• 10-04-2008
    Pedalfaraway
    Most overpriced things in Mountain Biking
    I just thought it would be fun to have a thread about things that cost way more then they should. What do you think is the most overpriced item in biking, either in terms or what it is worth, or what it costs to produce vs selling price.
    Here is my top 5.

    1. Stans Sealent. This stuff was like 5 dollars a botle when it frist came out. Now its like 25. Its freaking latex in an oil bottle. Even real oil that had to be drilled out of the ground and refined in like 25% the cost of this stuff. Works good but there is some serious markup there. I bet it cost 1 dollar to make the bottle

    2. Garmin Edge 705. Holy hell I could buy a real computer for the cost of one of these. GPS's for your car are like 1/3 the cost of one of these and they have bigger screens and almost certainly cost about the same to make.

    3. S-works Epic. $8500 are you serious

    4. Gu's, Recovery drinks, bars etc. All of this so called performance food is so expensive considering what you pay for real food. Gu is not that different from syrup or honey either of which you can get a big bottle of for like 5 bucks. A smaller bottle of Hammer Gel costs 25. The individual packs are even crasier.

    5. The last thing that I think cost way more then it should are Helmets. Particually high end ones. 230 dollars for an S-works Helmet. 160 for a Decibel. These are chunks of styrofoam with holes cut in them and a plastic top. I know there are less expensive ones but most are still in the 100 dollar range.

    So those are some of the things I think I way overpriced. Not saying I don't use them or they are not worth it, just thought it would be a fun thread. Seems like bike stuff is just getting way too costly. Its a bike not a Stealth Fighter Jet.

    So what do you think is price gouged.
  • 10-04-2008
    WTB-rider
    Sidi shoes. Great shoes but ridiculously priced.
  • 10-04-2008
    Garlock
    Shimano replacement cranksetplates. A one notch lower crankset costs what 3 plates cost.
    About the expensive helmets, besides protecting you better, they encourage you to not land on your head. So either way, you're still winning.
  • 10-04-2008
    TLL
    list pricing
    X.0 Trigger shifters and X.0 Rear derailleur. XTR is just as bad. $230.
    Fox Forx. Specifically, the Fox 40. $1600.
    Salsa Gordo rims. $100 a pop.
    Crank Bros. Acid-3 pedals. $300?
    Hammerschmidt. $700 plus.
    Ellsworth sells a Ti MTB for $10k
    Ellsworth wheels. $900 for 36 points of engagement. Wow.

    We should do a best bang for the buck thread as well.
  • 10-04-2008
    Pedalfaraway
    Whats a Crankset plate?
    Is that a Chainring. I agree chainrings are way spendy
  • 10-04-2008
    Zoke2
    derailleur hangers ... $25 for about $1 worth of aluminum
    my bike is 2 months old and I'm on my 3rd one

    1st one - when I got the frame the hanger was bent - shop sent me 1 and I bought a spare
    2nd one - tree branch caught it and ripped it off
    3rd one is on there now
  • 10-04-2008
    InvictaS1
    scott genius limited- msrp $13,225.00
    http://scottusa.com/us_en/category/1662/genius
  • 10-04-2008
    Garlock
    How could I forget!? Cassettes!
    You're paying twice the price to shave a few grams when looking at XT and XTR. This happens with most shimano gear.

    Also: Ceramic Rims
    almost 1K for a wheelset that you'll end up trashing like the last one
  • 10-04-2008
    Pedalfaraway
    Yes thats nuts
    A 22 lb 6 inch bike is pretty cool tho. I bet they could sell alot of them for 3000.
  • 10-04-2008
    b4 stealth
    headset installation tools: come on? $150 for a bolt and two washers?
    Bike work stands - again, you can make one for like $60
    Tires - $100 for a full set of Nevegals that wear out in a riding season or two
    Disc Rotors - hayes and high end avids both retail for $45 at my LBS. I could by a new set of BB7's with the rotors I want for $15 more.
    Spoke wrenches - park tool, I am talking to you here :madman:
  • 10-04-2008
    washedup
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Zoke2
    derailleur hangers ... $25 for about $1 worth of aluminum
    my bike is 2 months old and I'm on my 3rd one

    save $$$ and pick better lines
  • 10-04-2008
    JmZ
    Medical costs for broken bones.

    Gas for the road trip.

    JmZ
  • 10-04-2008
    brianthebiker
  • 10-04-2008
    jawndoe
    thats why its called buycycling.
  • 10-04-2008
    brianthebiker
    Almost $300 for a short sleeve jersey.

    http://www.coloradocyclist.com/product/item/ASSWHT48
  • 10-04-2008
    kapusta
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Garlock
    About the expensive helmets, besides protecting you better, they encourage you to not land on your head. So either way, you're still winning.

