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    Today's Wal-Mart Hilarity, It's all on purpose!

    "We build our bikes with flat tires, loose handlebars and loose pedals, so no one rides them.... in the store" comanager Rob. Wal-Mart, 20th and wall, Ogden Utah.



    I was in Wal-Mart last night with a couple of other volunteers from our local community bike shop, (one needed to buy some slime.) and decided to check handlebar tightness. on all their bikes. and about 70% of them did this. tight enough to not be noticed right away, but loose enough to get someone killed.

    So I had a manager paged and showed him this...

    his reply was a grumpy "I know" followed by the above, italicized statement. I honestly didn't even know about the LOOSENED PEDALS. but I had to confirm it. then asked him how people that bought these bikes were to know that these bikes had been intentionally miss-built. he told me he didn't care. he just didn't want people riding them in the store.

    It never fails to surprise me. you'd think I'd be used to it by now.

    I told him how insanely, legally liable they are for this. again I was looked at like a martian.

    I then told him I'd be sending this photo to the local papers, as well as posting it in several places online.

    again he didn't care.

    People Of Wal-Mart.

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    I'm surprised he didn't banish you to the dollar store. Asst Mgr is an idiot for sure.

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    They are toys, remember?

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    Toys that, In this condition... could easily maim or kill a child.

    Then he tried to put my Soma back on the rack.

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    There is something seriously wrong with that guy. Don't let this one go.
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    It was just... It's crazy. really, the PEDALS?!

    I'm posting this wherever I can. and tomorrow, I will be emailing my local papers and contacting his store manager, and further up the food chain if need be.

    Wal-Mart bikes suck, that's fine. But this is dangerous and negligent.

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    its a shame. when you make fun of most people at walmart, youre making fun of people who are just trying to make ends meet. who doesnt want to shop at whole foods, if you can afford it.

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    Well, geeze, don'tcha know you aren't supposed to let the kids put the lead paint toys in their mouth?! Sheesh, it was all perfectly safe till you had to let irresponsible hooligans mess up a good business model!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bing! View Post
    its a shame. when you make fun of most people at walmart, youre making fun of people who are just trying to make ends meet. who doesnt want to shop at whole foods, if you can afford it.
    Misconception. You can live below the poverty line and not shop at Walmart. They don't have any sort of monopoly on low prices, and in fact, their grocery prices blow. It is all marketing, and hype. People will pay too much for **** in their store because they are *under the impression* that all their prices are super low and the store is priced for poor people.

    All wrong. No matter what you make, take your business elsewhere. There are plenty of cheaper grocery stores, and you don't need to waste money on cheap plastic **** from China while you buy food. Plenty of store outlets sell clothes just as cheap, better quality. And pretty much everything else can be ordered cheaper through online retailers with a minimal amount of price comparing.

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    I actually saw one of their singlespeeds with the crankarms mounted in parallel, like on a handcycle for the disabled. My thread with pictures of this masterpiece is here: I knew Wal-Mart bikes were poorly assembled, but..

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    Your comparing Wal Mart to a bike shop, which is kind of immature.
    There are many reasons why the bikes aren't put together completely at Walmart. Partly is they don't want kids riding the bikes in the store and running into customers, I'm sure it's happened many many times. Another is if they straightened out the handlebars then it probably would not fit on the display stand. Everyone knows and has known that WalMart bikes need assembly, it's always been that way and always will be. Again, you are comparing it to a bike shop, there is you're mistake.
    OP, you seriously have no leg to stand on, absolutely none.

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    What i wanna know is how do you sell a bike at $97 and still make a profit on it.
    I wonder how much it cost to make one in china or thailand and ship it over?
    On another note, anybody that buys a bike for under $100 bucks cant ask for too much, thats askin for trouble.
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    They mark up roughly around 200-300 %.
    Walmart/kmart probably buys them for around 30-40 buks from the wholesaler. It's the only way a conglomerate can survive.

