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    Y U no wear armor for XC

    So how come there's no lightweight armor made for the XC crowd? And if there is, why don't you see any XC riders wearing it? Around here (western NC), you'd swear the XC singletrac is a downhillers course, with all the roots and rocks. And yet I never see any riders wearing protective gear.

    I've had a couple trips OTB in the last few months and could have benefitted nicely from some padding on the ole upper torso. Back in my moto-hare-scramble days, we wouldn't think of riding without armor. And yet the speeds we reach on our XC bikes easily matches what my YZ fo-fiddy did going downhill.

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    You probably need a 29er.

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    Y U No

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hutch3637 View Post
    Those are baggy shorts in the pic - obviously NOT xc

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    Quote Originally Posted by 006_007 View Post
    Those are baggy shorts in the pic - obviously NOT xc
    OBV you need to get some glasses because those are clearly XC bibs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hutch3637 View Post
    OBV you need to get some glasses because those are clearly XC bibs.
    lol well played

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    yeah, armor works great with lycra

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    Haters. I am seriously considering something, as my trails here in Oregon are like you described yours. I bruised my kidney in August from a crash, and while I haven't purchased anything yet, I am seriously looking at a kidney belt with some impact protection. Yes, it hurt bad enough that I really don't want to do it again. I know they call my trails around XC, but I think by true definition, they would be more of all-mountain type of trails.....if you have to catagorize everything. We just have to do a lot of climbing before you get to go downhill!
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    Cuz I no bust assa that offin. You dig?

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    Don't crash. Then you don't need pads.
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    I just rode with one in Bent Creek and besides amor he also had a full face helmet.

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    I got tired of bloody knees, so started wearing a pair of leg warmers doubled over my knees. They work. I crashed once. My shin below the covering was bloody, but my knee didn't have a scratch in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FatTireGoose View Post
    So how come there's no lightweight armor made for the XC crowd? And if there is, why don't you see any XC riders wearing it? Around here (western NC), you'd swear the XC singletrac is a downhillers course, with all the roots and rocks. And yet I never see any riders wearing protective gear.

    I've had a couple trips OTB in the last few months and could have benefitted nicely from some padding on the ole upper torso. Back in my moto-hare-scramble days, we wouldn't think of riding without armor. And yet the speeds we reach on our XC bikes easily matches what my YZ fo-fiddy did going downhill.

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    I am currently in the process of making a set of horse riding style half chaps to protect my shins from the trails here, plus they will double as leg warmers for cold weather and something to keep my pants out of the chain on days i ride home from work

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    Y U no wear armor for XC-3riutp.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by JPS2345 View Post
    I am currently in the process of making a set of horse riding style half chaps to protect my shins from the trails here, plus they will double as leg warmers for cold weather and something to keep my pants out of the chain on days i ride home from work
    For some reason my first thought was of someone riding a bike with buttless chaps
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    Quote Originally Posted by DennisF View Post
    I got tired of bloody knees, so started wearing a pair of leg warmers doubled over my knees. They work. I crashed once. My shin below the covering was bloody, but my knee didn't have a scratch in it.
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    But seriously folks. Soccer shin guards (under $10) and inline skate pads ($20 to $40 for wrist, elbow & knee ).

    I don't know about this stuff but it's light and cheap (compared to MTB body armour)
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    Quote Originally Posted by danielsilva View Post
    For some reason my first thought was of someone riding a bike with buttless chaps
    naw anyone riding in something like that probably wouldn't have a seat on the seatpost

    Motorcycle half chaps/ horse riding half chap. What ever you wanna call em, basically something like this but lighter breathable material


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    Too restrictive. The idea is to wear minimalist attire in XC riding to shed bulk and weight, and to streamline.

    Besides, having fun involves taking some risk. Heck I fell 150 feet down a steep mountainside last Fall and I wasn't wearing any body armor/pads/protection. I'm still here and I'm still not wearing any sort of body armor/pads/protection other than my helmet and full fingered gloves.

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    Something like this?


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    Quote Originally Posted by ambassadorhawg View Post
    Too restrictive. The idea is to wear minimalist attire in XC riding to shed bulk and weight, and to streamline.
    I think what 'hawg is saying is something like this is pure XC. See, she's riding XC--
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    ^Well, it's certainly closer to that compared to a down hiller in full body garb^

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    Quote Originally Posted by heyyall View Post
    I think what 'hawg is saying is something like this is pure XC. See, she's riding XC--
    Oh I wish my face was that saddle....

