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    Today's Wal-Mart Hilarity, It's all on purpose!

    "We build our bikes with flat tires, loose handlebars and loose pedals, so no one rides them.... in the store" comanager Rob. Wal-Mart, 20th and wall, Ogden Utah.



    I was in Wal-Mart last night with a couple of other volunteers from our local community bike shop, (one needed to buy some slime.) and decided to check handlebar tightness. on all their bikes. and about 70% of them did this. tight enough to not be noticed right away, but loose enough to get someone killed.

    So I had a manager paged and showed him this...

    his reply was a grumpy "I know" followed by the above, italicized statement. I honestly didn't even know about the LOOSENED PEDALS. but I had to confirm it. then asked him how people that bought these bikes were to know that these bikes had been intentionally miss-built. he told me he didn't care. he just didn't want people riding them in the store.

    It never fails to surprise me. you'd think I'd be used to it by now.

    I told him how insanely, legally liable they are for this. again I was looked at like a martian.

    I then told him I'd be sending this photo to the local papers, as well as posting it in several places online.

    again he didn't care.

    People Of Wal-Mart.

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    I'm surprised he didn't banish you to the dollar store. Asst Mgr is an idiot for sure.

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    They are toys, remember?

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    Toys that, In this condition... could easily maim or kill a child.

    Then he tried to put my Soma back on the rack.

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    There is something seriously wrong with that guy. Don't let this one go.
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    It was just... It's crazy. really, the PEDALS?!

    I'm posting this wherever I can. and tomorrow, I will be emailing my local papers and contacting his store manager, and further up the food chain if need be.

    Wal-Mart bikes suck, that's fine. But this is dangerous and negligent.

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    its a shame. when you make fun of most people at walmart, youre making fun of people who are just trying to make ends meet. who doesnt want to shop at whole foods, if you can afford it.

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    Well, geeze, don'tcha know you aren't supposed to let the kids put the lead paint toys in their mouth?! Sheesh, it was all perfectly safe till you had to let irresponsible hooligans mess up a good business model!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bing! View Post
    its a shame. when you make fun of most people at walmart, youre making fun of people who are just trying to make ends meet. who doesnt want to shop at whole foods, if you can afford it.
    Misconception. You can live below the poverty line and not shop at Walmart. They don't have any sort of monopoly on low prices, and in fact, their grocery prices blow. It is all marketing, and hype. People will pay too much for **** in their store because they are *under the impression* that all their prices are super low and the store is priced for poor people.

    All wrong. No matter what you make, take your business elsewhere. There are plenty of cheaper grocery stores, and you don't need to waste money on cheap plastic **** from China while you buy food. Plenty of store outlets sell clothes just as cheap, better quality. And pretty much everything else can be ordered cheaper through online retailers with a minimal amount of price comparing.

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    I actually saw one of their singlespeeds with the crankarms mounted in parallel, like on a handcycle for the disabled. My thread with pictures of this masterpiece is here: I knew Wal-Mart bikes were poorly assembled, but..

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    Your comparing Wal Mart to a bike shop, which is kind of immature.
    There are many reasons why the bikes aren't put together completely at Walmart. Partly is they don't want kids riding the bikes in the store and running into customers, I'm sure it's happened many many times. Another is if they straightened out the handlebars then it probably would not fit on the display stand. Everyone knows and has known that WalMart bikes need assembly, it's always been that way and always will be. Again, you are comparing it to a bike shop, there is you're mistake.
    OP, you seriously have no leg to stand on, absolutely none.

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    What i wanna know is how do you sell a bike at $97 and still make a profit on it.
    I wonder how much it cost to make one in china or thailand and ship it over?
    On another note, anybody that buys a bike for under $100 bucks cant ask for too much, thats askin for trouble.
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    They mark up roughly around 200-300 %.
    Walmart/kmart probably buys them for around 30-40 buks from the wholesaler. It's the only way a conglomerate can survive.

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    I assembled bikes/powerwheels, etc at Toys r Us when I was in high school. We would purposely leave items loose on bikes, nothing too loose, but loose enough to move easily. It was done partly because a kid won't ride a bike around the store if he can't sit comfortably on it. We would also build them loose as a sales feature. Toy stores, big box retailers don't have the staff with a knowledge base that bike shops have. Believe it or not, a lot of people, new parents especially, do not know much about bikes. I could not even begin to tell you how many times I would see a parent put their kid on a bike that was the proper size, but because the seat was too low, or the bars were bent forward too much, they would walk away thinking the bike was not a good fit. A lot of people don't know that bikes, especially kids bikes are adjustable. I had to explain this many times to people. When the bike is built loose, a parent puts their kid on the bike, sees the parts move and can adjust the bike right there in the store accordingly, rather than just assume the bike is the wrong size and walk away. It is also not practical to leave tools around for bikes that are not quick-release equipped so people can adjust the bike to see if it fits. Not everyone can shop at bike shops or build their own bikes. Not everyone really cares about their bikes. Not everyone wants a kids bike that will last years. When I worked at Toys r us, I would sell many, many more bikes based on low price rather than quality. I don't fault people for shopping that way, it is simply a matter of personal preference. Not every kid needs a downhill bike, not every adult needs a commuter. When I was growing up, I had a schwinn predator, I would ride it a few block to the baseball field, jump off it while it was still speeding along, watch it crash in the dirt, or better yet, into a tree, then go play ball. Looking back I am glad my parents didn't spend hundreds of dollars on that bike. Walmart bikes have their place in the world, nothing wrong with them

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    In general and as a matter of principle all consumers should boycott Walmart, they are a blight on humanity.

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    13 years ago my brother nearly died because Canadian Tire had a Recalled CCM Heat out on the floor that we unfortunately purchased with obviously not knowing the recall. Next summer he's on his way home from work and ends up in the Emerg with a slice from between his eyes up to the top of his head and back down around his ear, PLUS a large gaping hole on his cheek. The recall was basically because the forks were falling right out of the frame, this had happened to my bro. His head hit the rim which sliced him open but also saved his life, was less of an impact landing on bendable steel rather than firm asphalt... and the hole in his cheek was from the nut locking on the tire... A large out-of-court settlement still doesn't heal scars, I hope Wally mart gets what's coming to them.

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    not surprising. walmart cant put a grill together right, you expect them to get bikes right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by shawnt2012 View Post
    I hope Wally mart gets what's coming to them.
    I hope not, because that means somebody else has been severly injured. But no matter what a person can or can't afford to buy, he or she deserves a safe product. Probably the sales persons and people who buy at Wallmart do not know the parts need tightening before riding.

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    Has anyone taken the time to photograph and document these issues and forward them to the corporate offices in Ark?

