want for the customers and riders around here, and what I was referring to with bringing the Yukon back with 120mm of travel and the Talon 27.5's geo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MTBeing View Post
    I agree with foe here. The 29" was a sea change in mountain biking, and depending who you ask, the 27.5" is either a marketing gimmick or a 'identity-confused 29er' Too niche, especially when marketers use 29 descriptions to sell a 27.5.

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    I don't know anyone who's actually ridden a 27.5 who says any of that.

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    In product development there are two main strategies.

    1. You develop what you think is the best and then try to make people buy it
    2. You identify the people needs and produce products to cover them

    In my opinion the first one applies to the bike industry the past 2-3 years. People didn't wake up on day and felt dissatisfied with the 26ers and asked for 29ers. They also didn't ask for 27.5ers. It was all an industry choice and they used and keep using real attacking marketing tactics to support this choice like saying 26ers are dead, 29ers will be dead and 27.5ers is the future etc.

    Don't get me wrong. I believe that both 26ers and 29ers have their own benefits and having owned both they are really distinctive. I also believe that 27.5ers have their own benefits but I don't agree that they offer the best of both worlds. Marketing says that they are lighter than 29ers and faster than 26ers but common sense also says that they are heavier than 26ers and slower than 29ers.

    I understand Giant business decision to try to push both the industry and peoples perceptions and preferences but I just dont agree with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paris Galanis View Post
    In product development there are two main strategies.

    1. You develop what you think is the best and then try to make people buy it
    2. You identify the people needs and produce products to cover them

    In my opinion the first one applies to the bike industry the past 2-3 years. People didn't wake up on day and felt dissatisfied with the 26ers and asked for 29ers. They also didn't ask for 27.5ers. It was all an industry choice and they used and keep using real attacking marketing tactics to support this choice like saying 26ers are dead, 29ers will be dead and 27.5ers is the future etc.

    Don't get me wrong. I believe that both 26ers and 29ers have their own benefits and having owned both they are really distinctive. I also believe that 27.5ers have their own benefits but I don't agree that they offer the best of both worlds. Marketing says that they are lighter than 29ers and faster than 26ers but common sense also says that they are heavier than 26ers and slower than 29ers.

    I understand Giant business decision to try to push both the industry and peoples perceptions and preferences but I just dont agree with it.
    Where have you been? People have been converting bikes to 650B for years and most have been very pleased with the change. That quest is what ended with me getting a 29er since I couldn't fit 650B on my Compulsion.
    Also, if you knew the history behind the choices made when 'mountain biking' was just starting, you know that 650B was the preference, 26 was chosen purely out of an economic necessity.
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    Thank you for the history lesson. Yes. Some people convert their bikes to 650B. Some even squeeze tires that barely fit or use skinnier tires that are not ment for their bike purpose only to say that they run 650B. Yes 650B has been around before 26ers but so did horses before cars etc. Also why 27.5 and not 28? Why 29 and not 30?

    The only thing I have to agree with you is every company choice is based on financial criteria. They introduced 29ers and advertised them as the next best thing and for some people they were. But most probably they didn't get their numbers and also many people switched back to 26ers. So what is the next "logical" choice? We split the difference in middle and try to convince people that this is the best choice. Yes it maybe for some people. But from this to start saying that 26ers are dead and 29ers will be dead sorry my friend I don't but their BS.

    And speaking about BS please watch this video. You can see it in their faces that they dont really believe what they are saying. And of course the first thing that the Giant guy says is that the industry is quilty for pushing hard 29ers last year so maybe next year he will have the same opinion about 27.5ers. But please in the meantime buy our latest model.



    Personally I respect people's choices. And the more the better. So I can't really respect this and accept the 26ers / 29ers are dead BS.

    PS. Nothing against Gaint. My current bike is a Reign SX and I love it. It can also be converted to 27.5 so nothing really personal about 27.5ers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoTone View Post
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    Strangely, when I looked at the thread yesterday there were only a few replies and the earlier post about 28.5 wasn't there. Ah well, punked by a fickle forum.
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    There's room for an Anthem X 27.5 that's 100mm/120mm or 120/120. Same frame, same geo, just a different link at the back and a longer fork up front.

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    Hopefully carbon Trance 29 and 27.5 advance frames to become available. 27.5 Reign would be very cool addition. Love them to do away with OD2 just because it seems pointless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobmouse View Post
    Hopefully carbon Trance 29 and 27.5 advance frames to become available. 27.5 Reign would be very cool addition. Love them to do away with OD2 just because it seems pointless.
    Trance 27.5 Advanced frames are available (although I haven't checked stock recently), and the 27.5 Trance replaced the regular Reign (but not the Reign X). Every review I have read has said it's better than the Reign. But we might see a 27.5 Reign X next year.