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    Quote Originally Posted by monzie View Post
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    i think many people would LIKE to be padded, but then the reality of it being heavy and hot makes them take the risk without it. i have sixsixone veggie pads, but theyve been discontinued (you can still find them on some sites though)
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    I never understood those that ride with pads for xc. Learning to fall correctly is better than wearing extra stuff in my book. I do have a small Dueter pack that has saved my back several times, but I think armor is overkill. Sometimes sht happens. Use that fear to develop better skills.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dubthang View Post
    I never understood those that ride with pads for xc. Learning to fall correctly is better than wearing extra stuff in my book. I do have a small Dueter pack that has saved my back several times, but I think armor is overkill. Sometimes sht happens. Use that fear to develop better skills.
    Probably because not everybody rides XC as the same way, for some riding XC only involves tame fire roads and soft dirt, others the local trails consist of heavy rocky areas with sharp rocks.

    If i'm riding around my local trails i don't wear any body armour or i'll put some lightweight knee pads on thr roughest trails, if i'm riding on the Pyrenees you bet i'll be wearing part of my Enduro protection in some of the trails.
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    I honestly think, if you're pushing yourself you should fall at least a couple times a year. For one, when pushing your cornering limits you're bound wash out once and a while. OTB and other more serious crashes aren't fun but are a necessity occasionally if you're pushing your limit on technical sections.

    So, I alternate: pads when I'm trying to push it on a new section or to just let loose, then no pads when I've memorized the trail and I'm now timing a loop for max performance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by danielsilva View Post
    Probably because not everybody rides XC as the same way, for some riding XC only involves tame fire roads and soft dirt, others the local trails consist of heavy rocky areas with sharp rocks.

    If i'm riding around my local trails i don't wear any body armour or i'll put some lightweight knee pads on thr roughest trails, if i'm riding on the Pyrenees you bet i'll be wearing part of my Enduro protection in some of the trails.
    I agree with you here. I'm not familiar with the Pyrenees. Is it xc or more towards am or free ride? In New England we have a lot of nasty non-fire road stuff. I grew up on these types of trails so I suppose that explains my viewpoint.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dubthang View Post
    I agree with you here. I'm not familiar with the Pyrenees. Is it xc or more towards am or free ride? In New England we have a lot of nasty non-fire road stuff. I grew up on these types of trails so I suppose that explains my viewpoint.
    Well there are XC, AM, Freeride and Downhill trails depending on whom you ask but i'm talking about the XC type trails, the "less technical" ones.
    The thing is in some of the trails the surrounding terrain is very harsh even if the path itself is rather smooth and one small crash can have grave consequences, specially when some of the single tracks are narrow and steep and you can build up quite some speed unless you want to drag your brakes for hundreds of meters.
    And it's not even a matter of skill, one wet or loose rock, some sudden wind, livestock ( i once crashed when a cow suddenly popped in the road after a tight turn ) etc and you're rolling down the hill.

    I'm not talking about goin riding XC with full face helmet, neck brake, knee/shin and the hole full nine yards but sometimes i do take my iXS knee and elbow pads and i even take my Archi-Enduro helmet with me as i don't really want to waste a couple grand on surgery.
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    why no armor for XC??
    This is what happens when you wear armor on XC trail

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    I don't think you would even need pads if you had firm, full breasts like these. At least not in the frontal area.


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    Well if you can still find one, this is awesome. I crashed a few times during my bike clinics, just got up and go again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by highdelll View Post
    why no armor for XC??
    This is what happens when you wear armor on XC trail
    Goggles and full face helmet for flowing single track?


    And I noticed she was following the guy ahead of her closer than the guy with the helmet cam was following her, so if he was going too fast, so was she, as he wasn't gaining on her till she decided to test her brakes in the middle of the trail.

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    Well they were complete noobs on one of those initiation courses, so if i were giving the course i would also like to have them geared up just because of these situations.
    That video is old but still cracks me up, can't stop laughing when she throws the bike at him and then complains that she has a broken leg
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    Quote Originally Posted by highdelll View Post
    why no armor for XC??
    This is what happens when you wear armor on XC trail

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    Quote Originally Posted by highdelll View Post
    why no armor for XC??
    This is what happens when you wear armor on XC trail
    hmm let us see, stop in the middle of the trail at the end of a corner, what do you think was gonna happen.

