TUNE QRs concern

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  • 12-28-2012
    larsd
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    TUNE QRs concern
    Hey there,

    I just got some new Tune Quick Releases and there is something really disturbing about them. Funny enough I googled for a while but I dont seem to find any issue or concern about that anywhere!?

    Due to the concept, the Quick Release lever can be freely moved beyond its "locking point" where it becomes loose again.

    Since the lever is amazingly easy to move (even if you pre-set the pressure with the counter screw to the limit where the lever can still close) it does not take much for the lever to bend over into the disc or even if you turn the releases around, into the spokes.

    I just wonder what will happen when a branch on the trail hits the lever into the wheel...

    Has noone heard of any such issues or concerns?!
  • 12-28-2012
    Fix the Spade
    Nope, never heard of that before, but I wouldn't use that quick release in the picture if you paid me!

    Maybe they're faulty?
    Poor design?
    Either way I'd be sending that back.
  • 12-28-2012
    larsd
    They are not faulty as I tried some and they are all working that way so it must be the concept itself. Weird. And they do not come in cheap either.
  • 12-28-2012
    Tone's
    They look like very poor and cheap skewers.

    Firstly, you have got the lever in the wrong position, direct it pointing back to save it getting caught on something and flipping open while your riding.

    Secondly, it shouldnt be loose when you tighten it, if it is throw them in the bin

    third, its a very poorly designed lever, its long, thin and straight.
    Most levers have a slight bend in them to hug your shock, ive never seen a lever designed like that, its an accident waiting to happen
    Ive had about 10 sets of skewers and none could get into my disks no matter what i did.
    not only that it doesnt have a flat surface to get nice easy leverage from, its a ridiculous and dangerous design.

    Just so you can see about 100 real skewer designs, go to chain reaction cycles website, and find skewers, have a look how propper ones are made, i can guarentee you will not see one that looks like that.

    out of interest, what brand are they and where did you get them?

    Take them off and throw them in the bin, or return them for a refund and tell the place you got them from to get serious and sell some real skewers.
    cheers
  • 12-28-2012
    larsd
    I probably should not have posted this in a non Europe centric forum it seems because I just realized that those products are not available outside Europe.

    Those are TUNE products. (Cant post a URL since my post count is below 10) Tune is pretty much the Chris King of Germany, quite legendary and those did get remarkable results in tests in several publications which is why I am so surprised about that. Those are pretty light 37g Titanium QRs which appear to be hand made and durable with lifetime warranty. They are 110 USD retail.
  • 12-28-2012
    Tone's
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by larsd View Post
    I probably should not have posted this in non Europe centric forum it seems because I just realized that those products are not available outside Europe.

    Those are TUNE products. (Cant post a URL since my post count is below 10) Tune is pretty much the Chris King of Germany, quite legendary and those did get remarkable results in tests in several publications which is why I am so surprised about that. Those are pretty light 37g Titanium QRs which appear to be hand made and durable with lifetime warranty. They are 110 USD retail.

    $110 US :yikes::yikes::yikes::out::drumroll::crazy::bluefr own::nonod: That will do me...
  • 12-28-2012
    larsd
    Well it did me... and they are **** or maybe I am to stupid to use QRs...
  • 12-28-2012
    Tone's
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by larsd View Post
    Well it did me... and they are **** or maybe I am to stupid to use QRs...

    No mate its not you, its the very poor design of that lever.

    In all reality you can buy a nice set of skewers for 20 -30 bucks, the hope sets, even halo, these both come in heaps of nice ano colours, send them back and save your money..

    if you really want to keep them put them in their proper position facing backwards, but just order a 30 buck pair, they will be as good a quality as those, your paying for the name with those for sure.
    Crank bros make a nice set, as do hope, so check those out, i just bought some halos last week for 13 bucks, they look slick and have never failed me in years of dirt jumpin, i just bought a new pair for the colour, nothing more, and for 13 bucks its nothin.
    cheeers
  • 12-28-2012
    redmr2_man
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by larsd View Post
    I probably should not have posted this in a non Europe centric forum it seems because I just realized that those products are not available outside Europe.

    Those are TUNE products. (Cant post a URL since my post count is below 10) Tune is pretty much the Chris King of Germany, quite legendary and those did get remarkable results in tests in several publications which is why I am so surprised about that. Those are pretty light 37g Titanium QRs which appear to be hand made and durable with lifetime warranty. They are 110 USD retail.

    you can find a better design on ebay from china. Spend 10-20bucks and get new skewers.

    The few sets I've weighed were 27-34g for the Ti set. So, lighter than tune...and alot cheaper.

