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    So I soaked my entire bike in Finishline Super Bike Wash.

    Yes, even the bearings. Wether it's fact or fiction that spraying Finish Line Super Bike Wash in your bearings or hubs is totally bad news, I think a large percentage of it is just all talk. So, I took my spare hardtail Trek 3900 and washed the entire bike in the stuff. Frame, drivetrain, BEARINGS, hubs... You name it, it got soaked. Then I rinsed it all off with water...

    The bicycle looks great! Super clean and it smells good too.

    Although there were no immediate effects on any parts of the bike, I'm thinking if anything is going to happen then it will happen within a couple or a few days from now.

    Personally, I think the whole "Don't spray your bearings with Bike Wash!!!!!!!!!!!" thing is a myth. Just a little test I was doing just so I'd know from actual experience.

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    Wait? isnt bike wash made for bikes?

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    Yes, but a ton of people are afraid to use it anywhere on the bicycle but the frame because it is said that it can act as a degreaser and strip the lube from bearings and such. I think that's false.

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    well I guess you'll find out soon enough! :>

    I think the concern comes with using a high pressure wash and injecting water into the bearings.

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    If you actually soaked the bearings the lube will be compromised.. but if you just covered the outside of the whole bike what could be hurt? you'll prolly need to lube the deraileur pivots and such and things like that but you should be fine.
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    well the instructions "safe for all bike surfaces" I wouldnt actually soak any bike parts in it, but I use it all the time . seems to remove aftermarket stickers though

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    I've had success using a mixture of Simple Green and water in clean up after a mud-soaking ride, but then again I typically use caution not to soak the bearings/ headset etc.
    To clean those areas it's usually back to damp rag or an old toothbrush.

    Do share the end results of your experiment though.
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    I had completely drenched the entire bottom bracket, the derailure, the brakes, the hubs. Like I said, you name it, It got the "Super Bike Wash". No where on the bottle does it warn the customer of the "complications" spraying your bearings can cause, so I want to prove, to myself mostly, that it is completely safe to do what I did about 8 hours ago.

    SlimTwisted, I'll be sure to post any results tomorrow and for a couple of more days after that.

    *edit*

    And I'll continue to clean my entire bicycle with this stuff untill something does go wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bavarian3900

    *edit*

    And I'll continue to clean my entire bicycle with this stuff untill something does go wrong.
    I like your style.

    I've used the stuff on my hardtail for a while in much the same way you are. No problems, yet. And it does indeed smell good, which is a bonus.

    [edit] I should read closer - I *don't* soak my BB or any part with bearings in this stuff. I do use it on nearly everything else.
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    yep...

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    I like to repack all of my bearings with mud. I'll continue doing it until something goes wrong.

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    I've washed my bike the same way for 2 years.. Bucket of hot water and a couple paint brushes. Usually the whole bikes clean in one bucket of water. If it's really bad a second quick rinse. Seems to me like the cheapest/safest way to clean a bike.
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    You can save yourself the potential risk of damaging your bearings and/or hubs by getting a bunch of bearings, coating them in whichever grease you use in your hubs then dropping them into a jar with some of your chosen cleaner. Stir the bearings around in the jar to (very poorly) simulate the action of a rotating hub and you'll see exactly how the cleaner will affect the grease.
    This is the effect that Finish Line Super Bike Wash had on the Pedro's Syn (very thick, high quality grease) I coated these bearings in;

    grease vs cleaner.jpg

    The bottom left picture shows the bearings as I poured them from the jar. I did not wipe them at all, but note how clean they are after only 20 or 30 seconds of stirring. This picture shows what it's all like when the cleaner has had a bit longer to work on the grease, note the further breakdown of the grease;

    grease vs cleaner2.jpg

    It's not a particularly good experiment, although it has the benefit of not being as foolish as trying it out on your actual bike, and it's highly unlikely that you will ever get that much neat cleaner/degreaser into your bearings, at least not in a single washdown. Unless, of course, you're trying to prove a point.

    "I'll be sure to post any results tomorrow and for a couple of more days after that."

