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    I am sure it is already said in here somewhere but I'm not going to read all of the debate. Volume-shmolume...

    ECONOMICS and CAPITALISM

    The industry will supply what the consumer demands. Price is set on what the industry is able to extract from the consumer. It has nothing to do with quantity or quality. Funny thing about a market, but you should know it is not controlled by the consumer.

    Non related item that is way overpriced

    Diamonds (you know they are not rare, right?) How long have we been told an engagement ring needs to be 3 months salary? Wanna bet that was the industry that drives the price?

    Solar Panels Prices have not come down as much as you would hope. Recently they have gone up by nearly the exact amount that the government rebate offers, about 1/3 the cost. So now what used to be a $20K system runs you about $27k. Fortunately the industry works it out for you by running 2 separate loans. One for your cost and the other for the $7K (projected rebate) at zero interest for one year. That way when you get the rebate, you just sign it over to the solar company and you are good, right? Oh, wait...(if you can't see it, talk to someone who knows finance)

    There are lots of ways the market is looking to get more money from you. How is that new and improved cell plan the big V offered you?

    Ever looked at the decreasing sizes in food portions? Prices remain relatively flat but the per serving cost has gone up. There are uncountable examples of this.

    It is all about getting the $$$$ in your wallet into their pockets.

    Complaining (sorry, discussing) here does nothing. If you want a nice bike, there are plenty of alternatives. If you bought the bill of goods that state you HAVE to buy X bike, you are exactly the type consumer the market will eat up and spit out much poorer. They do not exist for your benefit. It is quite the other way around. Just start shopping smarter and love what you ride rather than trying to keep up with the Jones.

    Biking is to the industry what golf was just a few years ago. There are lots of dollars out there ready to be spent. Of course, everything new will make you better. Since it is on the internet, it must be true.
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    Yup, totally well said. Basically why I have said the companies are trying to convince you what they have in the new year is "so much better" than what you have now. And because of that, there's a big rush to recoup the cost of what they've built today and sell it all (almost all) so that they can make the most profits from that crop of stuff and then get us on the "new stuff".

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    Quote Originally Posted by tiretracks View Post
    Wow I suspected a db, this may have confirmed it.
    What this confirms about you is that you're more likely to throw out an anonymous insult than respond with an intelligent post with some insightful ideas, pro or con. Anonymous insults require virtually no smarts. You very well might be a super intelligent and insightful person, but a post like this sure doesn't show it. Why not add a good idea to the debate instead of an insult?
    Are you really sure about that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by moefosho View Post
    DiamondBacks are not the best bikes...
    I don't think "db" means Diamond Back...lol. At least not in that post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shakester View Post
    I don't think "db" means Diamond Back...lol. At least not in that post.
    Haha I know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moefosho View Post
    Haha I know.
    I had a feeling you did. LOL..

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    Quote Originally Posted by MSLKauai View Post
    What's NOT SO OBVIOUS is how did the biking industry generate this pricing premium when obviously their products involve far less engineering, R&D and manufacturing costs than far more complex products.

    I suppose with all of your credentials you should have no problem explaining $3,000 fly rods to me. Or $1,200 lamps. $1,400 Cocker Spaniels? Everyone I know who golfs has a $500 driver in their bag, and that's just a hunk of aluminum glued to a graphite stick!

    Why single out mountain biking?

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    Quote Originally Posted by J.B. Weld View Post
    I suppose with all of your credentials you should have no problem explaining $3,000 fly rods to me. Or $1,200 lamps. $1,400 Cocker Spaniels? Everyone I know who golfs has a $500 driver in their bag, and that's just a hunk of aluminum glued to a graphite stick!

    Why single out mountain biking?
    JB, just like my bike. I see no improvement in the new drivers vs. what I am hitting now (close to 10 years I think). At this point, my clubs are as good as I need an it's the nut behind the wheel that determines the success or lack of the shot. And no, I didn't pay anywhere close to $500 for it. And....it's titanium, not aluminum. But I'm must being a punk. It does have carbon fiber though..................hehe.

    OK, yes, true point there for sure. Our capitalism basically caught on to mountain biking and people want to cash in on it and get their "cut".

