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    Anthem 29er going out, just ordered Anthem Advanced 1 27.5

    My Anthem 29 X1 is probably the most enjoyable bike I've owned, with my only "gripe" being it is a bit unwieldy in rock gardens, tight switchbacks at speed. Not bad and I'm easily able to get it through whatever I need, but it's just not as accurate in certain areas where being precise would be more fun. But it also bombs through fast downhill and rough stuff like nothing I've ridden. I'm 5'5" and don't feel that the small frame is too big, it just doesn't flick as quick as I'd like once those big wheels are turning fast.

    So after reading about the 27.5 Anthem decided to pull the trigger. It'll be an interesting experiment and sure there'll be pros and cons. the spec of the Advanced 1 is almost identical to what I have on my 29er X1 so looking forward to getting my own seat of the pants comparison.

    The only change I'm making is switching to 3x10 and converting to tubeless before I get the bike. I'll probably also transfer over my lighter bars and stem/seat from the X1 and expecting it to be a bit lighter if not the same as the X1. the crests on my x1 are lighter than the 27.5 wheels so should even out.

    Will update once I get some miles in to add to the 27.5 v 29 debate that will probably never end


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    I look forward to hearing about the change after you have ridden it a while.
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    Why convert to 3x10? The XT crank on the anthem advanced 27.5 1 has a 64mm bolt circle for the small ring. You can put a 24T or even a 22T chainring on the front (specs say it comes with 26/38). My 2014 Trance 27.5 1 came with a 24/38 XT crank, and I put a 22T XT $20 chainring on it. Shifts up to the 38 ring with no issues. So I have all the usable gears as the 3x10 on my 2011 Anthem X 29er 2 (have a 22T on that too) with the ice touch of only worrying about 2 front rings. The 2x10 crank is lighter and you won't have to change your front derailleur either. Just something to think about!

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    At the end I meant to say you wouldn't have to mess with your 2x10 left shifter or change any limit screw settings on the front derailleur if you just swap out the small chainring

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whitedog View Post
    At the end I meant to say you wouldn't have to mess with your 2x10 left shifter or change any limit screw settings on the front derailleur if you just swap out the small chainring
    For the trails we do, having the 24 or 22 is really a necessity if you don't want to be carrying your bike. On the flipside we generally ride from our house to the trail which is a few miles at least of road riding and having the bigger gear is nice. And we have some long fast downhills that I am using all I've got on the big ring. Not critical but fun to have that extra speed just the same.

    But it is news to me that you can run that small on the 2x10...didn't think that could be done and worth considering. My lbs is looking for the 3x10 in black, and if that is a problem may just have them throw the 24 on there and see how it goes.(I was running 22 on my Anthem but thinking the smaller wheels might offset that need)

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    I went from a 11-34 cass with 22/32/42 chainring on my 26 (15.5 gear inches)

    to a 11-36 case with a 26/38 on my Anthem 27.5 (17.5 gear inches)

    I have always been a spinner and worried about the loss of the stump puller but it has been okay so far.

    As for top end, my ride ends with a 200 yard paved moderate down which I sprint (I may hit 30-35), make a left and then sprint the last 100 yards on flat slight uphill. It's fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark16q View Post
    My Anthem 29 X1 is probably the most enjoyable bike I've owned, with my only "gripe" being it is a bit unwieldy in rock gardens, tight switchbacks at speed.
    2011 Anthem X 29 2 here. Same complaint. Tight switchbacks are tough. Love the bike in every other aspect that I forgive it. And I have a 6" AM bike for the super tech, so I only expect the Anthem to perform on XC stuff.

    Glad to see I'm not weird and that there are other's who feel the same way as I do about the rear chainstays.

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    Decided to go with the 2x10 and drop to a 24. And will hang onto the 26 too and might try that. Though my legs have the strength to pull the harder gears, knee and back problems will flare up if I push it. And staying with the 2x10 means I get my bike sooner . Also decided to pop for a set of Crests. Not a big weight difference, love them on the 29r, they have them in stock and it saves me the cost of going tubeless on the stock wheels.

    Bike should be ready tomorrow and hope to hit the trails good and hard this weekend. A buddy is getting the same bike as mine (his is ready today) and he's coming off a SC Blur. Going to be fun comparing notes and seeing how we both ride on them We're pretty close climbing and descending and guessing with being on the same bike we'll be even closer.
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    I grew up in the motocross world and have always liked to steer with the back wheel. I found the best way to make the 29r work well in tight switchbacks was running a fairly low traction tire (small block 8). This let me flick the rear end fairly easily and was kind of fun riding that way. Not the fastest way to do things, but was like riding my bmx bike back in the old days sliding around turns. I'm not familiar with the tires that the 27.5 comes with, but they seem to get decent ratings. Maybe I'll be able to run something with a bit more grip and still get the thing to go around turns quickly.

    Quote Originally Posted by hokiebrett View Post
    2011 Anthem X 29 2 here. Same complaint. Tight switchbacks are tough. Love the bike in every other aspect that I forgive it. And I have a 6" AM bike for the super tech, so I only expect the Anthem to perform on XC stuff.

    Glad to see I'm not weird and that there are other's who feel the same way as I do about the rear chainstays.
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    Just picked her up tonight. Kept gearing the same for now, and threw on Stans Crest wheels, setup with the Racing Ralph's tubeless. The bike actually came out of the box with Crossmarks, but they swapped them for some new bike takeoff Ralph's. Very cool of them imo.

    On the scale 24.50 with 970 pedals, so thinking with stock wheels probably 1/4 pound more. The stock wheels feel pretty light actually and will throw those on the scale soon.