    I could be wrong, but I doubt you'll be able to see any effects, unless you're doing a few hundred miles. I would be interested to know how everything holds up with if you continue with your method for the next six months or so. It may or may not take a while to wash away the grease that contributes to the effectiveness of the component's seals, depending on the quality of the components, but once the seals have been compromsed the deterioration of the internal grease will accelerate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveUK

    "I'll be sure to post any results tomorrow and for a couple of more days after that."

    I could be wrong, but I doubt you'll be able to see any effects, unless you're doing a few hundred miles. I would be interested to know how everything holds up with if you continue with your method for the next six months or so.
    I was thinking the same thing exactly. I'd bet you could wash 80% of the lube out of your bearings and it would still take considerable time to see an actual failure. Unless you're actually making a point out of trying to blow the stuff past your dust seals and flush out the bearings, I think 6 mos would be the very soonest you'll see effects.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveUK
    You can save yourself the potential risk of damaging your bearings and/or hubs by getting a bunch of bearings, coating them in whichever grease you use in your hubs then dropping them into a jar with some of your chosen cleaner. Stir the bearings around in the jar to (very poorly) simulate the action of a rotating hub and you'll see exactly how the cleaner will affect the grease.
    This is the effect that Finish Line Super Bike Wash had on the Pedro's Syn (very thick, high quality grease) I coated these bearings in;

    grease vs cleaner.jpg

    The bottom left picture shows the bearings as I poured them from the jar. I did not wipe them at all, but note how clean they are after only 20 or 30 seconds of stirring. This picture shows what it's all like when the cleaner has had a bit longer to work on the grease, note the further breakdown of the grease;

    grease vs cleaner2.jpg

    It's not a particularly good experiment, although it has the benefit of not being as foolish as trying it out on your actual bike, and it's highly unlikely that you will ever get that much neat cleaner/degreaser into your bearings, at least not in a single washdown. Unless, of course, you're trying to prove a point.

    "I'll be sure to post any results tomorrow and for a couple of more days after that."

    I could be wrong, but I doubt you'll be able to see any effects, unless you're doing a few hundred miles. I would be interested to know how everything holds up with if you continue with your method for the next six months or so. It may or may not take a while to wash away the grease that contributes to the effectiveness of the component's seals, depending on the quality of the components, but once the seals have been compromsed the deterioration of the internal grease will accelerate.
    Are you financially well-off, Bavarian3900?
    I use soap and water, but I also spend a lot of time regreasing stuff.

    OT what happened to that wied brake rotor issue?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dusthuffer
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    "OT what happened to that wied brake rotor issue?"

    I removed the 20mm adaptor and reverted to a 165mm rotor on the rear. I've stuck a Mono M4 on the front and seem to have found a 203mm/F and 165mm/R to be the sweet set-up for my riding style. The M4 is outstanding.

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    GREAT idea!....

    Next time I change the oil in my truck I'm just going to fill up the crankcase with sudsey water...and I'll continue doing so until something goes wrong .

    We don't need no steenking lubricant, it's just an engineering myth .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ricko
    Next time I change the oil in my truck I'm just going to fill up the crankcase with sudsey water...and I'll continue doing so until something goes wrong .

    We don't need no steenking lubricant, it's just an engineering myth .
    Uhhh, yeah, maybe that's not really the same thing, huh?

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    SteveUK That looks like a nasty shotgun blast clean-up effort!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveUK
    You can save yourself the potential risk of damaging your bearings and/or hubs by getting a bunch of bearings, coating them in whichever grease you use in your hubs then dropping them into a jar with some of your chosen cleaner. Stir the bearings around in the jar to (very poorly) simulate the action of a rotating hub and you'll see exactly how the cleaner will affect the grease.
    This is the effect that Finish Line Super Bike Wash had on the Pedro's Syn (very thick, high quality grease) I coated these bearings in;

    grease vs cleaner.jpg

    The bottom left picture shows the bearings as I poured them from the jar. I did not wipe them at all, but note how clean they are after only 20 or 30 seconds of stirring. This picture shows what it's all like when the cleaner has had a bit longer to work on the grease, note the further breakdown of the grease;

    grease vs cleaner2.jpg

    It's not a particularly good experiment, although it has the benefit of not being as foolish as trying it out on your actual bike, and it's highly unlikely that you will ever get that much neat cleaner/degreaser into your bearings, at least not in a single washdown. Unless, of course, you're trying to prove a point.

    "I'll be sure to post any results tomorrow and for a couple of more days after that."

