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    Y U no wear armor for XC

    So how come there's no lightweight armor made for the XC crowd? And if there is, why don't you see any XC riders wearing it? Around here (western NC), you'd swear the XC singletrac is a downhillers course, with all the roots and rocks. And yet I never see any riders wearing protective gear.

    I've had a couple trips OTB in the last few months and could have benefitted nicely from some padding on the ole upper torso. Back in my moto-hare-scramble days, we wouldn't think of riding without armor. And yet the speeds we reach on our XC bikes easily matches what my YZ fo-fiddy did going downhill.

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    You probably need a 29er.

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    Y U No

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hutch3637 View Post
    Those are baggy shorts in the pic - obviously NOT xc

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    Quote Originally Posted by 006_007 View Post
    Those are baggy shorts in the pic - obviously NOT xc
    OBV you need to get some glasses because those are clearly XC bibs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hutch3637 View Post
    OBV you need to get some glasses because those are clearly XC bibs.
    lol well played

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    yeah, armor works great with lycra

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    Haters. I am seriously considering something, as my trails here in Oregon are like you described yours. I bruised my kidney in August from a crash, and while I haven't purchased anything yet, I am seriously looking at a kidney belt with some impact protection. Yes, it hurt bad enough that I really don't want to do it again. I know they call my trails around XC, but I think by true definition, they would be more of all-mountain type of trails.....if you have to catagorize everything. We just have to do a lot of climbing before you get to go downhill!
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    Cuz I no bust assa that offin. You dig?

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    Don't crash. Then you don't need pads.
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    I just rode with one in Bent Creek and besides amor he also had a full face helmet.

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    I got tired of bloody knees, so started wearing a pair of leg warmers doubled over my knees. They work. I crashed once. My shin below the covering was bloody, but my knee didn't have a scratch in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FatTireGoose View Post
    So how come there's no lightweight armor made for the XC crowd? And if there is, why don't you see any XC riders wearing it? Around here (western NC), you'd swear the XC singletrac is a downhillers course, with all the roots and rocks. And yet I never see any riders wearing protective gear.

    I've had a couple trips OTB in the last few months and could have benefitted nicely from some padding on the ole upper torso. Back in my moto-hare-scramble days, we wouldn't think of riding without armor. And yet the speeds we reach on our XC bikes easily matches what my YZ fo-fiddy did going downhill.

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    I am currently in the process of making a set of horse riding style half chaps to protect my shins from the trails here, plus they will double as leg warmers for cold weather and something to keep my pants out of the chain on days i ride home from work

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    Y U no wear armor for XC-3riutp.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by JPS2345 View Post
    I am currently in the process of making a set of horse riding style half chaps to protect my shins from the trails here, plus they will double as leg warmers for cold weather and something to keep my pants out of the chain on days i ride home from work
    For some reason my first thought was of someone riding a bike with buttless chaps
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    Quote Originally Posted by DennisF View Post
    I got tired of bloody knees, so started wearing a pair of leg warmers doubled over my knees. They work. I crashed once. My shin below the covering was bloody, but my knee didn't have a scratch in it.
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    But seriously folks. Soccer shin guards (under $10) and inline skate pads ($20 to $40 for wrist, elbow & knee ).

    I don't know about this stuff but it's light and cheap (compared to MTB body armour)
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    Quote Originally Posted by danielsilva View Post
    For some reason my first thought was of someone riding a bike with buttless chaps
    naw anyone riding in something like that probably wouldn't have a seat on the seatpost

    Motorcycle half chaps/ horse riding half chap. What ever you wanna call em, basically something like this but lighter breathable material


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    Too restrictive. The idea is to wear minimalist attire in XC riding to shed bulk and weight, and to streamline.

    Besides, having fun involves taking some risk. Heck I fell 150 feet down a steep mountainside last Fall and I wasn't wearing any body armor/pads/protection. I'm still here and I'm still not wearing any sort of body armor/pads/protection other than my helmet and full fingered gloves.

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    Something like this?


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    Quote Originally Posted by ambassadorhawg View Post
    Too restrictive. The idea is to wear minimalist attire in XC riding to shed bulk and weight, and to streamline.
    I think what 'hawg is saying is something like this is pure XC. See, she's riding XC--
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    ^Well, it's certainly closer to that compared to a down hiller in full body garb^

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    Quote Originally Posted by heyyall View Post
    I think what 'hawg is saying is something like this is pure XC. See, she's riding XC--
    Oh I wish my face was that saddle....