    Once home, put on my Easton EC70 flatbars, Thomson masterpiece seatpost and Spec toupe seat and now 23.9 including bell . Stem is too short for my Garmin but will probably put it on the bars.

    Just goofing around on the street, feels light and small compared to my old bike though not really much lighter. The only obvious difference is how easy it is to wheelie compared to the 29r. Maiden voyage out in Chesebro tomorrow with my buddy that just bought the same bike, so hope I can sleep tomorrow.

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    Your right near my hood, mostly ride Lang Ranch, Wood Ranch, near Bell cyn, back side of Chesebro...good riding..have fun on the new bike!

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    My riding areas also!
    Mg, let us know which Chesebro trails you try the bike on and your thoughts on it vs the AX29er. Also, what bike shop did you get your bike from?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whitedog View Post
    My riding areas also!
    Mg, let us know which Chesebro trails you try the bike on and your thoughts on it vs the AX29er. Also, what bike shop did you get your bike from?
    Short ride tomorrow,probably up sulphur springs and down cow bones. I live minutes from the parking lot so almost every week out there and will cover everything. The 29r handled the chopped up hardpack so much better than my 26r so will be an interesting "regression" that will hopefully leave me smiling.

    Shout out to Newbury Park bike shop for a great deal and great service!
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    Good to see both of you guys are out here, I think I will be at Wood Ranch and Long Ranch this Sunday...should be there at 800am. Sunday, if you want to ride I will be there, look for the Anthem 29er in the parking lot!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark16q View Post
    Shout out to Newbury Park bike shop for a great deal and great service!
    Yep, that's where I got my Trance 27.5 1

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    First ride yesterday, up the middle of Chesebro and impression within minutes is that the Racing Ralph's and Chesebro do not mix. Skating all over the hardback and couldn't hold a line on anything (maybe 30 psi back, a couple less front). But even with that, the bike climbs beautifully and made it through a couple of technical sections without a problem.

    Did I mention I don't like the tires? Descending cow bones got off line, hit a bush wrong that basically launched me 30 feet down the trail. Grateful I didn't break my neck, very cut up, and separated my shoulder. Not a good start on a new bike, scratched the crap out of the top tube where the lever hit but otherwise bike appears o.k.

    The crash was just one of those things, the bike was doing just fine. User error due to mis-judging my speed and ability to get out of harms way. Just had no traction, but I already knew that and should've slowed down. Oh well.....as soon as I can use my shoulder again will change the tires and try things again.

    Was running an Ikon front and small block 8 on the 29r which worked great in our hardpack/dust conditions so will probably go back to that. Any recommendations from the local guys?


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    New bikes and different tyres need a conservative rider for a few days....

    Check the racing Ralph's - I wouldn't be at all surprised if they are the " performance" version which tends to mean rock hard and no grip - especially given they are take offs ( schwalbe do loads of their crap performance range as oem)

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    Same tires that you have, ride the same trails no problem...with your mx background kinda suprised. I run 35lbs with tubes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madman43 View Post
    Same tires that you have, ride the same trails no problem...with your mx background kinda suprised. I run 35lbs with tubes.
    From what I've read, expected greatness.

    My buddy on the same bike had the same feeling I did. Bike was all over the place. Never felt planted on the hard stuff. I'd started closer to 35 psi and quickly dropped down.

    The tire is whatever model Giant specs for the bike, same as my friends. Will check to see if the performance model, not inclined to give them another chance.

    The real frustration to me is that I knew the tires weren't making me happy so I did slow down a bit. So I was off my normal full speed line and got in trouble. Had I just done my usual, probably would've avoided. could've, would've should've...all I thought about last night trying to find a comfortable position to sleep.....
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    Its a new bike, got to get used to it and make adjustments, example new bikes come with a stack of washers under your stem, makes the bike handle funny sometimes, most peps will take a few off to give the front end more traction by putting more pressure on the front tire when turning, take you time make adjustments...just like when you rode dirt bikes, got to adjust the bars, suspension ect.

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    [QUOTE=Mark16q;10958912
    Was running an Ikon front and small block 8 on the 29r which worked great in our hardpack/dust conditions so will probably go back to that. Any recommendations from the local guys?

    For now, happy to be alive and walking (pumped up on Advil)

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    You'll find the lack of traction due to down sizing wheel size.In the same wheel size. Ra Ra 2.25 has much more cornering traction than either Ikon or SB8. I run the ikon as a rear 29er tire and something like a xking 2.2 or Ra Ra 2.25 up front in comparison. Take a close look at the tread design, you'll see that compared to the other two Ra Ra actually has a good edge once you get on it and is wider.

    Just one of those things yopu going to have to consider when downsizing wheels. Now your going to need haevier beefier tires so you handling is going to slow down and get closer to the Ax if it was running the Ra Ra.

    I run all 3 wheel sizes. I can run 2.2's in 29er and have to up size to 2.4's in 26". In 27.5 I can get buy with a good 2.25 like a HD but it's generally closer to a 2.35 that does the majority of my trail conditions.

    It's hard to recommend a 27.5 tire for you. Tire choice is very subjective.
    I actually like the cheaper No Ni performance 2.35 as a general loose over hard tire. The Evo snakeskin is slower and the edge tread is too soft for the tread design. The performance has a firmer edge that bites well.Wears better to and much cheaper. Theyr'e a dual compound quality tire. NOT TLR but anything can be set up tubeless with abit of extra tape. What did we ever do before TLR came along.

    I used to like the Neo 2.1 as a step up from the No Ni[it's actually the same size even though it's a 2.1] Slower though.

    You may want to try the Ro Ro but if your having trouble with the ra Ra you may also struggle with the Ro Ro even though it has better shoulder but less edge grip.