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    I assembled bikes/powerwheels, etc at Toys r Us when I was in high school. We would purposely leave items loose on bikes, nothing too loose, but loose enough to move easily. It was done partly because a kid won't ride a bike around the store if he can't sit comfortably on it. We would also build them loose as a sales feature. Toy stores, big box retailers don't have the staff with a knowledge base that bike shops have. Believe it or not, a lot of people, new parents especially, do not know much about bikes. I could not even begin to tell you how many times I would see a parent put their kid on a bike that was the proper size, but because the seat was too low, or the bars were bent forward too much, they would walk away thinking the bike was not a good fit. A lot of people don't know that bikes, especially kids bikes are adjustable. I had to explain this many times to people. When the bike is built loose, a parent puts their kid on the bike, sees the parts move and can adjust the bike right there in the store accordingly, rather than just assume the bike is the wrong size and walk away. It is also not practical to leave tools around for bikes that are not quick-release equipped so people can adjust the bike to see if it fits. Not everyone can shop at bike shops or build their own bikes. Not everyone really cares about their bikes. Not everyone wants a kids bike that will last years. When I worked at Toys r us, I would sell many, many more bikes based on low price rather than quality. I don't fault people for shopping that way, it is simply a matter of personal preference. Not every kid needs a downhill bike, not every adult needs a commuter. When I was growing up, I had a schwinn predator, I would ride it a few block to the baseball field, jump off it while it was still speeding along, watch it crash in the dirt, or better yet, into a tree, then go play ball. Looking back I am glad my parents didn't spend hundreds of dollars on that bike. Walmart bikes have their place in the world, nothing wrong with them

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    In general and as a matter of principle all consumers should boycott Walmart, they are a blight on humanity.

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    13 years ago my brother nearly died because Canadian Tire had a Recalled CCM Heat out on the floor that we unfortunately purchased with obviously not knowing the recall. Next summer he's on his way home from work and ends up in the Emerg with a slice from between his eyes up to the top of his head and back down around his ear, PLUS a large gaping hole on his cheek. The recall was basically because the forks were falling right out of the frame, this had happened to my bro. His head hit the rim which sliced him open but also saved his life, was less of an impact landing on bendable steel rather than firm asphalt... and the hole in his cheek was from the nut locking on the tire... A large out-of-court settlement still doesn't heal scars, I hope Wally mart gets what's coming to them.

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    not surprising. walmart cant put a grill together right, you expect them to get bikes right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by shawnt2012 View Post
    I hope Wally mart gets what's coming to them.
    I hope not, because that means somebody else has been severly injured. But no matter what a person can or can't afford to buy, he or she deserves a safe product. Probably the sales persons and people who buy at Wallmart do not know the parts need tightening before riding.

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    Has anyone taken the time to photograph and document these issues and forward them to the corporate offices in Ark?

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    Walmart managers are known to be IMPOSSIBLE to deal with...unless you're asking for a refund. LOL.
    Had 2 eye doctor's leases with them. Let's just say they are impossible to talk to on a normal level. It takes threatening legal action or citing contract breaches to get anywhere with them. they'd rather go that route than be cordial. It's truly unbelievable.
    They will put Coke machines right next to the Dr's entrance and make it impossible to even see the entrance. i knew that and had it written in my contract they couldn't put the machines within a certain distance of the entrance. Yup, a few months into things the Coke machines were almost blocking the entrance. Took them 2 WEEKS to move them. This is just one MINOR problem I encountered with them. I walked out one day and never returned. Took them 1.5 years to get another Dr in there.
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    You folks need to seriously boycott Walmart, they are one of the major reasons why America's economy is so weak. The crap bikes is just the tip of the iceberg.

    Go to top documentary films.com and you can find a film about Walmart under the Economics file. Its all there and more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikemaya View Post
    Misconception. You can live below the poverty line and not shop at Walmart. They don't have any sort of monopoly on low prices, and in fact, their grocery prices blow. It is all marketing, and hype. People will pay too much for **** in their store because they are *under the impression* that all their prices are super low and the store is priced for poor people.

