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    What MP3 Player to Buy?

    Anyone ride/train/race with an MP3 player? If so....
    What brand?
    Did you buy it online?
    What is the durability from sweat and the elements of nature?
    I am in the market, and just want to know if anyone found a good one out there.
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    Md

    I have been using a sony net-md player and am very happy with it. A nice thing about MD as opposed to an Ipod or something is the huge (30hr or so) battery life. The new ones hav e 1gb disks too, which hold a ton of music. Seems to be very durable, I have been treating it poorly for 3 years now, taking it on lots of rides, and have had no problems. Music is easily transfered using the Real ONe player, or sony's crappy proprietary software. It has gotten soaked inside my pack, dropped a few times, and the remote has been rained on and snowed on and still works.

    Check out www.minidisco.com
    or this one looks good. I want to upgrade.
    http://www.minidisco.com/mz-nh600d.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by KERKOVEJ
    Anyone ride/train/race with an MP3 player? If so....
    What brand?
    Did you buy it online?
    What is the durability from sweat and the elements of nature?
    I am in the market, and just want to know if anyone found a good one out there.
    Thanks!
    I've gone through several over the last couple years. I would have never believed it, but I'm a 100% IPod man now. There just isn't anything nearly as good IMO. The integration with ITunes (which I also like a lot), battery life, interface, storage just is a winning package.

    Check out the new HP Ipods, same thing but considerably cheaper.

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    go with rio

    really, look at the flash-based players, as those are geared towards abuse, given that they have NO MOVING PARTS (whereas my RIO karma 20g hard-disk based player does have moving parts, i have abused it, and it still runs great)

    IPOD battery life sucks.
    IPOD does not allow for FLAC or OGG VORBIS file types (less lossy than MP3)

    Panasonic makes an Extreme player as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harryhood
    IPOD battery life sucks.
    Must disagree there. My IPod is several years old, on the original battery and still plays for about 8 hours before needing a recharge.

    I agree the moving parts are a little more prone to break from abuse, so a flash solution for mountain biking may be a good idea. I use mine mainly for commuting on my MTB, not for off-road use (although I have used it some off-road).

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    Quote Originally Posted by KERKOVEJ
    Anyone ride/train/race with an MP3 player? If so....
    What brand?
    Did you buy it online?
    What is the durability from sweat and the elements of nature?
    I am in the market, and just want to know if anyone found a good one out there.
    Thanks!
    None....what's so wrong with hearing the world around you ???

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    I live by my iPod....even though I hate supporting Apple. I am, however, a little skeptical about bringing it biking...but I'm sure there are nice hard protection cases out there. Anyone have any suggestions...that are made for an iPod?

    How about those new Sony MP3 players...anyone get a chance to check them out?

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    Here is why.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fuelish
    None....what's so wrong with hearing the world around you ???

    If you lived in Iowa, and did 4-9 hour training rides, you would understand. Me, I am into the heavy metal music....Metallica, God Smack, Static-X, etc.. Around here, everybody is very conservative so that means all the radio stations play Oldies and Top 40's........sigh

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    What online shopping sources would you recommend for MP3 players? Thanks.

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    ipod mini

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    If you're going for physical size, then the iPod mini is the way to go.....even though that when they were first released a large majority of them had something wrong with the audio jack or audio distortion (or something along those lines)

    But if you're going for drive size and a better bargain, go for a regular iPod.

    20GB = $299
    4GB iPod mini = $249

    I've got a 20GB, couldn't be happier with it...I run with it and it hasn't skipped once...even when falling off the treadmill. I've got mine packed with over 3700 songs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KERKOVEJ
    Anyone ride/train/race with an MP3 player? If so....
    What brand?
    Did you buy it online?
    What is the durability from sweat and the elements of nature?
    I am in the market, and just want to know if anyone found a good one out there.
    Thanks!
    If you're going to train with a MP3 player, I'd recommand something small. I personally own the Rio Nitrus, and it has been treating me very well so far. I take the unit runing and to the gym all the time. No problems so far. However, if I was going to do it again, I'd go with the Ipod Mini. Make sure you get the hot pink version (just kidding)

    Nonetheless, I'd opt of the extended warranty because it is still a hard drive based player, which means it is more prone to failure from shock compared to flash card based players. However, there is nothing that compares to the Apple product quality and feature wise. Ipods have the best ergonomics, and arguably the best sound quality....

