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    Post your photos of failed stems:

    There is another thread here that was posted by "Santana", titled "Thomson Stem Failure". It seems that a lot of the sheeple on here are so enamored with the mighty Thomson brand, that they are in a Republican/climate change kind of denial that their sacred Thomson components could be anything less than PERFECT.

    Sooooo, I am asking EVERYBODY to post ANY PHOTOS of ANY OTHER BRAND OF STEM THAT HAS FAILED IN A SIMILAR MANNER. I am guessing that out of all of MTBRdom, that we will likely see no more than half a dozen similar failures OUT OF ALL OTHER BRANDS OF STEMS COMBINED...

    PROVE ME WRONG...

    For now: THOMSON STEMS = FAIL!!!
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    Trolling again I see, how many years have you been doing this now.

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    Why start a new thread when you could just comment on the thread you mention?

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    I think its pretty fair of bike doc to ask for pics of broken stems, the other thread was just for thomson, i'll be interested to see how many pics get put up.
    The only stems ive ever seen broken are ones that have a very thin face plate or a two sectioned face plate which i think is a poor design..
    In the Thomson thread there is alot of evidence their that they are trying to cut as much material off the stem to save weight to the detriment of their product, ive never seen more broken stems, one guy said hes broken 4.
    ive never owned a torque wrench, ive never broken a stem or pulled a thread in 20 years.
    The places some of those stems have broken has nothing to do with over Torque.
    Im not having a dig at Thomson, they have a great reputation so they must make good products, but the other thread speaks for its self, its very fair to ask the question after reading through that thread regarding the designs of some of Thomson products.
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    I have never seen a broken stem in the flesh. Possibly because I don't tighten the faceplate bolts to one-billion-foot-pounds.

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    ^^Im sure we will see a few in this thread but it should be in proportion to the thomson thread, if there is any one brand in this thread that matches the numbers in that thread i'll eat my hat.
    Fix the spade if you wanna see broken stems go check out the Thomson thread, theres enough to last you a life time.
    Now i know the Thomson lovers will be out in force in this thread, im not jumping to conclusions, im just asking questions about their design and am drawing a line between weight savings and strength.
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    As I thought...

    As I thought, no one has ANY photos of broken stems besides THOMSONS!!!

    When someone finally dies as a result of their Thomson stem failing, I'll be the first one to say, "I told you so!"

    THOMSON STEMS = FAIL
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bike Doc View Post
    As I thought, no one has ANY photos of broken stems besides THOMSONS!!!

    When someone finally dies as a result of their Thomson stem failing, I'll be the first one to say, "I told you so!"

    THOMSON STEMS = FAIL



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    I've seen at least 3 other brands of stems with cracked face-plates, but I don't have any pictures as they weren't my stem and I didn't see any reason to take a picture. My Thomson stem, however, has not cracked.
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    Uhmmmm, talk about fail, all one has to do is google broken mtb stem to find results. Even if you dismiss half of the reports it still leaves enough claims to provide enough anecdotal evidence to point out that you are obviously an attention starved troll suffering from a fit of histrionics. Go troll the all mountain forum.

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    Since no one else has posted a pic, here you go:
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    It makes sense to me that Thomson failures will be the most common. Aren't they the most popular stem for the mtb world?
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    Four Thomson stems at our house--not a hint of a crack. Even if it did, it's lightweight gear made from high strength aluminum, a material which can be prone to environmentally induced failures like corrosion-fatigue. Lightweight stuff can be finicky and you have maintain it properly.

    If you want bulletproof, buy a 1lb stem made from low carbon steel. I'll stick with my Thomsons.
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    I once had a Tioga single-bolt stem from 1990 that started to look "funny" - kinda wavy along the length of it. That was after I broke a front hub, 2 handlebars, and a front rim.

    Since then I've tried Thomson because I like the steerer clamp. Still have them. However, I found forged 4-bolt stems that weigh less and cost 1/3 as much. That one has tolerated crashes and 2 broken front rims with no problems.

    I'm off the hype wagon.

    ...and I'm guessing at torque (historically I am pretty good for my torque estimations).