    Is there any evidence that a more expensive helmet protects your head better?
  • 10-04-2008
    kapusta
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Pedalfaraway

    So what do you think is price gouged.

    A $130 headset.
  • 10-04-2008
    TBarnaby
    Shorts and jerseys...I struggle with the fact they (insert name here) are make a nice utilitarian piece of bike clothing and then put lipstick on it and force us into buying a fashion statement. Then sticking us with $100 for baggy shorts or $80 for a polyester jersey.
  • 10-04-2008
    bankerboy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jawndoe
    thats why its called buycycling.

    :lol: :lol: WINNER :lol: :lol:
  • 10-04-2008
    Ericmopar
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by b4 stealth
    Tires - $100 for a full set of Nevegals that wear out in a riding season or two
    :

    You get a season or two out of your tires? HMMMMMM.

    I get 3 to 6 weeks out of Kendas and about three months out of similar Maxxis tires.
    I ride 2-3 days a week and about 18 miles each ride.

    Still, $80 - $100 for tires. You can buy a whole set of tires for an econo car for about that much.
  • 10-04-2008
    Blatant
    Cool thread. I think nearly everything about mountain biking is ridiculously expensive. I love the hobby, but think about what a typical FS rig goes for. You can easily pick up a good MX or ATV for those prices. Even look at BMX. Granted the bikes aren't FS, but the technology is similar. Somehow BMX stuff is much, much cheaper.
  • 10-04-2008
    mtb_freak2000
    All 2009 bikes. Those prices are insane.
  • 10-04-2008
    greg de taos
    Yea but...
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by InvictaS1
    scott genius limited- msrp $13,225.00
    http://scottusa.com/us_en/category/1662/genius


    Don't you want one? That is the sweetest bike I have ever seen. I don't really care what it costs, I want one.


    WTB saddle- shadow V $165 of pain some plastic and fake leather. what? 25 bucks in parts?

    http://www.wtb.com/products/saddles/racing/shadowv/
  • 10-04-2008
    brianthebiker
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by kapusta
    Is there any evidence that a more expensive helmet protects your head better?


    Actually, there wasa study about 10 years ago which showed that helmets with many vents are actually LESS safer than much cheaper helmets. Makes sense as there are so many openings and so little protection for the noggin.
  • 10-04-2008
    jawndoe
    About Helmets, I wear a cheapie $30 Bell Helmet. If I crash on it, its being replaced with another $30 helmet. Paying $230 for a helmet is like spending $500 on the Rock Racing uniform kit. There are places that sell shirts that are just as good as Bike Jerseys when it comes to moisture wicking and breathabilty properties for much less. If you don't like a $130 headset, well then don't put one on your bike, we aren't holding a gun to your head to do so. $8500 S-Works Epic.. yeah thats pricey but if you don't like the price get a custom Ventana built up, or something cheaper. Just Remember what you are buying. I am pretty sure if you can afford the new Epic, and are seriously considering it then the price might not be such a bad thing. Just realize that the weak dollar has contributed to this situation too. Like I said its Buycycling. One person buys something from the LBS only to have it cycled down to another user later. It sucks but sometimes if you need to have "The Best" you have to pay the costs associated with "The Best". If you want quality and want to keep money in your wallet get what you want used, or New Old Stock.

    Funny someone mentioned Stan's... yesterday I went to the LBS to pick some up and the mechanic said goto the hardware store and get some liquid latex and a bit of silica sand. Yeah he knew it was a rip off too. But you know what I am will to pay for it, because I don't use THAT much Stan's. Having two wheelsets helps.

    Look a brand new Ferrari isn't cheap either. But I can get a used one for 20k if I look around.
  • 10-04-2008
    robc in wi
    As someone who just purchased a decent used FS bike and looking at upgrades I am stunned at how pricey some of this stuff is. I can remember when $100 was a lot for a saddle and I recently visited a website (mtb and road) and they had 2 pages of saddles ranging from $150-$500. High end cranksets for $500? $200 shifters? I'm willing to go middle of the road for slightly heavier but just as reliable stuff. Ebay is looking pretty good at this point.
  • 10-04-2008
    bigpedaler
    Fox forks -- ridiculous! $800? Are you guys on drugs, is that why they're so much?!?
    Rock Shox forks aren't too far behind, either!
    Cane Creek in general is about 50% overpriced....
    Ellsworth, Intense, Litespeed, Merlin, Scott -- Joe Six-Pack can only look at these!
    X.0, yeah...ouch. XTR isn't even worth my time....
    $80-$100 jersey, shorts,...please.