    All wrong. No matter what you make, take your business elsewhere. There are plenty of cheaper grocery stores, and you don't need to waste money on cheap plastic **** from China while you buy food. Plenty of store outlets sell clothes just as cheap, better quality. And pretty much everything else can be ordered cheaper through online retailers with a minimal amount of price comparing.
    yeah, i'm sure people go to walmart for the ambience.

    ive only been in there about 5 times in the last ten years. im glad i dont have to go. but i know school teachers who buy supplies there, out of pocket, and a handy man who buys food. thats what i know. maybe you know people who like the interior decor, i dont know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bing! View Post
    yeah, i'm sure people go to walmart for the ambience.

    ive only been in there about 5 times in the last ten years. im glad i dont have to go. but i know school teachers who buy supplies there, out of pocket, and a handy man who buys food. thats what i know. maybe you know people who like the interior decor, i dont know.
    I know school teachers who buy stuff, out of pocket, from everywhere BUT walmart. I also know plenty of poor people who buy food from other grocery stores. I am one of them. I save a ton of money going to Winco instead of wally world. I save a ton of headache and spend the same amount going to a regular Stater Brothers. Because regular grocery stores have much deeper markdowns and better sales as well, many times I end up saving the most money at a regular grocery store if I find lots of good deals. I will give you some insight about shopping when poor; the shopping list is only a guideline or suggestion. You actually only buy what is on sale at a GOOD price, because you are trying to get the most food for your tight budget. There are compromises when you want to buy better stuff than $50 worth of ramen noodles, so you shop sales to get the most decent food you can. If you barrel through a store without looking at prices, there will be a few things in your cart you are paying a ridiculous amount for, and most of the rest you can find cheaper somewhere else or if you wait for a sale. They get people like me when I need something specific for a recipe, and have no choice if I don't want to run around town trying to save a few bucks. Walmart does the EXACT same thing, the biggest difference is they claim their prices are *always* low, so their sales are never very good. If you shop sales, you end up with a cart full of cheap junk food or prepackaged boxed **** from Walmart for the same price as a cart full of fresh butcher meat, gorgeous veggies, and other raw ingredients from a real store. It has happened to me too many times to count. And we are WONDERING why obesity is out of control?!

    You see, Walmart will under price a few things that THEY take very little loss from (you know, chips and soda, which are handled by vendors who take the hit...) and give you ****ty prices on everything else. Ever buy meat there? Good, don't. It all comes in frozen, processed off site (because they eliminated all butchers when they unionized a few years ago. True story!), and the prices are worse than stuff fresh from the butcher at a regular grocery store. It also always looks like ****... because, you know, it came in FROZEN. The 'sales' on it are also the worst sales I have ever seen on meat. They are more of an advertisement than a markdown.

    I have also talked to many, many people who have worked for companies that supplied walmart. They HATED working with them. Walmart uses nasty tactics with small companies, using a bait and switch. They will quote a project for one price, and once the small company begins production, walmart will lower their offer. They know the small company is screwed and have to accept it because they can't float the extra product if the deal goes through.

    When it comes to returns, walmart accepts ANYTHING. Step 1: Buy a vacuum from walmart, any brand you want, as long as it is roughly the same size as your old one. Step 2: stuff your grimy old one in the box from the new one you just brought home. Step 3: return box with your old vacuum to walmart. Throw a fit if the customer service person is one of the few who gives a **** and tells you they can't accept it. Get a manager involved, they will give you the refund. Step 4: old vacuum is sent back to company who makes vacuums, because THEY are the ones who have to pay for it. They cannot refuse anything from walmart, or they risk their contract and their very business itself.

    How the hell could you own a business that is regularly screwed by walmart's policies and not hate them? How could you work for someone who has to deal with that ******** and not hate them? It is easy to stand on the side and give a pass to wally world just because YOU aren't negatively affected by what they do. But walk a mile, and you will hate them too.

    Speaking of ambiance, that is why many people avoid the place. Kids running around wild? Screaming babies? Staff that is impossible to find, and when you do, they usually don't care? The huge size that makes it so you have to circle the store multiple times unless you are a regular who has the place memorized? The messes EVERYWHERE? These are all things tied into store policies. They don't kick out parents and their rowdy children, they understaff and demoralize their workers, and they make the place huge and spread departments all over in strategic ways so you are forced to go through the whole store. They do that so you are more likely to impulse buy something you didn't go there for.

    You can be poor and still have standards. I find it insulting to say that poor people HAVE to put up with that walmart trash to survive. It just isn't true.