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    What kind of drivers are you guys using? I have a top of the line Nike Covert driver that I paid $300 for brand new.

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    I bought my Ben Hogan Eye-O-Matic persimmon driver for one dollar in a bin at a thrift store and like it just fine.

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    Why are nice bikes so frigging expensive?

    As others have posted earlier..we pay what the market will bear. Unless you're some professional rider and get bikes and swag gratis, we are stuck..capitalism at its best.

    It's the same discussion as why people wear a Rolex, drive Ferraris' and can afford kick ass go-fast cigar boats..because that is what people will pay.

    I agree though..paying $2-3k for a bicycle is crazy..but if you can afford it..why not. I just got my first MB last week for $250 off of CL (2010 Trek 3900 Disc) and am more than stoked..it is the nicest bike I ever owned.

    If I could afford it I would buy some crazy DH bomber..they look so frigging cool with the big suspension..but I can't.

    Funny, about the golf equipment perspective..seems I'm following a similar path..as I also play golf..but the same argument. Would I pay $500 for a brand new Titleist 913..no..but a lot of people do/can..







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    Quote Originally Posted by taprackbang View Post

    I agree though..paying $2-3k for a bicycle is crazy..but if you can afford it..why not. I just got my first MB last week for $250 off of CL (2010 Trek 3900 Disc) and am more than stoked..it is the nicest bike I ever owned.

    If I could afford it I would buy some crazy DH bomber..they look so frigging cool with the big suspension..but I can't.

    Funny, about the golf equipment perspective..seems I'm following a similar path..as I also play golf..but the same argument. Would I pay $500 for a brand new Titleist 913..no..but a lot of people do/can..

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    I guess that's the point. Mountain biking for most of us is our hobby (our porn) and some of us can and are willing to pay higher rates for the stuff. I for one don't get new stuff every year and take care of the stuff and don't mind paying for the stuff when I do get it. But I agree, the prices are up quite a bit now compared to before. Example being XT stuff used to be under $100, XTR stuff was a couple hundred tops. Not so anymore.

    And golf, yes, I'm still hitting my circa 2005 Macgregor driver. I'm a good 20 years older then a lot of "kids" I play with and still out drive them while they're using they're latest greatest 5-6-700 dollar drivers. More importantly, I'm still playing with my old school Macgregor (70's era) irons and loving them and out scoring them. Like I said up top, it's the nut behind the wheel and my sticks are not the limiting factor at this point.

    But yes, well said, I've seen it with golf and now see it with mountain biking. People will pay. As much as there are complaints out there about the prices, the stuff we have to choose from is TONS better than what I had to engineer together for my desires back in the 80's. AND, there are so many great choices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J.B. Weld View Post
    I suppose with all of your credentials you should have no problem explaining $3,000 fly rods to me. Or $1,200 lamps. $1,400 Cocker Spaniels? Everyone I know who golfs has a $500 driver in their bag, and that's just a hunk of aluminum glued to a graphite stick!

    Why single out mountain biking?
    I would never spend 3000 on a fly rod...

    unless...

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    Quote Originally Posted by J-Bone View Post
    I would never spend 3000 on a fly rod...

    unless...
    And my friends think I'm nuts to have a $1000 casting reel/rod combo for bass fishing. I actually have a few set ups like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shakester View Post
    And my friends think I'm nuts to have a $1000 casting reel/rod combo for bass fishing. I actually have a few set ups like that.
    Needs more servo motors, and some electronic control feature called Syncro Release.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Circlip View Post
    Needs more servo motors, and some electronic control feature called Syncro Release.
    Whoa! Slow down. This might turn into a discussion on whether electronics have any part in the sport (of fishing), and whether people should be allowed to fish in lakes that don't allow motor (vehicles) with those rods.

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    Because the finer things in life are expensive, as they should be.

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    Back to subject though…a bike is just like most consumer items out there so complaining about it is pretty useless. Not everyone can afford a Ferrari or Lamborghini which are what these $6000+ bikes are in the bike world. You can spend $2000 and get yourself a pretty kick ass bike. Just don't expect to buy a Honda and expect it to have the engine or performance of a Ferrari.

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    Because they are worth it!

