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    Spoke protectors?

    I've seen this carbon fiber one, but it's a bit fancy for me. I've seen at least one person on here with a spoke protector.


    So, are there any modern ones out that that aren't made of flimsy easily broken plastic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aBicycle View Post
    I've seen this carbon fiber one, but it's a bit fancy for me. I've seen at least one person on here with a spoke protector.


    So, are there any modern ones out that that aren't made of flimsy easily broken plastic?
    Pardon me for asking but WTF is a spoke protector? and why would you need one?
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    Dude, I'm in Illinois. The only place anyone would come from that would say this area is hilly is Kansas.

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    I just use playing cards and clothes pins. Works great!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE, View Post
    Pardon me for asking but WTF is a spoke protector? and why would you need one?
    They're legit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE, View Post
    Pardon me for asking but WTF is a spoke protector? and why would you need one?
    I think he's talking about the "dork disc" that goes between the cassette and the spokes.

    they aren't really all that important. they mostly protect you from poorly adjusted drivetrains, which is easily solved. they can save your spokes in the event crash damage sends your chain off of the top cog, but that doesn't always matter. on my mtb this summer, I tossed the chain a couple times because the derailleur was wearing out. the chain got wedged into the hollowed space behind the cassette carrier (SRAM 990). honestly, my chain was in far more danger than my spokes, and I had to replace a couple bent links.

    I haven't used a dork disc on my bike since I started riding and it fell apart on its own from weathering.

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    ^^ Oops, not quick enough. ^^

    I think he means a dork disk.

    OP, is that what you're talking about? The plastic disk between your cassette and the spokes?
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    It seems that you can buy aftermarket ones. I've never heard of anyone doing so.

    Bike24 - Lightweight Spoke Guard Disc - black/carbon
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trail Ninja View Post
    It seems that you can buy aftermarket ones. I've never heard of anyone doing so.

    Bike24 - Lightweight Spoke Guard Disc - black/carbon
    Oh that? LOL.

    Adjust the RD correctly and you'll never need it. Besides I'm lighter without it.

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    If you really think you need a spoke protector, then what you really need is a new mechanic.

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    Oh sorry OP apparently I haven't been doing my bike shopping at Wal Mart. No you don't need one and do yourself a favor and don't install one. As others have said a properly adjusted drive train and you'll never have a problem.
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    Dude, I'm in Illinois. The only place anyone would come from that would say this area is hilly is Kansas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trail Ninja View Post
    It seems that you can buy aftermarket ones. I've never heard of anyone doing so.

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    They get used on rental bikes, just because they get abused more.

    I make it a point to remove them from any bike I build up. No point in propagating the idea that they're necessary.

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    Ditch the dork disk, you really don't need it.

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    didn't know that part was kinda useless... and here i was worried it was falling apart

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    There are some riders that need them. After working in a shop for 18 years it is amazing how some people keep riding when the chain is between the cassette and spokes and do not stop until all of the spokes are cut in half. Usually a bent hanger will cause it.

    IMO I would never use one.

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    i think the technical term for what you are looking for is limit screws.

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    **** happens. I'd rather have a dork disc and not need it than have a need for it and not have it.


    So, let's get this back on track to who makes them instead of whether or not they're worth the trouble.

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    limit screws, new mechanic....have y'all never bent a hanger?

    My wheel's been saved a few times by my pie plate / dork disc. On a road bike it might be overkill. on a mtb, its not a bad idea at all.

    if you run one:
    the downside-fashionistas are unimpressed, 5gram weight cost?
    the upside - save a bunch of money on rebuilding a wheel that rare occasion when your derailleur and hanger send the chain into your spokes

    if you don't run one:
    the upside: save 5g, nobody notices that you're fitting in
    the downside: on your perfectly adjusted bike a stick bends your hanger and you chain goes behind your cassette, you stop quickly, but still some spokes are marred. either replace them as they break or rebuild the wheel and replace them before they break.

    Unless you have the argument that they don't really protect your spokes ( and I think even the cheapo ones on new bikes really do protect your spokes) you're making a trade-off that suggests an awful lot of vanity runs through your veins.

    of course this only applies to multi-speed cassette-type setups. rohlhoff's and single speeders don't need 'em.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aBicycle View Post
    **** happens. I'd rather have a dork disc and not need it than have a need for it and not have it.


    So, let's get this back on track to who makes them instead of whether or not they're worth the trouble.
    That would be post #7.