    Cheers.
  • 12-28-2012
    bt
    shimano skewers only for me.
  • 12-28-2012
    b-kul
    id just point them so the lever just hits the fork leg.
  • 12-28-2012
    John Kuhl
    ^ What b-kul said.
  • 12-28-2012
    Mr.Magura
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by b-kul View Post
    id just point them so the lever just hits the fork leg.

    They don't lock then.

    I've had the "pleasure" of playing around with the Tune QR's, and they sure are a poor design.
    The way they're made, you can't point them backwards either.

    It's a roadie product at best, and an overpriced one.

    As somebody else wrote, Shimano makes outstanding QR's.
    They don't offer much bling effect, but they're strong and they work.

    Magura :)
  • 12-28-2012
    John Kuhl
    ^ Bummer
  • 12-28-2012
    Bike Doc
    Lifetime?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by larsd View Post
    with lifetime warranty.

    Which won't be very long if you ride with those P.O.S!

    Perhaps you could ask them if the lifetime warranty is still honored if you die because of their failure...
  • 12-28-2012
    acer66
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by b-kul View Post
    id just point them so the lever just hits the fork leg.

    :thumbsup:

    I did some digging over at mtb-news.de and while it seems they are a little tricky to set up,
    they work once you got them dialed in.
    Keep in mind Tune products are for weight weenies so they might flex more but the jury seems to be still out for that.
    If I understand that right they also have a left and right
    and I hope that not every qr's has a left and right since that would be quite embarrassing.
  • 12-28-2012
    Hutch3637
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    Just a thought... have you tried flipping the QR so the lever is on the opposite side of the disk? Example below... btw the QR in the pic is a Tune DC17.

    Attachment 748711

    Agree with everyone else though, looks to be a poor design. If you want light and don't care about price look at the DT Swiss RWS Ti if your a weight weenie or just save money and get a Shimano QR.
  • 12-28-2012
    11053
    If your fork is standard with 9mm quick release dropouts, just install the qr with the lever on the right fork leg and not the left(rotor) side.
  • 12-28-2012
    menusk
    Send them to me I'll risk riding them
  • 12-29-2012
    Mr.Magura
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Hutch3637 View Post
    Just a thought... have you tried flipping the QR so the lever is on the opposite side of the disk? Example below... btw the QR in the pic is a Tune DC17.

    Attachment 748711

    Agree with everyone else though, looks to be a poor design. If you want light and don't care about price look at the DT Swiss RWS Ti if your a weight weenie or just save money and get a Shimano QR.

    If you take a closer look at the pic the OP posted, you'll see that the version you posted a pic of, is a lot different.

    The version in your pic, is actually quite fine.


    Magura :)
  • 12-29-2012
    larsd
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    Just played around with them a little. Turning them seems to work as the lever is now almost to short to get into the spokes. However there is still a possibility in case it bends substantially.
  • 12-29-2012
    J.B. Weld
    Shimano XT.
  • 12-29-2012
    Harold
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by larsd View Post
    I probably should not have posted this in a non Europe centric forum it seems because I just realized that those products are not available outside Europe.

    Those are TUNE products. (Cant post a URL since my post count is below 10) Tune is pretty much the Chris King of Germany, quite legendary and those did get remarkable results in tests in several publications which is why I am so surprised about that. Those are pretty light 37g Titanium QRs which appear to be hand made and durable with lifetime warranty. They are 110 USD retail.

    this issue you're posting about is probably the exact reason they aren't available in the US.

    +1 on buying better skewers
  • 12-29-2012
    DIRTJUNKIE
    OP obviously you are unhappy with the performance of those skewers but you like the look. I would reccomend checking out Hope. They have made a skewer with similar looks for years. So they are top notch quality time tested skewers.
    Check them out... hope skewers - Google Search
  • 12-29-2012
    Fix the Spade
    Those things aren't safe, send them back.

    As you describe it, it sounds like they don't have a stop, so than can loosen in either direction, that's bad.

    Send them back to wherever they came from and use Shimano skewers if you like the way internal cam designs look. They're the best anyway, XTR is light and the Deore ones are cheap, pick one and never worry about a loose skewer again.
  • 12-29-2012
    larsd
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NateHawk View Post
    this issue you're posting about is probably the exact reason they aren't available in the US.