    'Course, the online places love me anyway, cuz I help them get rid of their old stuff; I WILL NOT spend more than $300 for a fork, $50 for a jersey/shorts/helmet, and only because I demand 3-strap will I go over $50 for shoes. LOVE stuff like X.9, 90% of the perf for 45% of the price. Oh, and these $700+ wheelsets, yeah right. For $300, I can have all the strength I need.
  • 10-04-2008
    Hooked
    Lights are too expensive. I would love to ride at night but I would not like to pay 2-300 dollars just to do so safely.
  • 10-04-2008
    jugdish
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Hooked
    Lights are too expensive... but I would not like to pay 2-300 dollars just to do so safely.

    No, they're worth it. They open up a completely different part of riding. And yes, the price is worth (safety is being safelt lit:)) it also once you're stylin' w/ a sweet system @ night.

    Over pridced? The amount of $ the average noob thinks they have to spend to get out and enjoy trails. What can't you put a price on? Fitness.
  • 10-04-2008
    Thimk
    Wipperman's $500 Ti chain.
  • 10-04-2008
    tech_dog
    ceramic bearings for $90/pair? Come on... they're little balls...
  • 10-04-2008
    jrcxu
    any glasses over $20
  • 10-04-2008
    Lumbee1
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jugdish
    No, they're worth it. They open up a completely different part of riding. And yes, the price is worth (safety is being safelt lit:)) it also once you're stylin' w/ a sweet system @ night.

    Over pridced? The amount of $ the average noob thinks they have to spend to get out and enjoy trails. What can't you put a price on? Fitness.

    LED lights are absolutely overpriced.
    $10 LED
    $10 electronics
    $10 wiring
    $40 battery
    $10 housing
    $100 profit

    I built my own and have twice the performance at half the price of most commercial LED lighting systems.

    I am planning on building another light that will be even 2/3rds brighter and a half the cost of my current lights.
  • 10-04-2008
    Pedalfaraway
    Great reply
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tech_dog
    ceramic bearings for $90/pair? Come on... they're little balls...

    I love this thread its making me laugh.
  • 10-04-2008
    Thimk
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Garlock
    How could I forget!? Cassettes!
    You're paying twice the price to shave a few grams when looking at XT and XTR. This happens with most shimano gear.

    Also: Ceramic Rims
    almost 1K for a wheelset that you'll end up trashing like the last one

    I don't know. Ti on that XTR is pretty nice.
  • 10-05-2008
    Jwiffle
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Thimk
    Wipperman's $500 Ti chain.

    But come on, you save 30 grams, and don't get any better shifting!
  • 10-05-2008
    munsonbw
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Hooked
    Lights are too expensive. I would love to ride at night but I would not like to pay 2-300 dollars just to do so safely.

    It absolutely is highway robbery. http://forums.roadbikereview.com/sho...+light+project Some guys came up with his own design using a halogen flood lamp for landscaping and housed it in a PVC cap. The batteries can be readily purchased already in waterbottles for a reasonable price. I think for a light equivalent to the 2-300 jobs, these cost about $60-80 depending on the battery.
  • 10-05-2008
    Fogerson
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Lumbee1
    LED lights are absolutely overpriced.
    $10 LED
    $10 electronics
    $10 wiring
    $40 battery
    $10 housing
    $100 profit

    You forgot costs to engineer, manufacture/assemble, ship, stock, sell, support, advertise, pay taxes, facilities, just to name a few. Unless a company publishes its gross and net margins on a product/product line, there is really no way estimate how much profit/loss they're making on something unless you know the company's operations OR have experience in the industry...you just can't add up what you think each component costs.

    Interesting thread. Products that are "overpriced" are for one of two reasons: the cost to get those products on the shelf are high OR there are enough people out there who will pay those prices for the product. Though in some cases, costs are high and few will buy it, yet the product sticks around as a marketing tool to help with sales of lower-end products.

    The great thing is that if you consider a product overpriced, you don't have to buy it. If you do anyway, you're doing your part to help make sure it stays overpriced.