    Xking 2.4 is a step up from the Ro Ro in traction, slower[ the Ro Ro is very very fast] but faster than the No Ni. Traction is in between the No Ni performance and the Ro Ro. take a look at a Ro Ro and a X king you'll see the tread is all most identical. The xking edge tread is slightly closer spaced and the xking 2.4 is only slightly wider and taller. The xking 2.4 is a narrow 2.4 and the Ro Ro punches above it's race only spec.The slightly taller wider spaced shoulder tread works better than the Ra Ra on loose over hard . But I wouldn't rate it much if any above the Ra Ra in hard pack loamy conditions. I'd keep the ra Ra on the rear till it wears out anyway.

    What pressures are you running. That soft pliant casing has got to be allowed to conform and grip. Start by dividing your weight by 7 and then let some more out till you feel them squirm then add a psi or two. You should now be at optimum tire pressure for cornering traction. you'll also find that is the pressure you just avoid snakebites and or burping if your running tubeless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madman43 View Post
    Its a new bike, got to get used to it and make adjustments, example new bikes come with a stack of washers under your stem, makes the bike handle funny sometimes, most peps will take a few off to give the front end more traction by putting more pressure on the front tire when turning, take you time make adjustments...just like when you rode dirt bikes, got to adjust the bars, suspension ect.

    Learn live ride hard and take advil!
    First thing I did when I brought the bike home was drop stem and put on my old bars, exact same setup as before. Pretty much every measurement was within mm's of the old bike, and the new bike felt great position wise and overall handling. Guess I'm just used to the lower profile tires that are a lot less squirmy. they slide but they are more predicable than what I felt yesterday.

    And putting the tire issue aside, crashes happen. We all ride hard, and sometimes it just bites us in the ass. Like I'd said, happy to be walking, pumping Advil and will be back sooner than I probably should be

    And though agreed the 27.5 isn't going to hold the same as the 29, my buddy was coming off a 26 with pretty much bald tires and felt like he was all over the place.
    The small knobs on the hardpack just didn't seem to be grabbing in at all.
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    That is correct, 29ers do track better. sounds like you getting it dialed .

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    Heavier tire with more tread will make it track closer to a 29er.

    I can get all three wheel sizes tracking very similar just depends on geo and tire choice.

    There's too many variables to define the ride qualities of a bike by wheel size alone.

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    Sounds like a really nice bike and setup. At 5'5" and I'm guessing weight around a buck fifty, it seems your pressures are high for tubeless. I weigh 240 geared with tubes and run those same pressures. Rarely pinch. My guess is dropping them to just above the squishy threshold should help with bite.

    And my god, sub 24 with FS?? It would be so nice! My '10 XXL Stumpy FSR weighs 9 lbs more.

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    Anthem 29er going out, just ordered Anthem Advanced 1 27.5

    I've never felt comfortable or in control on Ralph's. I have a pair of IKONs on my Anthem and I've never had issues. Very predictable
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    I don't agree at all that wheel size manifestly effects grip. Wheel size effects height of front versus seat and hence COG, which effects the split of grip front to rear, but equal psi gives equal contact patch - slightly different shape, but no change in size. The physics of grip really don't back up wheel suez as having significant effects.

    Having said that, different tyres react differently to pressure depending on deformation of the sidewall and how the knobs are designed - 4psi can make the world of difference

    I've got a few bikes and not riding them for a period radically changes my confidence and speed on them - I was recently off my race bike for 12 weeks and when returning I was like a gumby for the first few rides

    Sorry to hear of the stack though

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    I'm not talking climbing traction.The larger the wheel the shape of the the contact patch is longer .When your on the edges that's what matters.Like i say i ride all three wheel sizes and there is a significant difference in cornering traction and dynamic stabilty between the three sizes..Those who skipped the 26" generation may not take that in to consideration when thinking about down sizing .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lefty2341 View Post
    I've never felt comfortable or in control on Ralph's. I have a pair of IKONs on my Anthem and I've never had issues. Very predictable
    The new or old generation Ra Ra? That's why tires are so subjective and trail specific. Ra Ra are a slide and grip tire. Once you get them on the edges they are pretty good for a xc tire. On the other hand i find Ikons run out of edge earlier even though they may feel more secure at modearte lean angles. I actully rate Crossmarks as a better cornering tire even though they are narrower. They have a better edge tread. Ikons don't really have one but rely on shoulder grip like the Ro Ro. The new ra ra are much better than the last generation.

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    Anthem 29er going out, just ordered Anthem Advanced 1 27.5

    Quote Originally Posted by gvs_nz View Post
    The new or old generation Ra Ra? That's why tires are so subjective and trail specific. Ra Ra are a slide and grip tire. Once you get them on the edges they are pretty good for a xc tire. On the other hand i find Ikons run out of edge earlier even though they may feel more secure at modearte lean angles. I actully rate Crossmarks as a better cornering tire even though they are narrower. They have a better edge tread. Ikons don't really have one but rely on shoulder grip like the Ro Ro. The new ra ra are much better than the last generation.
    They were the new generation. The best way I could describe it was they had too much "float" while cornering. Basically too much space between the inside tread and the outside knobs. I just couldn't sense how connected I was and it wasn't too confidence inspiring.
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    Looking forward to more of this comparison-when you heal up, that is. I've gone all 29er but the 27.5 intrigues. Anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lefty2341 View Post
    They were the new generation. The best way I could describe it was they had too much "float" while cornering. Basically too much space between the inside tread and the outside knobs. I just couldn't sense how connected I was and it wasn't too confidence inspiring.
    I had that feeling with the 2.35's but not the 2.25's.In 29er i don't rate the 2.35's. The 2.25's get on the edge earlier and IMHO handle better. very little extra cush from the larger casing and quite abit slower. From memory the 2.25 Ra Ra were a highlight of the review when The Ax 29er was runner up in a UK trail bke of the year award. Different terrain I guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lefty2341 View Post
    They were the new generation. The best way I could describe it was they had too much "float" while cornering. Basically too much space between the inside tread and the outside knobs. I just couldn't sense how connected I was and it wasn't too confidence inspiring.
    Took a bunch of Advil, was feeling a little better, and decided to get back on the horse today. Back in Chesebro committed to just riding, having fun and coming back in one piece. Hard to wheelie with hacked shoulder, but otherwise felt very in control.