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    Walmart managers are known to be IMPOSSIBLE to deal with...unless you're asking for a refund. LOL.
    Had 2 eye doctor's leases with them. Let's just say they are impossible to talk to on a normal level. It takes threatening legal action or citing contract breaches to get anywhere with them. they'd rather go that route than be cordial. It's truly unbelievable.
    They will put Coke machines right next to the Dr's entrance and make it impossible to even see the entrance. i knew that and had it written in my contract they couldn't put the machines within a certain distance of the entrance. Yup, a few months into things the Coke machines were almost blocking the entrance. Took them 2 WEEKS to move them. This is just one MINOR problem I encountered with them. I walked out one day and never returned. Took them 1.5 years to get another Dr in there.
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    You folks need to seriously boycott Walmart, they are one of the major reasons why America's economy is so weak. The crap bikes is just the tip of the iceberg.

    Go to top documentary films.com and you can find a film about Walmart under the Economics file. Its all there and more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikemaya View Post
    Misconception. You can live below the poverty line and not shop at Walmart. They don't have any sort of monopoly on low prices, and in fact, their grocery prices blow. It is all marketing, and hype. People will pay too much for **** in their store because they are *under the impression* that all their prices are super low and the store is priced for poor people.

    All wrong. No matter what you make, take your business elsewhere. There are plenty of cheaper grocery stores, and you don't need to waste money on cheap plastic **** from China while you buy food. Plenty of store outlets sell clothes just as cheap, better quality. And pretty much everything else can be ordered cheaper through online retailers with a minimal amount of price comparing.
    yeah, i'm sure people go to walmart for the ambience.

    ive only been in there about 5 times in the last ten years. im glad i dont have to go. but i know school teachers who buy supplies there, out of pocket, and a handy man who buys food. thats what i know. maybe you know people who like the interior decor, i dont know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bing! View Post
    yeah, i'm sure people go to walmart for the ambience.

    ive only been in there about 5 times in the last ten years. im glad i dont have to go. but i know school teachers who buy supplies there, out of pocket, and a handy man who buys food. thats what i know. maybe you know people who like the interior decor, i dont know.
    I know school teachers who buy stuff, out of pocket, from everywhere BUT walmart. I also know plenty of poor people who buy food from other grocery stores. I am one of them. I save a ton of money going to Winco instead of wally world. I save a ton of headache and spend the same amount going to a regular Stater Brothers. Because regular grocery stores have much deeper markdowns and better sales as well, many times I end up saving the most money at a regular grocery store if I find lots of good deals. I will give you some insight about shopping when poor; the shopping list is only a guideline or suggestion. You actually only buy what is on sale at a GOOD price, because you are trying to get the most food for your tight budget. There are compromises when you want to buy better stuff than $50 worth of ramen noodles, so you shop sales to get the most decent food you can. If you barrel through a store without looking at prices, there will be a few things in your cart you are paying a ridiculous amount for, and most of the rest you can find cheaper somewhere else or if you wait for a sale. They get people like me when I need something specific for a recipe, and have no choice if I don't want to run around town trying to save a few bucks. Walmart does the EXACT same thing, the biggest difference is they claim their prices are *always* low, so their sales are never very good. If you shop sales, you end up with a cart full of cheap junk food or prepackaged boxed **** from Walmart for the same price as a cart full of fresh butcher meat, gorgeous veggies, and other raw ingredients from a real store. It has happened to me too many times to count. And we are WONDERING why obesity is out of control?!

    You see, Walmart will under price a few things that THEY take very little loss from (you know, chips and soda, which are handled by vendors who take the hit...) and give you shitty prices on everything else. Ever buy meat there? Good, don't. It all comes in frozen, processed off site (because they eliminated all butchers when they unionized a few years ago. True story!), and the prices are worse than stuff fresh from the butcher at a regular grocery store. It also always looks like ****... because, you know, it came in FROZEN. The 'sales' on it are also the worst sales I have ever seen on meat. They are more of an advertisement than a markdown.

    I have also talked to many, many people who have worked for companies that supplied walmart. They HATED working with them. Walmart uses nasty tactics with small companies, using a bait and switch. They will quote a project for one price, and once the small company begins production, walmart will lower their offer. They know the small company is screwed and have to accept it because they can't float the extra product if the deal goes through.

    When it comes to returns, walmart accepts ANYTHING. Step 1: Buy a vacuum from walmart, any brand you want, as long as it is roughly the same size as your old one. Step 2: stuff your grimy old one in the box from the new one you just brought home. Step 3: return box with your old vacuum to walmart. Throw a fit if the customer service person is one of the few who gives a **** and tells you they can't accept it. Get a manager involved, they will give you the refund. Step 4: old vacuum is sent back to company who makes vacuums, because THEY are the ones who have to pay for it. They cannot refuse anything from walmart, or they risk their contract and their very business itself.

    How the hell could you own a business that is regularly screwed by walmart's policies and not hate them? How could you work for someone who has to deal with that ******** and not hate them? It is easy to stand on the side and give a pass to wally world just because YOU aren't negatively affected by what they do. But walk a mile, and you will hate them too.

    Speaking of ambiance, that is why many people avoid the place. Kids running around wild? Screaming babies? Staff that is impossible to find, and when you do, they usually don't care? The huge size that makes it so you have to circle the store multiple times unless you are a regular who has the place memorized? The messes EVERYWHERE? These are all things tied into store policies. They don't kick out parents and their rowdy children, they understaff and demoralize their workers, and they make the place huge and spread departments all over in strategic ways so you are forced to go through the whole store. They do that so you are more likely to impulse buy something you didn't go there for.

    You can be poor and still have standards. I find it insulting to say that poor people HAVE to put up with that walmart trash to survive. It just isn't true.

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    I'll continue my story started above.
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    They had a good Optical Dept manager(very rare). I got along with him great. After 3 months they moved him to another location and told me they would get a new one. 3 months later, no manager. No way I could tell their employees what to do. I talked to the District Optical manager and made this deal with him: Drop my rent for the total time there wasn't an optical manager, including after the time they get one. 9 total months later, an optical manager and she was barely adequate BUT she took my rent from me like the deal I worked out with the DM. DM comes in and hands me a letter from Walmart Corporate. Yup.....for back rent on the old rent scale. I reminded him of our deal and in his own words "We never had that discussion". I left that day and never returned. Gave them a bill for 1 dollar more than the "back rent" for painting and office improvements.
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    Never, ever, EVER make a handshake deal with a manager from wally world, even for the smallest things. They WILL screw you. I am still too sore and bent about it to share my own story, because all I ever get is 'you should have gotten it on paper'! I actually TRUST people and their word... stupid me!

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    Let's not even start talking about their pharmacy...Saturday went to refill a prescription and here it is Wednesday and they haven't even called the doctor to authorize it yet...called a local pharmacy and wham it's ready to roll.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SV11 View Post
    They mark up roughly around 200-300 %.
    Walmart/kmart probably buys them for around 30-40 buks from the wholesaler. It's the only way a conglomerate can survive.