    I, personally, have a disease and will do silly things like pay four figures for a frame, or pay more for a set of brakes than my last mountain bike cost, or ... lust trumps value way to often in my biking world... which is okay 'cause there are plenty of reasonably priced products out there that will get the job done just fine for those w/o the disease or means.
  • 10-05-2008
    f3rg
    CamelBak bladder: $30
    Crank Bros. headsets

    Also, I don't understand how a carbon saddle with thin leather padding can cost $150, while the same model without any covering at all will cost nearly twice as much.
  • 10-05-2008
    crazylax42
    some tires...the ones I use cost more than my 70,000 mile car tires!

    seatposts...a decent one is $50 on up for a relatively small tube with hardly any shaping until the clamp. c'mon.

    saddles, as mentioned above

    Roof racks (lookin at you Thule!)
  • 10-05-2008
    Thinkly
    Thomson seatposts. ANY bike over $1000 or wheelset over $300.HID bike lights and a lot of the LED bike lights.
  • 10-05-2008
    Managuense
    Shimano master pins.
  • 10-05-2008
    Cypher32x
    The reason bike parts are so high is because of SPECULATORS!!! :D

    325.00 for a front or rear brake is ridiculous.
  • 10-05-2008
    bankofdad
    Anything thats has Cannondale on it

    Tubeless tires
  • 10-05-2008
    frdfandc
    I dunno. I guess I think that bike parts are cheap compared to what I used to do. Drag Racing. I had over $17,000 in parts for my race car, and it wasn't even running.

    But I do agree that the $130 for headsets or $1000 for a wheel set is retarded.
  • 10-05-2008
    dmcgoy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Cypher32x
    The reason bike parts are so high is because of SPECULATORS!!! :D

    325.00 for a front or rear brake is ridiculous.

    No! The short sellers are to blame!
  • 10-05-2008
    Kcnflman
    But sheesh, those jersey's even make the manequin look HOT!
  • 10-05-2008
    ArmySlowRdr
    well I didn't read all this BUT everything is over-priced -- really noticable in the bike and fast food arenas as late.i think gloves are terribly over priced--if I had to pick just one item, that would be the thing.
  • 10-05-2008
    sgltrak
    Disc brake pads. I can a get a set of 4 disc brake pads for my truck for about half of what pads cost for one wheel on one of my bikes.
  • 10-05-2008
    Rod
    GREASE!!!!!! It's amazing the price of "water-proof" grease for bikes. I bought some grease for a boat trailer's wheel bearings instead and I got more grease for A LOT less. Everything in this sport seems to be expensive. Oil for bike chains. Pedros, Park, all of them. You can buy a gallon of chainsaw chain oil for 5 bucks anywhere. You get a few ounces for 5 dollars if it's bike specific. There's also special tools for everything. Speaking of special tools park tools are WAY too expensive. I can buy an entire set that has a life time warranty and have 2 bucks left over instead of buying 1 park allen wrench. There's so many things it's just obsurd.
  • 10-05-2008
    mrfoxy76
    a point i feel alot of people are missing is how much enjoyment do you get out of biking?

    personally I cannot put a price on going out early in the morning, tearing up some fast singletrack for an hour or two puts me in an awesome frame of mind for the rest of the day.

    for that I will pay top dollar to achieve this on a well manufactured/kitted out bike.
  • 10-05-2008
    Rod
    The guy above was right about brake pads. A new rotor costs less than bb7 replacement pads. 20 dollars for 2 tiny brake pads that you don't need tools to install. The prices on some of these items amaze me. I need new brake pads so I can't avoid not paying 20 bucks. Therefore, they can set whatever price they believe is fair. You also have to keep in mind that there's not a lot of cyclists as compared to motorists so it's unfair to compare the price of cycling replacement parts to cars. Just wanted to put that out there.
  • 10-05-2008
    ddraewwg
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Ericmopar
    You get a season or two out of your tires? HMMMMMM.

    I get 3 to 6 weeks out of Kendas and about three months out of similar Maxxis tires.
    I ride 2-3 days a week and about 18 miles each ride.

    Still, $80 - $100 for tires. You can buy a whole set of tires for an econo car for about that much.


    300 mi on a set of tires!!! :eekster: At first I thought that just couldn't be right.....then I saw where you ride. Bootleg canyon.
  • 10-05-2008
    Lumbee1
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Rod
    GREASE!!!!!! It's amazing the price of "water-proof" grease for bikes. I bought some grease for a boat trailer's wheel bearings instead and I got more grease for A LOT less. Everything in this sport seems to be expensive. Oil for bike chains. Pedros, Park, all of them. You can buy a gallon of chainsaw chain oil for 5 bucks anywhere. You get a few ounces for 5 dollars if it's bike specific. There's also special tools for everything. Speaking of special tools park tools are WAY too expensive. I can buy an entire set that has a life time warranty and have 2 bucks left over instead of buying 1 park allen wrench. There's so many things it's just obsurd.