    Because they are worth it!

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    OK, so here's a bit of humor my friend put together from our previous trip to New Zealand.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgSb0adV1pI

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shakester View Post
    Just don't expect to buy a Honda and expect it to have the engine or performance of a Ferrari.
    ..but I bet Jeff Gordon can drive circles around me in that Honda and me behind the wheel of the Ferrari.

    I would bet that if John Tomac got on my $250 Craigslist MB, he would be a match for anyone here.

    Performance is so subjective..I have a couple of Scotty Cameron putters..both obscenely expensive for a putter..seriously..it's a putter..but oh..it is sooooo nice. Does it guarantee me birdies and pars on every green..yea..right. In the hands of Adam Scott, probably.

    I have a full frame camera, do my photos appear on National Geoographic..nope..but it is sooooo nice (but there is a noticeable difference in IQ with full frame sensors) and made so well.

    I have a nice set of forged Mizuno irons. Do they make me play better, no, I could probably play the same with a new or older set..but it is soooo nice.

    I have a few guns, does one shoot more accurately then the other..nope..but each one is soooo nice in it's own way.

    So in conclusion, to me, performance/value is in the eye of the beholder..but I would still love to have a FS DH bike..they are soooooo cool. (..and I would have to get $500 Troy Design helmet..)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wherewolf View Post
    Because they are worth it!
    ..yeah, I know what you mean. I'm a cheap a$$ and will look for the cheapest beer available..this Korean beer called "Hite" is so frigging good..I paid $3.99/6 pack at the local asian supermarket..then I'll go to Costco and drop $60 on a couple bottles of wine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taprackbang View Post
    ..yeah, I know what you mean. I'm a cheap a$$ and will look for the cheapest beer available..this Korean beer called "Hite" is so frigging good..I paid $3.99/6 pack at the local asian supermarket..then I'll go to Costco and drop $60 on a couple bottles of wine.
    Is that Korean beer so good because its so cheap? =P

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    Quote Originally Posted by taprackbang View Post
    ..yeah, I know what you mean. I'm a cheap a$$ and will look for the cheapest beer available..this Korean beer called "Hite" is so frigging good..I paid $3.99/6 pack at the local asian supermarket..then I'll go to Costco and drop $60 on a couple bottles of wine.
    Life is WAAAAAYYY too short to drink cheap crummy beer!
    Are you really sure about that?

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    no, it's quite refreshing..like a Miller Lite..

    but..there is absolutely nothing on this planet that is tastier than a Miller Lite, in a can, that has been saturating inside cooler of ice for hours..it is crack..don't ever try it this way..you have been warned..drink of the gods.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MSLKauai View Post
    cheap crummy beer!
    AKA: Poison

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    The high-end builds for bikes are more expensive than ever, approaching 10K. I could never afford that. But I still ride an awesome bike all the time.....

    Modern aggressive trail/AM bikes are like spaceships compared to bikes of the past. They pedal well, even the aluminum frames are light, and they descend as good or better than many 10 year old downhill bikes. My 2012 Stumpjumper evo feels like a mini downhill bike that pedals. It allows me to ascend with efficiency and descend really technical stuff.

    Newsflash:

    NEW BIKES ARE EXPENSIVE

    CARBON BIKES ARE EXPENSIVE

    BIKES WITH FANCY **** STRAPPED TO THEM ARE EXPENSIVE

    Solution?

    Buy a used lower end aluminum build of a modern bike. The new aluminum frames are lighter than before. Rear suspensions both pedal and descend better. If you need fancier components and don't want to throw down the big bucks then wait for deals on ebay, jenson, CL, or elsewhere.

    I bought my 2012 FSR Stumpjumper Evo Comp for $1600 on ebay + $150 in upgrades.

    My friend just built up a Carbon hardtail 29er on a used frame for less than $1500.

    Other friend got a 2013 Carbon FSR Stumpy Evo Expert for $2400 off ebay + $250 in upgrades.

    Other friend is selling his good condition couple year old Giant Glory for $1800.