    Changes to bike since first ride...rear shock up to 150, my body weight. Had it around 140. Fork pressure down to 70 from 75. Tires just over 30 psi. The change in shock/fork pressures had a drastic impact on the balance of the bike. Front end felt way more planted and predictable and the higher shock pressure allowed me to ride my style and kept the bike tracking well.

    I still feel that the Ra ra on our current conditions just isn't a great match. The quote above exactly describes how I feel on these tires. The tires that stick well and are predictable out here now have shallow knobs, more like the crossmark or small block 8. The ra ra felt great in loose stuff but not confidence inspiring on our baked clay with a fine layer of dust. I'm tempted to try a set of crossmarks, but they seem pretty narrow so may hold off on that until I've got a few more miles.

    But this isn't about tires and I think that the setup today worked as well as could be hoped with this tire setup. So more about the bike. What can you say about a bike that is stiff and under 24 pounds climbing. Just amazing really, and when in climb mode it's like climbing on a road bike. I just kept shifting up gears expecting my legs to bog, but it kept accelerating. When in trail mode, also a beautiful climber and definitely a smoother ride. You pedal hard and it goes. Very impressive on the hills.

    The suspension works beautifully and very controlled over rough stuff. Kept expecting some bouncing or other bad feedback with the smaller wheels and it just sucked it up and kept the bike straight ahead. The compression damping in trail mode is compliant enough to suck up the high speed stuff and doesn't rebound too quickly, so no bounce and lots of confidence at speed. Once I was able to get on the large side blocks of the tires, cornered very well and quick compared to my 29r. This is what I was hoping for and look forward to exploring the limits here once I heal up.

    Climbing is better on the 27.5. My 29r is only a pound heavier, but the difference in getting the smaller wheels spinning is noticeable to me going up switchbacks or tight technical climbs. Coming out of corners much more quickly on climbs. Descending, on fast hills my 29r couldn't be stopped and powered through everything. Clearly, I got lazy riding that thing and once I started actively flicking the 27.5 around today it responded in a way the 29r just didn't. Changing lines much easier on the smaller wheels at high speed, and you'd better be paying attention cuz this thing will turn. On high speed chatter the 29 wheels are smoother. Not surprised about that.... the bigger wheels will always handle that crap better.

    For riders that want a safe and stable platform that will get them through the rough stuff cleanly, I think the 29r makes a lot of sense. Very fun to ride, and very forgiving when things get tricky. But if you want to get more involved in the ride the 27.5 is more fun. the 27.5 feels more like a bmx bike, while the 29r has more of a stable road bike feel. At least with the Anthem, and I'm sure other brands have different traits.

    And as my buddy got the exact same bike coming off a Santa Cruz blur, he's ecstatic about the bike. Coming off a 26" he describes what I felt like when I went to the 29 yet feels like the Giant is more maneuverable and fun than his Blur. No negatives at all for him, and he too still doesn't love the tires but is adjusting.

    Enough for only two rides, but the terrain I'm on I've probably ridden 1000 times over the years, so difference in bikes are easy to spot when you know every bump and dip. This bike is lots of fun, and hopefully I can find some touchup paint to lessen the little reminder on my top tube of my first ride.

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    Sounds like your on track.I'm still dialing in some bikes after a year. I keep my Meta 5[ 650b front] for the same reasons . Too much fun on the right terrain.

    I surprised the Ra Ra doesn't like the baked clay. i would have thought it would get out of it's depth as the dust layer increases not decreases. A more open taller tread like the X king is better then.Usually it's tires with more tread than the Ra Ra that squirm on hardpack. It amost sounds like it's the soft compound on the edes your not used to, especially with the higher pressures you seem to run???

    It may be worth experimenting with pressure more.You may also need a bit of conditioning to tire squirm? Unless you've got rocky terrain or an inaccurate tire pressure gauge you should be able to go lower yet. Let the casing conform more and add to the traction.

    I don't have rocky terrain , a few traverses I tackle at speed, but plenty of tree roots. i'm 160 lbs and I can run down to 18 psi tubeless[ digital hand held gauge]and 16 psi tubed on the front[ about 21 to 23 on the rear]. Adds a huge amount to the front tire traction and smooths out the ride. If you've only got 100mm of travel and a smaller wheel the right tire pressure can take quite a bit of sting out of the ride.

    Experiment and do a few timed laps.Once you get used to the feel of the tires, I'd be surprised if you didn't see an increase in cornering confidence and lap times come down.

    If your not confident going that low go back to tubes. Tubeless is overated unless you have thorns to contend with.

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    Whether on 26 or 29, tires with small knobs have been squirrely on our hardpack clay with a thin layer of dust. Many of the faster riders in the area have found the most stable ride to be the lower knob higher contact tires. Less squirm and more solid footing. Though these don't work great in deeper stuff, here in Socal we don't have a lot of deep dirt, especially now without rains. We need some rain badly.

    On my 29r, running much below 30 psi gave a very unstable feel but it could've been the light sidewalls. No harm in trying the Ra ra's at a lower pressure but judging by how light that tire is, thinking it won't be terribly stable at low psi.On the climbs out here, running 30 or higher is a big advantage, so it's all about finding a good trade-off.