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    Let us see your pictures of your broken stems - Thomson or not! Pictures or GTFO

    Otherwise, stop being a poser and just get out and ride You must be starving for attention

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    You know what Lance Armstrong would say about this thread. "The OP is on a witch hunt"
    Becides that shouldn't the title of this lame ass thread have "accept Thomson" in it.
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    Or people like you are easily swayed(brainwashed) into thinking climate change is man-made and not the natural cycle it has has been for eons and 'global warming' is something being used for taxation purposes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fleas View Post
    Since then I've tried Thomson because I like the steerer clamp. Still have them. However, I found forged 4-bolt stems that weigh less and cost 1/3 as much. That one has tolerated crashes and 2 broken front rims with no problems.

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    What kinda stem is that?

    I've never broken a stem and have Thomson stems on 3 bikes, my roadie stem just crossed 4K miles but that was only in two years and not very hard riding.

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    I had a race face just like the one above. Cracked in the very same place. Not a catastrophic failure, so I just retired it. All of the stem failures I have seen (maybe 4?) have all been in the faceplate. 2 of those failures were thomsons. I think all of the failures were related to over torquing. Not a single failure was catastrophic in nature. Just hairline cracks.

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    Thomson has a rep for building stout stuff. It attracts those who ride harder. Combine this with the fact that they rarely change their products around and have been consistent with their graphics. It is hard to tell if a stem is 6 years old or 1 year old. They also have a high resale value and thus see a lot of use. How many used Ritchey and Easton stems do you see for sale versus Thomson? People also are more likely to get upset when their $80 stem fails versus a $5 Easton special. I believe Thomson faceplates are stronger than the competition when installed correctly. The issue I see is that they dont have reliefs cut into them like other brands. You have to evenly tighten down on the bolts kind of like lug nuts on a car to ensure the faceplate is torqued down evenly. I think the OP failed on this one for a lack of common sense and short sightedness. He wanted to prove a point but I think it is <del>mute</del> moot. Now go back to beating the snot out of your thomson!
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    Quote Originally Posted by FireLikeIYA View Post
    Thomson has a rep for building stout stuff. It attracts those who ride harder. Combine this with the fact that they rarely change their products around and have been consistent with their graphics. It is hard to tell if a stem is 6 years old or 1 year old. They also have a high resale value and thus see a lot of use. How many used Ritchey and Easton stems do you see for sale versus Thomson? People also are more likely to get upset when their $80 stem fails versus a $5 Easton special. I believe Thomson faceplates are stronger than the competition when installed correctly. The issue I see is that they dont have reliefs cut into them like other brands. You have to evenly tighten down on the bolts kind of like lug nuts on a car to ensure the faceplate is torqued down evenly. I think the OP failed on this one for a lack of common sense and short sightedness. He wanted to prove a point but I think it is mute. Now go back to beating the snot out of your thomson!
    Your response is very similar to one I had a couple days,ago into the "cracked Thomson thread". Which prompted the OP of this thread to go on a witch hunt and start this thread. Anyway I cut and pasted one of my posts from the other thread that is similar to yours.


    [Originally posted by DIRTJUNKIE,] Don't jump ship just yet there Mr. T. this thread is but a fraction of a fraction of all the stems on the trails. This always happens with all products related to MTBing. Once someone posts a product failure more come out of the woodwork and it gets blown out of proportion. More times than not it's the consumers fault.
    Look at the outstanding customer service this company doe's to keep the consumer happy. I'm sure if there was an ongoing and frequent issue they would address it and fix the flaw. They have been at the top of the industry for 15 years I am sure they wouldn't sacrifice a top notch reputation that they have built on for so long.

    And IMO some of these torque issues are not only tightening down out of torque specs. But also could it be because some guys don't know the importance of tightening down a 1/4 turn on a bolt. Then alternating to another bolt back and fourth 1/4 turn at a time. Some guys tighten a bolt then tighten another bolt which puts uneven pressure in an area which can result in failure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NicoleB28 View Post
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    this one, i was just drunk.


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    Quote Originally Posted by FireLikeIYA View Post
    I believe Thomson faceplates are stronger than the competition when installed correctly. The issue I see is that they dont have reliefs cut into them like other brands.!
    Ok, you're second sentence renders you're first sentence mute.