    According to Fogerson:
    Quote:

    You forgot costs to engineer, manufacture/assemble, ship, stock, sell, support, advertise, pay taxes, facilities, just to name a few. Unless a company publishes its gross and net margins on a product/product line, there is really no way estimate how much profit/loss they're making on something unless you know the company's operations OR have experience in the industry...you just can't add up what you think each component costs.
    Repackaging grease COSTS money and man hours. Those little bottles are expensive.
  • 10-05-2008
    mikeeeeeee
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mrfoxy76
    a point i feel alot of people are missing is how much enjoyment do you get out of biking?

    personally I cannot put a price on going out early in the morning, tearing up some fast singletrack for an hour or two puts me in an awesome frame of mind for the rest of the day.

    for that I will pay top dollar to achieve this on a well manufactured/kitted out bike.

    some people don't like the idea that biking could (and in some areas should) cost a lot less for the same thing. what if you started getting gouged at your favorite restaurant? sure you'd probably still go there and enjoy it, but it shouldnt cost so much.


    also, i really agree on the repackaged oils and lubricants.
  • 10-06-2008
    schro31185
    "cylcling specific" tools. It even bugs me that when you look at pedals online, the site suggests buying a $15 "pedal wrench" from them as well so you can put them on. For $15 you can get a set of wrenches that are actually of much higher quality IMO. Of course you cant get a cassette tool, or BB tool at your local home improvement store.

    Saddles. $180 for a piece of plastic covered in thin foam and leather, with 2 rods? But thats most high end components. I guess the price is even higher because there are so few produced as compared to lower end products.
  • 10-06-2008
    kapusta
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by schro31185
    "cylcling specific" tools. It even bugs me that when you look at pedals online, the site suggests buying a $15 "pedal wrench" from them as well so you can put them on. For $15 you can get a set of wrenches that are actually of much higher quality IMO. Of course you cant get a cassette tool, or BB tool at your local home improvement store.
    .

    Keep in mind though that for some pedals you will need a thinner wrench than is standard. Not a big deal if you have a grinder.
  • 10-06-2008
    kapusta
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Rod
    GREASE!!!!!! It's amazing the price of "water-proof" grease for bikes. I bought some grease for a boat trailer's wheel bearings instead and I got more grease for A LOT less. Everything in this sport seems to be expensive. Oil for bike chains. Pedros, Park, all of them. You can buy a gallon of chainsaw chain oil for 5 bucks anywhere. You get a few ounces for 5 dollars if it's bike specific. There's also special tools for everything. Speaking of special tools park tools are WAY too expensive. I can buy an entire set that has a life time warranty and have 2 bucks left over instead of buying 1 park allen wrench. There's so many things it's just obsurd.

    What are some non-biking alternatives to some of the "dry" lubes like pro-link, white lightning, boeshield, etc.?
  • 10-06-2008
    Husker21
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jrcxu
    any glasses over $20

    i learned this lesson from paddling my kayak. no sense in buying a high end pair for paddling or biking.
  • 10-06-2008
    bitflogger
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Rod
    GREASE!!!!!! It's amazing the price of "water-proof" grease for bikes. I bought some grease for a boat trailer's wheel bearings instead and I got more grease for A LOT less. Everything in this sport seems to be expensive. Oil for bike chains. Pedros, Park, all of them. You can buy a gallon of chainsaw chain oil for 5 bucks anywhere. You get a few ounces for 5 dollars if it's bike specific. There's also special tools for everything. Speaking of special tools park tools are WAY too expensive. I can buy an entire set that has a life time warranty and have 2 bucks left over instead of buying 1 park allen wrench. There's so many things it's just obsurd.

    Lubriplate grease and a Dualco dispenser are dirt cheap compared to the bike brands. Some just re-sell the Dualco guns and Lubriplate is available through industrial supply companies.
  • 10-06-2008
    ScottWatkins
    A lot of this stuff comes from China or Taiwan where an 8 year old chained in a cave is making it. Like tires, the company has about $2 in it ant then sells it for $50. I'm cool with you making a profit but that much is ridiculous.
  • 10-06-2008
    bitflogger
    I am sure it's the marketing and branding costs, but many of the big name clothing companies are a joke. My Mt. Borah baggie type shorts are my best by far and they are made in WI, USA and sell for less money than Fox, Oakley, Pearl and REI house brand. I will buy more of them because I have not heard any news about slave labor in western WI.
  • 10-06-2008
    Roswell52
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by InvictaS1
    scott genius limited- msrp $13,225.00
    http://scottusa.com/us_en/category/1662/genius

    Appropriately named. Your "genius" would have to be "limited" to pay that much for a bike. :)

    I just love their eloquent marketing hype....what is "overworked geometry"?
  • 10-06-2008
    bankerboy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by dmcgoy
    No! The short sellers are to blame!