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    Lots of good responses, thanks.

    But just to clarify and narrow the field of opinions, this is the kind of armor I'm talking about pictured below...not fullface, shin guards, etc. Just a lightweight padded shirt for upper body, rotator cuff, rib cage, collar bone injuries. And I'm talking about steep rocky ST too, we don't ride a lot of fire road, double-trac, flowy stuff always.

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    ^^^. Looks like a cheap knock-off batman costume. Sorry, but no thanks.
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    I'm not afraid of bleeding, I'm afraid of breaking things. Any armor that would help with the latter would be way too hot and heavy for trails with a significant amount of climbing. Therefore I choose to risk it.

    I have been considering a more protective helmet lately though. Several of the people I ride with have started to wear full faces. I don't see the need for the extra face coverage, but I would like something that might prevent a concussion a little better than my standard roadie-style lid. There doesn't seem to be much out there in that category though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FatTireGoose View Post
    Lots of good responses, thanks.

    But just to clarify and narrow the field of opinions, this is the kind of armor I'm talking about pictured below...not fullface, shin guards, etc. Just a lightweight padded shirt for upper body, rotator cuff, rib cage, collar bone injuries. And I'm talking about steep rocky ST too, we don't ride a lot of fire road, double-trac, flowy stuff always.

    I wear the TLD shirt on the right for DH/SD/slalom/BMX. It is hot. That is part of the reason you don't see armor in XC. Nearly every reason is illustrated in this thread. Just to be clear, they are not all reasons why you shouldn't wear armor, but they are reasons people don't wear armor.

    1.Tradition (lycra and light roadie helmets have always been good enough)
    2. Performance (XC style is heavily driven by pro XC race style, even when only a small fraction of MTBers race, reportedly)
    3. See all the macho pseudoscientific b.s. above (e.g. crashing is good for you, fear helps build skill, suck it up buttercup)

    Ignoring points #1 (boring) and #3 (you can interact w/ anonymous Internet dudes at your leisure), there is a lot to say about performance.

    That TLD shirt is not restrictive at all, and it's not very heavy, but XC racers don't wear lycra for the tiny increase in efficiency from reduced drag, they wear it, among other reasons, I guess, because tight lycra is way better for evaporative cooling (sweat) than baggy layers. I wear it under a baggy, long sleeve (required for BMX) moto jersey, and the combination is, no surprise here, way hotter than a single, wicking layer like a tight XC jersey. Over the course of a 2+ hr ride, that's a deal breaker for many people, me included.

    I applaud you for thinking of your riding on your trails and what gear might be most appropriate, but then why come here for approval?
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    Quote Originally Posted by highdelll View Post
    why no armor for XC??
    This is what happens when you wear armor on XC trail
    That video was so funny I had to watch it twice. She threw her bike at him

    I fail to see why they need armor for that trail. Especially with how slow they were going.

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    Quote Originally Posted by down2ride View Post
    That video was so funny I had to watch it twice. She threw her bike at him

    I fail to see why they need armor for that trail. Especially with how slow they were going.
    Was that video staged? It looks so fake. I thought her Spider Man pose right after she threw the bike at you was pretty funny! LOL!

    She doesn't even look hurt. I could be wrong and hope she is ok... But looks like she just wants attention.


    Now, if that were a car accident, it would have totally been your fault (hitting someone in front of you, even if they slam on their brakes), but what she did was plain wrong to slam on her brakes.

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    I think I would die of heat stroke wearing armor on an xc ride. I generate a lot of body heat and at times have to remove even my gloves, helmet, and sunglasses to cool off. I can't tolerate full fingered gloves for summer riding, even. I wear roadie gloves with cutoff fingers.

    Even a thin padded shirt is going to provide so much unneeded insulation that I wouldn't even ride. I can go without any insulation at all clear into the 30's so padding like that is out of the question.

    If my trails were super rocky I might wear knee/elbow armor but that would be about it. If I rode platform pedals I'd consider shin armor.

    But I have gotten by riding for over 10 years without any armor. I have had the odd scrape or cut. I healed without any hospital visits. I ride XC, not DH. Consequences have not been that high the way I ride. And I have ridden plenty in very rocky places. Western PA, Pisgah, NC, southern UT. They have been no worse than the less rocky places.