    Sure, the lower end bikes were cheaper in the past, but these new ones are better. Sometimes I ride my buddies hardtail loaner bike that he built up for $500 and spare parts in his garage. It's a sweet little bike, but I have no problem paying the $1000-1500 more necessary to get a newer full suspension bike. It's worth it to me. $10k not worth it, $2000 is worth it.

    The bike industry is not "unsustainable." The bike industry is doing awesome. If you want the worlds greatest mountain bike of all time then spend $10k. If you want a pretty damn sweet bike then buy a used one for $1500 - $3000. If you want things to be like 1993 then buy an old frame and put cheap **** on it, like my buddy did for well under $1000.

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    Whats been getting me is how expensive tires can be! I'm seeing some for almost $100 now. My off road car tire was only a bit more than that. My road car tire was maybe twice that, but lasts for multiple thousands of miles.

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    It's all relative and, like many have posted, simply supply and demand.

    I choose to ride >$1500 MTB bikes because that's what appeals to me. Could I buy some low-ball bike from BD? Sure but why? I prefer to support the LBS's and buy locally.

    As for costs, I've spent over $15k in camera gear since getting back into photography in 2005, and I don't even have high-end gear anymore - technology being what it is these days. Like bikes, photography has gear available from bargin-basement to top-flight.

    I'm commercially rated by the FAA to fly helicopters and airplanes, and a flight instructor in helicopters. I've spent over $35k in training costs and flying is EXPENSIVE just about everywhere you want to train.

    So, yes, bikes can be expensive but only if you want them to be. Buy what you can afford and don't worry about anything (or anyone) else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by root View Post
    Whats been getting me is how expensive tires can be! I'm seeing some for almost $100 now. My off road car tire was only a bit more than that. My road car tire was maybe twice that, but lasts for multiple thousands of miles.
    You can't compare the two. Automobile tires are made in extremely large volumes, while MTB tires are not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KR65 View Post
    I'm commercially rated by the FAA to fly helicopters and airplanes, and a flight instructor in helicopters.
    That is about as cool as it gets!!

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    OP, I can see what you are trying to get at in comparing the price of mountain bikes to other items that are more complex and less expensive. But if you are going to call out high-end bikes for being too expensive for what they are, you are forgetting a lot of even more ridiculously-priced goods.

    A big example would be clothes and fashion accessories like bags and shoes. Several hundred dollars for a pair of jeans? $1000+ for shoes and bags that are essentially hunks of leather? The list can go on and on.

    In the end though, you can get a perfectly serviceable bike for less than $1000. Mountain biking is certainly not the cheapest hobby you can get into, but the market gives you enough choice that you can choose how expensive a hobby it will be for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nugzboltz View Post
    OP, I can see what you are trying to get at in comparing the price of mountain bikes to other items that are more complex and less expensive. But if you are going to call out high-end bikes for being too expensive for what they are, you are forgetting a lot of even more ridiculously-priced goods.
    No. This is a MTB forum, not a forum for other items that may also have ridiculously priced counterparts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Cycle Shawn View Post
    You can't compare the two. Automobile tires are made in extremely large volumes, while MTB tires are not.
    You're hilarious. You can buy a crappy MTB tire for pretty much the same price as a crappy car tire is. You can buy a silly expensive MTB tire for less than a silly expensive car tire--but there's much less rubber as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zowie View Post
    You're hilarious. You can buy a crappy MTB tire for pretty much the same price as a crappy car tire is. You can buy a silly expensive MTB tire for less than a silly expensive car tire--but there's much less rubber as well.
    Generally MTB tires are more expensive then car tires if you factor in the materials used and production time involved. I could also spend more for a new mountain bike then a new KTM 500. It's all supply and demand and economies of scale.

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    Why are nice bikes so frigging expensive?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Cycle Shawn View Post
    Generally MTB tires are more expensive then car tires if you factor in the materials used and production time involved. I could also spend more for a new mountain bike then a new KTM 500. It's all supply and demand and economies of scale.
    Don't forget that economies of scale affect R&D as well. "Materials used" is probably one of the smallest factors on price of a bike tire, on par with shipping, if not below.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rpet View Post
    Don't forget that economies of scale affect R&D as well. "Materials used" is probably one of the smallest factors on price of a bike tire, on par with shipping, if not below.
    The same could be said for all expenses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trboxman View Post
    No. This is a MTB forum, not a forum for other items that may also have ridiculously priced counterparts.
    I suppose you missed all of the other non-mtb items that the OP made a comparison to?