    No, no, you have it all wrong. :nono:

    It is the lack of regulation and oversight that has caused this mess.

    I say we get congress to create the 2008 Bicycle Uniformly Levied Cost Reduction Plan. From this point forward we can use the 2008 BULCRP to help keep costs down so everybody can afford everything.

    We don't want anybody to feel left out. We are all winners and there are no losers. BULCRP will help everybody. :D
  • 10-06-2008
    Bordershy
    Everybody is getting there cut
    Tires.....$50 for one?please

    Cassettes.....If your going to rape me, bring back a high end 8 speed please.

    Shimano Mineral Oil......$15-20 for 50ml? Do the math for a gallon of the stuff.

    ANY SINGLE CROWN FORK THAT APPROACHES $1000

    Bling Bling wheelsets.
  • 10-06-2008
    spcarter
    some wheel sets are worth it, like the I-9 ones. If you think they're overpriced think how much it costs to pay a machinist to put 18hrs in making one. The biggest difference in cost I've noticed is the jump from x-9 to x-o, xt to xtr, etc. I those your only paying for the weight lose and if you look at the price per gram it seems rediculous but if you really race its worth it. It's all about recognizing what you really need and buying that because I'm pretty sure most people (myself included) only need lx level stuff and compare that to the cost of the xtr components everybody buys. I know, I want the xtr stuff too but is it really worth the coin... no.
  • 10-06-2008
    jawndoe
    So to everyone that thinks that cycling products are over priced...

    Want to start a new company then? If you think products can be cheaper cause they are just repacked then lets have a new line to exhibit at interbike next year at the first time area!
  • 10-06-2008
    mojo722
    Everything sold by Jeff Jones!
  • 10-06-2008
    ScottWatkins
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jawndoe
    So to everyone that thinks that cycling products are over priced...

    Want to start a new company then? If you think products can be cheaper cause they are just repacked then lets have a new line to exhibit at interbike next year at the first time area!

    If you could front me a couple of mil, I'll guarantee you that I could do it cheaper. I have been machining metal for almost 20 years now, I KNOW all kinds of CAD/CAM programs and have several CNC machines at my disposal. We could start today.

    I don't have the funds to start a shop. However, I have made many parts for my bikes, motorcycles and other vehicles, even guns. I think that with your money, we would do real good. I keep all of my Soildworks files so we have a big head start on the engineering side.

    Scott.
  • 10-06-2008
    jawndoe
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ScottWatkins
    If you could front me a couple of mil, I'll guarantee you that I could do it cheaper. I have been machining metal for almost 20 years now, I KNOW all kinds of CAD/CAM programs and have several CNC machines at my disposal. We could start today.

    I don't have the funds to start a shop. However, I have made many parts for my bikes, motorcycles and other vehicles, even guns. I think that with your money, we would do real good. I keep all of my Soildworks files so we have a big head start on the engineering side.

    Scott.

    If I had a couple of mil... My neighbor is a materials scientist btw. So we could potentially make more advanced products too... Ok so we need tne BULCRP bill passed immediately!
  • 10-06-2008
    cruiserman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Hooked
    Lights are too expensive. I would love to ride at night but I would not like to pay 2-300 dollars just to do so safely.

    Sadly, that's cheap. $500 for Li-ion
  • 10-06-2008
    Jim311
    I think those C02 cartriges they sell at the LBS are absurd. If people knew you could buy a box of 25 of them for an air gun at Walmart nobody in their right mind would pay 8 bucks for a 2 pack!
  • 10-06-2008
    Walt Dizzy
    What's the quickest path to $1 million dollars?
    Invest $2 million dollars into a bicycle-related business.

    Walt
  • 10-06-2008
    ArmySlowRdr
    yes Yes YES. Exactly. When I ride which isnt more than once or twice a week, I want it to be the best experience possible. I don't mind spending a bit. For example I have an edge, ; I've used it maybe 80 times--bingo that's 3$ or more per ride for just ONE item.

    But all very worth it.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mrfoxy76
    a point i feel alot of people are missing is how much enjoyment do you get out of biking?

    personally I cannot put a price on going out early in the morning, tearing up some fast singletrack for an hour or two puts me in an awesome frame of mind for the rest of the day.

    for that I will pay top dollar to achieve this on a well manufactured/kitted out bike.