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    Ive ridden XC in western NC for years, ive never felt the need for anything other than a helmet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by irishpitbull View Post
    Don't stop in the middle of trail bish.
    I cannot believe the way that girl acted, what a spoilt lil brat throwing her bike, it was her bloody fault, she stopped in the middle of the trail for nothing, that bloke was so nice that she hit, i would have picked up her bike after the brat threw it and thrown it at the closest tree.
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    I won a pair of Lizard Skinz forearm guards in a race several years ago. I have yet to even open the package. In those 3 years, I've gone OTB four or five times, never broken anything and have had nothing worsed that a deep cut. I just don't see the need.
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    I sure wish I was wearing a chest protector last year when that tree jumped out in front of me and busted up my ribs and tore all the cartilage were your ribs connect to your sternum, also wish I wasn't riding alone.

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    No jumps no pads.

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    Call it XC, trail, freeride or DH, in fact call it anything thing you please, when your knee hits a rock it hurts like hell and I don't like it. My knees have taken enough abuse in my 62 years of assorted sports. I wear knee pads with shells and I don't care what anyone thinks about it. I wear gloves and a helmet too for that matter.

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    [QUOTE=highdelll;9820697]why no armor for XC??
    This is what happens when you wear armor on XC trail

    /QUOTE]

    i can't stop watching it over and over... it's too funny

    why would you stop like that in the middle of the trail?
    ditto on being overdressed both for the trail and for the speed they were going...
    but what do i know... i'm just a noob still

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    [QUOTE=db_8;9824640]
    Quote Originally Posted by highdelll View Post
    why no armor for XC??
    This is what happens when you wear armor on XC trail

    /QUOTE]

    i can't stop watching it over and over... it's too funny

    why would you stop like that in the middle of the trail?
    ditto on being overdressed both for the trail and for the speed they were going...
    but what do i know... i'm just a noob still
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    Just too hot.

    I mean the pads, not the pink stormtrooper.

    I rode today in the upper 40s and was sweating like crazy in shorts, poly shirt, fingerless gloves on the uphills.

    But, if you don't mind the insulation and it gives confidence to the rider, why not wear them?
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    why no armor for XC??
    This is what happens when you wear armor on XC trail

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    I have to give a thumbs up for the person taking the video how well he handled the situation! Yeah there was fault in both parties, but come on, Drama queen! That's what the pads are for! Definitely not a fashion statement!

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    You know if you're a rider who needs pads. If you need 'em, wear 'em.

    Our trails offer only a few opportunities for serious injuries, but people have still had broken arms and hands from hitting trees. I doubt pads would have helped much.

    Another group who rides a lot more drops and man-made jumps - they all wear pads. They ALL also have splints, bandages, casts, and lots of broken bike parts.

    A lot of people who ride indoors at Ray's MTB Park wear pads. A lot don't. I haven't seen many serious injuries. The last one I actually saw was someone landing a jump on their own foot. Too bad he missed his pads.

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    I ride in Arizona so I have combination of rocky trails and heat. I have never ridden with more than helmet and gloves. Fingerless gloves. It is too hot most of the year for anything more. XC riding is not about crashing. It is about staying up-right and riding. Here there are plenty things to crash into be them rocks and rocks and more rocks or cactus, but the simple answer is "don't crash". If you do you get some scrap and bruses and you go on your way.
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    Well I said smartass answers welcomed and I got plenty, I even got some negative rep for this thread . Go figure.
    But the one consistant response that escapes me is "just don't crash"...really?

    Would you have recommend the same to a snowboarder or skiier a few years back when helmets first became a good idea for their sport?

    And I'm not looking for approval from poser-phobes either. But after recovering from bruised ribs and rotator cuff in two seperate "accidents" (there's a reason they're called that)...it seems like the rest of the community/industry might think the idea of lightweight, lycra compatible, non-bulky, padding of some sort for XC might be a plausible idea.

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    I don't feel like I need pads when I ride. If you do, then wear pads.

    I wont wear pads.

    And if we meet somewhere in the trail, let's agree now to not make fun of each other for different riding styles.

    Deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by FatTireGoose View Post
    Well I said smartass answers welcomed and I got plenty, I even got some negative rep for this thread . Go figure.
    But the one consistant response that escapes me is "just don't crash"...really?

    Would you have recommend the same to a snowboarder or skiier a few years back when helmets first became a good idea for their sport?