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    Quote Originally Posted by monzie View Post
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    i think many people would LIKE to be padded, but then the reality of it being heavy and hot makes them take the risk without it. i have sixsixone veggie pads, but theyve been discontinued (you can still find them on some sites though)
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    I never understood those that ride with pads for xc. Learning to fall correctly is better than wearing extra stuff in my book. I do have a small Dueter pack that has saved my back several times, but I think armor is overkill. Sometimes sht happens. Use that fear to develop better skills.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dubthang View Post
    I never understood those that ride with pads for xc. Learning to fall correctly is better than wearing extra stuff in my book. I do have a small Dueter pack that has saved my back several times, but I think armor is overkill. Sometimes sht happens. Use that fear to develop better skills.
    Probably because not everybody rides XC as the same way, for some riding XC only involves tame fire roads and soft dirt, others the local trails consist of heavy rocky areas with sharp rocks.

    If i'm riding around my local trails i don't wear any body armour or i'll put some lightweight knee pads on thr roughest trails, if i'm riding on the Pyrenees you bet i'll be wearing part of my Enduro protection in some of the trails.
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    I honestly think, if you're pushing yourself you should fall at least a couple times a year. For one, when pushing your cornering limits you're bound wash out once and a while. OTB and other more serious crashes aren't fun but are a necessity occasionally if you're pushing your limit on technical sections.

    So, I alternate: pads when I'm trying to push it on a new section or to just let loose, then no pads when I've memorized the trail and I'm now timing a loop for max performance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by danielsilva View Post
    Probably because not everybody rides XC as the same way, for some riding XC only involves tame fire roads and soft dirt, others the local trails consist of heavy rocky areas with sharp rocks.

    If i'm riding around my local trails i don't wear any body armour or i'll put some lightweight knee pads on thr roughest trails, if i'm riding on the Pyrenees you bet i'll be wearing part of my Enduro protection in some of the trails.
    I agree with you here. I'm not familiar with the Pyrenees. Is it xc or more towards am or free ride? In New England we have a lot of nasty non-fire road stuff. I grew up on these types of trails so I suppose that explains my viewpoint.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dubthang View Post
    I agree with you here. I'm not familiar with the Pyrenees. Is it xc or more towards am or free ride? In New England we have a lot of nasty non-fire road stuff. I grew up on these types of trails so I suppose that explains my viewpoint.
    Well there are XC, AM, Freeride and Downhill trails depending on whom you ask but i'm talking about the XC type trails, the "less technical" ones.
    The thing is in some of the trails the surrounding terrain is very harsh even if the path itself is rather smooth and one small crash can have grave consequences, specially when some of the single tracks are narrow and steep and you can build up quite some speed unless you want to drag your brakes for hundreds of meters.
    And it's not even a matter of skill, one wet or loose rock, some sudden wind, livestock ( i once crashed when a cow suddenly popped in the road after a tight turn ) etc and you're rolling down the hill.

    I'm not talking about goin riding XC with full face helmet, neck brake, knee/shin and the hole full nine yards but sometimes i do take my iXS knee and elbow pads and i even take my Archi-Enduro helmet with me as i don't really want to waste a couple grand on surgery.
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    why no armor for XC??
    This is what happens when you wear armor on XC trail

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    I don't think you would even need pads if you had firm, full breasts like these. At least not in the frontal area.


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    Well if you can still find one, this is awesome. I crashed a few times during my bike clinics, just got up and go again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by highdelll View Post
    why no armor for XC??
    This is what happens when you wear armor on XC trail
    Goggles and full face helmet for flowing single track?


    And I noticed she was following the guy ahead of her closer than the guy with the helmet cam was following her, so if he was going too fast, so was she, as he wasn't gaining on her till she decided to test her brakes in the middle of the trail.

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    Well they were complete noobs on one of those initiation courses, so if i were giving the course i would also like to have them geared up just because of these situations.
    That video is old but still cracks me up, can't stop laughing when she throws the bike at him and then complains that she has a broken leg
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    Quote Originally Posted by highdelll View Post
    why no armor for XC??
    This is what happens when you wear armor on XC trail

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    Quote Originally Posted by highdelll View Post
    why no armor for XC??
    This is what happens when you wear armor on XC trail
    hmm let us see, stop in the middle of the trail at the end of a corner, what do you think was gonna happen.