    Quote Originally Posted by FireLikeIYA View Post
    You have to evenly tighten down on the bolts kind of like lug nuts on a car to ensure the faceplate is torqued down evenly. I think the OP failed on this one for a lack of common sense and short sightedness.
    Whats the bet that if you ask all those who suffered a failed thomson stem, if they have other brand of stems which have failed them, the answer would probably be no. So your point about improper instillation does not hold water. Improper instillation is a copout, you're naive to think that you're the only one (or two) that knows how to properly install stems.
    According to google, it's widespread, and has been for many years...nice one Thomson, nice one!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by NicoleB28 View Post
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    this one, i was just drunk.

    you are damn funny


    Doesn't the OP know that no one ever lives from a broken stem, hence no pics

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    Quote Originally Posted by SV11 View Post
    Ok, you're second sentence renders you're first sentence mute.
    Maybe I didn't word it correctly for all readers. It's about properly distributing the stress. The Thomson faceplate is a solid piece of aluminum. If it is not tightened evenly the material can actually work against itself in the form of stress risers. That's why a lot of face plates have a hollowed section in the middle.or material removed on the sides between bolt holes so that it has some give when not properly torqued down. This helps eliminate the stress risers from a sloppy install but removing material also reduces the strength... at least that is how I look at it and it makes me happy.


    Quote Originally Posted by SV11 View Post
    Whats the bet that if you ask all those who suffered a failed thomson stem, if they have other brand of stems which have failed them, the answer would probably be no. So your point about improper instillation does not hold water. Improper instillation is a copout, you're naive to think that you're the only one (or two) that knows how to properly install stems.
    According to google, it's widespread, and has been for many years...nice one Thomson, nice one!!
    The "thomson stem failure" thread is the most active with recent history so it will show up in the searches (I bet other non bike related items are showing up in your searches as well). But to get to the question let me ask this, do you spend $80 bucks on a stem only to put it on your backup bike while putting a cheapo on your primary? I don't. I have a bunch of cheap stems and the two sitting in my bike parts box haven't broke yet. (EDIT: Duhr, 1 cheap stem in my parts box... the other is a Thomson) I am not saying there haven't been legitimate failures and I am not questioning anyone who says so but I dont think Thomson is deserving of the witch hunt... You gotta remember, these things are advertised as a light weight Freeride/Downhill stem and I guarantee you that some are ridden in such conditions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FireLikeIYA View Post
    Maybe I didn't word it correctly for all readers. It's about properly distributing the stress. The Thomson faceplate is a solid piece of aluminum. If it is not tightened evenly the material can actually work against itself in the form of stress risers. That's why a lot of face plates have a hollowed section in the middle.or material removed on the sides between bolt holes so that it has some give when not properly torqued down. This helps eliminate the stress risers from a sloppy install but removing material also reduces the strength... at least that is how I look at it and it makes me happy. .

    Dude, it's not just the faceplate that's breaking, have another look through the stem failure thread. So, what's your theory on other area's of the stem cracking?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SV11 View Post
    Dude, it's not just the faceplate that's breaking, have another look through the stem failure thread. So, what's your theory on other area's of the stem cracking?
    Manufacture/material defect, material has reached the end of its useful life, blunt force, too much torque.... Your guess is as good as mine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SV11 View Post
    Ok, you're second sentence renders you're first sentence mute.



    Whats the bet that if you ask all those who suffered a failed thomson stem, if they have other brand of stems which have failed them, the answer would probably be no. So your point about improper instillation does not hold water. Improper instillation is a copout, you're naive to think that you're the only one (or two) that knows how to properly install stems.
    According to google, it's widespread, and has been for many years...nice one Thomson, nice one!!
    The word should be "moot".

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    Quote Originally Posted by GTscoob View Post
    What kinda stem is that? ...
    I don't brag that I got it here but I shopped around and it met the criteria of "90 or 100mm 4-bolt forged stem w/ 31.8mm bar clamp". 155g @ 100mm.

    Riding rigid. Going fast. Falling down. It works.
    It is finished pretty well with chamfers or radii where needed and the inside of it looks great, but I did see one that was made crooked - something I'd have to think you'd never ever see in a Thomson. The steerer clamp was bored through at an angle. It looked pretty scary in that the material wall thickness was inconsistent and thin on one side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigbadwulff View Post
    Or people like you are easily swayed(brainwashed) into thinking climate change is man-made and not the natural cycle it has has been for eons and 'global warming' is something being used for taxation purposes.
    Funny how there is science to prove climate change has happened since, well forever, and suddenly it's some big deal. Get on with your life and quit believing what others are saying because it helps you put down people you are bigoted against.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DavyRay View Post
    The word should be "moot".
    Jesus, why stop there, man? The whole post is riddled with airrers.