    And I'm not looking for approval from poser-phobes either. But after recovering from bruised ribs and rotator cuff in two seperate "accidents" (there's a reason they're called that)...it seems like the rest of the community/industry might think the idea of lightweight, lycra compatible, non-bulky, padding of some sort for XC might be a plausible idea.

    Thanks again for all the responses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FatTireGoose View Post
    Well I said smartass answers welcomed and I got plenty, I even got some negative rep for this thread . Go figure.
    But the one consistant response that escapes me is "just don't crash"...really?
    Yes.... really don't crash. I don't know why mountain biking needs to involve crashing in the first place. Really we are talking about XC riding right. Not taking 5 foot jumps or flying 35 mph down rocky mountain sides. I started riding in 98 and body armor was for DH guys only. Everyone else work helmets, but that was all. People did crash, but you learned to ride so that you would not crash and if you did you would get dinged up, but at was about all.

    In the years since crashing has been limited and most involing minor bumps and scrapes. If I am riding a trail I most likly to crash at 5 mph not at 25 mph. At 25 mph I am very carefull and don't want to crash. No level padding is going to make that feel good. Plus it might trash my bike which is no good 5+ miles from a trail head.

    So I always ride within myself. I do push myself, but I take calculated risks rather than silly ones. So crashing is rare for me. Not saying it can't happen, but I ride to prevent crashing. If I come to something that is beyond my techincal skill level I have no shame in walking it. That said I don't shy away from that much either. Maybe I am differenet because I don't ride to "scare myself" or for the thrill of going fast. I ride for the satisfaction of it. I like the climbing or clearing a techincal section. I like the flowing descents and the challenge of the rocky ones. I love rolling down section of trail picking my way around rocks and other features. Just this saturday I was rolling down a fast smooth section of trail thinking to myself. "Watch your speed and don't crash". I ride alone neally all the time and don't have the option to crash and if I have to leave in little in reserve on a fast descent so be it.

    To me riding XC is about the entire trail. You ride the ups hard, you ride flats hard and you ride the descents hard. The goal is to ride the entire trail hard and if you crash on a descent you lose alot of time over all. It may not be a race, but a balanced way of looking at a ride. Some guys endure the climbs so that they can rip the descents. Maybe these guys will push harder on the descents. I enjoy the climbs as much as the descents and try to enjoy each and every mile.
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    Pretty much like everyone else said -- the weight and discomfort of the pads outweighs the risk of me crashing and hurting myself, at least in a typical XC setting. I've been mostly fine for about 14 yrs now, a few tumbles here and there, but really it isn't a big deal.

    I also tend to think that something light weight enough to not be noticeable really won't help with the crashing too much, either. If you want padding or protection, you have to pay the weight/heat penalty.

    But I do own knee, elbow/forearm pads and a full-face helmet. If I feel like wearing them, I do, regardless of what everyone else is wearing on the trail.
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    Except for the risk of overheating or heat stroke, I'd not discourage or stop anyone for wearing protective gears. People has different comfort level when riding what they consider to be technical who are we to pass the judgement.

    Pads minimized damage. When I wear them and crash I automatically roll because I know I'm protected, that break the fall and reduce breakage.


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    Pads are too hot for XC. I have a 661 vapor suit that's sometimes too hot for DH. I usually wear knee/shins & elbows for DH, unless its really cool out.

    Another problem is this: They have not yet invented knee pads that stay put. They all slide down sooner or later. Stopping to readjust stuff just gets irritating on a XC ride. Messing with pads in the lift line is no issue.

    I'd wear knees & elbows most of the time if I thought I could tolerate it, but just not happening.
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    Quote Originally Posted by highdelll View Post
    why no armor for xc??
    This is what happens when you wear armor on xc trail

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    omg!! Lol
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    I wear knee pads and elbow pads occasionnaly when the trails i will ride requiers them...i feel that a full camelback serves a as a good back protector... in fact i blew a few bladders over the years.

    Chest pad..in all honnesty nothing is made light enough to breath so i take my chances.

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    I can't stand riding with pads on. They're uncomfortable, hot, they stink and they never stay in place. I'll sometimes wear them when doing lift served DH, but that's it. I really don't see a point wearing them for XC riding. Sometimes you fall and get a little dinged up but that's part of mountain biking. Pads suck to pedal in because they're not designed for pedaling.