    As far as a 120mm Anthem 27.5, you guys do realize that would be nothing more than a 26" Trance with 27.5 wheels and a short head tube, right? Check the geos. Give me a 2013 Trance X with 27.5 wheels to sell in my area, and tell Adam he can flip his stem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jazclrint View Post

    As far as a 120mm Anthem 27.5, you guys do realize that would be nothing more than a 26" Trance with 27.5 wheels and a short head tube, right?
    That you can't jump without voiding the warranty on ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cotharyus View Post
    That you can't jump without voiding the warranty on ....
    I don't know about that. Warranty might stick with that much travel.

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    Anyone seen the latest MBA with the interview with the Giant USA product manager? In the last paragraph she essentially states that for 2015 a current model that isn't 27.5, will be. In the context of MTB, which the interview obviously was, that leaves the Revel, the Glory and the Reign. For the men's rides anyways. She did say that the women's market was a huge are for them so it could be something in that lineup.

    I'm sticking with the Reign idea being the next to go 27.5. Glory? Interesting thought. I'm sure they've been testing it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silentfoe View Post
    Giant will not deny your Anthem warranty if you jump it.
    Based on the warranty information that came with my Anthem, I'm willing to error on the side of caution. Also, I had my shop ask Giant what someone would need to be on to ensure a no questions asked warranty replacement if a frame broke on something like a 4 foot drop, and they said Trance minimum. Besides, I've broken my Anthem frame once, and that was being very conservative about air time (read: Nothing bigger than I can bunny hop). I'm not keen to do it again

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    I predict more amazing builds I won't want to buy because of terribly ugly paint schemes.
    I'd be on an aluminum SX already if it weren't painted that horrific mustard gold. 2014 was better than the year before, but I hope Giant has hired new graphic designers.

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    1. All new Reign X, 27,5, probably carbon.

    2. Full carbon frames for Anthem X and Trance X.

    3. Hope they get rid of OD2 in 2015.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kobayashi View Post
    1. All new Reign X, 27,5, probably carbon.

    2. Full carbon frames for Anthem X and Trance X.

    3. Hope they get rid of OD2 in 2015.
    What extra will the rear triangle in carboon really add?

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    It will add about $250 and you'll lose 10 grams.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kobayashi View Post
    3. Hope they get rid of OD2 in 2015.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silentfoe View Post
    It will add about $250 and you'll lose 10 grams.
    10 whole grams woohoo! I'd like to see the ReignX in carbon and keep it 26. Just a general stereotype but I feel 29ers for XC, 650b for trail/am and 26 for gravity enduro/DH. If 650b was as great as they say for the DH side of the spectrum then pro racers would all ready be all over them. Sure Steve Smith had a 650b for one race but most of the top ranking racers stayed with 26.

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    Rock Shox or at the very least FOX Factory FIT forks as options. Fox oem evolution forks are pretty mediocre I am finding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by morkys View Post
    Rock Shox or at the very least FOX Factory FIT forks as options. Fox oem evolution forks are pretty mediocre I am finding.

    So you could choose an upgrade to FIT on every modell? A lot of modells do already this year come with FIT

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    Quote Originally Posted by plupp View Post
    So you could choose an upgrade to FIT on every modell? A lot of modells do already this year come with FIT
    That would be nice. As it is, they are only the Performance forks and shocks on, for instance, all of the Anthem Advanced 29 and Anthem Advanced 27.5 and Anthem 27.5. I think previously these were called Evolution.

    It is possible to swap lower internals or of course just buy a new fork, headset and stem, but...I was hoping the fork options will improve, perhaps with some FIT forks. I suppose I am also hoping that 2015 Fox forks will improve, particularly the lower models. I have not tried the 2014 Performance CTD forks. Perhaps they are better than the Evolution fork on my Anthem X1 29.
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    Quote Originally Posted by morkys View Post
    That would be nice. As it is, they are only the Performance forks and shocks on, for instance, all of the Anthem Advanced 29 and Anthem Advanced 27.5 and Anthem 27.5. I think previously these were called Evolution.