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    Lots of good responses, thanks.

    But just to clarify and narrow the field of opinions, this is the kind of armor I'm talking about pictured below...not fullface, shin guards, etc. Just a lightweight padded shirt for upper body, rotator cuff, rib cage, collar bone injuries. And I'm talking about steep rocky ST too, we don't ride a lot of fire road, double-trac, flowy stuff always.

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    ^^^. Looks like a cheap knock-off batman costume. Sorry, but no thanks.
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    I'm not afraid of bleeding, I'm afraid of breaking things. Any armor that would help with the latter would be way too hot and heavy for trails with a significant amount of climbing. Therefore I choose to risk it.

    I have been considering a more protective helmet lately though. Several of the people I ride with have started to wear full faces. I don't see the need for the extra face coverage, but I would like something that might prevent a concussion a little better than my standard roadie-style lid. There doesn't seem to be much out there in that category though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FatTireGoose View Post
    Lots of good responses, thanks.

    But just to clarify and narrow the field of opinions, this is the kind of armor I'm talking about pictured below...not fullface, shin guards, etc. Just a lightweight padded shirt for upper body, rotator cuff, rib cage, collar bone injuries. And I'm talking about steep rocky ST too, we don't ride a lot of fire road, double-trac, flowy stuff always.

    I wear the TLD shirt on the right for DH/SD/slalom/BMX. It is hot. That is part of the reason you don't see armor in XC. Nearly every reason is illustrated in this thread. Just to be clear, they are not all reasons why you shouldn't wear armor, but they are reasons people don't wear armor.

    1.Tradition (lycra and light roadie helmets have always been good enough)
    2. Performance (XC style is heavily driven by pro XC race style, even when only a small fraction of MTBers race, reportedly)
    3. See all the macho pseudoscientific b.s. above (e.g. crashing is good for you, fear helps build skill, suck it up buttercup)

    Ignoring points #1 (boring) and #3 (you can interact w/ anonymous Internet dudes at your leisure), there is a lot to say about performance.

    That TLD shirt is not restrictive at all, and it's not very heavy, but XC racers don't wear lycra for the tiny increase in efficiency from reduced drag, they wear it, among other reasons, I guess, because tight lycra is way better for evaporative cooling (sweat) than baggy layers. I wear it under a baggy, long sleeve (required for BMX) moto jersey, and the combination is, no surprise here, way hotter than a single, wicking layer like a tight XC jersey. Over the course of a 2+ hr ride, that's a deal breaker for many people, me included.

    I applaud you for thinking of your riding on your trails and what gear might be most appropriate, but then why come here for approval?
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    Quote Originally Posted by highdelll View Post
    why no armor for XC??
    This is what happens when you wear armor on XC trail
    That video was so funny I had to watch it twice. She threw her bike at him

    I fail to see why they need armor for that trail. Especially with how slow they were going.

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    Quote Originally Posted by down2ride View Post
    That video was so funny I had to watch it twice. She threw her bike at him

    I fail to see why they need armor for that trail. Especially with how slow they were going.
    Was that video staged? It looks so fake. I thought her Spider Man pose right after she threw the bike at you was pretty funny! LOL!

    She doesn't even look hurt. I could be wrong and hope she is ok... But looks like she just wants attention.


    Now, if that were a car accident, it would have totally been your fault (hitting someone in front of you, even if they slam on their brakes), but what she did was plain wrong to slam on her brakes.

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    I think I would die of heat stroke wearing armor on an xc ride. I generate a lot of body heat and at times have to remove even my gloves, helmet, and sunglasses to cool off. I can't tolerate full fingered gloves for summer riding, even. I wear roadie gloves with cutoff fingers.

    Even a thin padded shirt is going to provide so much unneeded insulation that I wouldn't even ride. I can go without any insulation at all clear into the 30's so padding like that is out of the question.

    If my trails were super rocky I might wear knee/elbow armor but that would be about it. If I rode platform pedals I'd consider shin armor.

    But I have gotten by riding for over 10 years without any armor. I have had the odd scrape or cut. I healed without any hospital visits. I ride XC, not DH. Consequences have not been that high the way I ride. And I have ridden plenty in very rocky places. Western PA, Pisgah, NC, southern UT. They have been no worse than the less rocky places.

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