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    2009 giant anthem advanced redesign?

    anybody heard anything? i'd love to see 100mm travel front and rear and a 70 degree head tube. ...oh and more standover height .

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    I heard nothing about a redesign of the Anthem Advanced so far. I saw the first picture of the Anthem X yesterday - looks similar to the current Trance (X) designs with a vertical placed damper...

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    Quote Originally Posted by zack
    I heard nothing about a redesign of the Anthem Advanced so far. I saw the first picture of the Anthem X yesterday - looks similar to the current Trance (X) designs with a vertical placed damper...

    Anthem X? you've got to give us a little more than that.

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    Sorry, i can't give you any further information. I could only see the pictures of the new Anthem X and the new TCR Advanced roadbike.

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    No good

    It's a race bike, hence race style geometry and quick handling if you want those angles, Buy a Trance.
    Quote Originally Posted by packfill
    anybody heard anything? i'd love to see 100mm travel front and rear and a 70 degree head tube. ...oh and more standover height .

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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx
    It's a race bike, hence race style geometry and quick handling if you want those angles, Buy a Trance.
    if that's the case why do all the new for 2007 or 2008 fs race bikes have 70 degree or slacker head tube angles?

    See: Cannondale Scalpel (69.5), Scott Spark (70), GF Pro-Caliper (69.5), Yeti ASR-Carbon (69), trek fuel (70), just to name a few.

    Christophe Sausers' custom six13 scalpel that was in MB action back when he rode for cannondale had a 69 degree head tube angle.

    i've never understood the idea of making a race bike super quick handling. There aren't any tight race courses in CO.... and most of the NORBA Nationals are ski area courses where you climb up and bomb down. The Anthem seems a little OTB with the 80mm fork and 72 degree head tube angle. Sure, Adam Craig goes fast down hill on it. He could ride a Huffy fast down hill. I'm not adam craig. i need all the help that i can get.

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    Don't dig too far into racer bikes farless 26" racer bikes so not to up to date on them, I'm more a XC/AM guy who prefers 29ers. Slap a 100mm fork on it then and slack it out a bit I just believe horses for courses is all. And yeah I understand the up and down nature of CO - ain't it great

    Quote Originally Posted by packfill
    if that's the case why do all the new for 2007 or 2008 fs race bikes have 70 degree or slacker head tube angles?

    See: Cannondale Scalpel (69.5), Scott Spark (70), GF Pro-Caliper (69.5), Yeti ASR-Carbon (69), trek fuel (70), just to name a few.

    Christophe Sausers' custom six13 scalpel that was in MB action back when he rode for cannondale had a 69 degree head tube angle.

    i've never understood the idea of making a race bike super quick handling. There aren't any tight race courses in CO.... and most of the NORBA Nationals are ski area courses where you climb up and bomb down. The Anthem seems a little OTB with the 80mm fork and 72 degree head tube angle. Sure, Adam Craig goes fast down hill on it. He could ride a Huffy fast down hill. I'm not adam craig. i need all the help that i can get.

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    Anthem X

    Anyone want to venture a guess as to what Carl Decker was racing on this past weekend at the Santa Ynez NORBA race? Short track XC and Super D. Hmm....
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    Possibly a test mule but without the finalised tubing as Iím sure they can make the final version a lot more curvy, both ends look a bit low, maybe it will be the redesigned normal Anthem in the pic.

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    The rear looks like a trance with an anthem front end. Interesting. You can almost see the upper linkage in the photo (trance), with a long top tube (anthem). Maybe its a "Tranc'em".

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    rumor in australia is no 4.2 inch trance in 09 but 4 inch anthem x instead

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    Quote Originally Posted by trance hammer
    rumor in australia is no 4.2 inch trance in 09 but 4 inch anthem x instead
    Interesting, my 08 Trance 1 would be a rare item, if you can call a bike made by Giant rare.

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    The anthem advanced will remain unchanged, the alu will be 100 mm and called anthem x.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kentkreitler
    The anthem advanced will remain unchanged, the alu will be 100 mm and called anthem x.
    BOOOOO, i don't understand that logic. it seems like if you're not racing and looking to buy a fun trail type bike, you go with the trance-x, or another light weight 5" bike. if you're going to be doing a little racing, 100mm is nice. but if you're going racing.....might as well go light weight and carbon. i guess i don't see who their target market would be for that one, unless they plan on bringing the carbon model out later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kentkreitler
    The anthem advanced will remain unchanged, the alu will be 100 mm and called anthem x.
    Well are they still sticking with the current rear shock design?