    Dont', I mean DO NOT buy a Rio Karma. They seem to have major problems with hard drive failures, and the unit freeze. When the unit is in the frozen mode, you cannot even turn the unit off unless you have reseted it with a small pin.

    Also, don't buy soemthing like this online. I'd go to BestBuy and get their warranty. Anything goes wrong, they'll exchange your unit on the spot...

    Ming

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    I'm getting an iPod.

    My wife loves her's (she rides LOTS.) I'm getting a 4G 20 Gig iPod soon. iTunes is a terrific application--easy to use, versatile, stable, and FREE.

    A flash-RAM player isn't a good way to go until they start having at least 1 Gig of memory. The small memory sizes limits you to a short playlist unless you totally compress it so it sounds crappy.

    I would never by a Rio product. Although they may have some good stuff out there now, they also make a lot of junk. I was looking into a Rio flash-RAM player, but it had terrible battery problems.
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    I recently picked up the Creative MuVO TX FM 256mb player. It is a flashbased drive, holds about 8 hrs of music. It also has an FM receiver, if you get tired of what you downloaded. Downloading is easy, as the unit acts like a 256mb USB drive; just drag and drop. It comes with an armband, which is convenient.

    I bleieve BUY.com has it for $90 or so. Whatever unit you decide on, check via Nextag.com for best price.

    good luck, and enjoy!

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    Apple ipod is a great option IMHO.

    There are so many cheap rip offs of the product because the Apple iPod together with iTunes represents real perfection for MP3 players. Nothing else beats Apple IMHO when it comes down to MP3 players.
    Trev!

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    IPod Armor

    Quote Originally Posted by JRUSHE
    I live by my iPod....even though I hate supporting Apple. I am, however, a little skeptical about bringing it biking...but I'm sure there are nice hard protection cases out there. Anyone have any suggestions...that are made for an iPod?
    My bro has a nice aluminum case for his, pretty slick looking too.

    http://matias.ca/ipodarmor/index.php?refID=1

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    i pod luv em

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    Quote Originally Posted by jparker164
    My bro has a nice aluminum case for his, pretty slick looking too.

    http://matias.ca/ipodarmor/index.php?refID=1

    Very cool - thanks for the link!

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    Get a Rio...

    Quote Originally Posted by KERKOVEJ
    Anyone ride/train/race with an MP3 player? If so....
    What brand?
    Did you buy it online?
    What is the durability from sweat and the elements of nature?
    I am in the market, and just want to know if anyone found a good one out there.
    Thanks!
    I have the Rio Cali with 128MB with a 128 SD card and it gives me four hours of high-quality tunes, plus it has an FM tuner. The tuner is good but not as good in reception as the Sony Sport. I download songs from Itunes (Mac G4) and it does its job quickly, faster than a Yepp (which I've also owned). Battery life is about 12-15 hours on a good single alkaline and around 8-10 on a rechargeable. Its very durable and sweatproof, though I wouldn't leave it in my back jersey pocket in the rain. I bought it at BestBuy with an extendended warranty for around $115 bucks US and the SD card for around $35. I've seen the new version called the Rio Forge and it looks like the case is metal which would be a good upgrade plus you can record FM on it too.

    But the best thing you can do is to get some good headphones, I've gone with the new Sony Mini-bud style with tiny silicone ear cups. They sound excellent for $40 and don't block out external sound. You can hear your chain, derailler and brakes even someone creeping up behind on the singletrack if you don't have the music cranked too loud.

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    RCA Lyra 1072 MP3

    Nothing beats the Ipod, but for a cheaper, compact alternative, there's RCA Lyra 1072 it's a flash memory player and storage can be expanded with an external SD/MMC.

    Battery life could be better, but I had like 15-16 hrs tops with mine at the 8th volume setting which isn't too bad. Had it for 2 years, used for jogging. It's been dropped, sweated on, and banged up on walls but hasn't failed yet. Cost $115.00.