    Of course..... :skep:
  • 12-29-2012
    Harold
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by larsd View Post
    Of course..... :skep:

    basic product safety. b!tch however much you want about how the US regulates some things too much, but we're picky on product safety over here for a reason. it's hard enough for bike shop employees to teach the masses how to use a basic Shimano QR correctly, and in spite of their best attempts, many people never get it. Add this design which allows you to "tighten" the QR lever into the spokes or the brake rotor and you have a recipe for disaster.

    that lever is a bad design. expensive products sometimes do have bad designs. suck it up and move on, princess.
  • 12-29-2012
    DIRTJUNKIE
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Fix the Spade View Post
    Those things aren't safe, send them back.

    As you describe it, it sounds like they don't have a stop, so than can loosen in either direction, that's bad.

    Send them back to wherever they came from and use Shimano skewers if you like the way internal cam designs look. They're the best anyway, XTR is light and the Deore ones are cheap, pick one and never worry about a loose skewer again.

    "they're the best anyway "
    That's a rather blanket statement. Skewers are a simple design, it's not rocket science. Sure Shimano makes some good ones but whose to say they are the best. There are plenty of companies these days making as good or better depending on who you talk to.
  • 12-29-2012
    larsd
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NateHawk View Post
    basic product safety. b!tch however much you want about how the US regulates some things too much, but we're picky on product safety over here for a reason. it's hard enough for bike shop employees to teach the masses how to use a basic Shimano QR correctly, and in spite of their best attempts, many people never get it. Add this design which allows you to "tighten" the QR lever into the spokes or the brake rotor and you have a recipe for disaster.

    that lever is a bad design. expensive products sometimes do have bad designs. suck it up and move on, princess.

    Yeah, we in Europe do not have any regulations at all you know. We are running around with sticks, poking each other in the streets.

    At least we do not have to print "Do not attempt to swallow" on our Mattresses over here...
  • 12-29-2012
    portnoy
    Most of these "design experts" are talking out of their asses. Tune is very well engineered, light, and reliable. Contact them directly. The drivel I'm reading here is amazing regarding "cheap and trash." That said, the reason to buy Tune QRs is weight and mud resistance. If that's not an issue Mavic, Hope, and may others make QRs that will work fine. And, of course, put them on correctly as others have informed you.
  • 12-29-2012
    acer66
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NateHawk View Post
    basic product safety. b!tch however much you want about how the US regulates some things too much, but we're picky on product safety over here for a reason. it's hard enough for bike shop employees to teach the masses how to use a basic Shimano QR correctly, and in spite of their best attempts, many people never get it. Add this design which allows you to "tighten" the QR lever into the spokes or the brake rotor and you have a recipe for disaster.

    that lever is a bad design. expensive products sometimes do have bad designs. suck it up and move on, princess.

    How about reading, understanding and following the instructions?
    Not saying that the op is not doing that but there are a lot of people over in Germany etc. using these without problems.
    I am also not saying these are fail proof or perfect you just have to put a little more effort in using these.
  • 12-29-2012
    DIRTJUNKIE
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by msylvan View Post
    Most of these "design experts" are talking out of their asses. Tune is very well engineered, light, and reliable. Contact them directly. The drivel I'm reading here is amazing regarding "cheap and trash." That said, the reason to buy Tune QRs is weight and mud resistance. If that's not an issue Mavic, Hope, and may others make QRs that will work fine. And, of course, put them on correctly as others have informed you.

    Yuuup! ^^^ 100% agree.
  • 12-29-2012
    shibiwan
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by larsd View Post
    Yeah, we in Europe do not have any regulations at all you know. We are running around with sticks, poking each other in the streets.

    At least we do not have to print "Do not attempt to swallow" on our Mattresses over here...

    It's really less about regulations and more about liability lawsuits in this country.

    ...and to be honest, I'd also be worried that the "contoured" (read pointy) lever ends could pose an impalement risk in a hard crash. So basically, if it flips inwards, it gets caught in the brake rotor or spokes. If it accidentally flips outwards slightly (or more during the microseconds of a crash) it poses a safety hazard.

    I understand that beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but some of us here would rather make safety a higher priority. Besides, are you such a weenie that 37grams makes all that difference?

    Get some new skewers, or use those that came with your Mavic wheels. They work perfectly fine.

    -S
  • 12-29-2012
    deke505
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Hutch3637 View Post
    Just a thought... have you tried flipping the QR so the lever is on the opposite side of the disk? Example below... btw the QR in the pic is a Tune DC17.

    Attachment 748711

    Agree with everyone else though, looks to be a poor design. If you want light and don't care about price look at the DT Swiss RWS Ti if your a weight weenie or just save money and get a Shimano QR.