    It is possible to swap lower internals or of course just buy a new fork, headset and stem, but...I a hoping the fork options will improve, perhaps with some FIT forks. I suppose I am also hoping that 2015 Fox forks will improve, particularly the lower models. I have not tried the 2014 Performance CTD forks. Perhaps they are better than the Evolution fork on my Anthem X1 29.
    It is FIT-forks on the higher end Anthems for this year. Fox Performance Fork is with FIT but without Kashima and the tuning nob.

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    Quote Originally Posted by plupp View Post
    It is FIT-forks on the higher end Anthems for this year. Fox Performance Fork is with FIT but without Kashima and the tuning nob.
    I don't see that on the website for Canada. The stuff I saw was performance.

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    Giant will announce that they were all wrong backing 27.5 and...never mind, that's just rediculous.

    29 showed the advantage of a bigger wheel but 27.5 tells you that you have bigger wheel options with a lessening of the negative properties of 29. In fairness that is in a context of appreciating some of the great qualities of smaller wheels: faster spin-up, lighter weight, less torsional floppiness in steering.
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    Quote Originally Posted by morkys View Post
    I don't see that on the website for Canada. The stuff I saw was performance.
    Yes, and Performance is with FIT. Evolution fork is still the name for the O/B damper that is mounted on for example
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    If you take a close look on big pictures on the bikes with Performance fork, you could even see the FIT decals on them.

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    Well I'll be darned. That's interesting. Too bad the Fox website does not reflect this properly

    This does make more sense. I was hankering for a 2013 Anthem X Advanced 29er 1 because it had a good level of Rock Shox fork. I had thought the 2014 model had the regular Evo type fork. If the 2014 has a 2014 Fox FIT fork, that should be quite a bit better.

    Giant should point that out in their specs. Fox website does not show the Performance OEM forks yet so you wouldn't know the Performance forks were FIT without seeing that FIT on the bottom of the fork, or by asking somebody. You'd think Fox would have more info on their website AND that Giant would include FIT in the specs for the fork.

    Hopefully the oem Performance FIT forks are as good as the Factory 2014 forks as I heard they were even better than the 2013. The 2013 EVO forks aren't very good. In very bumpy downhill terrain they are overwhelmed and "jackhammer" as another rider said. They bounce and transmit the vibration to the rider. They absorb the bumps, but harshly.

    I am asking Fox if you can add the 3 trail adjust and/or remote to the 2014 oem Performance FIT fork.

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    Quote Originally Posted by morkys View Post

    I am asking Fox if you can add the 3 trail adjust and/or remote to the 2014 oem Performance FIT fork.
    It comes with the CTD on the fork knob, and can be upgraded with the remote for a small amount of money. I think you are able to upgrade the FOx Evo 2013 to remote also.

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    The Performance CTD FIT fork must come with CTD but I wonder if you can "upgrade it" to include the Trail Adjust with the 3 Trail settings or add remote. I'd prefer the 3 Trail Adjust settings. I could add remote to 13 Evo but I don't like the performance, hence my desire for a better fork than the EVO CTD.

    EDIT - My bad. The 2013 Evo fork on my bike is not Open Bath, its Open Cartridge, which is also not a FIT cartidge.

    Anyhow...I am curious to see what Giant does for 2015. I wonder how their 27.5 sales have gone. Also curious if they are going to up the bottom bracket heights of the 27.5. Some complained it was too low.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silentfoe View Post
    As a Giant dealer I will say this. We have the hardest time moving the 27.5 bikes. Everyone looking for a high end bike wants a 29er. The very few we have sold have been to relative noobs or people who are bi - curious.
    Really? Interesting to know for sure, as I did read somewhere else that Giant's sales of 27.5 have been more than expected and many lines are sold out this early in the year. Do you speak only for your store, or do you mean on larger scale, like regionally? Just curious about the business side of the industry too. I guess I am bi-curious then, as I am stoked to be getting a Trance 27.5. But I guess I'm just daring though, moving away from a 29er. Uh huh.
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    I only speak for my store. Nothing in our region is sold out or unattainable though. Compare that with the last two years where no shop could get any mid to high end 29er from this time of year moving forward. I had to order a large Anthem Advanced 29er frame for a customer and Giant is already out. Too many people wanted whatever 29er they could get from Giant. I had to order a complete bike just to get the frame. I'll have to try to sell the parts off separately.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Giant Chachi View Post
    Damn, can't wait to see what Giant has in store for this! 27.5 Reign Carbon? Got to be something like that! Andrew Neethling was seen testing a prototype DH bike too! Will I have buyers remorse for buying a 2014?
    That's what i expect to see as well: the comeback of the Reign as a 27.5 with around 160/170mm travel to replace the ReignX. If they make it nice and light my affair with the Trance SX might be a short one.