    More info here:

    http://www.rcaaudiovideo.com/Culture...rs&Item=RD1072,
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    My brother just bought a Sony MD online and he's pretty fired up about it. Holds tons of songs and doesn't take too long to download them. I stole it to use at the gym and it doesn't have any clips or anything so you have to put it in your pocket. Not too much of a problem though cuz it's the size of a small waffle.

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    I like my Rio. In general all Rio flash players are small, easy to use, and come with decent software. I got a Fuse (128mb) earlier in the year, and just re-upped for a 256mb Chiba, very similar to the Cali except the Cali comes w/better headphones. Both are relatively cheap, can be had on Ebay for <$100 for the Chiba, a bit more for the Cali (watch out for refurbished ones). I believe the Forge- a new model- will be replacing the Cali. For more info/reviews and to compare, check out cnet.com

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    Dell recently released their mini mp3 player for $199.

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    I bought a flashed based player due to the fact that they have no moving parts and are supposed to be more durable. I bought a Rio Forge with 512mb internal memory and an additional 512mb memory card. One feature I like is a lock switch that when engaged locks out all the controls from accidental pressing. I don't have any personal expierence with an Ipod but think I would not buy one due to the fact that even the mini is larger than what I want to carry with me. I like the size and shape of the Rio because it fits nicely in my pocket with the head phone leads slid down my shirt while I ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Will
    I bought a flashed based player due to the fact that they have no moving parts and are supposed to be more durable. I bought a Rio Forge with 512mb internal memory and an additional 512mb memory card. One feature I like is a lock switch that when engaged locks out all the controls from accidental pressing. I don't have any personal expierence with an Ipod but think I would not buy one due to the fact that even the mini is larger than what I want to carry with me. I like the size and shape of the Rio because it fits nicely in my pocket with the head phone leads slid down my shirt while I ride.
    The mini is actually only barely bigger than my Rio Nitrus, it has much more storage as well (4GB vs 1.5GB)..

    My vote still goes to Ipod mini...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Braunstein Freres
    My brother just bought a Sony MD online and he's pretty fired up about it. Holds tons of songs and doesn't take too long to download them. I stole it to use at the gym and it doesn't have any clips or anything so you have to put it in your pocket. Not too much of a problem though cuz it's the size of a small waffle.
    Conversion sucks and those players skip....Didn't really like my MD player nearly as much as my Rio Nitrus...

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    Quote Originally Posted by RiftZone
    Nothing beats the Ipod, but for a cheaper, compact alternative, there's RCA Lyra 1072 it's a flash memory player and storage can be expanded with an external SD/MMC.

    Battery life could be better, but I had like 15-16 hrs tops with mine at the 8th volume setting which isn't too bad. Had it for 2 years, used for jogging. It's been dropped, sweated on, and banged up on walls but hasn't failed yet. Cost $115.00.

    More info here:

    http://www.rcaaudiovideo.com/Culture...rs&Item=RD1072,
    You guys forgot about I rock. I own one and it is great, and I could get about 40 or more songs on it. They are only around $120, and the are pretty tough, take it from me I dropped mine in a hot tub and it was still ok but I don't take mine biking, but maby I should start.

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    I bought an Iriver hp120. I like it though it doesnt have the Ipods slick touch interface but does have a built in tuner and voice recorder and few other cool things I like about it.

    Costs about the same as a 20 gig ipod and I had no problems with mine so far. I throw it in my camelbak and ride but usually end up turning it off when I get to the trail head. Im too used to riding without it and I like hearing if someone is coming ahead of me around the tight turns or coming from behind me.

    I picked it over an ipod cause it also has a longer battery life then it and for the fm tuner, voice recorder and ability to make mp3's from another source. The newer ipods have a betetr battery life then before though as I did use an ipod before and the claimed battery life was 8hrs ( never seemed to last that long for me) but I did like playing solitaire :P

    Problem with ipod or iriver or anything with moving parts ( harddisk) is it getting subjected to heavy vibration. I have a 3 year warranty on mine so no worries here but a mp3 player that uses lil memory cards seems like a better choice since they can come alot smaller now and the price on memory cards is always falling. I was going to pick one over the iriver simply for that reason but I didnt want to upload songs ( I'm lazy thanks)

    Dont get the ipod mini if anything, read the reviews onit and alot of ppl have problems with the harddisk and plus as someone else pointed out for around50$ mow you can get the 20 gig.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RiftZone
    Nothing beats the Ipod, but for a cheaper, compact alternative, there's RCA Lyra 1072 it's a flash memory player and storage can be expanded with an external SD/MMC.