    ^^ this your locking lever should be on the non disk side.
  • 12-29-2012
    f3rg
    I don't get why everyone is so bent on using QRs. Seriously, you should have a 5mm wrench of some kind with you anyway, so why not just use bolt-on skewers? I get that QRs are faster to use in racing conditions, but if you're just riding for fun, then what's the point?

    I've had the same pair of Control Tech titanium bolt-ons on my bike(s) since 1999. They've lasted through 2 frames, 4 forks, and out-lasted basically every other part I've ever had. Total weight is 42 grams, there are no levers to bend or get stuck, nothing to grab on weeds, no finicky cams.
  • 12-29-2012
    shibiwan
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by f3rg View Post
    I don't get why everyone is so bent on using QRs. Seriously, you should have a 5mm wrench of some kind with you anyway, so why not just use bolt-on skewers? I get that QRs are faster to use in racing conditions, but if you're just riding for fun, then what's the point?

    I obsessively fiddle with my bike(s). Can't leave it more than a day before I do some thing or other to it, so the QR makes it easier/quicker to work on. LOL

    -S
  • 12-29-2012
    Hutch3637
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by deke505 View Post
    ^^ this your locking lever should be on the non disk side.

    Because why? ;) Some say it doesn't matter which side it's on.... but IMO for 9mm drop outs sometimes it's better to run it this way because some people find that it keeps itself tighter over time then on the disk side. Just saying... Still think you should ditch that one or call Tune.
  • 12-29-2012
    acer66
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by shibiwan View Post
    I obsessively fiddle with my bike(s). Can't leave it more than a day before I do some thing or other to it, so the QR makes it easier/quicker to work on. LOL

    -S

    What a relief, I am not alone with that urge. :D

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Hutch3637 View Post
    Because why? ;) Some say it doesn't matter which side it's on.... but IMO for 9mm drop outs sometimes it's better to run it this way because some people find that it keeps itself tighter over time then on the disk side. Just saying... Still think you should ditch that one or call Tune.

    Not sure if the OP's model has that, but there is a model which is knurled only on one side which is the disk side.
  • 12-29-2012
    deke505
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Hutch3637 View Post
    Because why? ;) Some say it doesn't matter which side it's on.... but IMO for 9mm drop outs sometimes it's better to run it this way because some people find that it keeps itself tighter over time then on the disk side. Just saying... Still think you should ditch that one or call Tune.

    Well that is the way I was taught, a few reasons why is:

    1) I was told it keeps it tighter 9 never tried the other way)
    2) when you take the wheel off or on your hand will have a less likely chance of running against the disk.
    3) it looks a little less cluttered on one side.

    But like I said it was the way I was taught, so I guess I thought that was the way is was suppose to go, never really questioned it.
  • 12-29-2012
    DIRTJUNKIE
    [QUOTE=f3rg;10018723]I don't get why everyone is so bent on using QRs. Seriously, you should have a 5mm wrench of some kind with you anyway, so why not just use bolt-on skewers? I get that QRs are faster to use in racing conditions, but if you're just riding for fun, then what's the point.



    Ummm because it's all about the levers....I mean..
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  • 12-29-2012
    Harold
    I have personal experience with a particular crappy skewer (Specialized Skraxle) loosening when the lever was on the disc side. It can happen, but it has not occurred on any shimano, salsa, or mavic skewers I've used since.

    Now I run the lever on the non disc side to keep my fingers out of the rotor for the most part. Wish that worked for the rear but I think that is a case of lesser of two evils
  • 12-29-2012
    DIRTJUNKIE
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NateHawk View Post
    I have personal experience with a particular crappy skewer (Specialized Skraxle) loosening when the lever was on the disc side. It can happen, but it has not occurred on any shimano, salsa, or mavic skewers I've used since.

    Now I run the lever on the non disc side to keep my fingers out of the rotor for the most part. Wish that worked for the rear but I think that is a case of lesser of two evils

    I have tried Shimano and Salsa both work fine. But I have always ran my lever on the left side, same side as the brake rotor. It has always been that way and would feel unnatural if I switched. One good thing about running it on that side, is when tightening the lever you can use the rotor for leverage with your fingers.

    Oh and another thing I have always done is to run the lever so it folds to the back of the bike. This is to keep it from catching on a branch or something and opening up. It also folds nicely under the bottom of the fork.
  • 12-30-2012
    shibiwan
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE, View Post
    Oh and another thing I have always done is to run the lever so it folds to the back of the bike. This is to keep it from catching on a branch or something and opening up. It also folds nicely under the bottom of the fork.

    Yes, that's what I've been doing all this time too... like this:



    -S