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    I think all of us in this thread are guilty.



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    Quote Originally Posted by DavyRay View Post
    The word should be "moot".
    Aussie slang, the word moot takes on a different meaning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SV11 View Post
    Aussie slang, the word moot takes on a different meaning.
    LOL, No thats ROOT, Like putting a root through nice fertile warm earth, if you know what i mean......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tone's View Post
    LOL, No thats ROOT, Like putting a root through nice fertile warm earth, if you know what i mean......
    Hahaha, yeah I know what you mean...
    I mean't moot as in part of the female anatomy.

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    lol, how did you know that, i never thought you were talkin bout that, you must have been here..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tone's View Post
    lol, how did you know that, i never thought you were talkin bout that, you must have been here..
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    I did participate in a moot court once. I guess in Australia, that would take on a complete new meaning? What's a moot point then? I'm getting some goofy mental images here.

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    Born and live here (Aus).
    Aaaaah i never knew, cheers fellow ozzy......
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    Quote Originally Posted by DavyRay View Post
    I did participate in a moot court once. I guess in Australia, that would take on a complete new meaning? What's a moot point then? I'm getting some goofy mental images here.
    LOL, two moot points, one on the inside, one on the outside, but you already knew that Davy
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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE, View Post
    This always happens with all products related to MTBing. Once someone posts a product failure more come out of the woodwork and it gets blown out of proportion. More times than not it's the consumers fault.
    .
    I'm still waiting for all of the other non-Thomson stem failures to "come out of the woodwork" as this genius says is going to happen...

    So far only Nicole and some poor dude with a snapped disgRace Face are the only ones to pony up; and we are seeing that statistically, even wine glasses are stronger than Thomson Stems! (One confirmed failure versus all of the Thomson carnage on the "Failed Thomson Stem" thread...)

    Props to Nicole for the effort she put into this important topic!

    By the way, DirtieJunk, I'm pretty sure that if you talk with stem manufacturers, that you will find that the cut out face plates are for weight savings, NOT to reduce stress risers as your delusional little mind assumes. Maybe you could test your stupid theory though, by boring a big hole in the already flimsy face plate of a Thomson stem, cranking it tight in an uneven pattern and riding really fast on some super-gnarly trail, like "The Flying Monkey", in Virgin, UT. Let us know how all of that works out for you...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bike Doc View Post
    I'm still waiting for all of the other non-Thomson stem failures to "come out of the woodwork" as this idjit says is going to happen...

    So far only Nicole and some poor dude with a snapped disgRace Face are the only ones to pony up; and we are seeing that statistically, even wine glasses are stronger than Thomson Stems! (One confirmed failure versus all of the Thomson carnage on the "Failed Thomson Stem" thread...)

    Props to Nicole for the effort she put into this important topic!

    By the way, DirtieJunk, I'm pretty sure that if you talk with stem manufacturers, that you will find that the cut out face plates are for weight savings, NOT to reduce stress risers as your delusional little mind assumes. Maybe you could test your stupid theory though, by boring a big hole in the already flimsy face plate of a Thomson stem, cranking it tight in an uneven pattern and riding really fast on some super-gnarly trail, like "The Flying Monkey", in Virgin, UT. Let us know how all of that works out for you...
    Wow you trolled right off the deep end with that gem of a post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bike Doc View Post
    I'm still waiting for all of the other non-Thomson stem failures to "come out of the woodwork" as this idjit says is going to happen...
    Cracked Thomson Stem

    I'm still waiting for all of the Thomson stem failures to "come out of the woodwork"

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    Quote Originally Posted by 410sprint View Post
    Cracked Thomson Stem

    I'm still waiting for all of the Thomson stem failures to "come out of the woodwork"
    I said that I'm still waiting for all of the NON-Thomson stems to come out of the woodwork.

    AND, I'm STILL waiting...
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    republican sheeple; climate change denialists; enarmored with mighty sacred brand uh huh, you're making the world a better place for everyone, eh? Thanks but no thanks comrade.

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    Still trolling I see.
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    Stem failures are extremely rare. You'll be waiting for a long time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bike Doc View Post
    I said that I'm still waiting for all of the NON-Thomson stems to come out of the woodwork.

    AND, I'm STILL waiting...
    And we are all still waiting for you to put your straight jacket back on and resume medication.
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