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    What category does your main bike fit?

    What category does your main bike fit?
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    What do you mean by category, are you perhaps referring to the discipline?


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    I dunno.

    It has 2 wheels, a handlebar, pedals, all the usual attachments. What category is that?

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    I guess..."ride me!" Category

    For me is more like..."what do I have time to ride today"..then I choose the bike.
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    Where does 5" travel @ about 30lbs fit in?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mookie View Post
    Where does 5" travel @ about 30lbs fit in?
    See post #5...about the same for my Heckler.
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    Awesome. Fits in awesome.

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    I didn't see an Implement of Badassery category...

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    Mine fits your All Mountain/Downhill category, as would I'm guessing 80% of the bikes on here. Kinda strange differentiating between sub-25lb bikes then lumping anything with more than a 120mm fork into one AM/DH cetegory. A 120mm-or-less fork is really XC bike or hardtail territory, most modern trail bikes seem to run 130-150ish.




    (and now for a barrage of people telling me they run 120mm forks and it's the best thing ever)

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    Quote Originally Posted by jcd46 View Post
    See post #5...about the same for my Heckler.
    The "Ride me" category is definitely the most accurate!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jcd46 View Post
    I guess..."ride me!" Category

    For me is more like..."what do I have time to ride today"..then I choose the bike.
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    Where does 5" travel @ about 30lbs fit in?
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    See post #5...about the same for my Heckler.
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    The "Ride me" category is definitely the most accurate!
    Same as where mine falls in. "Run what ya brung category"
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    I'm having a K-Tel moment, like I remember voting in this poll 10 years ago...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mookie View Post
    Where does 5" travel @ about 30lbs fit in?
    Lots of places, I'd say.

    (also, wherever this is would be where my Trance is as well)

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    The real problem with this poll is there's not a category for my XC bike. 27 lbs 120mm fork and fragile as freaking eggs, DEF not light trail. Oh well, it said primary bike, which is DEF misc because it's single speed. I think. I mean, it also has a 120mm fork. But very XC geometry. It's all very confusing. I think I'll just go ride my bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dave54 View Post
    I dunno.

    It has 2 wheels, a handlebar, pedals, all the usual attachments. What category is that?
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    Pretty poor category delineation IMO, try again, without projecting your experience, and preference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cotharyus View Post
    The real problem with this poll is there's not a category for my XC bike. 27 lbs 120mm fork and fragile as freaking eggs, DEF not light trail. Oh well, it said primary bike, which is DEF misc because it's single speed. I think. I mean, it also has a 120mm fork. But very XC geometry. It's all very confusing. I think I'll just go ride my bike.
    There's a lot more wrong with this poll than that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post
    There's a lot more wrong with this poll than that.
    lol
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    According to Yeti...right about here. Seems pretty spot on for the 5+. I'd argue it's cross-country prowess though and weight it a little heavier towards the Enduro side

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    What category?

    You tell me...
    What category does your main bike fit?-n9rv.jpg

    I'm calling it rigid AM. And it's a bit over 25# - all the light crap broke off.

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    +1 for super LAME poll.

    Waltworks single speed 29er is my primary bike.

    Hard tail 29er was second (25 lbs. and change) - being replaced by new carbon FS.

    Chris King Cielo single speed 29er is 3rd.

    2009 Turner Full suspension 29er is 4th.

    Single speeds are ~22 lb each; all others are 25+ lbs and I don't give a rats arse... I have no trouble keeping up with people on weight weenie hard tails and full suspension bikes.
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    No fatties in the poll?

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    28lb, 130mm fork, trail/am hardtail. Does not fit in any of the poll's options.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fleas View Post

    I'm calling it rigid AM.
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    Sub 20 lb hardtail SS.
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    Main bike? Which season? Winter tends toward more fat, with studs and winter commuter with studs. Spring, summer and fall I ride the enduro, unless I'm beach riding the fatty or bike packing with the Karate Monkey. Or commuting, or commuting to then go mt biking? Wait, what was the question? Bike. I like to bike. Where do the plus and fat bike fit for the main rides? I ride bikes in the woods, the enduro has 150 mm front and rear. I call it a trail bike. YRMV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post
    There's a lot more wrong with this poll than that.
    would you be so kind as to extrapolate sir??
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    Quote Originally Posted by David R View Post
    Mine fits your All Mountain/Downhill category, as would I'm guessing 80% of the bikes on here. Kinda strange differentiating between sub-25lb bikes then lumping anything with more than a 120mm fork into one AM/DH cetegory. A 120mm-or-less fork is really XC bike or hardtail territory, most modern trail bikes seem to run 130-150ish.