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    I'll continue my story started above.
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    They had a good Optical Dept manager(very rare). I got along with him great. After 3 months they moved him to another location and told me they would get a new one. 3 months later, no manager. No way I could tell their employees what to do. I talked to the District Optical manager and made this deal with him: Drop my rent for the total time there wasn't an optical manager, including after the time they get one. 9 total months later, an optical manager and she was barely adequate BUT she took my rent from me like the deal I worked out with the DM. DM comes in and hands me a letter from Walmart Corporate. Yup.....for back rent on the old rent scale. I reminded him of our deal and in his own words "We never had that discussion". I left that day and never returned. Gave them a bill for 1 dollar more than the "back rent" for painting and office improvements.
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    Never, ever, EVER make a handshake deal with a manager from wally world, even for the smallest things. They WILL screw you. I am still too sore and bent about it to share my own story, because all I ever get is 'you should have gotten it on paper'! I actually TRUST people and their word... stupid me!

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    Let's not even start talking about their pharmacy...Saturday went to refill a prescription and here it is Wednesday and they haven't even called the doctor to authorize it yet...called a local pharmacy and wham it's ready to roll.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SV11 View Post
    They mark up roughly around 200-300 %.
    Walmart/kmart probably buys them for around 30-40 buks from the wholesaler. It's the only way a conglomerate can survive.

    The retail markup on those bikes is about $10.00. I work part time at a sporting goods retailer that sells bikes (Trek & Fuji). We also carry Mongoose, & Schwinn to compete with the box stores. Sad thing is, that after they pay me to PROPERLY assemble one of those things, they net even less than that. I figure that after everything is added up, we probably actually LOSE money on every one of those bikes we sell.

    Of course WalMart has much more clout than my store, so they probably get the same bike for a few bukcs less than we do. They also have Timmy in the back room assembling them with an adjustable wrench & a pair of plyers as fast as he can. Timmy is most likely making little more than minimum wage while performing this "service". The profit margin is razor thin even at that.

    What you have to remember is that WalMart probably sells 100 bikes in my community to every on 1 bike that the LBS sells. Crap profit margin on 100 crap bikes is close to decent profit margin on one QUALITY bike.
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    You guys may not have to boycott Walmart. I hear the employes are planning a walkout on Black Friday.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frozenspokes View Post
    What you have to remember is that WalMart probably sells 100 bikes in my community to every on 1 bike that the LBS sells. Crap profit margin on 100 crap bikes is close to decent profit margin on one QUALITY bike.
    So what you're saying is, even though they are losing money on each bike they sell, they are making it up with volume?
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    FYI, They don't do that in my local store. They are assembled fully.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikemaya View Post
    I am still too sore and bent about it to share my own story,
    No sh!t? From reading this thread, plenty of your "own story" comes through pretty clear.

    Once again, I love how every Wally-Bike thread devolves into W-Mart bashing. Not a big fan myself but seriously, do people really spend this much time developing, kindling, fostering their hate toward anything and the story that goes with it? Life's too short.
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    I love Wal-Mart. Not gonna buy my mountain bike there, nor my next guitar, but I buy lots of things there. Just sayin. It's not like they are telling me their stuff is the highest quality available. It's a discount store. I shouldn't expect to get high quality items at a discount store. I go there for the discount.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Malibu412 View Post
    So what you're saying is, even though they are losing money on each bike they sell, they are making it up with volume?
    actually yes. As far as the volume thing goes, the more bikes they sell, the more he has to assemble in a day. Let's say he gets $100 a day. If he assembles 6 bikes a day, thier cost per bike is $16.66 Much less that if he only assembled 2 bikes per day, $50 each. The overhead cost of paying the assembler is something that happens whether or not they sell the bike. They paid the guy for the time he was present at the store, whether or not the bike sold. By not selling the bike they lost his full salary. By selling at a slight loss, they got some of their overhead back, maybe not all of it. The more bikes they sell, the more they get back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Malibu412 View Post
    No sh!t? From reading this thread, plenty of your "own story" comes through pretty clear.

    Once again, I love how every Wally-Bike thread devolves into W-Mart bashing. Not a big fan myself but seriously, do people really spend this much time developing, kindling, fostering their hate toward anything and the story that goes with it? Life's too short.

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    XD, I love the maroon that didn't notice that I AM THE ONE that turned those handlebars like that. then totally drank the Kool-Aid.

    And here's the part where I let you know I WAS a Bike builder for Wal-Mart for two years.

    I know the profit margins. I especially know how bad some of the builders are. once my manager realized he had an ACTUAL bike mechanic building bikes... I was tasked with checking the other builders work. daily.

    I was also the only one NOT expected to "Build" 20 bikes a day.