    I could be wrong, but I doubt you'll be able to see any effects, unless you're doing a few hundred miles. I would be interested to know how everything holds up with if you continue with your method for the next six months or so. It may or may not take a while to wash away the grease that contributes to the effectiveness of the component's seals, depending on the quality of the components, but once the seals have been compromsed the deterioration of the internal grease will accelerate.
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    You have wayyyyy too much time on your hands. But I like it. Good job!

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    Sure...

    Whatever floats your boat.

    The real issue, if somebody here hasn;t told you yet, is that you run the danger of sqirting dirt past the seals of your bearings, and making them all crunchy, if not fused.

    I know from personal experience. I've ruined two Shimano XT bottom brackets with 'gentile hose pressure' by not being gentile enough. Luckily, Shimano XT bottom brackets (the '03 octalink ones) aren't too expensive.

    Maybe you don't get the same kind of sandy dirt we do here in Northern California. I know a lot of the flat parts of Germany are pretty sandy. I dunno about Bavaria.

    I usually wash my bike in car Zip Wash. The local auto parts store sells it for like $3 a bottle, which lasts me years using it on the bike and the car. I use a bucket, the light sprinkly hose attachment and a lambswool mitt around the frame and rims.

    Then again, I hardly wash my bikes anymore.... come to think of it, I don;t ride them much either. At least, not enough!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ricko

    We don't need no steenking lubricant, it's just an engineering myth .
    Perpetuated by the lubrication industry, no doubt.

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    It's been two days and everything seems fine. If you guy's want 6 months of testing, then I'll do it. I still think the bicycle is going to be completely fine, regardless of the little jar test that was shown above.

    I'll keep you posted!

    P.S.

    I think it's hilarious that everyone is botherd so much by my "I'll continue to do so untill something goes wrong" statement! Hahaha! What do you guy's care?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bavarian3900
    It's been two days and everything seems fine. If you guy's want 6 months of testing, then I'll do it. I still think the bicycle is going to be completely fine, regardless of the little jar test that was shown above.

    I'll keep you posted!

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    I think it's hilarious that everyone is botherd so much by my "I'll continue to do so untill something goes wrong" statement! Hahaha! What do you guy's care?
    They are trying to keep you from making a silly, and potentially expensive, mistake.

    Finish Line assumes their customers are smart enough to know not to direct any cleaner or solvent directly at bearings they are not intending to clean and repack immediately.
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    I've been using various washes and a hose on my bikes for years. However, I won't say it's been problem-free. Due to the grease being washed out of the bearings (mostly suspension and bottom bracket), I have had many premature bearing failures. Keep in mind that the failures don't become noticeable for about 6 months or so.

    Having said that, I don't mind replacing bearings every so often. Heck, no matter what I do, I replace chains every six months. And so I will continue to use a wash and a hose.

    BTW, I finally figured out why some of my bikes have been having even faster bottom bracket bearing failures. Previously, I've had a few bikes with interrupted seat tubes. Currently, most of my stable has straight seat tubes. And since Thomson posts are open at the top (somewhat protected by the clamps), water makes its way to the bottom bracket area and then to the front pivot bearings of my Intense 5.5 and VPX. I just sealed up that bearing cavity from the bottom bracket, and I drilled a 1/16" hole in the BB shell to drain the water. We'll see how that goes.

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    "I think it's hilarious that everyone is botherd so much by my "I'll continue to do so untill something goes wrong" statement! Hahaha! What do you guy's care?"

    Some folk just care, I guess. It's a shame that you find it so hilarious.

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    Shiggy I think, has got most of the issue.

    If you are going to regrease and repack everything, then a finish line dunk can't hurt.

    If not then suppose, the grease seal on the BB has just worn out, and some degrease gets in there, your BB life will be reduced.

    I put a layer of grease as best I can over potential leaks to seals, then I clean it off when it gets dirty, with a mild degreaser (dish soap).

    I then put another secondary layer on. I also regrease frequently, (so the seals are in good shape), this allows the use of a mild degreaser.

    Final comment I would suggest you incorporate a finish line dunk iinto a biweekly program. This would accelerate the possible failure mechanism, and allow for a more conclusive end to the experiment perhaps by oh June

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveUK
    "I think it's hilarious that everyone is botherd so much by my "I'll continue to do so untill something goes wrong" statement! Hahaha! What do you guy's care?"