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    Post number 7 just listed the fancy one I didn't want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aBicycle View Post
    Post number 7 just listed the fancy one I didn't want.
    Most bike shops would be happy to give you a few for free that they took off various bikes or that are lingering on destroyed wheels.
    They do age, probably ozone or some other oxidizer.

    I am usually happy with the cheapo ones, but the tabs can break and lead them to move around making a racket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aBicycle View Post
    Post number 7 just listed the fancy one I didn't want.
    And post #18 contains a link to a Google search I did for you. What more can we do? Do you need someone to tell you which specific one to buy?

    Most people who use them have said they are happy with the cheap plastic ones and just replace them when they wear out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aBicycle View Post
    I've seen this carbon fiber one, but it's a bit fancy for me. I've seen at least one person on here with a spoke protector.


    So, are there any modern ones out that that aren't made of flimsy easily broken plastic?
    No basically they are all pretty cheap and fall apart.

    I have a Mavic Xmax SLR wheel about $500 for the rear wheel....the spoke protector is very small and made of plastic.....I dropped a chain on it and it broke.....I did it again and then it fell off.

    Once the spoke protector breaks you should have enough feel by then so you don't keep cranking and destroy the spokes or hub,

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    Quote Originally Posted by PretendGentleman View Post
    Most bike shops would be happy to give you a few for free that they took off various bikes or that are lingering on destroyed wheels.
    They do age, probably ozone or some other oxidizer.

    I am usually happy with the cheapo ones, but the tabs can break and lead them to move around making a racket.
    plastic and UV light don't mix. that causes the discoloration. the increased brittleness is more associated with offgassing of the plasticizers that make the plastic more pliable. this is why I don't use them. more of a pain than they're worth.

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    Buy a singlespeed.

    That gives me an idea. I think I'll get one and put it on my SS. How much of a dork would that make me?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aBicycle View Post
    Post number 7 just listed the fancy one I didn't want.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NateHawk View Post
    plastic and UV light don't mix. that causes the discoloration. the increased brittleness is more associated with offgassing of the plasticizers that make the plastic more pliable. this is why I don't use them. more of a pain than they're worth.
    303 Aerospace Protectant. Think sunscreen for your gear.

    I still agree with you re: plastics, generally, but newer polymers and composites do have their advantages (lighter weight vs metal, ease of molding complex shapes, lower costs).

    Spoke protectors usually do not fall into that category, though.

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    I coat my Royalex canoe (vinyl) with 303. I will not spray my dork disc with 303. lol.

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    Who wouldA thunk! We could make it to a second page talking about the need of a "Dork Disk".
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    Dude, I'm in Illinois. The only place anyone would come from that would say this area is hilly is Kansas.

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    My bad, DJ, shoulda let it die

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    Quote Originally Posted by wschruba View Post
    My bad, DJ, shoulda let it die
    No biggie I was just joking, and besides there are plenty besides you keeping it alive. I've played a roll as well.
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    Dude, I'm in Illinois. The only place anyone would come from that would say this area is hilly is Kansas.

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    Should I feel more like a newb then ever because I still have mine on?

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    Tough crowd.

    I also thought dork discs were the mark of a goober, until i unknowingly bent my hanger in a crash (bent it almost exactly one gear inboard), started up again, shifted all the way down, and dropped the chain into the spokes at full power.

    ( . . . queue James Earl Jones voice) My wheel was a walking dead at that point, like taking a lethal dose of radiation . . . It was only a matter of time. A month later that wheel was dead. I would have liked a dork disk that day. (end dramatic voice tone)

    But yeah, i don't actually run one, I'll just inspect for any 'new' upper limit next time i wreck

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    Quote Originally Posted by NateHawk View Post
    plastic and UV light don't mix. that causes the discoloration. the increased brittleness is more associated with offgassing of the plasticizers that make the plastic more pliable. this is why I don't use them. more of a pain than they're worth.
    You know what's surprising to me? Remember those extremely oxidized/clouded automotive brake lights etc? They are now a thing of the past (just look at the cars on the road right now).

    They've figured out how to make UV-resistant plastic and still we get dork disks made of 50 year old crap plastic technology.

    Go figure...

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    Quote Originally Posted by shibiwan View Post
    You know what's surprising to me? Remember those extremely oxidized/clouded automotive brake lights etc? They are now a thing of the past (just look at the cars on the road right now).