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    Nice bikes are expensive but the definition of nice changes so features that were once found only on nice, high-end bikes are now standard on the more reasonably priced bikes.

    There is a limit to what I will spend on a bike but generally, and I've said this before, in a world where most of my money goes towards things I don't really want to pay for, about the only place I enjoy spending money is at the bike store.

    Mountain biking is a hobby. I saw a Mongoose Fatbike at Meier's today for $249. It's heavy and single speed but it looked perfectly serviceable and that is the entry barrier to going for a ride on the trails. I know money is tight and times are tough for a lot of people but if they are that tough maybe you need to eschew the hobbies for a while in the interest of working more.

    Am I right? The entry barrier for a "real" mountain bike seems to be around $400. This is not outrageous. Heck, eBay is full of older but once-top-of-the-line bikes for not much more than that.

    Am I the only one who thinks modern, quality mountain bikes are a good value? I had a 2011 Specialized Enduro that I rode for almost two years putting almost 4000 miles on it and except for wear items all it needed was a fork service after a few thousand miles. Oh. And I broke a couple of spokes.

    Then I put a Hammerschmidt on it and eventually decided 29ers were the way to go and sold it for about half of what I payed.

    My 1992 Bridgestone MB4 needed regular maintenance and would have disintegrated on some of the trails I ride when I'm feeling like an easy ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MSLKauai View Post
    After a great ride yesterday afternoon, about a dozen of us were talking in the parking lot, mostly about bikes and how expensive they are for a relatively simple product. And we started listing all the things you can buy for what a high end mountain bike can cost - let's say $7,000. For instance:

    1. A very capable dirt bike
    2. A high end refrigerator
    3. A high end computer + high end phone + printer + iPad + a full year of phone and internet service
    4. 3 nice large flat screen TV's.
    5. Replace the engine on your car
    6. At least 7 very nice firearms
    7. An entry level small travel trailer
    8. 2 sets of nice skis/boots/poles + very nice ski clothes and accessories
    9. Kayak + Tent + all necessary camping gear + fishing pole
    10. Snowmobile
    11. Waverunner

    And many other things. It just doesn't seem, when you stand a bicycle next to these other things, that it should cost anywhere near this. Granted, you can get a pretty nice bike for let's say $3,500 but still, it seems like a great bike should be possible for <$1,000 given how little raw materials go into it. Seriously, is a full suspension frame really THAT complicated compared to these other products? And it's not like bikes are even that durable. Forks and shocks need servicing every couple of months if you ride regularly!
    I have the same struggle with understanding the current cost of mountain bikes. I can buy a brand new KTM 350 EXC dirt bike for less money than the latest, top-shelf carbon framed, Chinese-made, Santa Cruz Bronson (for example). Basic economics aside, it makes no sense from an engineering standpoint that a bicycle costs more than an Austrian made dirt bike with a better more robust suspension, a water-cooled engine and all the engineering that goes into that system working together rather flawlessly.

    It makes no sense from a manufacturing perspective: A bicycle is a relatively simple machine of relatively few parts and can be built in minutes by kids in a sweat-shop. Compare that to the complexity, time and amount of parts that goes into manufacturing a KTM 350 EXC.

    Compared to other luxury items high-end mountain bikes are NOT hand-made in Switzerland. They don't take days to build or hours of painstaking hand-fitting performed by experts. They are a liability, they will not increase in value. They are not rare. They are not exclusive.

    I've come to the conclusion that there is no justifiable excuse to pay for a product that simply is not worth $5000+ dollars which is why I will never pay full retail for a bicycle.

    Of course on the flip side, my wife thinks that paying $2500 for a used carbon SB-66 is outrageous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jutt77 View Post
    I have the same struggle with understanding the current cost of mountain bikes. I can buy a brand new KTM 350 EXC dirt bike for less money than the latest, top-shelf carbon framed, Chinese-made, Santa Cruz Bronson (for example). Basic economics aside, it makes no sense from an engineering standpoint that a bicycle costs more than an Austrian made dirt bike with a better more robust suspension, a water-cooled engine and all the engineering that goes into that system working together rather flawlessly.