    The retail markup on those bikes is about $10.00. I work part time at a sporting goods retailer that sells bikes (Trek & Fuji). We also carry Mongoose, & Schwinn to compete with the box stores. Sad thing is, that after they pay me to PROPERLY assemble one of those things, they net even less than that. I figure that after everything is added up, we probably actually LOSE money on every one of those bikes we sell.

    Of course WalMart has much more clout than my store, so they probably get the same bike for a few bukcs less than we do. They also have Timmy in the back room assembling them with an adjustable wrench & a pair of plyers as fast as he can. Timmy is most likely making little more than minimum wage while performing this "service". The profit margin is razor thin even at that.

    What you have to remember is that WalMart probably sells 100 bikes in my community to every on 1 bike that the LBS sells. Crap profit margin on 100 crap bikes is close to decent profit margin on one QUALITY bike.
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    You guys may not have to boycott Walmart. I hear the employes are planning a walkout on Black Friday.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frozenspokes View Post
    What you have to remember is that WalMart probably sells 100 bikes in my community to every on 1 bike that the LBS sells. Crap profit margin on 100 crap bikes is close to decent profit margin on one QUALITY bike.
    So what you're saying is, even though they are losing money on each bike they sell, they are making it up with volume?
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    FYI, They don't do that in my local store. They are assembled fully.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikemaya View Post
    I am still too sore and bent about it to share my own story,
    No sh!t? From reading this thread, plenty of your "own story" comes through pretty clear.

    Once again, I love how every Wally-Bike thread devolves into W-Mart bashing. Not a big fan myself but seriously, do people really spend this much time developing, kindling, fostering their hate toward anything and the story that goes with it? Life's too short.
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    I love Wal-Mart. Not gonna buy my mountain bike there, nor my next guitar, but I buy lots of things there. Just sayin. It's not like they are telling me their stuff is the highest quality available. It's a discount store. I shouldn't expect to get high quality items at a discount store. I go there for the discount.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Malibu412 View Post
    So what you're saying is, even though they are losing money on each bike they sell, they are making it up with volume?
    actually yes. As far as the volume thing goes, the more bikes they sell, the more he has to assemble in a day. Let's say he gets $100 a day. If he assembles 6 bikes a day, thier cost per bike is $16.66 Much less that if he only assembled 2 bikes per day, $50 each. The overhead cost of paying the assembler is something that happens whether or not they sell the bike. They paid the guy for the time he was present at the store, whether or not the bike sold. By not selling the bike they lost his full salary. By selling at a slight loss, they got some of their overhead back, maybe not all of it. The more bikes they sell, the more they get back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Malibu412 View Post
    No sh!t? From reading this thread, plenty of your "own story" comes through pretty clear.

    Once again, I love how every Wally-Bike thread devolves into W-Mart bashing. Not a big fan myself but seriously, do people really spend this much time developing, kindling, fostering their hate toward anything and the story that goes with it? Life's too short.

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    XD, I love the maroon that didn't notice that I AM THE ONE that turned those handlebars like that. then totally drank the Kool-Aid.

    And here's the part where I let you know I WAS a Bike builder for Wal-Mart for two years.

    I know the profit margins. I especially know how bad some of the builders are. once my manager realized he had an ACTUAL bike mechanic building bikes... I was tasked with checking the other builders work. daily.

    I was also the only one NOT expected to "Build" 20 bikes a day.

    I might have had to build their crap, but I didn't build it crappy.

    I loved the look on their faces when I ordered grease or a spoke tension gauge.

    particularly the spoke tension gauge. Or a proper chain breaker.

    Or basically any tool that could not also build a BBQ grill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frozenspokes View Post
    The retail markup on those bikes is about $10.00. I work part time at a sporting goods retailer that sells bikes (Trek & Fuji). We also carry Mongoose, & Schwinn to compete with the box stores. Sad thing is, that after they pay me to PROPERLY assemble one of those things, they net even less than that. I figure that after everything is added up, we probably actually LOSE money on every one of those bikes we sell.

    Of course WalMart has much more clout than my store, so they probably get the same bike for a few bukcs less than we do. They also have Timmy in the back room assembling them with an adjustable wrench & a pair of plyers as fast as he can. Timmy is most likely making little more than minimum wage while performing this "service". The profit margin is razor thin even at that.

    What you have to remember is that WalMart probably sells 100 bikes in my community to every on 1 bike that the LBS sells. Crap profit margin on 100 crap bikes is close to decent profit margin on one QUALITY bike.
    No, you are wrong. $10 profit on each bike, are you out of your mind. How the hell is a conglomerate to survive if they are only making 10 buks profit. I know for a fact that sport stores have much less profit, but thats not the case with walmart. I see sports stores closing left right and centre, not kmart/walmart though. Another reason sports stores profit margins are low is becasue they assemble it, so profit is just giong down and down to the point your only getting $10 on each bike, walmart is much smarter otherwise they would of closed their doors 20-30 yrs agol At a sports store, you have 2,3 or 4 employers, with walkmar/kmart you have hundreds.

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    When you buy 20,000 of the same bike. you'd be amazed at the deal you can get.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agwan View Post
    When you buy 20,000 of the same bike. you'd be amazed at the deal you can get.
    yes and when you have a slave camp army of third world workers on fifty cents a day welding these things together and a local government who bend over backwards and give out tax incentives for them to build their stores and finally a legion of sales staff on minimum wage with zero benefits then it gets really easy to maintain margins.

    what benefit do you think Walmart adds to society? People say they create jobs, crap, they wreck every small town hardware and grocery store around. Nothing in their stores come from local or even American suppliers.

    They are as un-american as they come. You folks should seriously boycott their stores as they are a major contributor to the USA's economic decline.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stepitup_onenotch View Post
    yes and when you have a slave camp army of third world workers on fifty cents a day welding these things together
    Yeah, at a factory just down the road from the factory where some of our Treks, Speshys, Giants, etc are being welded together. Hell, maybe in the same factory!

    I guess onenotch and everyone else here b!tching about W-Mart buys only handmade US frames? Keep up the self-righteous double standard, my friends.
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    Our local Walmart has bike building contests. They set out a ton of bike boxes, ready, set, go! First one done gets to keep the bike. All the rest get put on the rack for sale. That's how you get "sh!t" done.
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    Blatantly loose handlebars and/or stem I can see but pedals? That just sounds like they don't have the correct tools.

    I'm also assuming that they don't tighten up the stem/bars when selling it? When you buy a bike does the customer literally just roll it to the cash register then walk out? I have no idea but I'd hope somebody would be there in between that happening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malibu412 View Post
    Yeah, at a factory just down the road from the factory where some of our Treks, Speshys, Giants, etc are being welded together. Hell, maybe in the same factory!

    I guess onenotch and everyone else here b!tching about W-Mart buys only handmade US frames? Keep up the self-righteous double standard, my friends.
    It is impossible to go through life without buying something that hasn't been manufactured off-shore. Anyone wearing a pair of running shoes for example. It is rare to come across any article of clothing that has been made at "home". No denying that.