    I always chuckle when I see guys all padded up for an XC ride. Its like a wearing a DOT helmet for driving to work.
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    On rides like Like El Prieto and Luge here in SoCal (climbing 3 or 4 miles of fire roads for fun downhills), I take my G-Form elbow and kneepads. They're really compact and lightweight. I keep them in my pack for the climb up, then put them on for the downhill.

    I used to ride without, but my knees and forarms have taken a beating as of late. So I've relented and started to use them. They're not as protecive as full body armor, but it's better than nothing at all.

    They're comfortable and stay in place while pedalling. Not as hot as other types of pads either.

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    Also, I'm in my 40's so I really don't care about how they look or whether othe riders think I'm a wimp for wearing pads on the downhills.

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    Because I don't fall off very often, and when I do, it doesn't seem to do any damage. I wear canvas baggies over my lycra bibs. I wear a helmet that has never hit anything.

    However, I ride with a guy who DOES fall off, and no armor on the market would have protected him from the recent injuries he has suffered, all on different rides over the last couple of years, broken clavicle, concussion and a 33-stitch cut on his head (even though he wore a helmet), and broken humerus.

    Now he wears elbow pads so when he breaks his arm again he won't get nasty scratches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bad Idea View Post

    I have been considering a more protective helmet lately though. Several of the people I ride with have started to wear full faces. I don't see the need for the extra face coverage, but I would like something that might prevent a concussion a little better than my standard roadie-style lid. There doesn't seem to be much out there in that category though.
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    I am surprised at the number of people who are going out of their way to publicly admit that they judge other riders clothing in a way that is absolutely indistinguishable from a

    --Oh girl, those shoes with that belt, srsly?--

    kind of way. You can rationalize it all you want, talk about how all your knowledge and experience is informing an authoritative opinion on the sport of mountain biking...

    But really? Is the dude with the outrageously over-padded outfit trying to convert you? Trying to legislate against your kit? Going so slow that you can't enjoy the trail? Making you self-conscious about your life choices? Jeeez.

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    There are times when I sure could have used some pads! For that matter, I could have used a full-face helmet at least once!

    But in general, pads are just too uncomfortable and hot. Just not worth it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by highdelll View Post
    why no armor for XC??
    This is what happens when you wear armor on XC trail
    Running into people is bad form. Doesn't really matter if someone brakes quickly, falls in front of you, etc.--always leave enough space so that you can stop and/or evade.

    I think that the guy handled the situation well though. He took responsibility for screwing up, stuck around to make sure that she was OK, didn't escalate along with her, sincerely apologized, offered his name, etc. Had he responded like a lot of people are in this thread, things might have gone very, very badly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snfoilhat View Post
    I am surprised at the number of people who are going out of their way to publicly admit that they judge other riders clothing in a way that is absolutely indistinguishable from a

    --Oh girl, those shoes with that belt, srsly?--

    kind of way. You can rationalize it all you want, talk about how all your knowledge and experience is informing an authoritative opinion on the sport of mountain biking...

    But really? Is the dude with the outrageously over-padded outfit trying to convert you? Trying to legislate against your kit? Going so slow that you can't enjoy the trail? Making you self-conscious about your life choices? Jeeez.

    All the rep I can give in a day and a heartfelt apology to anyone who can rigorously argue that b1tching about FF vs. half shell helmet on someone else is any different from heels vs. wedges. Go.

    Heels and wedges aren't about safety. They're about some ugly style crap.

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    I'm quite new to the sport, only been riding for about 2 months and love it to death. I've thought about pads or armor of some kind...I tend to push myself pretty hard. I half jokingly say that if I'm not falling a few times per ride, I'm not pushing myself hard enough. I bit it pretty hard twice last time I was out and bruised my hip after going OTB. Do they even have hip armor?? =P

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    Many protective gear companies have a padded liner short to go under whatever baggy, shell-type short a rider might wear (for gravity riding, usually). Fox Launch, TLD BPxxxx, etc).

    DH-style shorts/pants w/ some motocross DNA in them (Fox Push pants, TLD Moto shorts) may have the simple, oval shaped pads that hook-and-loop into the waist and cover your hips.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AGarcia View Post
    On rides like Like El Prieto and Luge here in SoCal (climbing 3 or 4 miles of fire roads for fun downhills), I take my G-Form elbow and kneepads. They're really compact and lightweight. I keep them in my pack for the climb up, then put them on for the downhill.