    Battery life could be better, but I had like 15-16 hrs tops with mine at the 8th volume setting which isn't too bad. Had it for 2 years, used for jogging. It's been dropped, sweated on, and banged up on walls but hasn't failed yet. Cost $115.00.

    More info here:

    http://www.rcaaudiovideo.com/Culture...rs&Item=RD1072,

    I've seen those for REAL cheap at Target... $50-80 depending on how much memory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aham23
    What online shopping sources would you recommend for MP3 players? Thanks.
    http://www.nextag.com/
    http://froogle.google.com/
    Ranked by price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KERKOVEJ
    Anyone ride/train/race with an MP3 player? If so....
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    I am in the market, and just want to know if anyone found a good one out there.
    Thanks!
    I was one of the lucky (and in hindsight, smart) ones to purchase the iPod Mini the day it was released. I purchased it at a local CompUSA in May. The best purchase (besides my TiBook G4) I've ever made.

    Reasons for purchase:
    1. Weight. only weighs 3.6oz
    2. Size 3.5x2.125x.5
    3. Capacity 4gig
    4. Integrates seamlessly w/iTunes
    5. Features
    a. built in equilizer
    b. contacts (read only)
    c. calendar (read only)
    d. 4 games as time waster

    I didn't see or feel the need to have my entire library availible at all times, I mean who really listens to EVERY song they have. Some will suck, some are okay, some are your favorites. This unit met every need, and with accesories has become a unit I'd rather have than my cell phone on me 24/7. I bought the Griffin iTrip to listen to on my car. I have the Apple armband holder, and Apple upgrade headphones. The armband holder keeps it within close reach, but doesn't cover the unit so for protection, I bought some silicone cases. Still, I don't want to use it in the rain, without a metal hard case with rubber seals.

    In reality, how can 10,000,000 iPod users be wrong? Theres the iPod then there's everything else. Besides, if you don't like it, you can ebay it and not loose your a$$, not that you would.



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    Go with an iPod

    They have 57% of the market share and 87% of the hard drive based market share for a reason.

    harryhood: mp3 is not your only option with the ipod. The ACC format actuall was voted the best sounding compression scheme not long ago and you also have the option of using Apple Lossless which is about half the file size of uncompressed and almost all of the quality.

    JRUSHE: Why don't you like to support Apple? Just curious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by macming
    Conversion sucks and those players skip....Didn't really like my MD player nearly as much as my Rio Nitrus...
    The conversion does suck, but only adds a few minutes to the processing of the songs. Mine never skips, it has the sony G-Protection thingy. I have primarily used it while riding and snowboarding, so it sees plenty of shock. The only drawback I think is the propriatary software, Apples Itunes is better than the sony crap. Realone is the other option. It sucks as a music management program, but it lets you drag and drop from windows explorer onto the minidisc. And like I said before, battery life is very long (mine gets about 30 hours), and most use only a single AA so spares are easy to find and carry. I have used my brothers Ipod quite a bit and I still don't believe the hype. MD is the way to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the Inbred
    Dell recently released their mini mp3 player for $199.
    I bought a Dell and I am disapointed. Interface sucks, super heavy, and no on the fly play lists.

    However, cheaper, battery life rocks, and cheeper.

    road rides are so much better since having it though. I will keep the MD for the mountain.

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    So many better players than the I-P.O.S.!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by jakey
    They have 57% of the market share and 87% of the hard drive based market share for a reason.

    harryhood: mp3 is not your only option with the ipod. The ACC format actuall was voted the best sounding compression scheme not long ago and you also have the option of using Apple Lossless which is about half the file size of uncompressed and almost all of the quality.

    JRUSHE: Why don't you like to support Apple? Just curious.
    Yes, yes, the market share figs are accurate. You don't mention FLASH players, though, which are truely designed to take some abuse.