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    I guess they'll do like before. First the alu model for setting angles and measurements then they make a mold out of that blueprint. My second guess is that the new alu will be lighter than the current advanced... But that is just me speculating.

    I don't know about the suspension but maybe it's a trance rear with a anthem front, that seems like a good idea to me. But, I wonder why anyone would need 100 mm on their race bike though...

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    2009 Anthem X replaces the trance and Anthem.

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    makes complete sense really, the trance and trance x share too much commonality re geometry and target market group i think plus the trance x is a brilliant trail bike by all accounts yet light enough for enduro events for amateurs like me.

    the anthem x will only really take hold if the angles/weights etc make it as raceable as the current anthem which may be difficult if it loks too much like the trance x frame. anthems are very popular race/enduro bikes after all and have that fast xc look about them too..

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    whoever have any news of the design or picture of ANTHEM X,pls do share...............

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    Spill out the beans, guys! Anyone, huh?
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    hey all,im in a situation now.

    bike maths!!

    let say if i buy a Anthem S,and change the rear shock to rp23 ,to change the bike into an alternate anthem 0 frame,is it more worthwhile doing it like this?as in will it be cheaper?

    what's the difference between the ANTHEM O and ANTHEM S huh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockdhop
    let say if i buy a Anthem S,and change the rear shock to rp23 ,to change the bike into an alternate anthem 0 frame,is it more worthwhile doing it like this?as in will it be cheaper?

    what's the difference between the ANTHEM O and ANTHEM S huh?
    The Anthem 0 and the Anthem S from which market (IE Country)? They vary from country to country. An American 2008 Anthem 0 and an Australian Anthem 0 have several different parts on them. Australians don't have an Anthem S option.

    Look at Giant's website, the complete specs from all the bikes are there for you to compare.

    • If you want an Anthem 0, buy an Anthem 0.
    • If you like everything on the Anthem S apart from the shock, buy an Anthem S and an RP23. (Or RP2..)
    • An Anthem S with an RP23 is not an Anthem 0. (Almost everything else is different - wheels, forks, brakes, drivetrain, cockpit...)


    You will not be able to build up a cheaper Anthem 0 from an Anthem S by buying all the parts separately. No-one can get the parts cheaper than Giant does!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grrrr
    The Anthem 0 and the Anthem S from which market (IE Country)? They vary from country to country. An American 2008 Anthem 0 and an Australian Anthem 0 have several different parts on them. Australians don't have an Anthem S option.

    Look at Giant's website, the complete specs from all the bikes are there for you to compare.

    • If you want an Anthem 0, buy an Anthem 0.
    • If you like everything on the Anthem S apart from the shock, buy an Anthem S and an RP23. (Or RP2..)
    • An Anthem S with an RP23 is not an Anthem 0. (Almost everything else is different - wheels, forks, brakes, drivetrain, cockpit...)


    You will not be able to build up a cheaper Anthem 0 from an Anthem S by buying all the parts separately. No-one can get the parts cheaper than Giant does!
    im refering just for the frame,not the entire rig

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    Well, Im sure Giant will still stick to 73/72 (I forgot) head tube angle for the Anthem cause whenever people review the bike, people comment on its geometry
    (the comment usually goes by, if you are looking for a fast XC bike, the Anthem geometry is for you and if you want a more relaxed riding position, get the Trance instead)
    it is the geometry which makes it a clear difference between Anthem and Trance, cause some people have trouble picking the Anthem or Trance so by making the Anthem geometry more race like, its easier for a rider to pick his bike.

    Besides this, maybe the Anthem X (if it exists) is going to have a 1 or 2 degree slacker head tube angle, you can see the pattern in the geometry change between the normal maestro bikes and the X model. Honestly I don't see the point of Anthem X with longer travel cause Anthem is a race bike and most race course don't require 4" of suspension. Well maybe there is a small crowd that needs a 4" race bikes .
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    Quote Originally Posted by wheelhot
    Well, Im sure Giant will still stick to 73/72 (I forgot) head tube angle for the Anthem cause whenever people review the bike, people comment on its geometry
    (the comment usually goes by, if you are looking for a fast XC bike, the Anthem geometry is for you and if you want a more relaxed riding position, get the Trance instead)
    it is the geometry which makes it a clear difference between Anthem and Trance, cause some people have trouble picking the Anthem or Trance so by making the Anthem geometry more race like, its easier for a rider to pick his bike.