  • 10-06-2008
    HSCoach2
    This reminds me of a thread I started about a year ago.

    http://forums.mtbr.com/eastern-canada/rant-about-cost-mountain-biking-400280.html
  • 10-06-2008
    brokenchain
    I dont know if anyone has mentioned them but...
    Headset spacers are way to expensive. $2 to $10 a pieces for a little aluminum ring.
    Crazy.
    John
  • 10-06-2008
    bigpedaler
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by kapusta
    What are some non-biking alternatives to some of the "dry" lubes like pro-link, white lightning, boeshield, etc.?

    Liquid Wrench makes a spray-on dry lube. Less than $5 for a spray can, about 13-14 oz.
  • 10-06-2008
    BlueDog03
    Just looking for some single speed parts and came across this.

    http://cgi.ebay.com/Paul-Component-Powerglide-409-Rasta-Derailleur-set-NEW_W0QQitemZ160289505800QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item1 60289505800&_trkparms=39%3A1|66%3A2|65%3A1|240%3A1 318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

    current bid is $1,199 for both front and rear D.
    I have to admit, they do look really cool and really custom.
  • 10-07-2008
    Whirl
    Regarding drinks and energy supplements. Bottles of gatorade about $0.97 where i work, and nutrition/powerbars are like $1-2. Is more then that really needed? Maybe I just don't go hardcore enough lol.

    On the helmet thing, i have a $15 schwinn helmet from target. It is comfortable and has never failed me (though admittedly i have never landed fully on it but hey for now its good)

    Now if you want to talk actual bike parts, it's pretty much all overpriced imo.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mrfoxy76
    a point i feel a lot of people are missing is how much enjoyment do you get out of biking?

    personally I cannot put a price on going out early in the morning, tearing up some fast singletrack for an hour or two puts me in an awesome frame of mind for the rest of the day.

    for that I will pay top dollar to achieve this on a well manufactured/kitted out bike.

    I see your point, but you can still do that on a $50 bike or a $8000 one :thumbsup: I know the differences are huge, just pointing out.
  • 10-07-2008
    saturnine
    bike tires cost as much as car tires
  • 10-07-2008
    tahj33
    Tubeless tires for $100+ a pair? I bet there's some element of price fixing going on.

    I could understand certain things being expensive due to licensing fees to the patent holder but prices are just getting ridiculous. The funniest part is that most of these components are imported from Asia where the cost of labour is very low and counterfeiting is rampant.
  • 10-07-2008
    elder_mtber
    Interesting and fun thread.

    I'll add jerseys.

    Terry
  • 10-07-2008
    jonny427
    Fox forks are definitely overpriced. I can't believe I just dropped $800 on one...
  • 10-07-2008
    onbelaydave
    Another vote for tubeless tires
    I can buy a pair of tires for my Civic for less than my bike.

    Helmets are up there too.



    Aside from that I ride in C9 brand shirts, about $6 when on sale. Why pay someone else to be a neon sign advertising their goods ?

    I stock up on Clif bars when they're on sale for $0.75.

    I use my 2-3 times annual REI 20% off coupon for shorts, tools and parts, and combined w/ my REI Visa cash back to dividend, that I use for everything, I have an almost unlimited "account" w/ them.
  • 10-07-2008
    aries14
    Sidi Shoes
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by WTB-rider
    Sidi shoes. Great shoes but ridiculously priced.

    I 2nd the price of Sidi. I just got a pair this past summer. I used a discount from Price Point, and all my points and still paid over $100.00 for them.

    Good Shoe, but costly....
  • 10-07-2008
    aries14
    Helmets
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by kapusta
    Is there any evidence that a more expensive helmet protects your head better?

    Companies that sell helmets for as much as $230.00 can afford a little research and results.... So of course their products will come out looking good. Overall, I think we pay to much for a lot of stuff in this sport, but because we love it, we pay the cost....
  • 10-08-2008
    Bikinfoolferlife
    Perhaps if more people got involved in the sport some prices might come down, but I'm not going to hold my breath. I did just run across a $310 chainring in doing a search (a 36t 110bcd carbon and ti chainring), while not really a mountain bike chainring, it could be...

    Do you think that if we applied the old adage "build it and they will come" to singletrack we could convince the government to do so on the basis of both the current economic meltdown (subsidies for US built bikes, market growing due to oil crisis type reasoning) and medical crisis (cyclists are healthier, help reduce govt healthcare costs). That could do wonders for adding more people to the sport....and if it didn't work out a lot more trail! I think I need to go make coffee or something...
  • 10-08-2008
    Madferrett
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jawndoe
    So to everyone that thinks that cycling products are over priced...