    Some folk just care, I guess. It's a shame that you find it so hilarious.
    I think it is great some care enough to create cleaning and maintenance guide web pages and include links in their signature!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bavarian3900
    I think it's hilarious that everyone is botherd so much by my "I'll continue to do so untill something goes wrong" statement! Hahaha! What do you guy's care?
    But to put it back at you...Why do you feel so compelled to convince anyone that this "myth" is bunk? I think it has been demonstrated clearly that this stuff is an effective degreaser, and it seems logical that a degreaser should not be used near parts that you do not intend to degrease.

    As far as caring, or being bothered goes...I think its just one of those things when someone acts as if conventional wisdom is wrong and proclaims that they will PROVE it wrong with a single case study, everyone wants to line up and make a statement so that they can say, "I told you so!" later.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bavarian3900
    No where on the bottle does it warn the customer of the "complications" spraying your bearings can cause
    That bottle lacks warnings about a lot of things, this does not absolve you from using logic and reason. McDonalds did not used to have a warning on their coffee cups about the coffee being hot....does that mean that prior to 1995 spilling it in your lap would not burn you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bavarian3900
    It's been two days and everything seems fine. If you guy's want 6 months of testing, then I'll do it. I still think the bicycle is going to be completely fine, regardless of the little jar test that was shown above.

    I'll keep you posted!

    P.S.

    I think it's hilarious that everyone is botherd so much by my "I'll continue to do so untill something goes wrong" statement! Hahaha! What do you guy's care?
    why did you post it if you didnt want to get a rise out of someone

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    Back to this smells good part. Why would you be smelling your bikes?
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    A silly and potentially expensive mistake? It's just a bike! AND my old hardtail for that matter. It's not even a big deal! It can all be replcaed if anything goes wrong! Haha!

    And I doubt Finish Line "assumes" for their customers. If that's true, that's a lousy company. No manufacturer of a product should assume anything. They should inform customers of all warnings regarding the product.

    So we'll see what happens! I'm cleaning it again tomorrow.

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    I've never seen...

    ... a warning not to cover yourself with gasoline and light a cigarette, but needless to say, that probably isn't a good idea either.

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    Hey, I think it's great that the OP is willing to do a real-world test. Like most other people, I assume that it's really not a good idea, but it's kind of nice that someone is willing to explore it.

    Let him go ahead and make his own mistakes, if that's what they are. He's going into it with his eyes open and a responsible attitude.
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    Quote Originally Posted by womble
    Hey, I think it's great that the OP is willing to do a real-world test. Like most other people, I assume that it's really not a good idea, but it's kind of nice that someone is willing to explore it.

    Let him go ahead and make his own mistakes, if that's what they are. He's going into it with his eyes open and a responsible attitude.

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    "Hey, I think it's great that the OP is willing to do a real-world test. Like most other people, I assume that it's really not a good idea, but it's kind of nice that someone is willing to explore it.

    Let him go ahead and make his own mistakes, if that's what they are. He's going into it with his eyes open and a responsible attitude."


    For me, it's not as much that the guy wants to do a real world test, it's more about the fact that he's being such a dick about it. As, I would imagine, have some of the other people that have posted, I've done my real world testing years ago and ruined at least one hub and a bottom bracket because I didn't understand the effects of WD40. Now I agree wholeheartedly that there is no substitute for experience, but experience also teaches you that there is often more than one way to skin a cat, as the expression goes. Experience will, hopefully, also teach us a small but wonderful thing called humility. I'm guessing that at least one person here will need a dictionary to understand that.

    "And I doubt Finish Line "assumes" for their customers. If that's true, that's a lousy company. No manufacturer of a product should assume anything. They should inform customers of all warnings regarding the product."

    Can you imagine the list? The bottle doesn't mention anything about not drinking it, either; so, tell me, does it taste as good as it smells?
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    Bavarian3900 = 14 year old troll by the sounds of it.

    Don't feed the trolls.

    Funnily enough, my car cleaner doesn't say "don't put into engine crank case", yet I don't feel compelled to try it out to prove some stupid non-scientific point that will ruin my engine.

    WD40 doesn't say "don't put in fuel tank" either...