    Now if I could just find a way to stop working and try stuff every day
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    Regarding tires, for what it's worth, I hated the stock nobby Nics on my Trance 27.5 1 (felt squirmy and didnt give me any confidence) and switched out to Kenda Slant Six (which I run on my 29ers) and really like the way they work.

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    Glad you getting your bike set up, that is the trick on a new bike before your hauling ass. went out yesterday. little dry out there, however the 29er was hooking up hardcore, beat my time by 10 min on the bell cyn loop , reminds me of the good old dirt bike day at the Dunes! sandy and loose!

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    Went for a spin the other day with a friend going up Powerlines, just wanted to spin that day and stay in the back.Anthem 29er going out, just ordered Anthem Advanced 1 27.5-uphill-hammer.jpg
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    NIce of you to hang back and make sure everyone made it up o.k. Really took one for the team there Wish I could've helped!
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    Anthem 29er going out, just ordered Anthem Advanced 1 27.5

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark16q View Post
    Whether on 26 or 29, tires with small knobs have been squirrely on our hardpack clay with a thin layer of dust. Many of the faster riders in the area have found the most stable ride to be the lower knob higher contact tires. Less squirm and more solid footing. Though these don't work great in deeper stuff, here in Socal we don't have a lot of deep dirt, especially now without rains. We need some rain badly.

    On my 29r, running much below 30 psi gave a very unstable feel but it could've been the light sidewalls. No harm in trying the Ra ra's at a lower pressure but judging by how light that tire is, thinking it won't be terribly stable at low psi.On the climbs out here, running 30 or higher is a big advantage, so it's all about finding a good trade-off.

    Now if I could just find a way to stop working and try stuff every day
    You won't find any difference in feel of the tire going from 29 to 27.5. Sounds like most of your trailss are very groomed and hard. I ride some very hard pack trails to and have no prob with aRa Ra. Like i say it may be more a mind set with squirm for some people.There's still not a full compliment of 27.5 tires out there yet so you may have to compromise at the moment. Ikon has samller tread than the Ra Ra you'll find it's the total area in contact to support the relative knob size that is ctitical. Sounds like you like more jump park type tire. Till an Ikon comes out. Geax saguaro may be worth a try. Small stiff knobs and wears extremely well. The performance version of the Ra Ra has a stiffer better wearing tread, something which IMHO makes the Performance No Ni much better than the evo. The Neo 2.1 has a stiff tread even though it's tread is taller than the Ra Ra. IMHO the harder compound slips more on hard pack than the Ra Ra.

    It still may be worth experimenting with lower pressure. squirm can be a mind set. Like you say it's finding the right balance.Top xc riders will be using lower pressures than you so climbing with lower pressure is not a prob. May even benefit with more tarction. Some of the top riders even glue one of the beads on the rims to allow them to go low without burping. Hence one of the reasons to use tubulars on world cup /olympic courses .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whitedog View Post
    Regarding tires, for what it's worth, I hated the stock nobby Nics on my Trance 27.5 1 (felt squirmy and didnt give me any confidence) and switched out to Kenda Slant Six (which I run on my 29ers) and really like the way they work.
    I don't like the Evo No Ni ether. I swapped out to the cheaper Performance No Ni and the firmer tread is way better on hard pack trails. I like the new Geax Goma for hard pack trails . Soft low wide tread really hooks up well . Quick and wears well. The 2.25 is huge.

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    I did invite you to come along, maybe next time you take take the rear. wait I meant you shall trail behind, wait, I mean just hang back....lol
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    I agree with you when it comes down to air pressure and so on, I really feel that some area's no matter what your running in tire pressure you have to turn and ride like your on ice, it's also about control and being easy on the bike. float like a butterfly and sting like a bee!
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    On AA1, with RR. I have seen some bikes come out of the box with crossmarks too.

    I am 5'10" 170 and running the RR tubeless at 23-25psi rear and 20-23 front.

    I have yet to find the perfect suspension settings, but I'm close.

    I have found the rear to be a little sketchy on hard pack with loose stuff on top. But on true hard pack I have no issues.

    I also find the rear a little harsh on smaller bumps however, its really good on bigger hits.

    So far I am not a fan of the FIT fork. I'm hoping it will "break" in, but it feels like it has too much oil in it. Just very firm feeling and it sticks a little. I'm running 70psi and and have even ran it as low as 60 psi.

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    What pressure are you running in the shock? I wouldn't disagree with your overall impression of the shock and fork, and I found on my 29r it took awhile for the forks particularly to smooth out and become more compliant. Wish they had more compression adjustments though, as would like something between T and D. I did find some oil (can't remember name) that is just to lube up the seals and stanchions....definitely got rid of a lot of the stiction and actually had to add more air. Usually lasted a couple of rides at least.

    Guess I need to go way softer on the tires and see how it goes, but shoulder is starting to hurt pretty bad and guess my Sunday ride may've been a bit premature. Crap....

    But on an up note, I found some Pep Boys touchup paint that's a decent match and the big scratch is almost gone. A bit more work and that reminder will be no more.
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    On AA1, with RR. I have seen some bikes come out of the box with crossmarks too.

    I am 5'10" 170 and running the RR tubeless at 23-25psi rear and 20-23 front.

    I have yet to find the perfect suspension settings, but I'm close.

    I have found the rear to be a little sketchy on hard pack with loose stuff on top. But on true hard pack I have no issues.

    I also find the rear a little harsh on smaller bumps however, its really good on bigger hits.

    So far I am not a fan of the FIT fork. I'm hoping it will "break" in, but it feels like it has too much oil in it. Just very firm feeling and it sticks a little. I'm running 70psi and and have even ran it as low as 60 psi.
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    I'm currently running. 65psi front and 160 rear.