    They've figured out how to make UV-resistant plastic and still we get dork disks made of 50 year old crap plastic technology.

    Go figure...

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    I'd take that idea and fly with it, might make ya some money!

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    Quote Originally Posted by shawnt2012 View Post
    I'd take that idea and fly with it, might make ya some money!
    LOL... i could make some blinging billet ones haha

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    Well it does serve a purpose
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    Quote Originally Posted by shibiwan View Post
    You know what's surprising to me? Remember those extremely oxidized/clouded automotive brake lights etc? They are now a thing of the past (just look at the cars on the road right now).

    They've figured out how to make UV-resistant plastic and still we get dork disks made of 50 year old crap plastic technology.

    Go figure...

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    The plastic on the lights may last longer but it still gets uv damage. Have to get my headlight lenses cleaned up before a big road trip next week

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    Toothpaste and a polishing cloth.

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    One of my friends calls them pie plates, he had never heard of dork disk before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE, View Post
    Who wouldA thunk! We could make it to a second page talking about the need of a "Dork Disk".
    My thoughts exactly
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    Know of anyone that could make high quality aluminum or steel ones?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aBicycle View Post
    Know of anyone that could make high quality aluminum or steel ones?
    See post #35 above. shibiwan can make them.
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    Apparently none of you read your bicycle direction manual upon purchase.
    1] Remove Dork Disc located on rear center of rim.
    2] Locate pet dog.
    3] Take Dork Disc and pet dog outside.
    4] Throw Dork Disc in a Frisbee fashion.
    5] Retrieve Dork Disc from pet dogs mouth and repeat.

    Caution: Take note this should be done "before " bike is shown in public.
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    Dude, I'm in Illinois. The only place anyone would come from that would say this area is hilly is Kansas.

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    One of those disposable pie plates would work in a pinch! And you get to eat the pie first.

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    A styrofoam plate would probably work as well. If you cut holes in the right places, not only would you cut down on the weight, but you could get it to play a tune in the wind.
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    At that rate, why not go get a frisbee at the dollar store, make a hole in it and tada!

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    Because a frisbee won't turn that gross yellow color and crack, duh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wschruba View Post
    Because a frisbee won't turn that gross yellow color and crack, duh.
    ohhhh got it. I can be such a derp.

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    The ones that Shimano puts on their wheels are actually pretty nice. They are just a narrow ring so they have to be sized to the cassette. But they fit to the spokes tightly (also have to match your spoke count) and run concentric with the wheel. They're beefy enough not to be broken by the chain and are good quality plastic. I'm pretty sure a Shimano dealer could order them. But that would be dorky as ****.

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    Another thing that is really good to have is a windshiled. It will protect you from rocks, bugs and even rain. Its better to have it and not need it, then to need it and not have it right?



    And while we are at it, why not a chainguard also. It will keep stuff from getting jammed in your chain. Definitely better to have it and not need it, then to need it and not have it.



    And while we are at it, why not protect all your spokes? Sticks and stuff can get in your spokes are break them, so why not some sweet Thundercat wheel covers. Definitely better to have it and not need it, then to need it and not have it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post
    Oh sorry OP apparently I haven't been doing my bike shopping at Wal Mart. No you don't need one and do yourself a favor and don't install one. As others have said a properly adjusted drive train and you'll never have a problem.

    I didn't know they sold $10,000 bikes at wal-mart. Specialized Bicycle Components

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    Re: Spoke protectors?

    I too thought I was done with these dorky things but I am actually on the fence as far as spoke protectors now after two incidents:

    First I had a small washout and didn't realize that I had bent my derailleur hanger. I got back on the bike and started a climb immediately after, shifted into low and dived my chain into my spokes. All the drive side spokes were marred and they started breaking over the next 200 miles and the wheel had to be rebuilt.

    On another occasion I broke a chain, fixed it and took it out a link, and things were spinning fine in low gear with adequate chain length. It was close but it was OK in my estimation, even accounting for chain growth under rear suspension compression. But, I was wrong and a little later in the ride in low gear under high power and medium compression the chain had no where to go and dived into the spokes. This wheel too eventually needed to be rebuilt, before it's time.

    In both cases you could argue that it was human error and that I could have prevented both, but the point is that even if you properly adjust your bike and put many miles on it without incident, you will eventually encounter these outlier situations and sh1t happens. Since the penalty of chain dive is so costly I'm contemplating going back to those nerdy things on my bikes.

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