    I might have had to build their crap, but I didn't build it crappy.

    I loved the look on their faces when I ordered grease or a spoke tension gauge.

    particularly the spoke tension gauge. Or a proper chain breaker.

    Or basically any tool that could not also build a BBQ grill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frozenspokes View Post
    The retail markup on those bikes is about $10.00. I work part time at a sporting goods retailer that sells bikes (Trek & Fuji). We also carry Mongoose, & Schwinn to compete with the box stores. Sad thing is, that after they pay me to PROPERLY assemble one of those things, they net even less than that. I figure that after everything is added up, we probably actually LOSE money on every one of those bikes we sell.

    Of course WalMart has much more clout than my store, so they probably get the same bike for a few bukcs less than we do. They also have Timmy in the back room assembling them with an adjustable wrench & a pair of plyers as fast as he can. Timmy is most likely making little more than minimum wage while performing this "service". The profit margin is razor thin even at that.

    What you have to remember is that WalMart probably sells 100 bikes in my community to every on 1 bike that the LBS sells. Crap profit margin on 100 crap bikes is close to decent profit margin on one QUALITY bike.
    No, you are wrong. $10 profit on each bike, are you out of your mind. How the hell is a conglomerate to survive if they are only making 10 buks profit. I know for a fact that sport stores have much less profit, but thats not the case with walmart. I see sports stores closing left right and centre, not kmart/walmart though. Another reason sports stores profit margins are low is becasue they assemble it, so profit is just giong down and down to the point your only getting $10 on each bike, walmart is much smarter otherwise they would of closed their doors 20-30 yrs agol At a sports store, you have 2,3 or 4 employers, with walkmar/kmart you have hundreds.

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    When you buy 20,000 of the same bike. you'd be amazed at the deal you can get.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agwan View Post
    When you buy 20,000 of the same bike. you'd be amazed at the deal you can get.
    yes and when you have a slave camp army of third world workers on fifty cents a day welding these things together and a local government who bend over backwards and give out tax incentives for them to build their stores and finally a legion of sales staff on minimum wage with zero benefits then it gets really easy to maintain margins.

    what benefit do you think Walmart adds to society? People say they create jobs, crap, they wreck every small town hardware and grocery store around. Nothing in their stores come from local or even American suppliers.

    They are as un-american as they come. You folks should seriously boycott their stores as they are a major contributor to the USA's economic decline.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stepitup_onenotch View Post
    yes and when you have a slave camp army of third world workers on fifty cents a day welding these things together
    Yeah, at a factory just down the road from the factory where some of our Treks, Speshys, Giants, etc are being welded together. Hell, maybe in the same factory!

    I guess onenotch and everyone else here b!tching about W-Mart buys only handmade US frames? Keep up the self-righteous double standard, my friends.
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    Our local Walmart has bike building contests. They set out a ton of bike boxes, ready, set, go! First one done gets to keep the bike. All the rest get put on the rack for sale. That's how you get "sh!t" done.
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    Blatantly loose handlebars and/or stem I can see but pedals? That just sounds like they don't have the correct tools.

    I'm also assuming that they don't tighten up the stem/bars when selling it? When you buy a bike does the customer literally just roll it to the cash register then walk out? I have no idea but I'd hope somebody would be there in between that happening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malibu412 View Post
    Yeah, at a factory just down the road from the factory where some of our Treks, Speshys, Giants, etc are being welded together. Hell, maybe in the same factory!

    I guess onenotch and everyone else here b!tching about W-Mart buys only handmade US frames? Keep up the self-righteous double standard, my friends.
    It is impossible to go through life without buying something that hasn't been manufactured off-shore. Anyone wearing a pair of running shoes for example. It is rare to come across any article of clothing that has been made at "home". No denying that.

    Wal-Mart is in a league of their own however and I think that needs to be recognized. US society would be a much better place today without Wal-Mart. There are too many strikes against them and people should ***** about them, they deserve it all and more.

    For the record my old Norco is designed and made in Canada, my new SJ carbon comp 29 FSR is designed in USA, not sure where they made the frame and I can't see it written anywhere on the bike.

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    @ ^^^^ So, I guess a little bit of exploitation is okay, just not too much.

    Your Speshy carbon is laid up in China, at $.50/day. Feel confident with it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Malibu412 View Post
    @ ^^^^ So, I guess a little bit of exploitation is okay, just not too much.