    My original setup on first ride was 70 front and 170 rear, both rebounds set in the middle. I thought it was really close to ideal that day. The one thing that really bothered me was the poor small bump compliance. It felt like I may as well been on my 29er hard tail. So I went lower and lower and then had to speed up the rebound because it got harsh.

    I am starting to think the rear end sketchy feeling might be the rear tire. But the harshness is definitely the shock no 2 ways about it. I really couldn't justify the AA0, but I'm starting to wish I had just to give the RS a try. I'm also thinking about trying to find an RP2 and giving that a try.

    Its been a while since I had my 26er anthem, but I found that bike to be almost as perfect as it could get from comfort, small/big compliance and pedaling efficiency. I thought the 26er was more "plush" and a little less efficient. It took me a good while to find my settings on this bike from what I remember, so I am being patient with the new bike.

    The 275 platform is amazingly efficient. I stay in trail in the rear most of the time, but I am starting to think about upping the rear pressure and staying the open mode. Its worth a try I guess. Hoping to get out today for a quick spin.

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    While I'm here I will share a few other thoughts.

    I am on the record here not being happy about the GEO numbers without ever riding the bike. I definitely lean towards a steep HTA than most on these forums, however, I will say the ridiculously slack 69.5 HTA does not hinder the steering and I am doing some pretty steep sharp switch backs, both up and down.

    To be honest the first couple of rides it was slightly more difficult than my SJ 29er HT., but I will chalk that up to a new bike and learning it. Now I see my 2 bikes equal in tight situations. However, I feel more stable on the downs with my HT and I am running that ridged right now.

    Now for the part of the Geo I am just finding weird and its not just for me. STA.

    My wife is on an LA2 and we both are in the same situation. We were store "fit" on the bikes and I know enough to be dangerous, But my fore aft is in the prototypical KOPS position. In order for us both to be in that poison the saddle is slammed all the way forward. Not just for me, but both of us. Its only weird to me because almost every other bike I have ridden its been the opposite. The saddle being pushed all the way to the rear. As an example on my SJ I have a Thompson setback post and the saddle is all the way back.

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    I noticed the same thing and have my saddle fairly far forward on my aluminum 3 model. I upgraded to a Thomson 410mm seat post after finding I was coming 2mm shy of the minimum insertion line on the stock post(to give a reference as to how much seat post I have showing on this bike). With how the shaping of the seat tube is where the upper part of the tube is at a slacker angle than what the mathematical STA is, it's pushed my saddle farther back than it would on bikes with the same STA but a seat tube that follows that angle. My saddle isn't completely forward on the post yet so i'm not too concerned, but it definitely adds a speed bump to finding the perfect position.

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    Odd about the saddle being all the way forward. I went to the thomson masterpiece bent post to get further back with the right positioning. Sounds like you know about setup, so odd that you're both off that much. Maybe a short stem? The geo on my 275 and 29 both line up pretty well with my prior 26 Trek Fuel Ex, pretty typical stuff.

    Regarding the small bump compliance, I chalked that difference up to the smaller wheels but agree that neigher end is silky smooth. But going to my weight on the shock made worlds of difference as too much sag apparently sucked up that small bump compliance travel. The forks are a bit sticky and will try my magic lube next ride. Overall though they are pretty responsive, and excellent on the big stuff.
    Quote Originally Posted by heythorp View Post
    While I'm here I will share a few other thoughts.

    I am on the record here not being happy about the GEO numbers without ever riding the bike. I definitely lean towards a steep HTA than most on these forums, however, I will say the ridiculously slack 69.5 HTA does not hinder the steering and I am doing some pretty steep sharp switch backs, both up and down.

    To be honest the first couple of rides it was slightly more difficult than my SJ 29er HT., but I will chalk that up to a new bike and learning it. Now I see my 2 bikes equal in tight situations. However, I feel more stable on the downs with my HT and I am running that ridged right now.

    Now for the part of the Geo I am just finding weird and its not just for me. STA.

    My wife is on an LA2 and we both are in the same situation. We were store "fit" on the bikes and I know enough to be dangerous, But my fore aft is in the prototypical KOPS position. In order for us both to be in that poison the saddle is slammed all the way forward. Not just for me, but both of us. Its only weird to me because almost every other bike I have ridden its been the opposite. The saddle being pushed all the way to the rear. As an example on my SJ I have a Thompson setback post and the saddle is all the way back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by heythorp View Post
    I'm currently running. 65psi front and 160 rear.


    I am starting to think the rear end sketchy feeling might be the rear tire. But the harshness is definitely the shock no 2 ways about it. I really couldn't justify the AA0, but I'm starting to wish I had just to give the RS a try. I'm also thinking about trying to find an RP2 and giving that a try.

    Its been a while since I had my 26er anthem, but I found that bike to be almost as perfect as it could get from comfort, small/big compliance and pedaling efficiency. I thought the 26er was more "plush" and a little less efficient. It took me a good while to find my settings on this bike from what I remember, so I am being patient with the new bike.

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    I'd stay clear of the boost valve RP2.Maybe an old preboost valve one would be fine. What shock are you running now? If it's a CTD performance it would be a step backwards. Boost valve shocks are very active[ much more than pre boost valve] full open so are designed for the CTD adjust or RP23 propedal adjustable platform. Just having full open and then virtually locked out really sucks. Got to have somewhere in between and frankly anything but a adjustable propedal on these shocks doesn't cut it unless the factory trail setting is spot on for that frame and your riding style.
    The RT3 is always a good option. Less active full open and the adjutable platform works well. I find that i have to run them with slightly more sag than Fox rear shocks as they tend to be a bit choppy out of the saddle otherwise. I really like them if you want an efficient climbing shock and smooth on the saddle .