    In fact, maybe Bavarian3900 should just drink a can of wd40 to prove a point :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveUK
    For me, it's not as much that the guy wants to do a real world test, it's more about the fact that he's being such a dick about it. As, I would imagine, have some of the other people that have posted, I've done my real world testing years ago and ruined at least one hub and a bottom bracket because I didn't understand the effects of WD40. Now I agree wholeheartedly that there is no substitute for experience, but experience also teaches you that there is often more than one way to skin a cat, as the expression goes. Experience will, hopefully, also teach us a small but wonderful thing called humility. I'm guessing that at least one person here will need a dictionary to understand that.
    He doesn't sound like a dick to me, he sounds fairly young and possibly a bit naive. But not half as obnoxious as lots of self professed experts on these forums (note that I'm not taking a dig at you here- I'm well impressed with your DIY guides).

    As should be fairly obvious from most responses to the original post, I really doubt that any of his findings are seriously going to sway anyone anyway. It's also fairly obvious, to me at least, that he's really going to be testing his bearing seals.
    Since when did the phrase "invest in" come to mean the same as "buy"?

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    Looks same to me..

    [QUOTE=AndrewTO]Uhhh, yeah, maybe that's not really the same thing, huh?

    Weather you're eliminating lube from your engine or from your your bike bearings there's going to be failure. It might take a while for ill effects to show but be patient...you'll be replacing things before their time

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    Dude, as stated, you most likely could not get enough of the cleaner into the bearings in just one wash to make much of an immediate impact, and if you did, your bearings would not sieze up overnight.

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    [QUOTE=SteveUK][I]Experience will, hopefully, also teach us a small but wonderful thing called humility. I'm guessing that at least one person here will need a dictionary to understand that.
    You guessed right - i needed 2 use a dictionary

    Anyways, i don't think that this will make such a huge difference to the bearing life. If the seals are gone and your riding in dusty/muddy conditions dirt/grit/sand is going to get into the bearings and ruin them quicker than no grease. I know that i'd rather have clean degreased bearings than greased ones with dirt and grit in them. I know from experience. I have a mate who never washed his bike. No matter how dirty it was, he would refuse to clean it. He had the old loose cage ball bearings in his Bottom bracket and after about 2-3 years of riding in all conditions nearly everyday with no washing at all the bearings start making a lovely crunching sound every time the pedals were revolving. My mate being my mate, not caring enough about his bike and not spending any money on a new BB just jet washed the bottom bracket with washing up liquid and warm water. Hey Presto no crunching/jumping etc. Just to make everything a bit smoother he just sprays chain lube onto the bottom bracket. He will repeat this everytime the crunching noise appears - so probs once or twice a year maximum. He has been doing this for at least 2-3 years and there is no play in the bottom bracket and he has no problems at all with the bike.
    I am not suggesting that you should jet wash your bearings or anything but just stating that my mate has done this for a number of years and has no trouble apart from jet washing the bike maybe once or twice a year when the bearings start crunching again
    i ride my bi*ch hard

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    Your mates objectives for his maintance plan are a little different from mine.

    It would seem your mates objective is to have a ridable bike, at very low cost of time and money. It certainly seems to work for him.

    My maintance objective is to have a very efficient bike with little regard for time or money.

    The recommend maintance plan needs to be developed in view of the owners objectives and desires.

    No one maintance plan can possibly cover all of the possible objectives.

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    Ya see, Finish Line Bike Wash is just that. When you're finished with the bike and want it nice and clean to sell it, suds it up! I just ordered a bottle and will be posting my HT in the Classifieds shortly

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bavarian3900
    It's been two days and everything seems fine. If you guy's want 6 months of testing, then I'll do it. I still think the bicycle is going to be completely fine, regardless of the little jar test that was shown above.

    I'll keep you posted!

    P.S.

    I think it's hilarious that everyone is botherd so much by my "I'll continue to do so untill something goes wrong" statement! Hahaha! What do you guy's care?

    If you want to fawk up your bike we don't give a damn.. hope you have a good time with your experiment.



    I used to wash/clean my bike religiously years ago. I kept having bearing failures so I began a new approach - virtually never cleaning it. So far I've been pretty pleased. I'll let everyone know in 6 months how it works out for me

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