    Besides this, maybe the Anthem X (if it exists) is going to have a 1 or 2 degree slacker head tube angle, you can see the pattern in the geometry change between the normal maestro bikes and the X model. Honestly I don't see the point of Anthem X with longer travel cause Anthem is a race bike and most race course don't require 4" of suspension. Well maybe there is a small crowd that needs a 4" race bikes .
    hmmmmm..........a nice personal thoughts....

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    I am a racer and I want 4" front and back for my race bike. I also want Giant to release a sub 23lb Anthem. With a $6000+ price tag there is no good reason for the Advanced to be 24.5lbs out of the box (with pedals).

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    I am a racer and I want 4" front and back for my race bike. I also want Giant to release a sub 23lb Anthem. With a $6000+ price tag there is no good reason for the Advanced to be 24.5lbs out of the box (with pedals).
    Why would you want your Anthem to be 4" back? Just wondering.

    Anyway I definitely agree with you that the Anthem Advanced is heavy in XC Race bike standard. I wonder if the new Anthem will be able to shave a lot of weight.
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    You are absolutely right Benno, the bike should not weigh anything over 23lb for that price. My advanced weighs in at 23, with a different selection of components but for the same or less budget, but still fool proof. I don't understand why they make a frame that weighs almost 2500g, although a very good one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wheelhot
    Why would you want your Anthem to be 4" back? Just wondering.

    Anyway I definitely agree with you that the Anthem Advanced is heavy in XC Race bike standard. I wonder if the new Anthem will be able to shave a lot of weight.
    As you might remember I ordered a Trance Advanced because I wanted 4" front and back and was gonna swap a bunch of parts to get it at 23lbs. Then my team suggested the Yeti ASR-C (22lbs) which I ordered and waited 7 months for and it never came in. So a month ago I picked up a 2008 Anthem Advanced because I needed a bike right away. I didn't have time to parts swap like I was going to with the Trance. I did put a 100mm fork on my Anthem though (Magura Durin MD100R) and I like it much more.

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    As you might remember I ordered a Trance Advanced because I wanted 4" front and back and was gonna swap a bunch of parts to get it at 23lbs. Then my team suggested the Yeti ASR-C (22lbs) which I ordered and waited 7 months for and it never came in. So a month ago I picked up a 2008 Anthem Advanced because I needed a bike right away. I didn't have time to parts swap like I was going to with the Trance. I did put a 100mm fork on my Anthem though (Magura Durin MD100R) and I like it much more.
    Aah, I thought you sold away your Anthem Advanced for Trance Advanced rite? Sorry to hear that the Yeti didn't came in.
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    actually I'm not too sorry. I rode an aluminum version of the Yeti for a month and wasn't super impressed. As soon as I got back on the Anthem I was blown away with its performance. I think I'll stick with Giant for a while now, I learned my lesson.

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    actually I'm not too sorry. I rode an aluminum version of the Yeti for a month and wasn't super impressed. As soon as I got back on the Anthem I was blown away with its performance. I think I'll stick with Giant for a while now, I learned my lesson.
    Haha, okay ^^
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    Quote Originally Posted by Benno
    actually I'm not too sorry. I rode an aluminum version of the Yeti for a month and wasn't super impressed. As soon as I got back on the Anthem I was blown away with its performance. I think I'll stick with Giant for a while now, I learned my lesson.
    wow......anyway giant anthem seems to be the best bike that everyone has put good review about.....

    good job man

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    It makes me run for my money, it makes me gasp for more air & makes me ooze. It has sweet, desirable lines, just clamoring to be ridden at every moment. It romps a beautiful rear end linked with a marvelous pair up front!

    What makes it so stunning!?! It's mine! I'm also sure the MTB waiting for you is the world's most adorable to your eyes.

    @sub 23lbs... Mine's definitely a keeper! Quite inspiring words, Benno!
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    I really like the steep headtube, and haven't really wanted more than 80mm of travel (I also have a bike with 130mm front and rear) for the stuff I normally ride. It's a fun, fast bike for sure. With the suspension tuned right, it feels like a lot more travel than it is.