    (and now for a barrage of people telling me they run 120mm forks and it's the best thing ever)
    The question I have is why does everything under all-mountain get lumped into XC, when the two XC subforums on here are racing-focused. A 30+ lb bike with a smaller fork is not really XC racing focused but it doesn't have its own subforum either. There is no trail subforum here if you haven't noticed, so I guess people simply go to their tire size forum, etc.

    As for projecting my experience level, I find it humorous that no one should ask questions until they know everything. Sounds like something our fearless leader would tweet.
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    Thats because Trail is "just riding", it's not really a category as such. XC, Enduro and DH are racing catagories and All Mountain used to be a catagory" that made up the exclusion of all that whereas nowdays it's a bit more specialised. But Trail is everything from XC (but when you're not racing), to light DH (when you're still not racing) and everything in between, so it's not really a category and to give it a subforum would be...General Discussion
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    Quote Originally Posted by richj8990 View Post
    The question I have is why does everything under all-mountain get lumped into XC, when the two XC subforums on here are racing-focused. A 30+ lb bike with a smaller fork is not really XC racing focused but it doesn't have its own subforum either. There is no trail subforum here if you haven't noticed, so I guess people simply go to their tire size forum, etc.

    As for projecting my experience level, I find it humorous that no one should ask questions until they know everything. Sounds like something our fearless leader would tweet.
    OK liddle Richie J. So you're saying you lump bikes into categories based on whether or not there's a subforum. Thankfully, you're not in charge and others are still entitled to think differently than you.

    What's really humorous is that when your self-proclaimed expertise is challenged you resort to ridicule rather than listening (and perhaps learning). Kinda reminds me of someone. Wonder who that could be?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nvphatty View Post
    would you be so kind as to extrapolate sir??
    Nope, too much missing in the poll categories to take the energy to extrapolate, Sir! May I be excused to the canteen, Sir!

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    Quote Originally Posted by richj8990 View Post
    What category does your main bike fit?
    Categories based on weight? The same frame+fork+wheels combo can be equipped with components totaling up to plus minus 4-5 pounds ... weight is not a predictor of trail use category ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post
    Nope, too much missing in the poll categories to take the energy to extrapolate, Sir! May I be excused to the canteen, Sir!

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    Pleading the 5th again?
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    There are $150 46 lb steel bikes out there with 80mm forks, are those really XC? It just seems like an insult to the serious XC racing community to lump that kind of bike in there with their bikes. The Giant website calls those cheaper bikes "recreational" mountain bikes, maybe that's a better term, but XC? How many races would those bikes win? I've read on other sites that true XC is under 25 lbs, that's a good arbitrary limit to me, but 46 lbs as XC? It just makes XC seem like a heterogenous catch-all for all bikes under all-mountain for fork sizes. That's not fair to the XC racing community.


    Getting away from weight and toward fork sizes: maybe the thread should have been titled --- What is your personal opinion of what a trail bike is?

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    Gregg Kato author. Several of these are rigid. Part of the poll definitions were inspired by his definitions of XC vs. Trail vs. All-Mountain regarding front fork sizes. I'm not saying Mr. Kato is the end-all definer of what type of mountain bike everyone owns. I'm just following definitions from an official MTBR bike reviewer. If someone thinks his definitions are wrong, that's fine, I'm taking my definitions from an MTBR review, so they really are not my definitions to begin with.


    A few snippets below:

    Rocky Mountain Soul 730 – $899 With the 120mm Suntour Raidon fork, the Soul 730 has a slightly slacker geometry for more all-around trail usage than XC riding.
    Translation: 120mm is more trail, 100 mm is more XC


    Fezzari Wasatch Peak – $939. With its 100mm Rock Shox fork, the Wasatch Peak is more XC oriented.
    Translation: 100mm is XC


    Specialized Rockhopper Comp 29 – $950. 100mm fork might scream XC, the geometry of the bike is more trail oriented.
    Translation: 100mm can be both XC and trail



    BMC Sportelite SE – $999 (100mm fork) The Sportelite SE highlighted here could easily be used for your local XC race and if you don’t podium, it won’t be the bike’s fault.
    Translation: 100mm is XC



    Norco Charger 9.3 or Charger 7.3 – $1045
    The Norco Charger is available in the 9.3 or 7.3 designation and is the same bike but you can choose between 29″ or 27.5″ wheels. Shown here is the Charger 9.2 that looks more XC than trail but is capable for both types of beginners.
    Translation: 100mm can be both XC and trail



    Commencal Meta HT AM Origin – $1099 The Commencal Meta HT AM Origin is an alloy hardtail that really stands out in this crowd with its 140mm travel RockShox Sektor fork and clearly more AM oriented geometry.
    Translation: 140mm is more all-mountain than XC

    Now...if you think everything under 150mm is XC, OK, but that means there is no definition of a trail bike, there is nothing between all-mountain and XC. That just doesn't make sense to me, or to others...
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    The problem is, Rich, there are no hard and fast definitions. Do those terms really apply to the trail or to the bike? If you are riding a Trail Bike on an XC trail, are you riding Trail or XC? I'm not even sure when I ride my CX bike on singletrack if I'm still mountain biking.