    Wal-Mart is in a league of their own however and I think that needs to be recognized. US society would be a much better place today without Wal-Mart. There are too many strikes against them and people should ***** about them, they deserve it all and more.

    For the record my old Norco is designed and made in Canada, my new SJ carbon comp 29 FSR is designed in USA, not sure where they made the frame and I can't see it written anywhere on the bike.

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    @ ^^^^ So, I guess a little bit of exploitation is okay, just not too much.

    Your Speshy carbon is laid up in China, at $.50/day. Feel confident with it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Malibu412 View Post
    @ ^^^^ So, I guess a little bit of exploitation is okay, just not too much.

    Your Speshy carbon is laid up in China, at $.50/day. Feel confident with it?
    Made in Taiwan or China? Not that is really matters but if you know for sure I would like to know.

    Specialized and Trek and lots of other major manufacturers get frames and parts made off shore. They are all chasing cheap labour, no denying that and impossible to avoid in almost any product these days.

    Wal-Mart is very different however, not only do they exploit abroad but they exploit at home as well. Wal-Mart does not give back to society, they don't even give back to their own workers. I find it completely pathetic that a single family worth approx $40 billion cannot provide their workers with simple health benefits. Why would anyone want to defend a company like that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stepitup_onenotch View Post
    Made in Taiwan or China?
    Most current CF frames are coming from China.

    Quote Originally Posted by stepitup_onenotch View Post
    Why would anyone want to defend a company like that?
    How is what I said defending this company in any way? I think of it more like calling people on their BS. If you're going to vilify Walmart, shouldn't the same finger point at any company that outsources labor to lower priced markets and wrangles cheaper supply lines with various heavy-handed methods? Shouldn't the same finger point at you because, by your own admission, you buy the crap? No, I don't defend Walmart. I just choose to not shred them until I actually know facts and decide to do something actually real and consistent about the problems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Malibu412 View Post
    Most current CF frames are coming from China.



    How is what I said defending this company in any way? I think of it more like calling people on their BS. If you're going to vilify Walmart, shouldn't the same finger point at any company that outsources labor to lower priced markets and wrangles cheaper supply lines with various heavy-handed methods? Shouldn't the same finger point at you because, by your own admission, you buy the crap? No, I don't defend Walmart. I just choose to not shred them until I actually know facts and decide to do something actually real and consistent about the problems.
    There is a film you can find via Google called: Wal Mart the High Cost of Low Prices. That would be a good place to start. It is not the only point of reference however and I can point to more material. There are also a few people on this thread with their own personal stories about Wal Mart.

    And I am doing something about the problem by expressing concerns in this open forum where hopefully a few thousand people are reading and maybe some will check out the film. Advocating a boycott on Wal Mart is not a double standard for having purchased a bike made in China or my Nikes made in the Philippines or my T-shirt from Bangladesh. At least the last Park tool I bought is made in the USA!

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    Being critical of WalMart is low hanging fruit, folks. Easy picking.

    They aren't a high-end cycling boutique, and should not be criticized as such. Loose, poor building of cheap hi-ten steel bicycles from WalMart is a surprise? Awkward employees with lack of passion for their job and iffy intelligence levels at WalMart worth writing about?

    We should be critical of popular bike manufacturers, stocking bikes with cheap, springy forks and pot metal drivetrains priced at the $400-600 price range. I know the mark-up is due to the LBS needing to make profit on such a bike, but some of the POS factory "entry level" bikes I see at the LBS make me raise an eyebrow. I view these cheap CrapRocks as "throw aways", which is sad.

    WalMart? This is a department store and I'm not surprised by the quality. I mean, you can buy your groceries and a bike in the same store - why are we being highly critical of their bikes? It's so obvious that they are junk, and the prices say so.

    I am disappointed at some of the $400-$600 entry level bikes offered by the large manufacturers, though, and appalled at the junk they outfit these frames with. This is who we should be critical of, not the low hanging fruit of the Evil Empire called WalMart.

    ...and OOH! This is going to turn into a Made in China bashing thread soon. Can't wait to see how you all argue about that, typing on your computers/smartphones that were MADE IN CHINA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LarryWallwart View Post
    actually yes. As far as the volume thing goes, the more bikes they sell, the more he has to assemble in a day. Let's say he gets $100 a day. If he assembles 6 bikes a day, thier cost per bike is $16.66 Much less that if he only assembled 2 bikes per day, $50 each. The overhead cost of paying the assembler is something that happens whether or not they sell the bike. They paid the guy for the time he was present at the store, whether or not the bike sold. By not selling the bike they lost his full salary. By selling at a slight loss, they got some of their overhead back, maybe not all of it. The more bikes they sell, the more they get back.
    You're assuming assembling bikes is all he does, even on a slow bike day. That's not how it works. If he's not assembling bikes he'll be restocking Cheeze Wiz & panties, or cleaning toilets & retrieving shopping carts. Nobody on the payroll sits still very long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stepitup_onenotch View Post
    And I am doing something about the problem ...
    While you continue to buy products from companies that all play a variation of the same global market game.

    Potato-potato. Agree to disagree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malibu412 View Post
    Dion: bulls eye.
    I was at the Evil Empire the other day looking at their higher priced MTB's out of curiosity. Let's spec a $250 WalGoose and an "entry level" bike made by The Big One (Specialized)...

    Cheap square taper, pot metal cranks, 8 sp. Altus, loose ball bearing hubs, etc. You may get a better seat post and name brand tires with The Big One, but the overall specs are very similar. Yet one is $250 and the other is $550. And in the end, it's all made and drop shipped from China, so where's the $300 come from? The LBS isn't making $300 off the bike - is it? I guess there are hundreds of costs of running such a company (like having a team, marketing, etc.) but I'm sure it is all very profitable. I'm not implying that Specialized is as rich and powerful as WalMart, but the end result and the bottom line is what draws people to buy a crap bike from WalMart, as opposed to the LBS.

    I truly believe that The Big One and others can definitely make a quality, new model $300 bike for consumers so they don't have to rely on WalEvil to purchase from. With proper marketing, consumers can be persuaded that's it's okay to have a rigid fork as opposed to a crap pogo in front and that you don't need 4000 gears to cruise along the bike path.

    It's a shame they they also have to resort to putting the same crap parts on their frames as WalMart does, the only difference, at that point, being brand name stickers on the frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArmySlowRdr View Post
    I'm surprised he didn't banish you to the dollar store. Asst Mgr is an idiot for sure.
    I love the Dollar Store! I don't have to get all dressed up like I do for Walmart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malibu412 View Post
    While you continue to buy products from companies that all play a variation of the same global market game.

    Potato-potato. Agree to disagree.

