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    I am sure it is already said in here somewhere but I'm not going to read all of the debate. Volume-shmolume...

    ECONOMICS and CAPITALISM

    The industry will supply what the consumer demands. Price is set on what the industry is able to extract from the consumer. It has nothing to do with quantity or quality. Funny thing about a market, but you should know it is not controlled by the consumer.

    Non related item that is way overpriced

    Diamonds (you know they are not rare, right?) How long have we been told an engagement ring needs to be 3 months salary? Wanna bet that was the industry that drives the price?

    Solar Panels Prices have not come down as much as you would hope. Recently they have gone up by nearly the exact amount that the government rebate offers, about 1/3 the cost. So now what used to be a $20K system runs you about $27k. Fortunately the industry works it out for you by running 2 separate loans. One for your cost and the other for the $7K (projected rebate) at zero interest for one year. That way when you get the rebate, you just sign it over to the solar company and you are good, right? Oh, wait...(if you can't see it, talk to someone who knows finance)

    There are lots of ways the market is looking to get more money from you. How is that new and improved cell plan the big V offered you?

    Ever looked at the decreasing sizes in food portions? Prices remain relatively flat but the per serving cost has gone up. There are uncountable examples of this.

    It is all about getting the $$$$ in your wallet into their pockets.

    Complaining (sorry, discussing) here does nothing. If you want a nice bike, there are plenty of alternatives. If you bought the bill of goods that state you HAVE to buy X bike, you are exactly the type consumer the market will eat up and spit out much poorer. They do not exist for your benefit. It is quite the other way around. Just start shopping smarter and love what you ride rather than trying to keep up with the Jones.

    Biking is to the industry what golf was just a few years ago. There are lots of dollars out there ready to be spent. Of course, everything new will make you better. Since it is on the internet, it must be true.
    Apathy will get you exactly what you deserve

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    Yup, totally well said. Basically why I have said the companies are trying to convince you what they have in the new year is "so much better" than what you have now. And because of that, there's a big rush to recoup the cost of what they've built today and sell it all (almost all) so that they can make the most profits from that crop of stuff and then get us on the "new stuff".

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    Quote Originally Posted by tiretracks View Post
    Wow I suspected a db, this may have confirmed it.
    What this confirms about you is that you're more likely to throw out an anonymous insult than respond with an intelligent post with some insightful ideas, pro or con. Anonymous insults require virtually no smarts. You very well might be a super intelligent and insightful person, but a post like this sure doesn't show it. Why not add a good idea to the debate instead of an insult?
    Are you really sure about that?

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    This chart belongs here. Discuss.....

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    29er = Hybrid Bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moefosho View Post
    DiamondBacks are not the best bikes...
    I don't think "db" means Diamond Back...lol. At least not in that post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shakester View Post
    I don't think "db" means Diamond Back...lol. At least not in that post.
    Haha I know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moefosho View Post
    Haha I know.
    I had a feeling you did. LOL..

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    Quote Originally Posted by MSLKauai View Post
    What's NOT SO OBVIOUS is how did the biking industry generate this pricing premium when obviously their products involve far less engineering, R&D and manufacturing costs than far more complex products.

    I suppose with all of your credentials you should have no problem explaining $3,000 fly rods to me. Or $1,200 lamps. $1,400 Cocker Spaniels? Everyone I know who golfs has a $500 driver in their bag, and that's just a hunk of aluminum glued to a graphite stick!

    Why single out mountain biking?

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    Quote Originally Posted by J.B. Weld View Post
    I suppose with all of your credentials you should have no problem explaining $3,000 fly rods to me. Or $1,200 lamps. $1,400 Cocker Spaniels? Everyone I know who golfs has a $500 driver in their bag, and that's just a hunk of aluminum glued to a graphite stick!

    Why single out mountain biking?
    JB, just like my bike. I see no improvement in the new drivers vs. what I am hitting now (close to 10 years I think). At this point, my clubs are as good as I need an it's the nut behind the wheel that determines the success or lack of the shot. And no, I didn't pay anywhere close to $500 for it. And....it's titanium, not aluminum. But I'm must being a punk. It does have carbon fiber though..................hehe.

    OK, yes, true point there for sure. Our capitalism basically caught on to mountain biking and people want to cash in on it and get their "cut".

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    What kind of drivers are you guys using? I have a top of the line Nike Covert driver that I paid $300 for brand new.

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    I bought my Ben Hogan Eye-O-Matic persimmon driver for one dollar in a bin at a thrift store and like it just fine.

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    Why are nice bikes so frigging expensive?

    As others have posted earlier..we pay what the market will bear. Unless you're some professional rider and get bikes and swag gratis, we are stuck..capitalism at its best.

    It's the same discussion as why people wear a Rolex, drive Ferraris' and can afford kick ass go-fast cigar boats..because that is what people will pay.

    I agree though..paying $2-3k for a bicycle is crazy..but if you can afford it..why not. I just got my first MB last week for $250 off of CL (2010 Trek 3900 Disc) and am more than stoked..it is the nicest bike I ever owned.

    If I could afford it I would buy some crazy DH bomber..they look so frigging cool with the big suspension..but I can't.

    Funny, about the golf equipment perspective..seems I'm following a similar path..as I also play golf..but the same argument. Would I pay $500 for a brand new Titleist 913..no..but a lot of people do/can..