    On your snippets, I believe it is more the geometry of the bike they are using to define it rather than the fork travel itself. If I take my XC James Dragon that has an 80mm fork on it, and put a 120mm fork on it, is it now a Trail Bike? No. Do different "classes" of bikes have different travel? They often do but that is not the only difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chazpat View Post
    The problem is, Rich, there are no hard and fast definitions. Do those terms really apply to the trail or to the bike? If you are riding a Trail Bike on an XC trail, are you riding Trail or XC? I'm not even sure when I ride my CX bike on singletrack if I'm still mountain biking.

    On your snippets, I believe it is more the geometry of the bike they are using to define it rather than the fork travel itself. If I take my XC James Dragon that has an 80mm fork on it, and put a 120mm fork on it, is it now a Trail Bike? No. Do different "classes" of bikes have different travel? They often do but that is not the only difference.
    But the current definition is that anything not all-mountain, downhill, or freeride is XC. You see that all over the internet. I can supply 100's of examples for that definition. No grouping of bikes is perfect, that's not the goal. There will always be gray areas, bikes that straddle two (or more) definitions. But the goal shouldn't be to put a non-racing bike into a cross-country racing class, that's just lazy. It's just avoiding the definition problem for small-forked bikes, like they don't even count to even think about categorizing, so they go into XC and no intellectual energy is used.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chazpat View Post
    The problem is, Rich, there are no hard and fast definitions. Do those terms really apply to the trail or to the bike? If you are riding a Trail Bike on an XC trail, are you riding Trail or XC? I'm not even sure when I ride my CX bike on singletrack if I'm still mountain biking.

    On your snippets, I believe it is more the geometry of the bike they are using to define it rather than the fork travel itself. If I take my XC James Dragon that has an 80mm fork on it, and put a 120mm fork on it, is it now a Trail Bike? No. Do different "classes" of bikes have different travel? They often do but that is not the only difference.
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    I like to ride my bikes up hills, then ride down hills.

    I do that on my road bike too.

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    none of the above

    mine is over 25lb XC competition-focused

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    Well I feel it’s not so much the bike but a combination of type of bike and what type of trails you like to ride.
    I ride gt sensor with 150 mm fork upgrade and ride a fair bit road riding just to get to an area of natural trail that could best be described as all mountain biking


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    I've been wondering about this for ages, and this is the thread in which to finally ask, I think.

    I understand Road, Gravel, Cyclocross, and Mountain bikes. I also get downhill and dirt jump. I'm even hip to "full squish" and several others terms all the cool kids are using.

    But what is the difference between XC (cross country, right?), Trail, and All-Mountain?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squeeze View Post
    I've been wondering about this for ages, and this is the thread in which to finally ask, I think.

    I understand Road, Gravel, Cyclocross, and Mountain bikes. I also get downhill and dirt jump. I'm even hip to "full squish" and several others terms all the cool kids are using.

    But what is the difference between XC (cross country, right?), Trail, and All-Mountain?
    Trail is XC for people who don't wear Lycra.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Duke View Post
    Trail is XC for people who don't wear Lycra.

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    I would have said same terrain but XC is race oriented and trail bikes are comfort oriented, but thinking about it yours is surprisingly accurate.

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    But what is the difference between XC (cross country, right?), Trail, and All-Mountain?
    le Duke nailed it. XC is now a form of racing not a style of riding. That's called Trail now. All-Mountain suggests you'll be pedaling a bunch but taking bigger jumps and stunts than general trail riding. Enduro is racing in an All-Mountain style.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IPunchCholla View Post
    I would have said same terrain but XC is race oriented and trail bikes are comfort oriented, but thinking about it yours is surprisingly accurate.

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    Yeah. I have friends that would describe themselves as "trail" riders. We ride the same trails, just in a different manner, with different goals.

    Alternately, regrouping:

    trail = wait at top.

    XC = wait at bottom.

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    My main mtb takes me we’re ever I want to go so fits any category I want it to, I don’t subscribe to any particular disciplines of mtbing


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    I appreciate the answers to my question about the difference between XC, trail, and all-mountain. I figured that was one of those "oh no, not again!" kind of questions, but at some point, ya just gotta ask these things or remain clueless.

    Thanks.

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    Saw that anything over 120 mm at the fork was listed as 'all-mountain/downhill' and knew it wasn't worth participating. Did you pull your head directly out of the sand before making this poll?

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    I don't have a main bike, it depends on what kind of trail I'm riding.

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