    Dion: bulls eye.
    why don't you put your money where your mouth is, check out the film and then come back to this thread.

    there seems to be a fair number of people on this site who care enough about the environment to use bikes instead of cars, not a big leap to imagine they care just as much about society in general.

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    On the topic of hypocricy, double-standard, etc.

    1. Let's say, for simplicity, that buying stuff from Walmart is bad (pick your reason).
    2. Let's say, further, that buying stuff from trekgiantpivotssantacruzspecialized (sorry!) is bad, because your reason from #1 happens to apply to your (and mine!) favorite bike company and someone just pointed it out and called you a hypocrite on mtbr.com

    That person is using the word hypocrite wrong.

    If you take 100 'actions' of some moral relevance (where you can assign good/bad, whether it's from whom you bought your bike, or how nice you were to your neighbor)

    20 good 80 bad is better than 0 good 100 bad.
    5 good 95 bad is better than 0 good 100 bad.
    1 good 99 bad is better than 0 good 100 bad.

    Get it?

    Hypocrisy is the difference between actions and one's puffed up talk about actions.
    Someone who is actually trying to make even a small, incremental difference should be praised and encouraged, not **** on.

    (Unless they buy one handmade domestic bike, spend all the rest of their time at walmart, but use the bike to impress all the cute anti-corporate cuties, in which case they're a hypocrite).

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    Nothing in their stores come from local or even American suppliers.
    Not true. There are plenty of items at Walmart made here. Books, magazines, rifles, shotguns, etc.

    We should be critical of popular bike manufacturers, stocking bikes with cheap, springy forks and pot metal drivetrains priced at the $400-600 price range. I know the mark-up is due to the LBS needing to make profit on such a bike, but some of the POS factory "entry level" bikes I see at the LBS make me raise an eyebrow. I view these cheap CrapRocks as "throw aways", which is sad.
    A $600 dollar bike is not a throw away bike. My last bike was around $600 and it had very decent parts. It also had the most technology I have ever owned on a mountain bike.

    And for the record I worked at Walmart for about 3 years. I've seen how they treat the workers because I was treated like that and I agree they need to change some things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kona0197 View Post
    Not true. There are plenty of items at Walmart made here. Books, magazines, rifles, shotguns, etc.


    The preponderance of items at WallyWorld are made off shore.


    A $600 dollar bike is not a throw away bike.
    Depends on who you ask.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Tone's View Post
    What i wanna know is how do you sell a bike at $97 and still make a profit on it.
    I wonder how much it cost to make one in china or thailand and ship it over?
    On another note, anybody that buys a bike for under $100 bucks cant ask for too much, thats askin for trouble.
    That $97 bike costs WM about $72. You do the math from there. And NO, they're...I can't insult turds by comparing them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Agwan View Post
    XD, I love the maroon that didn't notice that I AM THE ONE that turned those handlebars like that. then totally drank the Kool-Aid.

    And here's the part where I let you know I WAS a Bike builder for Wal-Mart for two years.

    I know the profit margins. I especially know how bad some of the builders are. once my manager realized he had an ACTUAL bike mechanic building bikes... I was tasked with checking the other builders work. daily.

    I was also the only one NOT expected to "Build" 20 bikes a day.

    I might have had to build their crap, but I didn't build it crappy.

    I loved the look on their faces when I ordered grease or a spoke tension gauge.

    particularly the spoke tension gauge. Or a proper chain breaker.

    Or basically any tool that could not also build a BBQ grill.
    "My" store has TWO actual mechs; we are the only ones who build. From time to time, the thickheads (you can ID them cuz they all wear MGR badges) want to farm out some of the building to the auto techs (if they screw up putting the bolt back in the oil pan, why have them build a bike? REALLY?), and DON'T get it when I tell them that the time it takes me to check what THEY build is as long as what it would take ME to build THE SAME BIKE, so they're not saving any time or money...they just look at me and say, "Set some aside for them to build." Sometimes I actually do, and let the process run its course. They haven't learned yet, but hey, I'm paid by the hour.

    Both of us have 10+ in with the Corporate Antichrist, doing this job. I don't get pulled for the grunt work too much anymore, I FIND things to stay busy with. Being the guy who can figure sh** out better than anyone else earns you a lot of respect from people who need directions to change a light bulb. (I'm NOT kidding!)

    Seriously, folks, find that video; what will shock you is that what you see there, with Lee Scott as CEO, is "the good old days". It's worse now, exponentially.

    As far as the clown who wants the bikes built like that to keep kids from riding them, HE'S probably the reason we can't have & do things we used to! My store is 6 years old now, we were given bolt-in ceiling hooks for the bikes at grand opening, and now we can't hang bikes in the ceiling any more. We're also not allowed to have ANY sort of grinder (we HAD a portable, my old store mgr let me take it home for $5 when we were told it wasn't allowed any more). That practice would result in ZERO bike sales at my store, because the prima donnas we deal with don't realize seats raise and lower! We HAVE to build them to 'the best they can get' in order to SELL them. It's a real SMDH time when a saggy-pantsed ghetto thug won't buy a $139 MTB BSO because it's got a cracked reflector, or will return one FOR a cracked reflector.

    We get returns with the STATED REASON: "DON'T NEED IT NO MORE."
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    One of my best friends works at Walfart in Texas.

    1. the guys that put grills together, some appliances also put bikes together. thats all they do they're called "assemblers"
    2. co managers only care if kids ride the bikes or skateboards in the store. The OP was right.
    3. management also cares less about the welfare of the employee. example: when they had that shooter at Ft Hood and the traffic was snarled due to police my friend was written up tardy anyways
    for being late.
    4. employees and managers do get bonuses each quarter if the store cuts a nice profit. employee bonuses suck, managers make the real money
    5. yes, beware that not everything is discounted. target has better prices.
    6. not a obama fan nor a romney fan but don't believe that big business helps create jobs. Walfart
    only hires people because people quit or get fired there every day. here's another:
    at my job (owned by giant Time-Warner) one of our staff is leaving tomorrow for another job. I asked my boss who we are going to replace her with. he said niobody, we're gonna to have to buckle down and distribute her work. Great! Chalk up another for the big business creates jobs theorists.

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    Walfart isn't the only box store that treats its employees poorly. I've been there done that. I worked for Dicks when they bought Galyans (who I worked for) it took about a week for me to quit. Galyans paid me well and gave me benefits. Dicks cut me to 4hrs/wk to force me to quit because I was expensive. Galyans hired me because of my outdoor experience and skills so I could share some of that with customers. Dicks wanted min wage shelf stockers.

    I also worked for EMS in Pittsburgh shortly before that store got closed. Management treated me well at the local level but it was apparent for awhile that corporate was just waiting for our lease to expire so they could close the doors and get rid of us. Twas sad.

    It seems to be more a rule now than the exception. Big biz doesn't value their employees because they can always find someone to do the job for less money. Some small biz can be that way, too. My wife felt undervalued at her last job (only a handful of employees). Her boss would say he valued her and then do something that showed he did not value her as much as he said. So far the new place (which is a much larger business) values her much more and gives her more control than she used to have.

