read up some on here before I got them and figured I would share now that I have ran them a few miles (50 or so).

They have half the padding of my fox shorts but somehow they are actually much more comfortable. I dig the pockets but the one in the back is a bit weird as you can feel it against your "tailbone" or whatever

The rubber bands that hold the liner in are a joke, might as well just keep the separate. I really dig that they are not a tie style and have a zipper/snap.

All in all since I got them on sale for $55 I dig em, still a lot IMHO for shorts but they are doing the trick and replaced my fox shorts for my favorite riding shorts.