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    That's what i expect to see as well: the comeback of the Reign as a 27.5 with around 160/170mm travel to replace the ReignX. If they make it nice and light my affair with the Trance SX might be a short one.
    I'm not sure you'll see the comeback of the Reign, per se. If you actually look carefully, the Trance, geometry wise, is effectively a Reign.

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    Have seen the same thing going on at my LBS, just new riders/young who go for the 27.5". All xc-racers still going for 29ers. And most of the racers had the chance to do several test ride on the 27.5" bikes this fall.

    I think it will be hard for Giant to not develop a new/modified XC 29er FS till next year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cotharyus View Post
    I'm not sure you'll see the comeback of the Reign, per se. If you actually look carefully, the Trance, geometry wise, is effectively a Reign.
    I know, that's why i figure something, most likely using the Reign name, will replace the ReignX as a Super Enduro / Freeride bike with 650B wheels. Having a ReignX in your lineup makes little sense if there is no Reign.

    Other than that, there seems to be to big of a gap between the Anthem and Trance, so maybe an Anthem Sx variant with a little more travel and burlier build.

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    I test rode the Anthem 275 and it was fun, but it didn't hit me over the head as amazing or better than my Anthem 29er. I would have needed more back to back testing and a longer test ride. If anything, I think I may have noticed that the Anthem 275 had fresher newer tires. Once you factor high performance light weight wheels into the equation, I can't see 275 / 650B blowing away 29'er any time soon.

    Anyways, I await the new stuff. Next weekend there is a bicycle show here in Toronto. We don't see much new gear, mostly deals on last years stuff. I will talk with store owners about their experience with 275/650B sales. There are numerous Giant dealers in southern Ontario.
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    Yeah sure, they'll never do away with 26" on DH bikes! Sure. Again, pinkbike is imploding right now!

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    As a shop employee the 27.5 sell like hot cakes the 29ers sell bad no one has even cared enough to ask questions on the 3 full suspension 29ers we have in stock, the 29er trance handles awful. for 2015 i think that will be junked to the 1500 price and then just one nice redone anthem advance 29er for the tall 29er fanboys...also three people are planing on dumping them for the 27.5....27.5 rules!!!!

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    People jumped on the band wagon when the 27.5 came out, just like the 29er, however we will see in the long run what happens, I think most racers are moving to the 29er. I see at the local races and what I hear. I really think 29ers are hear to stay!
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    I'll go out on a limb here with something specific. You'll see a 27.5 Anthem SX - an Anthem that comes stock with a 120mm fork.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gregorysmithj1 View Post
    As a shop employee the 27.5 sell like hot cakes the 29ers sell bad no one has even cared enough to ask questions on the 3 full suspension 29ers we have in stock, the 29er trance handles awful. for 2015 i think that will be junked to the 1500 price and then just one nice redone anthem advance 29er for the tall 29er fanboys...also three people are planing on dumping them for the 27.5....27.5 rules!!!!
    LOL you calling other people fanboys, you didn't do enough to hide your own 'fanboyism' for 650B

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cotharyus View Post
    I'll go out on a limb here with something specific. You'll see a 27.5 Anthem SX - an Anthem that comes stock with a 120mm fork.
    I've been running a 120mm fork on my Anthem 29er for about a year now and love it. Fully support this idea as a factory standard.

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    I feel like they should have labelled the current Trance model as Reign's and made a 120mm framed Trance.

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    Anybody want to start an Anthem X 29'er shorter chain-stay petition? With the AnthemX 29'er chainstay at 18.2" and the Trance at 17.8"...how about a shorter more Trance like chainstay for the AnthemX 29'er? 17.8" for the AX 29? Or 17.9? 18.0? Just shorter than the 18.2" we have now. That would make the AX29'er a better bike than it already is. Forget 27.5 for a second Giant and deliver on something really useful for 29'ers.


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    Quote Originally Posted by morkys View Post
    Anybody want to start an Anthem X 29'er shorter chain-stay petition? With the AnthemX 29'er chainstay at 18.2" and the Trance at 17.8"...how about a shorter more Trance like chainstay for the AnthemX 29'er? 17.8" for the AX 29? Or 17.9? 18.0? Just shorter than the 18.2" we have now. That would make the AX29'er a better bike than it already is. Forget 27.5 for a second Giant and deliver on something really useful for 29'ers.