    What's my point? Not to be surprised that a company treats its employees like trash. You can see in their faces usually how they are treated. And it reflects in how they treat customers and coworkers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snfoilhat View Post
    1. Let's say, for simplicity, that buying stuff from Walmart is bad (pick your reason).
    2. Let's say, further, that buying stuff from trekgiantpivotssantacruzspecialized (sorry!) is bad, because your reason from #1 happens to apply to your (and mine!) favorite bike company and someone just pointed it out and called you a hypocrite on mtbr.com

    That person is using the word hypocrite wrong.

    If you take 100 'actions' of some moral relevance (where you can assign good/bad, whether it's from whom you bought your bike, or how nice you were to your neighbor)

    20 good 80 bad is better than 0 good 100 bad.
    5 good 95 bad is better than 0 good 100 bad.
    1 good 99 bad is better than 0 good 100 bad.

    Get it?

    Hypocrisy is the difference between actions and one's puffed up talk about actions.
    Someone who is actually trying to make even a small, incremental difference should be praised and encouraged, not **** on.

    (Unless they buy one handmade domestic bike, spend all the rest of their time at walmart, but use the bike to impress all the cute anti-corporate cuties, in which case they're a hypocrite).

    Continue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NateHawk View Post
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    What's my point? Not to be surprised that a company treats its employees like trash. You can see in their faces usually how they are treated. And it reflects in how they treat customers and coworkers.
    Partial quote for emphasis. I strongly agree.

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    Walmart's business model>yours.
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    You mean to tell me that Walmart doesn't care about people???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tone's View Post
    ''Get it'' LOL, No, not even remotely get it , what are you trying to say here foilhat?
    My sentiments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stepitup_onenotch View Post
    why don't you put your money where your mouth is, check out the film and then come back to this thread.

    there seems to be a fair number of people on this site who care enough about the environment to use bikes instead of cars, not a big leap to imagine they care just as much about society in general.
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    He doesn't want people riding the bikes in the store? So, you're just supposed to take the bike home without riding it?
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    4. employees and managers do get bonuses each quarter if the store cuts a nice profit. employee bonuses suck, managers make the real money
    Walmart recently took away the bonuses for employees.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NateHawk View Post
    Walfart isn't the only box store that treats its employees poorly. I've been there done that. I worked for Dicks when they bought Galyans (who I worked for) it took about a week for me to quit. Galyans paid me well and gave me benefits. Dicks cut me to 4hrs/wk to force me to quit because I was expensive. Galyans hired me because of my outdoor experience and skills so I could share some of that with customers. Dicks wanted min wage shelf stockers.

    I also worked for EMS in Pittsburgh shortly before that store got closed. Management treated me well at the local level but it was apparent for awhile that corporate was just waiting for our lease to expire so they could close the doors and get rid of us. Twas sad.

    It seems to be more a rule now than the exception. Big biz doesn't value their employees because they can always find someone to do the job for less money. Some small biz can be that way, too. My wife felt undervalued at her last job (only a handful of employees). Her boss would say he valued her and then do something that showed he did not value her as much as he said. So far the new place (which is a much larger business) values her much more and gives her more control than she used to have.

    What's my point? Not to be surprised that a company treats its employees like trash. You can see in their faces usually how they are treated. And it reflects in how they treat customers and coworkers.
    Well you just describe most corporations in North America.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kona0197 View Post
    Walmart recently took away the bonuses for employees.
    So has a lot of other corporations. Walmart is no different from them.

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    Good to see some healthy discussion on Wal Mart. The only positive comment ever mentioned are their cheap prices and even then it may not be the case. Lots of negative comments, tons of them.

    Pretty safe to say that China is the assembly plant for the US and Europe. Just about everything is made there, from your Apple I products to Dell computers to bike frames and to most likely 50% of the components in your average Ford, Chevy or Dodge. Impossible to escape buying something that is not made in China.

    One could argue that Wal Mart is like every one else in that they chase cheap labour off shore which is true. The difference is that Wal Mart not only exploits its own staff and managers but exploits local governments who bend over backwards (god knows why) by building roads and infrastructure to the new stores and they even get tax incentives from local governments to build the stores.

    Furthermore when a Wal Mart store goes in it kills all competing local businesses in the area. 99% of their products are sourced off shore so it also kills any local manufacturing and local supply chains. And then people who get jobs at Wal Mart can't even afford to pay their own health insurance and thus further drain public finances. Meanwhile Wal Mart is a private company, owned by a family of 5 worth about $40 billion.

    As stated previously in this thread they are as un-American as they come and it would be great to see a movement to boycott their stores. My guess is that 80% of the people who work there would love to work somewhere else if possible anyways.

    There are alot of ills in society and impossible to tackle them all. Wal Mart is one of the worst and is as good a place to start as any other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deke505 View Post
    Well you just describe most corporations in North America.
    More or less. If you want to support companies who do better you will have to look hard

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    Walmart is what it is. And we pretty much all know it.

    And yet, if they sell a kid a bike, and that kid rides that bike...

    or even an adult...isn't that better than riding the couch?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldfatbaldguy View Post
    Walmart is what it is. And we pretty much all know it.

    And yet, if they sell a kid a bike, and that kid rides that bike...

    or even an adult...isn't that better than riding the couch?
    I don't know riding a couch looks fun.

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    A couple folks here (OP included) have said that managers do not want kids riding the bikes in the stores, so they do things to the bikes to prevent it. I don't doubt their observations and experiences, I just don't see them where I am. Hell, I AM THE ONE who objects to the riding!

    Now, I have to qualify that -- a short test ride, to see if it fits/can fit, that everything works, that the person can handle it...no problem. But I have SEEN 'non-parents' allow their kids to just joyride the bikes through the store, over to groceries, and just LEAVE them when it's time to go. Excuse me, people, this isn't the boys & girls club, it's not a playground. One child, about 9, 2x the size of a bike he chose to joyride, slammed the bike down and broke a reflector because he was told to get off the bike. COLLEGE COEDS have tried to ride toddler bikes!

    We've had to throw away a couple hundred dollars worth of hula-hoops ($5 each) because kids come over, grab them, play with them, step on them and bend them, and happily skip away.

    Walmart is as big as it is largely because of how they handle "revenue out"; benefits suck, hours are never guaranteed, and each store suffers its own losses while passing along profits. Stores are 20% understaffed, and we have to accept the invective of the irate customer, even to the point of being cursed out.
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    One could argue that Wal Mart is like every one else in that they chase cheap labour off shore which is true. The difference is that Wal Mart not only exploits its own staff and managers but exploits local governments who bend over backwards (god knows why) by building roads and infrastructure to the new stores and they even get tax incentives from local governments to build the stores.
    It is funny that you brought that up. In the next town over Lowe's finally got approved after years in the planning stage and many arguments yet Walmart went in without that much trouble if any at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigpedaler View Post
    A couple folks here (OP included) have said that managers do not want kids riding the bikes in the stores, so they do things to the bikes to prevent it. I don't doubt their observations and experiences, I just don't see them where I am. Hell, I AM THE ONE who objects to the riding!