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    Quote Originally Posted by taprackbang View Post

    I agree though..paying $2-3k for a bicycle is crazy..but if you can afford it..why not. I just got my first MB last week for $250 off of CL (2010 Trek 3900 Disc) and am more than stoked..it is the nicest bike I ever owned.

    If I could afford it I would buy some crazy DH bomber..they look so frigging cool with the big suspension..but I can't.

    Funny, about the golf equipment perspective..seems I'm following a similar path..as I also play golf..but the same argument. Would I pay $500 for a brand new Titleist 913..no..but a lot of people do/can..

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    I guess that's the point. Mountain biking for most of us is our hobby (our porn) and some of us can and are willing to pay higher rates for the stuff. I for one don't get new stuff every year and take care of the stuff and don't mind paying for the stuff when I do get it. But I agree, the prices are up quite a bit now compared to before. Example being XT stuff used to be under $100, XTR stuff was a couple hundred tops. Not so anymore.

    And golf, yes, I'm still hitting my circa 2005 Macgregor driver. I'm a good 20 years older then a lot of "kids" I play with and still out drive them while they're using they're latest greatest 5-6-700 dollar drivers. More importantly, I'm still playing with my old school Macgregor (70's era) irons and loving them and out scoring them. Like I said up top, it's the nut behind the wheel and my sticks are not the limiting factor at this point.

    But yes, well said, I've seen it with golf and now see it with mountain biking. People will pay. As much as there are complaints out there about the prices, the stuff we have to choose from is TONS better than what I had to engineer together for my desires back in the 80's. AND, there are so many great choices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J.B. Weld View Post
    I suppose with all of your credentials you should have no problem explaining $3,000 fly rods to me. Or $1,200 lamps. $1,400 Cocker Spaniels? Everyone I know who golfs has a $500 driver in their bag, and that's just a hunk of aluminum glued to a graphite stick!

    Why single out mountain biking?
    I would never spend 3000 on a fly rod...

    unless...

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    Quote Originally Posted by J-Bone View Post
    I would never spend 3000 on a fly rod...

    unless...
    And my friends think I'm nuts to have a $1000 casting reel/rod combo for bass fishing. I actually have a few set ups like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shakester View Post
    And my friends think I'm nuts to have a $1000 casting reel/rod combo for bass fishing. I actually have a few set ups like that.
    Needs more servo motors, and some electronic control feature called Syncro Release.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Circlip View Post
    Needs more servo motors, and some electronic control feature called Syncro Release.
    Whoa! Slow down. This might turn into a discussion on whether electronics have any part in the sport (of fishing), and whether people should be allowed to fish in lakes that don't allow motor (vehicles) with those rods.

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    Because the finer things in life are expensive, as they should be.
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    Back to subject though…a bike is just like most consumer items out there so complaining about it is pretty useless. Not everyone can afford a Ferrari or Lamborghini which are what these $6000+ bikes are in the bike world. You can spend $2000 and get yourself a pretty kick ass bike. Just don't expect to buy a Honda and expect it to have the engine or performance of a Ferrari.

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    Because they are worth it!

    Because they are worth it!

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    OK, so here's a bit of humor my friend put together from our previous trip to New Zealand.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgSb0adV1pI

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shakester View Post
    Just don't expect to buy a Honda and expect it to have the engine or performance of a Ferrari.
    ..but I bet Jeff Gordon can drive circles around me in that Honda and me behind the wheel of the Ferrari.

    I would bet that if John Tomac got on my $250 Craigslist MB, he would be a match for anyone here.

    Performance is so subjective..I have a couple of Scotty Cameron putters..both obscenely expensive for a putter..seriously..it's a putter..but oh..it is sooooo nice. Does it guarantee me birdies and pars on every green..yea..right. In the hands of Adam Scott, probably.

    I have a full frame camera, do my photos appear on National Geoographic..nope..but it is sooooo nice (but there is a noticeable difference in IQ with full frame sensors) and made so well.

    I have a nice set of forged Mizuno irons. Do they make me play better, no, I could probably play the same with a new or older set..but it is soooo nice.

    I have a few guns, does one shoot more accurately then the other..nope..but each one is soooo nice in it's own way.

    So in conclusion, to me, performance/value is in the eye of the beholder..but I would still love to have a FS DH bike..they are soooooo cool. (..and I would have to get $500 Troy Design helmet..)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wherewolf View Post
    Because they are worth it!
    ..yeah, I know what you mean. I'm a cheap a$$ and will look for the cheapest beer available..this Korean beer called "Hite" is so frigging good..I paid $3.99/6 pack at the local asian supermarket..then I'll go to Costco and drop $60 on a couple bottles of wine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taprackbang View Post
    ..yeah, I know what you mean. I'm a cheap a$$ and will look for the cheapest beer available..this Korean beer called "Hite" is so frigging good..I paid $3.99/6 pack at the local asian supermarket..then I'll go to Costco and drop $60 on a couple bottles of wine.
    Is that Korean beer so good because its so cheap? =P

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    Quote Originally Posted by taprackbang View Post
    ..yeah, I know what you mean. I'm a cheap a$$ and will look for the cheapest beer available..this Korean beer called "Hite" is so frigging good..I paid $3.99/6 pack at the local asian supermarket..then I'll go to Costco and drop $60 on a couple bottles of wine.
    Life is WAAAAAYYY too short to drink cheap crummy beer!
    Are you really sure about that?

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