    I used to ride without, but my knees and forarms have taken a beating as of late. So I've relented and started to use them. They're not as protecive as full body armor, but it's better than nothing at all.

    They're comfortable and stay in place while pedalling. Not as hot as other types of pads either.

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    Also, I'm in my 40's so I really don't care about how they look or whether othe riders think I'm a wimp for wearing pads on the downhills.
    Came here to post this. I wear my G-Form kneepads for XC/AM, and they barely protrude from underneath my baggies. I've got enough scars on my legs from over 20 years of biking, surfing and skating (not to mention a nice little zipper from an ACL reconstruction/menisciotomy) so I don't really care if someone thinks they're uncool. They're light enough that I hardly notice them, too.

    I say wear what you're comfortable with in terms of function and protectiveness, and screw the haters.

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    I remember when I first started ripping trails in NH. My helmet didn't even have a molded shell. Hell, my second helmet was a Specialized Sub 6 (high end,) and it didn't have a shell either. Mountain biking has come along way in the last twenty years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TobyGadd View Post
    Running into people is bad form. Doesn't really matter if someone brakes quickly, falls in front of you, etc.--always leave enough space so that you can stop and/or evade.

    I think that the guy handled the situation well though. He took responsibility for screwing up, stuck around to make sure that she was OK, didn't escalate along with her, sincerely apologized, offered his name, etc. Had he responded like a lot of people are in this thread, things might have gone very, very badly.
    I agree with this. The guy does the best he can after his screw up, tries to make it better, and she just wont let him. Don't get me wrong -- I've watched the pink storm trooper video many times, and always find it funny -- her antics and over-the-top reaction are classic. But if I were riding with my wife or sister or sister-in-law or mother (all of whom are women I ride with who aren't always the fastest, who might stop because they are suddenly freaked out by something on the trail, and none of whom would try to throw their bike at the guy!), and some dude ran into her from behind on a trail hard enough to knock her over, we would likely have a problem! If he gave her some attitude for stopping on the trail, even moreso.

    That said, thanks for posting that video again. Always entertaining!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tystevens View Post
    I agree with this. The guy does the best he can after his screw up, tries to make it better, and she just wont let him. Don't get me wrong -- I've watched the pink storm trooper video many times, and always find it funny -- her antics and over-the-top reaction are classic. But if I were riding with my wife or sister or sister-in-law or mother (all of whom are women I ride with who aren't always the fastest, who might stop because they are suddenly freaked out by something on the trail, and none of whom would try to throw their bike at the guy!), and some dude ran into her from behind on a trail hard enough to knock her over, we would likely have a problem! If he gave her some attitude for stopping on the trail, even moreso.

    That said, thanks for posting that video again. Always entertaining!
    Im with you, i actually think it was her fault, she slammed on the breaks in the middle of a flat trail and then carried on like she was a spoilt 5 year old kid, she was a disgrace to herself, she deserved to cop a mouthful after how she acted and throwing her bike at him, being a woman doesnt excuse you from acting like that....
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    Quote Originally Posted by PantslessWithWolves View Post
    Came here to post this. I wear my G-Form kneepads for XC/AM, and they barely protrude from underneath my baggies. I've got enough scars on my legs from over 20 years of biking, surfing and skating (not to mention a nice little zipper from an ACL reconstruction/menisciotomy) so I don't really care if someone thinks they're uncool. They're light enough that I hardly notice them, too.

    I say wear what you're comfortable with in terms of function and protectiveness, and screw the haters.
    I'm all for these. Been wearing the knee and elbow pads for the last 2 months. Now I can't ride without them. Make sure you get the right size and you'll get used to it pretty fast. G-Form is great stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KenInCa View Post
    I have to give a thumbs up for the person taking the video how well he handled the situation! Yeah there was fault in both parties, but come on, Drama queen! That's what the pads are for! Definitely not a fashion statement!
    I'm glad women are into our sport and everything, but if you want to play with the boys, you have to toughen up. Except for bumblebee, I couldn't imagine a guy freaking out like that.

    Now, as far as protective gear is concerned, dude... you have to look the part. If you're riding XC, you HAVE to look like you're riding XC. That means shave your legs, lycra, visorless helmet, team kit, etc. This will increase your power output and your watts. If you get in the top 5 on a Cat 1 Strava climb and not wearing the previously mentioned uniform, you may get flagged. I'm just saying.