    AAC can kiss my ass. If I am going to spend my time ripping CDs to digital format, you best bet that I am going LOSSLESS. This ensures that I WILL NEVER HAVE TO RERIP. Once and done. More sophisticated players offer more sophisticated encoding schemes for more appreciative consumers.
    Hmm, will hte iRiver, Rio, M3, etc play apple lossless? NO.

    By buying into a proprietary encoding scheme, you seriously restrict your brand options in the future.

    OH, and 13.5 hours of playback on my Karma of FLAC files- high bitrate before a charge. The best I see Apple offer is 12 w/ 128 bit mp3 or similar wav. Weak! Ha!

    GAPLESS playback is something that very few players offer too, look into it. When you try and play Dark Side of the Moon, Beethoven's 9th, Hoist, Tool's albums, Radiohead albums, Queens of the Stone Age, umm...LIVE RECORDINGS, umm...hmm...ANY ALBUM DESIGNED to be played as an ALBUM (note, excludes pop-rock-feces 3 minute/song albums) your player will stick in a GAP BETWEEN SONGS that ranges from .5 sec to 1.5 sec for some players. UH! How could you even stand that? Talk about killing continuity. Could you imagine a impassable log stuck every couple hundred yards in beautiful singletrack?

    Just some reasons why the ipod sucks. (limited playback options, weak EQ, Gap-full, battery, encoding schemes, and the fact that you are a lemming when you buy one)

    OH, and for the accessories department, I carry mine in a Pelican 1020 case when mtbiking and drop it in my Hydrapack that has a earphone hole that comes out. That way, when I do endo (unavoidable, i suppose) i will not crush the player under my 200lbs of weight. Google their cases if youwant to carry your digicam, mp3 player, or small pet while on the trail. Bombproof!
    Last edited by harryhood; 11-04-2004 at 11:10 AM. Reason: good accessory link

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    I listen to all those bands. I set the song gap to 0. Took care of the problem.

    57% market share is based on all mp3 players, flash based and hard drive based.

    87% is for hard drive players only. The hp branded apple produced ipod has 3%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jakey
    They have 57% of the market share and 87% of the hard drive based market share for a reason.

    harryhood: mp3 is not your only option with the ipod. The ACC format actuall was voted the best sounding compression scheme not long ago and you also have the option of using Apple Lossless which is about half the file size of uncompressed and almost all of the quality.

    JRUSHE: Why don't you like to support Apple? Just curious.

    Jakey,
    Probably the wrong forum to get me going on this issue, but lets just say that if you work in a professional field when you rely on both Mac's and PC's, you would understand where I'm coming from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JRUSHE
    Jakey,
    Probably the wrong forum to get me going on this issue, but lets just say that if you work in a professional field when you rely on both Mac's and PC's, you would understand where I'm coming from.
    I'm a graphic designer. Spend all day on a mac.I don't understand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jakey
    I'm a graphic designer. Spend all day on a mac.I don't understand.

    Touche...

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    also, other good sites, not price engines, but good:
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    I've been using the Creative Muvo2 X-trainer. It's kind of their "sports" model. It works great, has some nice features, and small enough that it really doesnt take up any valuable space.

    http://www.creative.com/products/pro...uct=5080&nav=2

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    Like other have said a flash player is optimal for training/riding. Two I recommend are the Creative Muvo and Samsung Yepp. I originally had the Muvo but it broke (was my fault). It was tiny and came with a neck strap. Today I bought a Samsung with 256 mb (150 at CC) which is actually quite a bit smaller than the Muvo and also comes with a neck strap. Both are so small you hardly even notice them.

    One thing to consider is that you cant (or at least I cant) possibly workout with an I-pod or any other mini hard drive units. For one thing theyre relatively big so that they can and do get in the way. Also if you drop it kiss it goodbye. Theyre good for stashing on the treadmill tray, which is fine if that's all you do.
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    Yes, the iRiver iHP-120 (or better) is worth a look...

    I got one because of:
    - good battery life (up to 16 hours)
    - ability to play Ogg Vorbis encoded music (it also plays mp3 and other IP encumbered formats)
    - it's easy to use with Linux; no proprietary apps are needed to download music to the player
    - the 20GB hard drive holds a lot of music; I have my entire CD collection on it and it's only half full

    Up until recently, the only gripe that I had about it was that there'd be a slight gap between songs. Often this isn't much of a problem because most albums put a gap in between songs, but some, like Pink Floyd's "The Wall", don't. iRiver released a firmware upgrade recently which fixes this problem; so, now, no more gripes.