    It makes no sense from a manufacturing perspective: A bicycle is a relatively simple machine of relatively few parts and can be built in minutes by kids in a sweat-shop. Compare that to the complexity, time and amount of parts that goes into manufacturing a KTM 350 EXC.

    Compared to other luxury items high-end mountain bikes are NOT hand-made in Switzerland. They don't take days to build or hours of painstaking hand-fitting performed by experts. They are a liability, they will not increase in value. They are not rare. They are not exclusive.

    I've come to the conclusion that there is no justifiable excuse to pay for a product that simply is not worth $5000+ dollars which is why I will never pay full retail for a bicycle.

    Of course on the flip side, my wife thinks that paying $2500 for a used carbon SB-66 is outrageous.

    Economies of Scale, Supply and Demand, what people are willing to pay and other things are all factors in setting the price of a particular product. Both KTM and Santa Cruz are not having any problem selling their products. If anything, owning a KTM 530, I would say that they are a bargain, while the high end SC Bronson is fairly priced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Cycle Shawn View Post
    The same could be said for all expenses.
    Like eating?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zowie View Post
    Like eating?
    Stick with the context of the posting. I was referring to expenses involved in bringing a product to market. Eating is something we all have to do.

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    Ooops, you're right, that isn't a good example of your blanket statement. Sorry.

    I guess the same couldn't be said for all expenses?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zowie View Post
    Ooops, you're right, that isn't a good example of your blanket statement. Sorry.

    I guess the same couldn't be said for all expenses?
    Well, I guess you're kinda right. Food is a product and it's price is affected by a companies expenses bringing it to market. Sorry for the previous post.

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    halo models of anything are going to be expensive, just that the top end mountain bikes, and road bikes for that matter, are something that is sort of within reach for most people's finance if they so chose, and this means people consider them as part of the same market. Yet you wouldn't consider the price of a top end car when shopping for your daily drive.
    You do get a very good bike these days for $2-3K. Not top of the line by any means but still very good. As with anything, you get diminishing returns to try and eke out the last bits of performance

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    Had an interesting experience related to the expense of mountain bikes today as it relates to the cost of maintenance. First off, I have built up several bikes and do a lot of my own maintenance. I keep my bikes really clean, ride a lot of miles, but don't beat them up, have never broken a frame or even a derailer hanger. Ride mostly XC style and have many thousands of miles both on the road and trails. Anyway, I bought a new bike about 9 months ago, something I rarely do and as the bike shop offers several free "tune-ups" I decided to bring it in as the shifting on the bike had gotten clunky and, why not? The bike has about 700 miles on it or so ... so, during the free tune up, it was determined the bike needs fork and shock need a basic servicing, new brake pads and brake bleeding and truing up of the front wheel. Estimate??? $180. Just by comparison, that's more than I spent in maintenance on my car in its first year. To be clear, I'm not saying it's WRONG, just that it is what it is. I find the relationship between the cost of things to be interesting, that's all. In fact, when I took my BMW motorcycle in for a pretty major servicing, the total for it was $220. That involved electronic engine diagnostics and far more "adjustments" than was suggested for my mountain bike.

    It's just interesting, that's all. I'm not complaining and not saying it's wrong.
    Are you really sure about that?

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    On the other hand, they could make a bike that lasted as long as a car with as little maintenance as they get, but the bike would weight as much as a car.
    If you want to talk about ridiculous, look at the prices of women's clothing!

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    If you really want an interesting price/performance comparison, check out BMX racing frames. Not many on here are jumping doubles or beating their frames to the point those riders are... and yet they are surprisingly inexpensive.

    As far as 'a durable bike being as heavy as a car' notion, beach cruiser or amsterdam style bikes weigh ten or twenty pounds more than a light mountain bike, and will often do tens of thousands of miles on the road before they need significant maintenance--at a one to three hundred dollar price point.

    I have to think anyone who knows old Schwinn (or even earlier stuff) just has to laugh at the idea that a bike that's durable is 'too heavy to ride' and one that is fun is 'too much maintenance'.

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