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    Mystery bike ID hel needed

    Can anyone help me figure out what this bike?

    It looks like a custum build.....?










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    Any markings on the BB shell?

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    The rear end is likely an AMP. The whole frame may be, too, though many small builders used the AMP rear.
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    Are we sure this isn't a Wal-Goose frame? Didn't some of the dept. store bikes come with the Amp-style suspension?
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    Thr rear suspension say Amp.

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    It also has a Noleen fork.

    Heres another detail shot.


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    Rear derailour is a Sram X7

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    The serial #s are on the head tube. That's weird in its own right.

    I say AMP for the back too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dru View Post
    The serial #s are on the head tube. That's weird in its own right.

    I say AMP for the back too.
    Correct, the BB is bare.

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    I am with the AMP chorus, but I didn't know they ever made 1 1/8 headsets frames which I thought was the Mega-Air. When did AMP stop making bikes, I though it was before the 1 1/8 headset "relolution?"

    And the Mega-Air . . . light and one of the first to push 32mm. The chrome stantions wore quickly for me.

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    whatever it is, it looks like it hasn't been used in awhile (maybe a barn find), or at least not well taken care of. rusty vee post bolts and pad hardware, rusty rear QR, rusty hardware on craptastic plastic pedals.

    The way it's built suggests it was a quality build at one time, though. I haven't seen canti posts that were bolted on before. usually they're welded on. I'd say the curved top tube also suggests a better builder. This thing can't be newer than 2000, I'd say, and curved aluminum tubes were not common back then because it's not easy to do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dru View Post
    The serial #s are on the head tube. That's weird in its own right.

    I say AMP for the back too.
    Correct, the BB is bare.

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    What is odd to me is the v. low level rusty parts such as the brakes. The bolt on cable clips on the downtube are odd too. The rims look really cheap. Is that a Noleen shock on the rear? I still say Wal-Amp...I can feel it flexing through the picture
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    Could it be a K2 Razorback?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TiGeo View Post
    Could it be a K2 Razorback?
    that was the mass produced bike with this suspension design I was thinking of but could not recall the name. I've never seen one in person so I'm not sure if any of the small details match.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TiGeo View Post
    Could it be a K2 Razorback?
    Close, but I don't think so.

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    It is definitely "not" a K2 Razorback.
    But it is a 1999' Titus Racer x
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    Could this thing be a Titus?

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    Doubtful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE, View Post
    It is definitely "not" a K2 Razorback.
    But it is a 1999' Titus Racer x
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    Hmmm i don't see the racer-x

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    Quote Originally Posted by NateHawk View Post
    Hmmm i don't see the racer-x
    What the links not working, it just worked for me. Click and once the black screen appears give it a minute to load.
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    Doesn't look like a Racer X to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drummerboy1975 View Post
    Doesn't look like a Racer X to me.
    Yeah you guys are right it's not. My brain can usually pick these old rides out. There were a number of knock offs with this basic frame design but for some reason they have escaped my memory. Time for some Ginkgo. It most definitely is a 1998-1999' time frame.
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    I'm trying to decide if I should rebuild it or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drummerboy1975 View Post
    I'm trying to decide if I should rebuild it or not.
    I would hold off until you figure out what you got. Although the components scream a good brand. The Noleen fork was concidered a good fork. They never made it main stream. Some companies used them to appear more high end than the norm. Most of the parts have been upgraded from the year of the frame.
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    D8's bike?
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    Could be an AMP Research B3.
    I don't crash, I just have slightly uncontrolled dismounts!

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    Ok, sorry, I didn't look close enough to notice it actually says AMP on the rear dropout..so my Wal-Amp comments are off..disregard..looks like a B3 to me.
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    Look at it with one eye closed.
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    Dude...that is it or damn close. This also explains why it needed canti mounts clamped to the seat stays.
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    Close, but no.

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    Pic of a B3


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    Quote Originally Posted by Drummerboy1975 View Post
    Close, but no.





    Sorry but that is as close a iteneration of yours as you are going to get. Email AMP w/ pics and ask them. You're welcome.

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    Still not it, check out the gussets at the end of the toptube of the OP's. It is most definitely an AMP suspension design. But during this time frame there were several companies using that design.
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    That AMP is absolutely MONEY! Love the skinwall Smokes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TiGeo View Post
    That AMP is absolutely MONEY! Love the skinwall Smokes.
    Yeah definitely a cool looking vintage bike. But one of the worst suspension designs ever.
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    As I posted earlier, it has an Amp swingarm, but what the frame is, thats still up in th air.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drummerboy1975 View Post
    As I posted earlier, it has an Amp swingarm, but what the frame is, thats still up in th air.
    Yeah that post was in reference to the the photo of the AMP. Your frame is definitely not an AMP but one of the several companies that used that suspension design. The mystery rolls on.
    Edit: Unless your frame is an AMP and some gussets were custom welded on to it. Just a thought, because those AMP frames were very prone to cracking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE, View Post
    Yeah definitely a cool looking vintage bike. But one of the worst suspension designs ever.
    Oh man, I don't think so...the Horst Link is the basis for some of the designs still in use! The thing I remember about them is the flexiness of the rear end.
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    On the one I have, the cable for the RD runs through the chain stay....

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    Where did it come from or where did you find it? Any history on it at all? Might help narrow it down.

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    it looks like the 2000 B3 had the right curved TT and seat tube gusset, but can't tell about the HT gusset.

    AMP Research 2000 B-3 All Country XT Full Suspension Bike Reviews

    I don't think we'll find anything that looks right with the clamp on brake post mounts, because AMP was playing around with its 3 bolt disc brake

    this one is about the most similar pic I have found, but I don't know what year it was.



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    Note that the derailleur cable does run through the chainstay.