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    Anthem X weight

    I don't see a $6000 Anthem X under 23lbs as a problem. Hell my Trance X is 25.4lbs with pedals (candy 4Ti) and I didn't change a hell of a lot.

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    Wow, I have just seen the new 09 Epic pictures and it looks sweet. Lets see how the new Anthem will look like
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    Probably looks the same just with more travel.

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    yea man,when's the anthem X coming out?

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    Probably October some time. I wouldn't expect anything revolutionary on the mtb front. Giant put a lot of its resources into the new road lineup.

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    Giantís got deep pockets, it wouldnít take too much to pull off a great bike with the Anthem X, new tubing, fiddle with the angles, up the travel, get the testers in to come up with improvements etc.

    And besides, Trekís managing to pull off a lot of redesigns at once.

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    I probably would'nt go as far as to say that they have DEEP pockets, but you are correct though...it would not take much to tweek an already good design into a great design, CHOMPING into the boutique niche's arrogant mentality towards mainstream designs and as you said, Trek has pulled off some very VERY good designs as of late. I would still like to visually tweek the Session 88 a bit more though. Paint job is very cool and suits the market...very racy.

    Yet in saying that, I have never been much of a fan of Trek, but this upcoming line of bikes are very exciting as well as visually engaging for the rider. I will be getting the new Session 88 Fr to hop a leg over for a bit. So I very much intend to punish that rig to see what it can do in Fujimi Panorama.

    never sell the Xo though unless its for a better Xo...he he he.
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    If history has taught us anything Giant seems to follow the same trends as Shimano. Road and mountain updates are staggered and happen every couple of years.

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    Yes, that sounds right for me. Well, have to wait a li'l longer though...
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    Yeah...2010 is the key time frame here and has many said tweeks, though only various models, some of which are already mainstream converation and into final mods.

    I think the 2005\ 6\ 7 line-ups were more aggressively tweaked and major changes made with the likes from the Faith and VT fair. That is some pretty fast changes in terms of the linearity of a newly introduced platform such as VT...but yes your right of course.

    Giant had a mixed bag of platforms over quite a small span of time ranging from the original Dh designed by Renault, to that of the NRS, Warp, AC etc etc. Now they have something that is very much a strong platform that they can tweak more so, without introducing radical changes such as the single pivot 4bar linkage VT, which had MANY probs and was not what you could call a line to base the future of the company on...as much as it was a pretty good bike in its own right...I guess.


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    If history has taught us anything Giant seems to follow the same trends as Shimano. Road and mountain updates are staggered and happen every couple of years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Benno
    If history has taught us anything Giant seems to follow the same trends as Shimano. Road and mountain updates are staggered and happen every couple of years.
    Hmm, I thought they were more like Specialized in that they updated a couple of mtb and road ranges per year and they kind of work in a rotation, the Epic and SX Trail for 09 and the Enduro and Demo for 2010, Cannondale does the same thing slowly moving through their line every few years and replacing the oldest first, that's how i came to the conclusion that is was the Anthem and Glory for 09.

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    im quite optimistic about the giant future.haha.....im not with the co. but from the way they put bike quality to pricing,you can tell,they are building for the sake of bike enthusiats as well as earning some profit but not overpricing it

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    well its quiet heavy for 23lbs coz for more travel with the stumpjumper fsr 2008 s work verson can set up to 22lbs with 5 inch travel f & rear and its a singletrack bike not xc
    and the sus with correct set up works no different than anthem or even better than fox fork at front
    anyway i guess anthem have 2 be lighter or giant have 2 make a new range if they still want their space at high end xc bike
    do you think they ll make a new mestro thing like what they did to NRS?

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    well its quiet heavy for 23lbs coz for more travel with the stumpjumper fsr 2008 s work verson can set up to 22lbs with 5 inch travel f & rear and its a singletrack bike not xc
    and the sus with correct set up works no different than anthem or even better than fox fork at front
    anyway i guess anthem have 2 be lighter or giant have 2 make a new range if they still want their space at high end xc bike
    do you think they ll make a new mestro thing like what they did to NRS?
    Yeah, Giant definitely need to lighten up their Anthem which is their flagship XC Race bike, the Trance X weight is not far from the Anthem by the way.

    What you mean new maestro thing?
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    u know ages ago NRS was the top of range design from giant then mestro replace it with a better design
    im quite interested ll giant meke a new design n replac all the meastro to make it more efficient or lighter

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