    Want to start a new company then? If you think products can be cheaper cause they are just repacked then lets have a new line to exhibit at interbike next year at the first time area!

    http://www.bbbparts.com/

    Low-cost, high-quality parts. I bought one of their headsets for my Santa Cruz Blur with thoughts of later replacing it with a Chris King. When I opened the box, I was greeted by a very lightweight headset, with sealed bearings. I think I paid like $35 for it and it is buttery smooth. I have looked into their other parts and they seem to have a philosophy of cheap, well-made products.
  • 10-08-2008
    venom600
    derailleur hangers

    There's no reason that little piece of aluminum should cost $25, or even $15.
  • 10-08-2008
    nuggets
    If these bike company's profits start to decline they'll be looking to the feds for a bailout!
  • 10-08-2008
    kapusta
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by nuggets
    If these bike company's profits start to decline they'll be looking to the feds for a bailout!

    It will be a rescue, not a bailout. The government will buy up all the worthless bikes.
  • 10-09-2008
    Pooh Bear
    Overpriced? I'd say tires as most people do in here.

    Some front hubs are overpriced. (About rear hubs I won't say a thing, because you have a lot of engineering in pawl systems and the like.)
  • 10-09-2008
    mtbne1
    Helmet Gripe
    How come most of the helmet manufacturers don't sell replacement pads! I blow through pads in a year of riding and either have to improvise or buy a new helmet. :madmax: And yes...helmet costs are too high although I'm sure we are all paying the price of all those bogus products liability lawsuits brought by those who have crashed....:yikes:
  • 10-09-2008
    SimonMW
    Its our fault a lot of stuff costs so much. If nobody bought any of it they'd have to reduce the prices.

    Most of the sealed cable systems are way overpriced. Ergon grips are overpriced.

    Most things are overpriced considering how popular cycling is and the sheer volume of manufacture of most items.
  • 10-09-2008
    Gingerdawg
    BEER! The after ride beverage of choice is way overpriced. What, it's just a little water and some barley and hops.......:p
  • 10-09-2008
    V.P.
    derailleur hangers!! comeon!! its a very small farking piece of metal.
  • 10-09-2008
    burtronix
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Lumbee1
    LED lights are absolutely overpriced.
    $10 LED
    $10 electronics
    $10 wiring
    $40 battery
    $10 housing
    $100 profit

    I built my own and have twice the performance at half the price of most commercial LED lighting systems.

    I am planning on building another light that will be even 2/3rds brighter and a half the cost of my current lights.

    No doubt, they are overpriced, & if you can make a better one yourself cheaper - more power to you. But you only covered material cost. Here are some other items for your list:

    Manufacturer's labor cost, building rent or purchase & maintenance, equipment cost & maintenance, & insurance of all sorts, Then there's development, warranty, & all sorts of administrative costs. Don't forget taxes & other government fees, plus everybody they need to hire to make sure their in compliance with all safety & envoronmental regulations. Oh yeah - the lawyers - can't leave out the lawyers :madmax: :madman:

    Then you get a similar list for the distributor & reseller (LBS or online). Add transportation cost somewhere. Then everybody in the supply chain gets a piece of the profit - some more than others & it probably isn't a fair distribution either.

    On the other hand - volume purchasing can reduce the material cost quite a bit.

    I'd like to upgrade the fork on my entry-level hardtail, but to get a decent fork with a little bit of adjustable damping costs more than my whole bike originally did. Forget it - I'll save up a couple more years & upgrade the whole bike instead - unless the bottom continues to drop out of the economy. In that case I'll just save.
  • 10-09-2008
    WorldWind
    The most expencive thing in Mtn biking is the air lift out and the catscan.
  • 10-09-2008
    elder_mtber
    Yup, der hangers. I've been running Giants (NRS, Trance, TranceX) and the LBS used to charge $10. I thought, "not cheap, but OK." Now TranceX is $15.

    But my LBS usually has one in stock.

    I carry one in my back pack. Maybe once a year I use it out of the pack and on the trail.

    Best wishes to everyone,
    Terry
  • 10-09-2008
    wormvine
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mtbne1
    How come most of the helmet manufacturers don't sell replacement pads! I blow through pads in a year of riding and either have to improvise or buy a new helmet. :madmax: And yes...helmet costs are too high although I'm sure we are all paying the price of all those bogus products liability lawsuits brought by those who have crashed....:yikes:


    I have a Bell helmet and they sent me a set of replacement pads for free.