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    "Next" and "Mongoose" mountain bikes

    I saw a slew of these bikes at Wal Mart today (don't ask why I was there), and they just have ridiculous features for bikes costing $99. I highly doubt you could trust a full suspension mountain bike at a two-figure price point.. Can anybody comment on the quality of these bikes? They look... flashy, and... well, cool. I almost know they are complete garbage. I wonder if they would even be good for a few singletrack downhill rides or if they would just fall apart under the smallest amount of stress. I know the components are crap but what about the frames? Has anybody, out of curiousity, tried a $99 full suspension mountain bike?

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    this thread will end badly..

    please use the search as this has been covered (in depth) a million times...

    but the short of it is this:
    - for 'real' MTB'ing these brands will not hold up well.
    - for paved bike path/sidewalk they will work fine.

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    i went to Oleta about 6 months ago with 2 friends who showed up with a pair of "Next" FS bikes. They grew up riding BMX so they know how to ride a bike. Oleta is not particularly brutal on bikes. Within 30 minutes the rear derailleur snapped off and the crank bent. 20 minutes later the rear suspension of the other bike literally snapped, and the stem detached itself from the bike.

    hope that helps.

    and like i said relative to the photos I see on this forum, Oleta is NOT hard on bikes.

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    You get exactly what you pay $100.00 for, a $100.00 F/S bike. As far as trying one, no I have not felt the need to buy one. Logic tells me that when a decent rear shock for my Trance X costs about $300.00 that on a $100.00 F/S bike they cut some corners to meet the price point. Good luck.

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    I dont plan on getting one. I have a Giant MTB already, I just find it funny that they make these bikes with all these fancy "components" on them when in reality making a less flashy bike would be more benficial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpAgetttt View Post
    I dont plan on getting one. I have a Giant MTB already, I just find it funny that they make these bikes with all these fancy "components" on them when in reality making a less flashy bike would be more benficial.


    Flash is what sells it to the uninformed. Every industry is like this in one form or fashion. It is not unique to the cycling world.

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    Yeah that's why I see these bikes all over the place.

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    i have an old 90's mongoose back when it was a bikeshop brand. it is NOT my sole mtb, i just use it as a store cruiser.

    did you know NEXT has disc brakes now? scary!
    anyway, we were discussing how funny it would be to all grab a NEXT and take it out on our normal trails just to see what we could do with them. Reminds me of a "top gear" challenge. just beat the piss out of them to see what happens.

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    ....sometimes though, they have crappy bike builders too. could explain why people have stuff just randomly falling off

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    Funny how they call these bikes mountain bikes when they have stickers on them that say not intended for off road use.
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    If you're looking for a bike in that price range, buy used or go for a rigid bike.

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    of course as a kid the whole neighborhood rode cheap bikes. i had a pacific that costed maybe 170, which was more thn most of them at toys r us. i actually loved it. but i was 12, so i didnt know any better. but it fit me well and it was comfortable. i "mountain biked" in it for years, if you can call it that. i think it worked out fine because it was a rigid bike. it didnt have any fancy components to "go wrong". no suspension. Fast forward 15 years, and i started riding my local easy trails on a dept store schwinn. It did the job, it was comfy...but heavy. but i only rode it about 4 months until i got myself a 700 dollar bike (on sale for 360!) and i was like wow....DISC BRAKES ACTUALLY STOP!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by NicoleB28 View Post
    i have an old 90's mongoose back when it was a bikeshop brand. it is NOT my sole mtb, i just use it as a store cruiser.

    did you know NEXT has disc brakes now? scary!
    anyway, we were discussing how funny it would be to all grab a NEXT and take it out on our normal trails just to see what we could do with them. Reminds me of a "top gear" challenge. just beat the piss out of them to see what happens.
    Dirt Rag did a nice write up in that a few months ago. if I could find it I would give the linky
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    The mongoose deception is actually a decent bike for 200. The Next bikes are pretty much junk and I wouldn't take them off road.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoomerBrian View Post
    The mongoose deception is actually a decent bike for 200. The Next bikes are pretty much junk and I wouldn't take them off road.
    Should we all assume you ride a Mongoose Deception?

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    I repair these bikes all week long at the shop. Trust me, they're junk. Aside from poor quality parts and materials (off brand shifters and derailleurs often cannot be made to actually index correctly; flexy brake housing instead of shift housing, etc.), They are never assembled or adjusted correctly. They use freewheels instead of cassettes, which results in bent axles. Brakes are junk, and don't return consistently, The "shocks" are just springs with no damping.