    Your Speshy carbon is laid up in China, at $.50/day. Feel confident with it?
    Made in Taiwan or China? Not that is really matters but if you know for sure I would like to know.

    Specialized and Trek and lots of other major manufacturers get frames and parts made off shore. They are all chasing cheap labour, no denying that and impossible to avoid in almost any product these days.

    Wal-Mart is very different however, not only do they exploit abroad but they exploit at home as well. Wal-Mart does not give back to society, they don't even give back to their own workers. I find it completely pathetic that a single family worth approx $40 billion cannot provide their workers with simple health benefits. Why would anyone want to defend a company like that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stepitup_onenotch View Post
    Made in Taiwan or China?
    Most current CF frames are coming from China.

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    Why would anyone want to defend a company like that?
    How is what I said defending this company in any way? I think of it more like calling people on their BS. If you're going to vilify Walmart, shouldn't the same finger point at any company that outsources labor to lower priced markets and wrangles cheaper supply lines with various heavy-handed methods? Shouldn't the same finger point at you because, by your own admission, you buy the crap? No, I don't defend Walmart. I just choose to not shred them until I actually know facts and decide to do something actually real and consistent about the problems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Malibu412 View Post
    Most current CF frames are coming from China.



    How is what I said defending this company in any way? I think of it more like calling people on their BS. If you're going to vilify Walmart, shouldn't the same finger point at any company that outsources labor to lower priced markets and wrangles cheaper supply lines with various heavy-handed methods? Shouldn't the same finger point at you because, by your own admission, you buy the crap? No, I don't defend Walmart. I just choose to not shred them until I actually know facts and decide to do something actually real and consistent about the problems.
    There is a film you can find via Google called: Wal Mart the High Cost of Low Prices. That would be a good place to start. It is not the only point of reference however and I can point to more material. There are also a few people on this thread with their own personal stories about Wal Mart.

    And I am doing something about the problem by expressing concerns in this open forum where hopefully a few thousand people are reading and maybe some will check out the film. Advocating a boycott on Wal Mart is not a double standard for having purchased a bike made in China or my Nikes made in the Philippines or my T-shirt from Bangladesh. At least the last Park tool I bought is made in the USA!

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    Being critical of WalMart is low hanging fruit, folks. Easy picking.

    They aren't a high-end cycling boutique, and should not be criticized as such. Loose, poor building of cheap hi-ten steel bicycles from WalMart is a surprise? Awkward employees with lack of passion for their job and iffy intelligence levels at WalMart worth writing about?

    We should be critical of popular bike manufacturers, stocking bikes with cheap, springy forks and pot metal drivetrains priced at the $400-600 price range. I know the mark-up is due to the LBS needing to make profit on such a bike, but some of the POS factory "entry level" bikes I see at the LBS make me raise an eyebrow. I view these cheap CrapRocks as "throw aways", which is sad.

    WalMart? This is a department store and I'm not surprised by the quality. I mean, you can buy your groceries and a bike in the same store - why are we being highly critical of their bikes? It's so obvious that they are junk, and the prices say so.

    I am disappointed at some of the $400-$600 entry level bikes offered by the large manufacturers, though, and appalled at the junk they outfit these frames with. This is who we should be critical of, not the low hanging fruit of the Evil Empire called WalMart.

    ...and OOH! This is going to turn into a Made in China bashing thread soon. Can't wait to see how you all argue about that, typing on your computers/smartphones that were MADE IN CHINA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LarryWallwart View Post
    actually yes. As far as the volume thing goes, the more bikes they sell, the more he has to assemble in a day. Let's say he gets $100 a day. If he assembles 6 bikes a day, thier cost per bike is $16.66 Much less that if he only assembled 2 bikes per day, $50 each. The overhead cost of paying the assembler is something that happens whether or not they sell the bike. They paid the guy for the time he was present at the store, whether or not the bike sold. By not selling the bike they lost his full salary. By selling at a slight loss, they got some of their overhead back, maybe not all of it. The more bikes they sell, the more they get back.
    You're assuming assembling bikes is all he does, even on a slow bike day. That's not how it works. If he's not assembling bikes he'll be restocking Cheeze Wiz & panties, or cleaning toilets & retrieving shopping carts. Nobody on the payroll sits still very long.
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