    You'll find the giant xc family suspension design is fairly simialr. Except some boost valve tunes need a lot more air pressure than pre boost valve shocks. Your Ax suspension had more antisquat than the 275 ax but otherwise thery are very similar. Shocks and their tune can make a huge difference and that's probably what your finding.

    I use my Ax 29er as a Endurance racing bike and a trail bike these days so I run about 12 to 13mm sag. If you set up with lots of sag in D then flick to trail mode for general riding it allows you to use all your travel more often.. So it's efficient climbing and accelerating but will blow through on seated g outs to give you more seated comfort. I'm 160 lbs and use about 145 psi. trail riding i just ride wide open Endurance racing I run propedal 2, and may go up to 150 psi depending on the course. With a RT3 I run 140 psi open on the trail and 145 and mid platform racing.

    If i've only got 100mm of travel I want to use it all. So my settings may be softer than average but I also have long travel enduro bikes, Coming from a hardtail your probably on the firmer side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark16q View Post
    Guess I need to go way softer on the tires and see how it goes, but shoulder is starting to hurt pretty bad and guess my Sunday ride may've been a bit premature. Crap....

    .
    If you haven't already got an accurate tire pressure gauge. , i'd get one first. You may already be running lower pressure?As you go lower each psi is a higher percentile change, so you have to be pretty accurate. Just going from my hand held mechanical to some hand held digital gauge gave 7 psi difference.

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    Just got back from a 20 mile ride. I ran the front at 65psi and rear at 175 (highest yet) Front tire 20psi and rear 22.

    This is by far the best set up yet. I ran almost the whole ride in D mode. T mode was jus too firm for real trail riding.

    The loop is about 2500 feet of climbing with mixed terrain, with very little true skill sections, but plenty of ups and downs on different trails with different features.

    I should preface this by saying my goal is to find one setting to do all of my riding in ( for the rear shock). I believe its possible as it was on my 26er anthem. I was hoping to do this in T mode, however I'm not sure this is possible, as I just find trail riding to be too firm at 175psi or too little small bump compliance at 170psi.

    The Good: Most plush ride yet. I was definitely under pressured to get small bump compliance. There was not enough rebound adjustment for the low pressures I was running. It was really nice riding with what felt like (most of the time) really good suspension. It was just sucking up the bumps.

    Climbing out of the saddle was more than expected in the D mode. It provided better traction that T mode at this pressure both standing and sitting. It was definitely moving move than I would like, but next ride I will go up to 180pis and see what I get. The climbing wasn't all good though (more below) But it was almost mostly good.

    The bad: It got bouncy at times. I tried to adjust the rebound a few times, but I really didn't feel a difference.

    Climbing could get bouncy at times too. When sitting under really hard efforts, you know the super steep stuff that has your cadence at like 7 and your rocking just to keep going. That rocking movement gets accentuated.


    Front Fork:
    Wow what a world of difference after oiling the stations and around the caps. Its not prefect but what a huge difference. So much smoother. 65psi is under pressured as well, but it was better than 70psi without the oil. I will clean re oil and go back to 70 psi next ride or even perhaps jump to 75psi. I really hope this fork breaks in, other wise to me its a complete failure and I am a fox guy.

    The bike still feels sketchy as shit. As someone said there are times it feels like your on ice. I just don't get it. I can't think of another bike I can ever say this about. Is it the tires? I don't know, but its a serious issue. 99% of the time is behaves as you expect and then, oh boy am I going to make this slow down, foot out, few got it.

    I have laid the bike down once and the front wheel was there one second and next second it was gone. Trail was hard pack with a couple of leaves. I was actually sitting up stretching my back before a climb and wham on the ground.

    I chalked it up to the front fork being locked out and not paying attention, but if you saw where I went down you would just shake your head.

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    On some of my earlier Fox forks I used to use a small flat balde screw driver and price off the seals and lube the foam rings every 20 hrs or so. I used to use torco mpz engine assembly lube as it's really slippery and doesn't get washed away by the fork fluid as aesy as thinner oil. Gearbox or diff oil would be 2nd best. Be carefull to prtect your staunchions in case you slip with the screwdriver. wrap them with arag or tape. You can also try another method where you lift off the seal lip tension springs then slip a small zip tie inside the lip to llow you to get a syringe or oil can nozzle down past the seal. Not as precise but quicker.
    May also pay to drop the lowers and check you have plenty of bath oil from the factory[ not uncommon]

    Have you tried lower pressure in the shock and T setting as opposed to higher pressure and D. There's few variables to get a set and forget ride. I worry more about usiing all my travel rather than small bump compliance. Lower pressure and T or propedal 1 or 2 allows me a set and forget posn where i can achieve almost all my travel without sacrificing pedalling efficiency. I believe this is how Giant designed the 11 AX 29er supension with the low tune RP23 to work?Unfortuantely that only works properly with adjustable Trail which you don't have. Sounds like it may be too high as a factory setting.?

    Have you tried the fork in descend mode only and adding some air pressure. Even better is to add oil to the top of the piston to make it more progressive in D mode. Once again you don't have trail adjust which once again Fox designed the fork around. Any thing else compromises the design. The 100mm fork doesn't dive all that much so doesn't realy need much if any lo sped compression. My 11 F100 RLC I run full open yet all my longer travel forks i run with low speed compression.IMHO the 100 fork works best if progressive but full open. That will get you back some small bump compliance [ cornering traction] till the fork breaks in. I find on some forks i have added up to 10 psi more after break in period.

    Coming from a 26"ax yopu should find the 27.5 ax solid as a rock. sounds like you've got alot of dialling in to do.