    Please do not try to ride these off road. We had a customer use one for dirt jumping, and ended up with a catastrophic fork separation followed by reconstructive facial surgery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mullen119 View Post
    Should we all assume you ride a Mongoose Deception?
    I don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoomerBrian View Post
    I don't.



    Genesis, gotta be.

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    BSO(bicycle shaped object)=junk. Terrible products. I really wish they would just sell rigid bikes with decent components instead of trying sell bikes that look "cool". At the $200 price point, with big box buying power they could sell a functional safe bike if they wanted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS View Post
    Genesis, gotta be.
    Lol...very good Sherlock. I do have their 29er. For 200 the bike is decent. They are definitely better than the Next bikes which I would not take off road. I have a couple of hundred miles of single track time on it and it is holding up fine. It is a matter of time before I have to replace the BB and cranks but I knew that going into it. I wanted to ride now and at the moment due to other financial obligations I couldn't afford the bike I wanted.

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    I wonder why department stores haven't been sued over the failures of bikes that result in injuries. On the flip side CostCo sells a decent bike and target has the Forge line.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kona0197 View Post
    I wonder why department stores haven't been sued over the failures of bikes that result in injuries. On the flip side CostCo sells a decent bike and target has the Forge line.


    They have, it takes some searching but there are a litany of lawsuits over bicycles in general, not just Dept. Store bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpAgetttt View Post
    I saw a slew of these bikes at Wal Mart today (don't ask why I was there), and they just have ridiculous features for bikes costing $99. I highly doubt you could trust a full suspension mountain bike at a two-figure price point.. Can anybody comment on the quality of these bikes? They look... flashy, and... well, cool. I almost know they are complete garbage. I wonder if they would even be good for a few singletrack downhill rides or if they would just fall apart under the smallest amount of stress. I know the components are crap but what about the frames? Has anybody, out of curiousity, tried a $99 full suspension mountain bike?
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    Gotta give respect to Dirt Rag for running that story. Surely MBA wouldn't even think about it.
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    I went through a tough financial spell back in the early 90's and my 1st wife and I wanted to ride bikes so we bought crappy Huffy MTBs. I was in between decent bikes at the time. We never did anything beyond street riding with them and we got a few years out of them and sold them. They were heavy and the components were terrible even compared to current dept store bikes but they served the purpose at the time. I've been on nice bike and crappy bikes and certainly prefer the nice bikes but at least I was riding. Riding crap still beats festering on the couch mastering the latest X-box 360 game...

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodandsteel View Post
    I repair these bikes all week long at the shop. Trust me, they're junk.

    Please do not try to ride these off road. We had a customer use one for dirt jumping, and ended up with a catastrophic fork separation followed by reconstructive facial surgery.
    Thank you for the warning. I was half joking with friends about buying one of these bikes and beating it to death jumping it and stuff but now it sounds like it's more likely to beat me to death than vice versa!

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    A coworker bought one of those bikes to commute to work (on sidewalks and bike lanes) and within a year he broke the frame in half. He went to a bike store for his next bike...

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    Spagette, you siad:
    (don't ask why I was there)
    there is nothing wrong with shopping at Walmart, UNLESS you are looking for quality bike. I heard someone say, "Everybody complains about Walmart except the consumer".
    Sorebuttbike said:
    I've been on nice bike and crappy bikes and certainly prefer the nice bikes but at least I was riding. Riding crap still beats festering on the couch mastering the latest X-box 360 game...
    Good statement.

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    Riding crap still beats festering on the couch mastering the latest X-box 360 game...
    Agreed.

    As I said earlier though the Costco Northwood bikes and target Forge bikes seem to be decent entry level bikes albeit coming from a department store.
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    We had beat the living snot out of Huffy Stalkers we got from the PX when I was stationed in Korea in the early 90's. Those were terrible bikes. Side pull steel caliper brakes, nothing was aluminum, they weighed a ton. We did eventually break them but they seemed to be more tough than the current cheapie bikes sound. They were fully rigid of course. When we did break them we just went and got another one.

    I think the new ones are more fragile because they are over complicated. I agree that they should be rigid or at least a suspension fork. I think rear suspension is just not possible to execute cheaply and safely and it encourages riding beyond the capabilities of that cheap bike despite the warning stickers. It also seems that final assembly is the biggest problem. I have seen who works at Wal-Mart, no way am I trusting even my most hated enemy on something assembled by these individuals.