    Conversely, if you're riding freeride or downhill, you have to wear baggy stuff. And a full face. And walk your bikes up hills. AND! A cool haircut.

    I really don't understand why this is even a thread. Obviously, none of you have learned that fashion is a big part of mountain biking, and it clearly states what type of riding you do. There comes a time in a rider's life where they have to decide what type of rider they want to be.

    You can't mix and match i.e. wearing a lycra kit on a downhill bike or baggy stuff on a XC bike. It's just all wrong.

    Sometimes I starve myself to make sure my arms are only 10" in diameter, wear a team kit, walk into Starbucks and talk about doing intervals. This way, everybody knows I ride XC. That's in the Spring and Summer.

    In the winter, I wear ironic neon colors, grow out my hair (add gel), and drink a lot of beer and say things like "hucking" and talk about wide handlebars. This way, people know I'm into DH.

    Moral of the story - fashion and what people think about you are most important. More important than anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    I really don't understand why this is even a thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    Sometimes I starve myself to make sure my arms are only 10" in diameter,


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    Quote Originally Posted by NateHawk View Post


    Dion, man, you've let yourself go
    Actually, I had to lose all that and slim up for riding.

    People always talk about heavy lifting, heavy squats, big bench presses - did nothing but hurt my riding. I can actually afford to drop another 20lbs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by ambassadorhawg View Post
    Too restrictive. The idea is to wear minimalist attire in XC riding to shed bulk and weight, and to streamline.

    Besides, having fun involves taking some risk. Heck I fell 150 feet down a steep mountainside last Fall and I wasn't wearing any body armor/pads/protection. I'm still here and I'm still not wearing any sort of body armor/pads/protection other than my helmet and full fingered gloves.
    Plenty of people ride and fall without a helmet on and live to tell, but you're still wearing one. That's because your risk tolerance says it's dumb not to. I think the same about other protective gear.

    I fell on a relatively easy, flat trail where you'd think injury was very unlikely, and I clipped a sapling and bruised my kidney, broke my hand, and spent the entire summer off the saddle and unable to do my job.

    **** happens, gear is nice...as much as you can allow yourself to ride with. One my only beefs with this hobby is that I can't gear up like I do on my motorcycle, where armor is much easier to ride with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by highdelll View Post
    why no armor for XC??
    This is what happens when you wear armor on XC trail

    <iframe width="853" height="480" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/LBmxDNqU8K4" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
    This version leaves out one of my favorite parts: When he meets up with his friend at the end of the run, and it all freaked out thinking he was in the wrong, and says he needs to erase this video.

    Instead, it has been a HUGE viral hit, and he comes out looking pretty gracious, and her a total b!tch.
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    I have never seen that footage before, but that Pink Stormtrooper video is awesome! I could watch it over and over! That dude should win an award as far as I'm concerned!

    My favorite pose of hers is this:



    GRRRRR!!!!! HISS! HISS! ROARRRRR!!!!

    Is that a pissed off honey badger or what? Looking at this picture, can't you hear growling? Hissing? Like a wolverine ready to take down some prey?

    I just can't stop laughing.....at her! Awesome!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Giant Chachi View Post
    I have never seen that footage before, but that Pink Stormtrooper video is awesome! I could watch it over and over! That dude should win an award as far as I'm concerned!

    Is that a pissed off honey badger or what? Looking at this picture, can't you hear growling? Hissing? Like a wolverine ready to take down some prey?

    I just can't stop laughing.....at her! Awesome!
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    Quote Originally Posted by shibiwan View Post
    That's why they should all stay in the kitchen and not try to keep up with the boys!

    *ducking to avoid flying stiletto heels*

    -S
    Hey, I'll certainly give a lady on the trail props for many reasons, by all means. But this one is just over the top.....and I guess I will be ducking stiletto heels with you.....as I just got negative repped for my comment and post just above yours! I think the Pink Stormtropper is on MTBR!
    *2016 Transition Patrol Carbon (aka: Sweet Pea)

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    Allright, I just had to make this, it needed to be done. I wanted to the first time I saw this video making the rounds, but was too lazy.

    Here ya go, I call it rar-gurlll
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    rOCktoberfest 2015 pt II here

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    Quote Originally Posted by shawnt2012 View Post
    Oh I wish my face was that saddle....
    Really? I get Neg' rep for that?

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