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    Just got back from a short ride. Brought the pump with me this time.

    I was definitely under pressured in the rear. This bike wants air.

    180 rear is really good in D mode. I wasn't even going to try T mode, figured it would be too harsh. It was actually pretty good, but once I switched back to D mode there was no reason to go back. 180 rear in D mode is really good. Pretty happy with that.

    The front I'm still dialing in. GVS I am only using D mode on the front. I really don't see a need for T mode on the front. I also use the C mode for long extended climbs or getting out of the saddle.

    I started with 70psi and it was pretty good, then jumped up to 80psi, then back to 75.

    I'm still not happy with the front. My 29er Fox I run 70psi and rebound in the middle and its really good. I was closer today and believe I will find something really good soon.

    I re-oiled again and the fork is definitely smoother. I think I will go back to 70psi next ride and see what I have.

    GVS I am using the blue Fox Fluid Oil.

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    My next ride will also bring the pump along and try D mode with more air. psi at my weight in T mode was pretty good, but a bit less compression damping wouldn't hurt.

    For the forks, I used most of my travel so going to stick around 70 but will use the stanchion lube I have. and then try more air on D mode. It took a while on my AX1 to find a happy balance and sure we can get these Fox forks to cooperate.
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    Have you guys tried tipping your bike upside down for a while before you ride it. Unless your getting plenty of big hits in on your trail it can take a while for the oil to get up to the top bushing. I usually don't have to do it for Fox forks I do with some of my other Brand forks that use very little bath oil. They smooth out once I get some good multiple hits in on the trail.

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    My guy at the shop set up my fork and shock. I've never had to touch them.
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    Anthem 29er going out, just ordered Anthem Advanced 1 27.5

    I think I'm definitely going to pick up an Athem Advanced 1 as well. Any idea how much weight would I save swapping the stock alloy rims out for some light bike china carbon time? Debating if it's worth the price and can't find the weight of the alloy time anywhere. What's the wheel set weigh on these?

    Edit: oops. 1700 grams found it on the site. So switching to carbon would save about 10 ounces

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    I weighted my stock wheels, no quick releases with standard rim strip and they were about 1770. My Stan's crests are about 1500 so 10 ounces with carbon should be pretty doable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Couloirman View Post
    I think I'm definitely going to pick up an Athem Advanced 1 as well. Any idea how much weight would I save swapping the stock alloy rims out for some light bike china carbon time? Debating if it's worth the price and can't find the weight of the alloy time anywhere. What's the wheel set weigh on these?

    Edit: oops. 1700 grams found it on the site. So switching to carbon would save about 10 ounces
    Hi, you would be lucky to save 100grams on rims - most of the weight in wheelsets is in the hubs, then equally between the spokes and rims. The giant wheelsets from 2 years ago were 2250gm so you could save 500grams and still have a reliable wheelset . At 1500g and less you will want to be a light and smooth rider IMO .

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    Quote Originally Posted by pharmaboy View Post
    Hi, you would be lucky to save 100grams on rims - most of the weight in wheelsets is in the hubs, then equally between the spokes and rims. The giant wheelsets from 2 years ago were 2250gm so you could save 500grams and still have a reliable wheelset . At 1500g and less you will want to be a light and smooth rider IMO .
    Fair enough, and thanks for the input. At this point I might be leaning towards just picking up the composite carbon frameset anyway since I want a 120mm SID fork, XX1 drivetrain, and carbon wheelset (but dont want to pay $8k for the 0 model) so selling off all the stock parts might be more trouble than it's worth.

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    A couple more weeks into setting the bike up, and some better impressions . I've been playing with shock sag and have ended up exactly at my weight 150 lbs. for what I feel is the best ride. I'm mostly using descend mode flipping to trail when climbing long smooth hills. For the forks settled around 70 psi also using descend more. In trail mode regardless of pressure there is too much compression damping and they're harsh at speed. In descend, very predictable and not too soft.

    The other big change for me was going to a crossmark exc up front. I shaved the little circles off the side knobs before running it, as I did on my 29r. Going to a tire that I'm familiar with and that is very predictable in our current dirt conditions completely changed the nature of the bike for me. Now it's easy to control, I know what it's going to do, and no surprises. So I'm pushing the bike and really enjoying the smaller wheel agility that I was afraid to exploit on the Rara up front. Huge difference. But the rara on the back is just fine, as it's light and has good straight line climbing traction.

    Did some long climbs last week in Sycamore, and this thing climbs beautifully. Not surprised given sub 24 pounds, but some of the tight switchbacks that took finesse on the 29r I was taking inside lines. Much fresher at the top of hills and accelerating towards the end of hills vs. hanging on for dear life. btw, I'm a CPA doing crazy long hours at work riding less, and this thing is clearly helping me stick near the faster guys that actually have a night's sleep.

    Riding around on my 29 reminded me of how stable, and cumbersome, the big wheels feel. At speed making mistakes, no question in my mind that the 29r will get you out of trouble. But the bmx nature of the 27.5 is definitely winning me over. I'm starting to jump off stuff I wasn't comfortable with, throwing it around in turns and in general having a bit more fun. Just have to mind my manners on the real nasty fast downhills. Sort of like when I switched from a 450 to a 250. Got away with a lot with a big motor, but way more fun on the agile bike.

    I've got a Pacenti Neo-moto coming next week and will try that on the front, thinking it'll be even better for our dirt right now. Though they are talking rain this coming weekend .

    Unrelated subject, a buddy did his first ride today on a Pivot 429 and that is one beautiful bike. He was coming off a 26r and rode like a different person today. Faster descending than he ever was on the old dually. Lots of great bikes out there and what a difference a newer machine can make.

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