    Now, I have to qualify that -- a short test ride, to see if it fits/can fit, that everything works, that the person can handle it...no problem. But I have SEEN 'non-parents' allow their kids to just joyride the bikes through the store, over to groceries, and just LEAVE them when it's time to go. Excuse me, people, this isn't the boys & girls club, it's not a playground. One child, about 9, 2x the size of a bike he chose to joyride, slammed the bike down and broke a reflector because he was told to get off the bike. COLLEGE COEDS have tried to ride toddler bikes!

    We've had to throw away a couple hundred dollars worth of hula-hoops ($5 each) because kids come over, grab them, play with them, step on them and bend them, and happily skip away.

    Walmart is as big as it is largely because of how they handle "revenue out"; benefits suck, hours are never guaranteed, and each store suffers its own losses while passing along profits. Stores are 20% understaffed, and we have to accept the invective of the irate customer, even to the point of being cursed out.
    Which is why I was really calm with the guy. I asked him to actually explain the logic of his statement, to which he shrugged.

    I even told him I was going to be contacting various media with quotes and pictures of what he said.

    he seemed totally uninterested.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldfatbaldguy View Post
    Walmart is what it is. And we pretty much all know it.

    And yet, if they sell a kid a bike, and that kid rides that bike...

    or even an adult...isn't that better than riding the couch?
    Pretty much, it's how a sane person would look at it.
    I had a kmart bike when I was about 7-8, my olds weren't rich so kmart was my only option.
    It's how the passoin started, I practically lived on that bike. The funny thing is I never had a single issue with that bike, not one. So when people say it's unsafe or it will break, they are getting pretty desperate and will say the most ridiculous things for people not to shop there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldfatbaldguy View Post
    Walmart is what it is. And we pretty much all know it.

    And yet, if they sell a kid a bike, and that kid rides that bike...

    or even an adult...isn't that better than riding the couch?
    So if you know what Wal Mart is all about why put up with it?

    Better that that kid gets his cheap bike from K-Mart or Sears or the local garage sale than Wal Mart.

    There is nothing good about that company. If people can make an effort then maybe change can happen. Even if its just a few thousand mtn bikers from a web forum whom I assume are very much into the freedom of the trail and fresh air. Why not translate that joy of life into a much deserved boycott.

    What has Wal Mart ever done or put back into society? The owners have amassed a fortune of $40 billion and they can't even provide employee benefits - where is the sense of outrage?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kona0197 View Post
    It is funny that you brought that up. In the next town over Lowe's finally got approved after years in the planning stage and many arguments yet Walmart went in without that much trouble if any at all.
    It would be interesting to find out what your district also gave to Wal Mart, what kind of tax savings. A favourite ploy of Wal Mart is to promise local government a share in the profits and then it all depends on how tight the contract is, most local councils are made up of trusting benign local individuals who get blind sided by the Wal Mart corporate machine.

    There is often a time lag built into the share program, anywhere from 5 years on and plus. Wal Mart says we'll share but we need the first 5 years to ourselves to ensure the store can stand on its own or some other nonsense. There are many cases where Wal Mart will abandon that store and build another one just on the other side of the said councils boundary line. Its really outrageous behaviour, there is much more going on than outsourcing to China and treating their staff like shite.

    There are a few examples where towns have fought against Wal Mart moving in, tough battles but the townships prevailed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SV11 View Post
    Pretty much, it's how a sane person would look at it.
    I had a kmart bike when I was about 7-8, my olds weren't rich so kmart was my only option.
    It's how the passoin started, I practically lived on that bike. The funny thing is I never had a single issue with that bike, not one. So when people say it's unsafe or it will break, they are getting pretty desperate and will say the most ridiculous things for people not to shop there.
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    This thread has been derailed into a political battle, which is not cool. The thread originally was about Walmart bikes, not about the employers, not about the conditions, not about the who put what back into society. If you work at Walmart and aren't happy, you have a choice, find another job. There are worse companies out there, much worse. If you are going to continue with this nonsense, move the thread to the off camber section. I have no affiliation with Walmart whatsoever.

    BTW, kmart/Walmat does put back into the community, research before making assumptions.
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    LOL... the OP pic of the bikes is classic.

    I refuse to shop at wally world. So there.

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    I spent some time at a Bay Area Walmart doing a remodel. This Walmart had an outside contractor come in and assemble the bikes. He had a small box truck with tools and a helper. The helper would carry out the box to the truck. The guy would assemble it and the helper would take the finished bike inside.

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    The real problem is that we are relatively smart people, and stupid people outnumber smart people by a large factor. Wal-mart moves into these places and sells their stuff, and people would rather buy something better or have more of something than do the right thing. It's selfish when you think about it. Walmart undercuts the local guys on major big items, so you think to yourself "wow, I can buy more stuff with the money I save!". The thing that really blows my mind is all the midwestern towns that have one (or more) walmarts and nothing resembling a supermarket. In the walmarts, you can't even find the stuff that you'd find in a supermarket in the SW, E, W and other non-midwest regions. You take what walmart sells, or you live without it. It's kind of a shock going in when you've been living in other places. For my job I have to travel to the midwest (large city!) every once and a while, but it's the same thing, nothing but the super-walmarts for groceries, and we get stuff in our supermarkets in ALASKA that you don't see in walmart, even though we don't see quite as much in AK as others.

    This isn't meant to say that anyone from the midwest is "stupid", because those that know and are aware of what walmart does are obviously educated on this issue, but for whatever reason, the store is entrenched and the people that shop there will continue to do so. The few of us that choose not to shop there will not make any impact, as the stupid people that do greatly outnumber the ones that do not.
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    I used to deliver to all the Wal Marts from San Diego to L.A. which there are hundreds of them. And I would enter through the receiving area and pass the bike assembly area. OMG the **** I saw would blow you all away. I always wanted to whip out the cell and start snapping away but being on camera myself that may be frowned upon. I would be walking through at 5 00 a.m. and the personnel would be walking around like zombies. No matter what I would always say "good morning" and I would be lucky to get a half grunt back in return. And no matter how many times I would see the same people every week for months and years they were always in a fog and disgruntled.

    Back to the bike assembly area, this cramped little area always had one employee. And numerous half assembled bikes he would be working on at once. Different types and models and I have no doubt that these "exceptional" employees would mismatch parts from different bikes. A very scary situation for the consumer, you not only have cheap ass bikes but you also have cheap ass bikes assembled wrong. By disgruntled zombie like people at 5:00 in the morning.
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    flat tires would generally be enough of a hindrance to anyone attempting to ride the bikes. the rest of the loose parts are just negligent indifference.
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    Has anyone taken the time to photograph and document these issues and forward them to the corporate offices in Ark?
    I'm sure they would not be happy to know they have a store manager in cahoots with the local slip and fall liability lawyers. In fact they may quite gun shy about getting sued yet again for their shoddy and unethical business practices.

