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    Why buy roc atac carbon for 30.00 more?

    Other than preferring black over gray, can anyone give me a good reason to pay $30 more for the Time roc atac carbon pedal vs roc atac composite? I'm going back to old style Time pedals and have decided on this pedal. Just can't find a justification for the extra $30 when both weigh the same.
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    I like the Alium better than the ROC ATAC.

    So, no.
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    Because they say carbon...and carbon is cool

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbiker72
    Because they say carbon...and carbon is cool
    Kinda what I have been thinking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndrwSwitch
    I like the Alium better than the ROC ATAC.
    Have you used both? The Times I used for years were the yellow, square block ones (carbon something?). They worked well and are just now wearing a bit thin at the spindle bearings. I replaced them with Shimano PD-M970's and am not quite satisfied with their mud performance.

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    I have the Aliums, the ROC Carbons and the old style, rectangular Time ATACs.

    They all feel exactly the same to use.

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    I thought rock strikes might scratch the Carbons less...
    ... and the black looks nicer

    "it IS possible that you are faster or slower than anybody else who is having at least as much if not more or less fun"

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    Quote Originally Posted by womble
    I have the Aliums, the ROC Carbons and the old style, rectangular Time ATACs.

    They all feel exactly the same to use.
    The ROCs look they might provide a better platform on those technical starts on a steep climb when you when you have to start grunt pedaling immediately and don't have the luxury of clicking in (unless you get lucky when your foot first hits the pedal).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shuteye
    The ROCs look they might provide a better platform on those technical starts on a steep climb when you when you have to start grunt pedaling immediately and don't have the luxury of clicking in (unless you get lucky when your foot first hits the pedal).
    Are you referring the the Time Zs? They're the ones with the platforms.

    The amount of platform on the Aliums, ROCs and the old classics are about the same. Though in any case, clipping in isn't a matter of luck- I can click in instantly on the smaller platform pedals.

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    The ROC body is a little larger and flatter than the ATAC XS (etc). Enough to feel more solid even under a stiff shoe.

    "it IS possible that you are faster or slower than anybody else who is having at least as much if not more or less fun"

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    Quote Originally Posted by perttime
    The ROC body is a little larger and flatter than the ATAC XS (etc). Enough to feel more solid even under a stiff shoe.
    That was my impression. Plus, I want steel retention bars and don't want the XS setup where you can get your cleat knocked loose if your pedal strikes a rock. My pedals are well scarred within a month of riding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by womble
    Are you referring the the Time Zs? They're the ones with the platforms.
    I have considered them, but think they are a bit heavy for long single track rides with lots of short steep grunt climbs combined with some long steep grunt climbs (mile or more).

    Though in any case, clipping in isn't a matter of luck- I can click in instantly on the smaller platform pedals.
    Then you ain't ridin' what I'm ridin', especially when your legs are gassed, you've just spun out in the middle of a steep rocky climb, and it's either get started again or shoulder your bike (and sometimes, it's shoulder my bike ).

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    Quote Originally Posted by perttime
    I thought rock strikes might scratch the Carbons less...
    ... and the black looks nicer
    Good points, I needed the push ... so I just pulled the trigger on some carbon ROC's on eBay. What's $30 over the course of a few years anyhow?

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    My experience with the carbons is that with every rock strike = less pedal mass! Yes, they would literally shed chunks of the pedal body (mainly the leading edges) whenever you struck a rock. Not great. Bebops for me (plus they work tits on the roadie).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dugg-E
    My experience with the carbons is that with every rock strike = less pedal mass! Yes, they would literally shed chunks of the pedal body (mainly the leading edges) whenever you struck a rock. Not great. Bebops for me (plus they work tits on the roadie).
    Ouch! Don't tell me that! As I said earlier, I just committed to buying the carbon ROC's. Maybe the composite ROC's would have been better. Oh well, I'll ride 'em until they die. At least they'll keep getting lighter. Gotta be better than the PD-M970's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shuteye
    Have you used both? The Times I used for years were the yellow, square block ones (carbon something?). They worked well and are just now wearing a bit thin at the spindle bearings. I replaced them with Shimano PD-M970's and am not quite satisfied with their mud performance.
    Yeah. I still use my ROC ATACs, since I'm a cheapskate, but they're my 'B' Time pedal. I think they're on my shelf, not on a bike right now.

    The little metal things with the funny pattern on them get damaged easily if I hit something with my pedal, and I could swear they didn't have as much float.

    I'm actually really curious about the Bebops. If they work well on my MTB and have as much float as my Speedplays, I could have just one pair of shoes and use only one pedal system across all my bikes. Which would make me happy. Looks like a lower Q-factor than Times too... I'll have to try a set one of these days.
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    I've been riding the ROC Carbons for 6 months with occasional heavy pedal strike. The bodies have cosmetic scratches but nothing worse than that.

    Same with my 2002 plastic bodies- they are still intact. The only pedals that show significant scratching are the Aliums because Aluminium is so easily abraided. But even they are in completely functional shape after 3 years.

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    My old ATAC XS pair (non-carbon) got deep cosmetic scratches too. The pedals look used but it has no effect on functioning. My ROC carbons have scratches too. I cannot really tell if the material makes a difference there.

    ... so I just treat the scratches the same as the scratches and minor dings on my aluminum bike's frame: they are battle scars that prove I've been using the bike for its intended purpose.

    "it IS possible that you are faster or slower than anybody else who is having at least as much if not more or less fun"

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    I guess is shouldve mentioned that even after all the physical damage, the pedals still functioned as intended. Therefore, I cannot say they were "bad". I did sell them though.

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    My old Aliums, which I bought in 2000, actually look eroded. I still have them, because I'm thinking about rebuilding them, I just haven't gotten to it. Alternatively, they may make an awesome paperweight if well-cleaned.
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    Thanks guys for the positive words. Now I don't feel bad for ordering the ROC's. If they function as well as my old, yellow, scarred up Times, I will be a happy camper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndrwSwitch
    My old Aliums, which I bought in 2000, actually look eroded. I still have them, because I'm thinking about rebuilding them, I just haven't gotten to it. Alternatively, they may make an awesome paperweight if well-cleaned.
    It sounds like they served you well for many a year. Now you can call them Aiums, 'cause you rode the 'ell out of them (bad joke).

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    so, any comments after two months of (i guess) heavy abuse?

    i'm on the same market and i cannot decide which one (normal, s or carbon)...

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    Check on repair costs for the nicer ATAC's bent cages if you're tend to ride with little, um, finesse. I've bent one of the retaining bars and was quoted $70 for the repair. F-that. Chainlove has some decent ATAC every now and then, so I have a pair in reserve and replaced for a touch more than the fix. I've also found the Alums in the LBS bargain bin on occation because customers upgrade and the shops' stuck with the OEM model. Not bad for $30.
    I still have the old original world cup atac on an older bike. That body finally died last year after about 8 years of abuse.
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    8 years is more than what i have ride in my whole life lol

    last week my left candy sl was suddenly destroyed (steel bar broke), and almost destroy my knee on the landing; anyway crank bros replace the bad pedal at no cost (thumbs up for crank bros technical support, not for the pedal);now is time for....time. I guess roc atac or roc atac s are more resistive to rock strikes and mud than atac xs.

    also, does anyone know if these pedals needs spacers to use on sidi shoes (dominator and action)?

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