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    sifting through google images, I can't find any verified 2000 models of this bike aside from the tiny mtbr thumbnail. A lot of other manufacturers who used this frame design (Mongoose, Litespeed) used square tubing in the rear triangle, presumably to reduce the flexiness. they also ran the rear derailleur cable down the seatstay.

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    Thanks Natehawk!!!

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    Could it be a 1999 B3 with some parts changed?




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    Any more idea's???

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    Bad with link, sorry. Google "2000 AMP Research B-3 Laguna Beach Classic"

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    Having a hard time finding a photo that doesn't suck

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    The bikepedia page for that bike shows a picture that looks very similar to me, though I'm not sure if the pic is actually of the B-3 Laguna Classic

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2fargon View Post
    The bikepedia page for that bike shows a picture that looks very similar to me, though I'm not sure if the pic is actually of the B-3 Laguna Classic
    I wouldn't hold Bikepedia as being a bike Bible as some think. I found 3 mistakes on a description of one bike I recently looked up. If they can make 3 mistakes on one bike I can just imagine how many mistakes there are amongst thousands of bikes.
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    The curved top tube is key here - I like the Laguna Beach model..seems to be a match.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE, View Post
    I wouldn't hold Bikepedia as being a bike Bible as some think. I found 3 mistakes on a description of one bike I recently looked up. If they can make 3 mistakes on one bike I can just imagine how many mistakes there are amongst thousands of bikes.
    Totally agree. I noticed they were showing the same pic for several different models while I was looking around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2fargon View Post
    Totally agree. I noticed they were showing the same pic for several different models while I was looking around.
    all of the 2000 model B3's have the same pic, for example, which coincidentally looks a lot like the one the MTBR reviews use.

    I doubt you could pin it down any further without contacting AMP with the serial number.

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    With that said, the serial number of the bike is located on the steering tube. Was that standard practice on Amp's?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drummerboy1975 View Post
    With that said, the serial number of the bike is located on the steering tube. Was that standard practice on Amp's?
    So an AMP it is, now get working on the restoration.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE, View Post
    So an AMP it is, now get working on the restoration.
    An Amp it is!

    I'm going to blow it apart, completely strip it, repack and replace, and probably leave it bare aluminum.

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    The only thing keeping it from being a rideable bike is the shifters. They aren't wanting to shift with the way the cables are routed through the clamps on the DT. I'm kinda at a loss on what to do with them since it doesn't have cable routes on the TT like the other Amps I've seen........

    Any suggestions? I'd also like to loose the Sram grip shifters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drummerboy1975 View Post
    The only thing keeping it from being a rideable bike is the shifters. They aren't wanting to shift with the way the cables are routed through the clamps on the DT. I'm kinda at a loss on what to do with them since it doesn't have cable routes on the TT like the other Amps I've seen........

    Any suggestions? I'd also like to loose the Sram grip shifters.
    Are you saying both front and rear shifters aren't working correctly. Because I would think your rear shifting should work fine with that cable routing. But the front may be a problem. Maybe the front derailleur is wrong. I would think it should be a bottom pull and not a top pull.
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    I think I just figured it out. I'll post restore pics.

    So this would be a good one to save and bring back?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drummerboy1975 View Post
    I think I just figured it out. I'll post restore pics.

    So this would be a good one to save and bring back?
    Oh definitely, AMP Research played a huge role in early suspension designs. And one that is in all original premium condition is highly sought after in the collector world. You should post this over in the Vintage, Retro, Classic forum. There are many collectors that frequent that forum that I'm sure didn't see this thread.
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    I almost posted this over there but was afraid it wasn't old enough for that section.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drummerboy1975 View Post
    I almost posted this over there but was afraid it wasn't old enough for that section.
    yeah, it's kinda on the line. still, it doesn't seem like there's much good information out there about this bike so that has me wondering how common this particular model year was. It's kinda like with Schwinn and their Homegrowns, though. The line is gone (in a similar timeframe, even), so I think that sorta makes it at least "classic" by default.

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    I'll fun with it during the rebuild and afterwords while tearing through the woods!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drummerboy1975 View Post
    I'll fun with it during the rebuild and afterwords while tearing through the woods!
    that's the important part. you should try to track down some of those AMP disc brakes for it if you can. Not sure if modern standard rotors would fit the calipers, though (finding hubs with the 3 bolt rotor mount would be tough). Though I did see some pics online that looked like you might be able to find an adapter for the AMP caliper to post mount brakes.

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    I'd rather have an original Amp fork. They're funky looking but it's what came on it I believe. Very unique.


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    Here's the closest bike so can find to mine. I say this because of the gussets on the frame and the cable clamps on the DT. Except for the Trails being straight and mine being curved.


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    I'm a frequent flyer over on the vintage board and I think you're missing out if you don't post this over there. There are AMP enthusiasts over there that may be able to help you with finding parts for it. Like that original ultra rare fork.
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    I posted it there a few hours ago but yet to have a hit in it.

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    Those AMP linkage forks appear on evilbay fairly regularly. Heres a frame and fork.

    AMP Research B-3 Full Suspension Aluminum Mountain Bike Frame 90's Deore | eBay

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS View Post
    Those AMP linkage forks appear on evilbay fairly regularly. Heres a frame and fork.

    AMP Research B-3 Full Suspension Aluminum Mountain Bike Frame 90's Deore | eBay
    Wow current bid $181.00 that would be a killer deal for a peace of mountain bike history.
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    pretty sure the one you have came with disc brakes. which explains the clamp-on canti posts.

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    I agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drummerboy1975 View Post
    I agree.
    Here's a thought, you should buy the one on eBay that AZ posted. Switch forks so your bike gets the AMP fork. Then eBay that frame with your fork. Who knows you may end even money wise and end up with a free fork.
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