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    I am sorry to offend a few, but glad someone posted the couch-riding vids.

    Thought pretty much everyone knew by now what Wal-mart is. The largest convenience store.

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    wow dont know what to think,but i never have liked wal-mart

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    I only go to Wal Mart for paper towels and cleaning supplies... I DO walk over and check out the bikes for a laugh from time to time...
    My ONLY problem with the bikes being poorly assembled whether on purpose or by an unskilled worker is this: What about the single mom who buys her kid a Wal Mart bike because she can afford it? It falls apart and even if the kid doesn't get hurt, it has to go back and get exchanged for another one... OR the kid just never rides it again. Most women don't wrench on bikes.
    Every Christmas, the company I work for does a huge toy drive. Many people bring bikes. They asked the carpenter to build them and he did a crappy job. I thought to myself, kids in poor neighborhoods are going to get these and they're going to break or not work the first day. Then what?
    Now, for the past nine years, I bring my bike tools, cables, zip ties, hardware, lubes and whatever else into work and make about 20 bikes as perfect as I can.
    While I'm doing these Christmas bikes, I think about Wal Mart bikes and wish I could do all of them as well.
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    So what you're saying is, even though they are losing money on each bike they sell, they are making it up with volume?
    No, I am saying that the store I work at most likely loses money on the Walmart pricepoint bikes. I spend an equal amount of time building one of them (quite often more) as I do building a bike from a quality manufacterer.

    Walmart is not paying the person building bikes as much as I get paid. That person is spending considerably less time per a bike than I do. They are encouraged to build as many bikes as possible in an hour vs making sure the bike is assembled properly and is safe to ride.

    I put my name on every bike I build and can be held accountable for bikes that are built poorly. Every bike we sell gets a second (or third) look before going out the door. I don't beleive Walmart adheres to the same quality std.

    So, while my store is selling these bikes at a zero to negative profit margin, Walmart is not investing as much labor expense into the bikes and can therefore eek out a small profit on each individual bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frozenspokes View Post
    No, I am saying that the store I work at most likely loses money on the Walmart pricepoint bikes. I spend an equal amount of time building one of them (quite often more) as I do building a bike from a quality manufacterer.

    Walmart is not paying the person building bikes as much as I get paid. That person is spending considerably less time per a bike than I do. They are encouraged to build as many bikes as possible in an hour vs making sure the bike is assembled properly and is safe to ride.

    I put my name on every bike I build and can be held accountable for bikes that are built poorly. Every bike we sell gets a second (or third) look before going out the door. I don't beleive Walmart adheres to the same quality std.

    So, while my store is selling these bikes at a zero to negative profit margin, Walmart is not investing as much labor expense into the bikes and can therefore eek out a small profit on each individual bike.
    most large chain and corporate stores actually pay on a pay per piece. So the more bikes the outside contractor builds the more money he makes. And as far as the profit margin goes they don't make it on the bike but on the accessories and in walmarts case they make it on the other items the sell and just use the bikes and big items as a loss leader to get people in the store. They may make a little profit but not as much on all the little things they sell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    The real problem is that we are relatively smart people, and stupid people outnumber smart people by a large factor. Wal-mart moves into these places and sells their stuff, and people would rather buy something better or have more of something than do the right thing. It's selfish when you think about it. Walmart undercuts the local guys on major big items, so you think to yourself "wow, I can buy more stuff with the money I save!". The thing that really blows my mind is all the midwestern towns that have one (or more) walmarts and nothing resembling a supermarket. In the walmarts, you can't even find the stuff that you'd find in a supermarket in the SW, E, W and other non-midwest regions. You take what walmart sells, or you live without it. It's kind of a shock going in when you've been living in other places. For my job I have to travel to the midwest (large city!) every once and a while, but it's the same thing, nothing but the super-walmarts for groceries, and we get stuff in our supermarkets in ALASKA that you don't see in walmart, even though we don't see quite as much in AK as others.

    This isn't meant to say that anyone from the midwest is "stupid", because those that know and are aware of what walmart does are obviously educated on this issue, but for whatever reason, the store is entrenched and the people that shop there will continue to do so. The few of us that choose not to shop there will not make any impact, as the stupid people that do greatly outnumber the ones that do not.
    Yup, what walmart shoppers fail to realize is that by 'saving' money, they are actively participating in the DESTRUCTION of their local economy making themselves poorer in the long run.

    You people who shop at walmart are like


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    [QUOTE=NYrr496;9840956]I only go to Wal Mart for paper towels and cleaning supplies... I DO walk over and check out the bikes for a laugh from time to time...
    My ONLY problem with the bikes being poorly assembled whether on purpose or by an unskilled worker is this: What about the single mom who buys her kid a Wal Mart bike because she can afford it? It falls apart and even if the kid doesn't get hurt, it has to go back and get exchanged for another one... OR the kid just never rides it again. Most women don't wrench on bikes.
    Every Christmas, the company I work for does a huge toy drive. Many people bring bikes. They asked the carpenter to build them and he did a crappy job. I thought to myself, kids in poor neighborhoods are going to get these and they're going to break or not work the first day. Then what?
    Now, for the past nine years, I bring my bike tools, cables, zip ties, hardware, lubes and whatever else into work and make about 20 bikes as perfect as I can.
    While I'm doing these Christmas bikes, I think about Wal Mart bikes and wish I could do all of them


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    The real problem is that we are relatively smart people, and stupid people outnumber smart people by a large factor. Wal-mart moves into these places and sells their stuff, and people would rather buy something better or have more of something than do the right thing. It's selfish when you think about it. Walmart undercuts the local guys on major big items, so you think to yourself "wow, I can buy more stuff with the money I save!". The thing that really blows my mind is all the midwestern towns that have one (or more) walmarts and nothing resembling a supermarket. In the walmarts, you can't even find the stuff that you'd find in a supermarket in the SW, E, W and other non-midwest regions. You take what walmart sells, or you live without it. It's kind of a shock going in when you've been living in other places. For my job I have to travel to the midwest (large city!) every once and a while, but it's the same thing, nothing but the super-walmarts for groceries, and we get stuff in our supermarkets in ALASKA that you don't see in walmart, even though we don't see quite as much in AK as others.

    This isn't meant to say that anyone from the midwest is "stupid", because those that know and are aware of what walmart does are obviously educated on this issue, but for whatever reason, the store is entrenched and the people that shop there will continue to do so. The few of us that choose not to shop there will not make any impact, as the stupid people that do greatly outnumber the ones that do not.
    Jayem. I couldn't agree with you or Highdell more.
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