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    do those of you who argue the "less compression" idea, y'all don't use ear buds, do y'all?

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    I FULLY enjoy my new 20g iPod. It is easy to import your playlists from your exisiting music program into iTune and onto your iPod. Not one complaint yet

    I'd post a pic of it but I'm not that motivated...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Managuense
    Like other have said a flash player is optimal for training/riding. Two I recommend are the Creative Muvo and Samsung Yepp. I originally had the Muvo but it broke (was my fault). It was tiny and came with a neck strap. Today I bought a Samsung with 256 mb (150 at CC) which is actually quite a bit smaller than the Muvo and also comes with a neck strap. Both are so small you hardly even notice them.

    One thing to consider is that you cant (or at least I cant) possibly workout with an I-pod or any other mini hard drive units. For one thing theyre relatively big so that they can and do get in the way. Also if you drop it kiss it goodbye. Theyre good for stashing on the treadmill tray, which is fine if that's all you do.


    I have to disagree, I dropped my iPod mini from my hand onto the street and outside of scratching the aluminum housing it was fine. and 3.6 oz is not very much weight, especially when it's located on your arm with the armband. If you do put it in your pocket, it is only .5" thick, so its unnoticable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spdrycr
    I have to disagree, I dropped my iPod mini from my hand onto the street and outside of scratching the aluminum housing it was fine. and 3.6 oz is not very much weight, especially when it's located on your arm with the armband. If you do put it in your pocket, it is only .5" thick, so its unnoticable.
    i have to AGREE with you on that... I have both a green mini iPod and the new 20g click wheel iPod. The only reason that i got the 20g was because my mini was filled, I still have it and it has taken a beating. The mini is smaller/lighter than my wallet, so it's makes no difference when I ride to have my tunes blasting....

    wOOt wOOt go iPod!!!
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    Flash

    The Thomson/RCA Lyra flash player RD2010A is available at Radio Shack for about $120.
    I bought one after my second Rio Forge player died under warranty.

    Pros:
    Battery life is up to 50 hours with a single AA cell. 35 hours is probably more realistic. Still the best I've found.
    FM receiver is much more sensitive than Rio.
    Will decode MP3 Pro (encoder not included).
    Takes SD flash memory card.
    Less expensive than Rio.
    Better build quality (check reviews on web, lots of dead Rio Forge)
    The USB port has an attached cover so you can't loose it.

    Cons:
    Thicker than Rio (partly due to AA vs AAA cell battery)
    Earclip style headphones. Not my style.
    Chokes on filenames longer than 8.3 characters. This is not explained in the manual or on their website.
    Clunky controls. Backing out of menus requires 2 different buttons depending on what mode you're in.
    Loading files can be done by drag and drop from Windows file explorer, but then you have to "organize" the files by pressing an extra button. Easy to forget.
    The memory card slot does not have a protective cover, given time dirt will fall into it. Hopefully it will shake out as easily.
    Website email contact rejected my phone number (why do they need that?) as not being valid, and would not allow me to post a question. I've had the same number for 15 years!
    The player occasionally locks up and I have to reboot by ejecting the battery. Not often.

    I liked the Rio Forge a lot, but I was worried that if I gave it a 3rd chance, it would die on me after the warranty had expired. The lack of memory expandability eliminated the iRiver line for me. I am too much the klutz to feel comfortable buying a hard-drive player.

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    If you drop your hard disk player and it still works consider yourself lucky. Precision moving parts and violent motion/stress is a bad bad mix. You might get away with it a few times....

    Another question is, why did it drop in the first place? I have gone the route of belt clips and arm bands (I also had one of the early Rio/Nike players). Neither of those aproaches worked. The combination of neck strap and small sizes is what works best for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KERKOVEJ
    Anyone ride/train/race with an MP3 player? If so....
    What brand?
    Did you buy it online?
    What is the durability from sweat and the elements of nature?
    I am in the market, and just want to know if anyone found a good one out there.
    Thanks!
    I'm in a similar situation. So, I'm curious what you decided to go with?
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