    + 1 on this (along with everybody else saying the same thing on this thread and everywhere else since the bike came out). As a keen mid level racer I love my anthem but it is such a barge in the tight stuff. I have out up with it happily enough but if it's still the same at upgrade time for me I might go elsewhere.

    I will be staying 29er though. Most of the racers here are either staying 29 or coming back after a 650b fling...

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    An Anthem with a shorter chainstay is certainly something I'd be interested in riding, although I don't feel like the Anthem 29er as-is quite as much of a freighter as other people feel like it is. For certain, there's this: I would like to see what would happen if Giant designed the Anthem around a 1x11 drive line. I mean dedicated. No FD mount, take it out of the equation, and design a short chain stay, sharp XC bike.

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    I think that'll be one of the biggest design changes we see across all brands in the near future. With 1x systems becoming more commonplace and mechanically reliable, more FS designs will take advantage of not having to be designed around a front derailleur.

    As far as feeling like a barge? I've never gone around a corner while riding with my friends or in the middle of a race and thought "gee, if my stays were shorter I might have gone quicker." It never happens. I actually enjoy the stability on the climbs and the descents.
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    Reign X Carbon 27.5, please! Giant would kill it with this bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silentfoe View Post
    I think that'll be one of the biggest design changes we see across all brands in the near future. With 1x systems becoming more commonplace and mechanically reliable, more FS designs will take advantage of not having to be designed around a front derailleur.

    As far as feeling like a barge? I've never gone around a corner while riding with my friends or in the middle of a race and thought "gee, if my stays were shorter I might have gone quicker." It never happens. I actually enjoy the stability on the climbs and the descents.
    Maybe you need some comparisons to enhance your perception of this. My local tracks have a number of sustained tight sections and the anthem is definately more of a handful than any of my 26 bikes (a few anthems and an asr) which would flick through these sections with ease. Heck, even my heavy old haro mary is easier through these bits (relatively short rear) by a very perceptible margin...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baz View Post
    Maybe you need some comparisons to enhance your perception of this. My local tracks have a number of sustained tight sections and the anthem is definately more of a handful than any of my 26 bikes (a few anthems and an asr) which would flick through these sections with ease. Heck, even my heavy old haro mary is easier through these bits (relatively short rear) by a very perceptible margin...
    Gee thanks. I'm really new at this whole mtbing thing.

    No kidding your 26" bikes are faster through a corner? Go figure.

    OK, now, go ride with your friends. See if it slows you down. So much that you can't keep up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silentfoe View Post
    Gee thanks. I'm really new at this whole mtbing thing.

    No kidding your 26" bikes are faster through a corner? Go figure.

    OK, now, go ride with your friends. See if it slows you down. So much that you can't keep up.
    Far out mate. No offense intended, and I certainly didn't meant to suggest you're a newbie.

    You said you have never felt the bike to be slow in tight stuff. I'm just saying that in different circumstances you might perceive differently. Had a race this arvo, 3 of us tick tacked for 3 laps. Me on anthem, 1 guy on trek 26 dually, other guy on tall boy. Tall boy guy got away in sustained tight section (couple dozen tight slow corners on flat ground, weaving between trees) on the first lap where I had held him before. On all three laps trek guy had fallen back by this point but came back at me through here. I skipped away again when track opened up. We agreed afterward this relative change in advantage seemed clear.

    Not scientific, just our experience today.

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    My Anthem 29er is noticeably less agile through the tight stuff compared to my Fisher Paragon 29er. Having said that, the Giant is still ridden far more often than the Fisher.

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    No offense taken. At all. I'm not that kind of guy. Anyway, like jkirkpatri alluded to, the Anthem has many other advantages that outweigh the loss of any tight trail agility. I've owned many bikes and I can have any bike I want. I like the Anthem the best. Now, if they made a new rear triangle for it, I'd go for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silentfoe View Post
    I think that'll be one of the biggest design changes we see across all brands in the near future. With 1x systems becoming more commonplace and mechanically reliable, more FS designs will take advantage of not having to be designed around a front derailleur.

    As far as feeling like a barge? I've never gone around a corner while riding with my friends or in the middle of a race and thought "gee, if my stays were shorter I might have gone quicker." It never happens. I actually enjoy the stability on the climbs and the descents.
    I don't believe it's all about the FD, the Atlas has a FD and 16.9 chainstays. I think mini links bikes are going to be limited by the design itself. To get a strong mounting point on the main and rear triangles, then have a link in-between them, you're only going to be able to make that so short.