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    Saw a 29er at walmart earlier that I swore had plastic rims. Could be wrong
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    Had a next and its what got me interested in real Mountain biking, as noted by chum they can get a person around light riding but there is simply no comparison on quality to any level with a "real" bike.
    Mine did get my ass around town for five years, I sold it to a guy who has been riding the piss out of it in town for over a year now as his to work commuting bike and loves it, go figure.
    As for components, everything works on them, barely, the initial setup friggin sucks and I took mine in and had it tuned at the local LBS, that helped but again, still not a real comparison.

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    Mongoose used to be a good name.

    I have a Tange steel rigid SS which I ride (IBOC Zero G) and a Looptail 7000 series aluminum that I'm ready to sell (IBOC Pro). I'd keep it, but it's too big a 20".

    They even had a nice Ti bike. I think Tomac rode Mongoose for a while, too.

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    i went to ***** to buy my 13 yr old son his first "real " mtb. not a good idea.after 2 trips back returning bikes that broke on their first trip to the trails,i ended up just asking for my money back and went to my lbs and bought him a giant boulder se.you get what you pay for for sure.

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    My lady friend bought a couple walgooses for herself and her son just the other day. I warned her not to. Then again, they will rarely ever ride the bikes...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffw-13 View Post
    Saw a 29er at walmart earlier that I swore had plastic rims. Could be wrong
    was it orange and white ? if so i saw it too and no i dont think it did. the one i saw was 200 bucks

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    i have seen alot of kids riding wal mart bmx bikes at the my local skatepark. its scary lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffw-13 View Post
    Saw a 29er at walmart earlier that I swore had plastic rims. Could be wrong
    Did they have stickers saying "carbon-inspired"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nailtrail View Post
    i have seen alot of kids riding wal mart bmx bikes at the my local skatepark. its scary lol
    I have seen kids with type II diabetes, heart troubles, morbidly obese, no creativity, nothing going on. It's scary.

    Kids riding cheap BMX bikes = good.
    Kids turning into blobs = bad

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    I have seen kids with type II diabetes, heart troubles, morbidly obese, no creativity, nothing going on. It's scary.

    Kids riding cheap BMX bikes = good.
    Kids turning into blobs = bad
    no i am all for them riding, its great seeing younger kids being active. i just wish there parents could afford safer bikes for them

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    Quote Originally Posted by NicoleB28 View Post
    did you know NEXT has disc brakes now? scary!
    anyway, we were discussing how funny it would be to all grab a NEXT and take it out on our normal trails just to see what we could do with them. Reminds me of a "top gear" challenge. just beat the piss out of them to see what happens.
    I heard Top Gear did something like this.

    They picked up some department store bikes and had a trials guy ride them. He destroyed them, mostly within minutes.

    I'd really like to see that episode, but haven't found it. So maybe it doesn't exist. It certainly seems plausible, though.
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    i love top gear lol

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    Not that its extremely relevant but as an old school Mongoose fan I have to state something. Back in the late 90's Mongoose bought out Huffy. At that point Mongoose used the huffy manufacturing plants to make sidewalk (walmart) bikes for mass production and sale. At the same time they also started manufacturing bike shop quality Huffy bicyles. So basically by your mongoose at walmart, get a huffy. Buy your huffy at a bike shop, get a mongoose.

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    Couple of years ago we were riding porcupine rim on our $6000 steeds when a group of high school kids on Nexts and Mongooses cut through our group wearing Jeans with water bottles in the cages..

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_owl View Post
    Couple of years ago we were riding porcupine rim on our $6000 steeds when a group of high school kids on Nexts and Mongooses cut through our group wearing Jeans with water bottles in the cages..
    At least they were riding instead of sitting on their asses playing warcraft or smoking dope lol. Everyone has to start somewhere.

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    Quite a few years ago I had a Gary Fisher Big Sur that cost about 900 give or take, and I rode it to work every day and was allowed to keep it inside at my work. One a fellow employee commented on how nice my bike was and asked how something like that costs, I told her about 900, and she about fell over backward. She told me that you could get the same thing at Wal-Mart for a 100 bucks, thats a waste of money she said, and just told her that I like to waste money.

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    I don't care what types of bikes strangers ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 918biker View Post
    Quite a few years ago I had a Gary Fisher Big Sur that cost about 900 give or take, and I rode it to work every day and was allowed to keep it inside at my work. One a fellow employee commented on how nice my bike was and asked how something like that costs, I told her about 900, and she about fell over backward. She told me that you could get the same thing at Wal-Mart for a 100 bucks, thats a waste of money she said, and just told her that I like to waste money.
    Good reply lol

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