    Look at the Enduro and Atlas, Carbon except the chainstay. You can't make the yoke as thin in carbon as you can in AL and maintain the same strength. The thickness of the carbon yoke will limit chainstay length as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Baz View Post
    Maybe you need some comparisons to enhance your perception of this. My local tracks have a number of sustained tight sections and the anthem is definately more of a handful than any of my 26 bikes (a few anthems and an asr) which would flick through these sections with ease. Heck, even my heavy old haro mary is easier through these bits (relatively short rear) by a very perceptible margin...
    Just depends on your 26" bikes . Mine are long and slack yours are obviously tight and twitchy.So everything is relative,wheelsize inclusive.

    My ax 29er is way too agile for my liking. I've got a 120 fork and slacked it out to 69 Degree HA.

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    Is there a good chance they will discontinue the 2015 AX29 Advance?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dictatorsaurus View Post
    Is there a good chance they will discontinue the 2015 AX29 Advance?
    Not in my opinion. A better chance they discontinue the AX29 ALUXX. But that'd still be shooting themselves in the foot, if you ask me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cotharyus View Post
    Not in my opinion. A better chance they discontinue the AX29 ALUXX. But that'd still be shooting themselves in the foot, if you ask me.
    I believe the AX29 was their best selling MTB for 2011 and 2012. Would not make sense to discontinue it.

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    Does anyone know the date (to the week or month) that Giant comes out with it's "2015" models?

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    That could put it right around the time I'll be looking to get a bike anyway...

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeDimwit View Post
    That could put it right around the time I'll be looking to get a bike anyway...
    They are usually not available until November though....

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    Echo all of that! I'd love to see a super duper light Anthem 29 to match the RS1, I can't see them ditching the Anthem. One of the winningest (well, of UK mags) bikes over the last three-four years 'bike of the year' competitions.

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    I would personally prefer more development of 29'ers like the Anthem. Shorter chainstays. Convertible rear end. Back to Rock Shox unless Fox brings back LSC adjustments on their forks. If no development then at least continued production of current quick steering anthem X29 especially the Advanced 1 and 0.

    I can't predict what they will do. I am curious to see what they do with the 27.5 stuff. I'd like to know how the sales went. I rode a 27.5 Anthem and while it was good, I then rode my 29'er and I didn't feel I preferred the 27.5 bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silentfoe View Post
    Not really but it's usually a month or so after Sea Otter IRC.
    I'm guessing Sea Otter isn't the place to see new next year model xc bikes like an AX29'er?

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    Giant in 2015? Ideas? Thoughts? Predictions?

    When do the new models typically come out? I need a discount / close out on a 2014 model.

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    Should see introductions starting in June, with availability starting in August.

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    I hope we find out sooner than later:

    1) What Giant has to say, if anything (publicly?) about 27.5 vs 29'er bike sales.
    2) AX 29er's - Carbon? Aluminum? How many models? Any changes?
    3) Shocks and forks. RS and Fox and others. Fox has moved to offer 7 position Low Speed Compression adjustments on the Trail Adjust Factory fork, but I suspect that the oem forks will be otherwise.
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    My LBS just had a week long sale and they sold out of 29er Anthems, still had lots of 27.5 Anthems left. I guess people are deciding with their wallets on which is the better bike for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giant Chachi View Post
    My only guess at this point is an all-new, 160mm travel front and rear, Reign 27.5. Tell me that wouldnít be a sweet, all-mountain machine that would instantly rival the likes of the Bronson!
    This looks so sweet. I had a split second of buyer's remorse when I saw this, but I do love my new Trance and it a perfect bike for me right now. But damn this new Reign (prototype) is sexy!

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    This looks so sweet. I had a split second of buyer's remorse when I saw this, but I do love my new Trance and it a perfect bike for me right now. But damn this new Reign (prototype) is sexy!

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    I rode a 27.5 trance for two days while my Trance 29er was in the shop. The first day the suspension wasn't setup right for my weight (didn't check it before riding), so I can't fault the bike for that. But the second day it was, so I was able to focus entirely on how much I didn't like the wheel size. I'll give it credit for being a little more maneuverable in tight switchbacks, of which there are 2 on the the trail I rode. But it was noticeably rougher and harder to ride over the rock ledges, of which there are 2 billion on the trail I rode. For me riding where I live, I love the 29er. If Giant drops them, then my next bike will have to be a different brand. On the other hand, if they make a carbon Trance 29er frame....

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